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@Greyparrot
Demand for workers is a good thing...it causes low unemployment and high wages.Broken windows does not cause these things.
Yeah and gives jobs to poorer people who want to work.
Lets see do we know any poor people want to work?
Oh yeah the immigrans whose numbers have been declining for years.
Trumpanzees are in denial of the facts/truths.
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@Swagnarok
He should be asking for FBI investigation for sexual claims alledged against him.
He could also be asking for poloygraph test.
He does not do that. Why? Because he and his good drinking buddy Mark Judge would be put under oath.
We can only pray 2 republicans senators have the moral courage and integrity to deny kavenaugh to sit on supreme court, because they believe Mrs Ford as most people who have watched her believe here.
Kavenaugh and Graham follow in Trumpanzees footsteps so were getting alot of pissy men pissing off in public. Sad :--(
I wouldnt believe tKavenaugh any further than I can throw that cry-baby pissy idio-ump.
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@3RU7AL
It would seem that mustardness believes his opinion about what may or may not exist beyond our epistemological limits is FACT (quanta).
No, you misleading and misguided yet again. I will tolerate you mischaracterziation of what I have stated in another thread and differrent issue.
What you say above is false. Please place you ego to the side and attempt to play fair.
Quanta, either as fermions or bosons is a fact if they exist. The theoretical physicists claimed mesons should exist via mathematical deduction and Feynman yells out from back of room, .....'in a pigs eye'...and then couple of years later, mesons were observed to exist. Thank you Mr Feynman you may sit down now.
Quanta become fact of human observationwhen we observe them to exist. Photons have always existed long before humans observed them to exist.
It would seem that mustardness believes his opinion (characterization) of my attempts to communicate with them is also FACT (quanta).
Youve lost me here but if its in context of some other thread then address your concerns there.
It would seem that mustardness is conflating qualia with quanta.
Please quote my specific comments when Ive done that with you. You have not.
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@keithprosser
Which leads to the question of what is 'a desire'?.
Genetic programming ergo desire is reduced to cause, effect and resultants.
We have genetic programming vs Artificial Programming { AI } via a genetically programmed programmar
Computers algorithmic programming aka AI, is so much less inclusive of a broader range ---generalization--- of considerations we call context, that a human nervous system may consider and we call intuition.
Computers best intuition abilities is to run a huge number of programmed --programmed to learn-- alternative possibilities to what is stated, or typed to arrive at a word, or words of what the user may have intended.
Greater degrees of access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts inherently means greater degrees of any alledged degrees of free will.
Animals degree of access is much less but non-existent.
It is all a matter of degree and it is all a matter of programming, genetic or artificial { derived from greater degree of access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept access }
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@3RU7AL
My point this entire time has been that NOBODY can say what may or may not exist beyond our ability to observe.
You have not had any succinct point. Yes we can say and even you can say what exists beyond what you finally conceded.
You can say via rational, logical common sense deduction of a eternally existent, occupied space Universe, is macro-infinite non-occupied space. Why you cant say that is a rational, logical common sense deduction/conclusion, is because of your ego.
Read my lips/text. Your ego will not allow you to state the obvious conclusion. At least with Outplayz we can allow some confusion on his part.
Not on your part. His ego keeps him in check also.
This is called an epistemological limit.
You can talk about logic and common sense and past conversations and ego all day and all night and it doesn't make a lick of difference.
Doesnt matter what ego based mind games you want to play, there is only one rational, logical common sense conclusion and your ego will not allow you to concede that truth, nor will your ego allow you to state that conclusion.
I'm practicing rational, logical common sense pathways of thought. Your the one is just talking about them.
Place your ego to the side and actually show some spinal chord and practice rational, logical common sense pathways of thought, not just talk about them.
You did that when you conceded to a finite, occupied space Universe. If it is finite, then what exists outside of it Bru7al? C,mon dude, have some spinal chord give a rational, logical common sense deductive ---or whatever--- conclusion to the presumotion of a finite, occupied space Universe.
You cannot violate our epistemological limits.
I never stated I was violating anything.
I'm practicing rational, logical common sense pathways of thought, and that is not being violated.
What is being violated your ability to play, by allowing your ego to practice mind game ways to not concede to what is an obvious, rational, logical common sense conclusions made by rational, logical common sense humans.
And before you start ()()()()()()()() all over the place, please take a minute to learn the definition of syllogism.
Yeah, Ive repeated stated my conclusion deduced via rational, logical common sense pathway and your ego keeps you from acknowledging that truth.
You could, and as all others who are not mentally confused, and those who do not allow their ego to put mental mind game road blocks into place, will arrive at same conclusion.
You or none others can state the obvious deductive conclusion, because your ego will not allow you to concede those truths. Go figure, as I have.
Its your ego that refuses rational, logical common sense pathways of thought and their conclusions, deductive or otherwise.
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@3RU7AL
You have guessed correctly.
My guesses are basd on observations and rational, logical common sense conclusions that you dismiss with out rational logical common sense.
You above was in regards to your attempting to correlate as synonyms or whatever, that macro-infinite non-occupied space is same as your nomenua{SP}.
You dismiss and disrespect my rational, logical and common sense reply by not including my comments regarding silence. WHy?
Because your ego is on the line here. You dont want to play fair with me.
Your ego does not allow to address that facts that silence is a similar analogy to macro-infinite non-occupied space. Neither have a frequency/wave/vibration yet you refuse ackowledge and accept that silence exists and will not concede to my comments as stated, that,
2} eternally existent macro-infinite non-occupied space also exists an embraces/surrounds the following,
3} our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
You refuse to enter into a more complete discourse of my comments as state because you ego is on the line. You fear loss of you ego.
We observe and you concede partially, that we live in a eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, yet your ego will not allow you to go further in the lines of rational, logical common sense pathways of thought that ive repeated stated.
Your hope, like some others, is to cause mustard frustration. Duh yeah that definity works.
You hope, like some others, you and avoid placing you ego to the side and concede rational, logical common sense givens Ive presented repeatedly to you. Ego is steering your boat is away from truths and deduced from rational, logical common sense pathways of thought.
C'mon Bru, place you ego to the side and engage in fair play not hide and seek dodge ball.
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@3RU7AL
You lost me here. What case what point?Case in point.
Differrent issue and differrent context and personal issue with you, that we can address there in that thread.
And I'm certainly not the only person you have conversed or that I have converse, with that ywe would want to make any similar accusations just as my 1, 2, 3 was not specific to you but many that includes you.
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@3RU7AL
It is difficult to treat someone charitably if they are trying to kill you or trample your rights.
1} And/or they keep reposting irrational, illogical lack of common sense statements, and offer no shred of rational, logical common sense to support if not validate their conclusions.
2} And/or if they keep denying obvious rational, logical common sense pathways that validate truth and invalidate non-truths/lies.
3} And/or they refuse to address our comments as stated, or create misleading statements that do no reflect what was actually stated.
4} ?
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@Greyparrot
Immigration been lower and lower for years.
Demand for needed worker is as great or greater than ever.
What jobs needs to be accomplished in USA and other countries is greater than ever.
Who ever thinks there is no demand for workers or no need and living in fantasy land of denial.
Pretty much those 62 million Trumpanzees who voted for idio-ump
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@Buddamoose
Trump isn't as hotheaded like people make it out to be.
You obviously did not see him getting question by reporters yesterday over 20 - 30 minute period. He was pissed.
I was amazed he went on for as long as he did answering questions.
Your in denial of his hothead ways. Typical Trumpanzee attitude. Sad :--(
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RNA-DNA { molecular } coding > egg > progeny
Abiogenesis follows the following way;
quantum > atoms > molecules > precursor to RNA-DNA > egg > progeny.
Occupied space poofing into existence, from where before all that existed only macro-infinite non-occupied space is irrational, illogical and lacks common sense.
Full blown adult human{s} --ex adam and eve-- poofing into existence from where before, in sum-total, finite Universe, no non-biologic life existed, is irrational, illogical and lack of common sense.
The RNA-DNA coding does seem more feasibly possible in a finite Universe that contains exotic black hole phenomena i.e. cosmic egg that contains RNA-DNA coding i.e. some specific, patterened set of occupied space, infomation bits { quanta }.
Which came first, black hole phenomena or RNA-DNA coding ?
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@3RU7AL
If the macro-infinite-non-occupied-space embraces/surrounds the finite-occupied-space, [Universe] how can you maintain your protest that the finite is not contained within the infinite?
I explained that and you did read my lips/text so I have to keep repeating to a seemingly deaf brain.
Containers are finite. And I repeat yet again, containers are finite and have integrity Ex a milk carton contains mile i.e. the integrity of the milk carton does not allow the milk to spill out.
Macro-infinite, non-occupied space embraces/surrounds and has no finite integrity ergo it is not a container. Even if we were to accept that terminology ---ergo play your mind game in those regards--- is irrelevant to whether or not macro-infinite non-occupied space exists outside of our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
Your the one who does all the dodging with terminological mind games, so as to avoid/diverge from the rational, logical common sense conclusions presented to you and your ego putting in place mental blockages to my conclusions.
[I agree with finite and occupied but not eternal].
So you finally have come to a conclusion and embed in with quoted my repl text. More mind game play.
So you agree with finite and occupied, but you do not say what you believe is finite and occupied. Your embedded bold following my text suggests we should infer your comments are in regards to Universe.
So Bru, you believe we live in a finite, occupied space Universe? Yes?
Great, it was like pulling wisdom teeth but finally were getting you to concede what Ive been repeatedly stating in DDO and DArt to you and others.
What Ive also asked you repeatedly, and you did not answer, is what exists outside of our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe?
Are you finally going to address my question posed to you above?
...."And while you're at it, please explain what makes you think there is a macro-infinite-non-occupied-space."...
Ive answered that question, many times before you even ask it and/or if you asked elsewhere. Open your closed mind and read my lips/text. Can you do that this time?
If we live in an eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, then there can be only one rational, logical common sense conclusion, that what exists outside of the eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, is macro-infinite, non-occupied space. Yes? No?
Stat clearly what you believe and please do not embed in bold with my reply text. And if you want to leave out the word 'eternal' is fine by me. I just want you to commit with a clearly stated answer. Yes I want control just as you or others want control.
And just as Ive asked you previously I will repeat and ask you once again, if my conclusion above is not correct then supply us with the correct answer? You have never ever done that, except maybe once at DDO you conceded to my conclusion here above.
Eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, because, if not eternally existent then where did this occupied space come from? Bru, are you reading this? Can your answer that question with any rational, logical common sense conclusion? No?
Of course cant because there exists only one rational, logical common sense answer and that is no, you have no rational logical common sense alternative conclusion.
I will remind once again, of the 1st cosmic law/principle that I believe applies to occupied space, energy [ physical } cannot be created nor destroyed. Finite, occupied space Universe, that you quasi-concede above, exists, and does not just poof into being, within and already eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space.
Please do not play your ego based mind games. Please give clear and complete answers and/or responses. Not short/incomplete, embedded in my text. I want clarity, as I would hope you would want. Thank You
What you call "macro-infinite-non-occupied-space" would seem to be indistinguishable from what I call noumenon.
I read briefly your wiki link. What comes to mind is that your hoping to infer that since we cannot sense true, absolute non-occupied space, that, we cannot deduce its existence. Is that a fair assessment of what your intentions are? Yes?
Three comments;
1} Ive never claimed that humans sense the macro-infinite non-occupied space, either with biologic five senses, or human devised instruments/technology,
2} humans sense noise, so in a another alternative use of word sense humans sense silence even tho silence does not produce sound waves/vibrations i.e. silience for humans is the lack of audible sounds/waves/vibrations. Hope that makes sense,
3} Ive always claimed that I deduce the existence of macro-infinite, non-occupied spave via rational, logical common sense, that, the existence of an eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space, embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
So please lay your cards on the table Bru7al, clearly and completely as reasonably possible. Sorry for any grammar, or incomplete sentences or thoughts i may have posted in past or in this post. Thank you for you time and effort, I actually respect you pathways of thought in other areas of consideration.
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@Greyparrot
ooh 2 immorals 2 trumpanzees and 2 idio-umps! It's the trifecta of deplorables!
Poor reading comprehensions skills and denial of truth/facts.
42 million, ---not your two + two + two--- in US who lack morals and yes that is scary.
We should be afraid, very afraid of those 42 million irrational, illogical lack of common sense peoples.
Here is my favorite alternative fact you have to offer us.
I think you and Conway Trumpanzee have a lot in common. Irrelevant and insignifcant nonsense.
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Idio-ump is largest cry-baby on Earth yet some 42 million immorals voted for him.
Some recognize their error, and make amends. Repent by making corrections in their future votes,
You, not so much. Some are Trumpanzees for life. Those we need to Lock Away For Life! Lock Tem All Away Today!
Idiu-ump calls media enemy of people ergo enemy of state and enemy of democracy.
42 million in US who lack morals scary. We should be afraid, very afraid of those 42 million irrational, illogical lack of common sense peoples.
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The RNA-DNA code for biologic eggs came before any adult biologics.
Read my lips/text;
RNA-DNA coding > egg > progeny
Cosmic coding or abiogenesis. Neither have any laboratory evidence.
However, we do find left-handed amino-acids in celestial phenomena. How did they get there?
We have evidence of more complex molecules being created from less complex molecules via high pressures.
Another thing we find being formed from high pressures is diamonds if not also buckminster fullerenes.
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@3RU7AL
Well, you can be quite certain that there is no such thing as "nothing".
No you not and any who place their ego to the side and follow rational, logical common sense pathways of thought know better.
Upon analysis, "nothing" can only be "nowhere"...
You really believe this comment? Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space exists outside of our eternally existent, finite occupied space Universe.
This is minimal rational, logical common sense for those whose ego does not diverge them from truth.
It is the very definition of "non-existence".
No it is not. play mind games with words is the ego taking priority of common sense.
Seemingly non-occupied space exists between Earth and moon.
True non-occupied space exists outside of our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
So we can reason that because there is no such thing as "nothing", then whatever this this is, it certainly qualifies as "something".
Bru, no offense intended but it is obvious your ego allows you to not follow the most simple, rational logical common sense pathways of thought.
Let see, Ive posted these pathways for you at DDO and two or more threads here at DArt.
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@Greyparrot
4 idio-umps, this post must be relevant somehow.
Yeah, you could try it sometime. Here is my favorite alternative fact you have to offer us.
I think you and Conway Trumpanzee have a lot in common. Irrelevant and insignifcant nonsense.
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Idio-ump is largest cry-baby on Earth yet some 42 million immorals voted for him.
Some recognize their error, and make amends. Repent by making corrections in their future votes,
You, not so much. Some are Trumpanzees for life. Those we need to Lock Away For Life! Lock Tem All Away Today!
Idiu-ump calls media enemy of people ergo enemy of state and enemy of democracy.
42 million in US who lack morals scary. We should be afraid, very afraid of those 42 million irrational, illogical lack of common sense peoples.
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@secularmerlin
I mean what is the mechanical/chemical process and why does the robot do anything?
It is called algorithmic code, that, of course is not a free will. It is a limited number of degrees of freedom to within context of ability to store and recall information.
Humans do this also, except there is not an obvious algorithm present.
All cause and effect is has a complementary set of mathematical associations.
No we can not map all ooccupied space cause, effects and resultants because fo two reaons;
1} gravity ( ) and dark energy )( are ultra-micro ergo meta{ beyond } physical-3 and 4 repespectively and,
2} so more lines-of-relationship are involved the size of computer need to map them all is far beyond any reasonable conclusion.
The truth exists for those who seek it. The mathematical mapping of truth/facts is not possible for all scenarios.
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I repeat, the problem is not with atheist or theist the problem is with people who choose not to follow rational, logical common sense pathways of thought.
If we live in an eternally existent, ---only option see 1st law of thermodynamics--- finite, occupied space Universe, then there can only exist one, rational, logical common sense conclusion.s
Eeternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space is not a container. It exists as a complementary space, that allows for expansion-contraction of the eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe it embraces/surrounds.
SPACE(>*<) i (>*<)SPACE
Is rather simple texticonic, or acrconym or logo or whatever to express my thoughts at a fundamental level of consideration.
Fundamental means most basic or primay set of what exists.
SPACE exists as1} macro-infinite non-occupied and 2} occupied space.
( )( ) = represents horizontal bisection of a torus, associtated with every particle of Universe, not the finite Universe,
>< is representative of inversions from positive shaped geodesic SPACE as gravity ( ) and negative shaped geodesic SPACE as dark energy )(
* * is representative of bilateral creatures in Universe that may have access to more complex, metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
i is representative of ego ergo I-verse metaphysical-1 narrative, we tell others and ourselves about our observations of self and enviroement that surrounds us.
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@ethang5
Big tax cut
Dumbell >< scenario of greater divide between rich and poor is loose/losse scenario for humanity.
EU and China no longer defrauding us
China rules ---fact/truth-- rest follow, except for narccistic ego's that eventually fall into their own pooh.
North Korea getting some sense
Propganda exercise for two narcissts. This is minimal brainer,
UN no longer treating Israel like terrorists
They live in a fort of walls to protect them from poor peoples.
Our money no longer going to M.E. terrorists
Not since Iran-Contra eh. Didnt Israel bomb Irans nuclear facility some years ago.
So Israel can have nuclear power and nuclear arms but they decided the would not allow Iran to have them.
Stock market soaring
Dumbell >< effect and how far into the future will that pathway take humanity. 500 - 1000 years at best.
Employment up
Thank you Obama, idido-ump please return to you seat
China not dominating south China Sea
1.411 billion size alone people inherently rules other nations
Environmentalist wackos not killing our jobs
Ecological environament that sustains humans is dying. No excuse for deniers. Please return to you seat Ethang.
Illegal immigration down
Immoral seperation of children from parents at border still rising.
Business climate good
Systems that do not take in account detriment of ecological enviroment that sustains humanity. You should return to your sea Ethang.
Consumer confidence high
Ignorance is bliss, at least in short term. To our children's, children's children suck pollution
Fake news media exposed
Alternative facts here https://www.debate.org/Greyparrot/
And anywhere and 9% of the time idio-ump and hisTrumpanzees open their mouths
Supreme court getting sensible judges
Roe vs Wade is moral, rational logica common sense. You confused and in denial of truth.
President on the side of police instead of criminals
Idio-ump in denial of truth, enough said, You can return to your seat Etg.
Military strong
Huh. What happen to make america great again! Minority ---42 million-- of US citizens living in alternative facts world. Sad ;--(
FBI deep state whackos exposed
Listening to narcisstic idio-ump is enough to make any rationallly logical common sense person whacko. You can return to you seat Etg
Watching liberals and progressives have conniptions
Yeah people with moral and who care dont always cave to immoral, alternative fact leaders
Trump winning in court on liberal biased lawsuits
More alternative facts. Idio-ump has trail of law suit misteps. Stormy Daniels and Karen Mc Dogual being most recent.
Get this immoral, sexual predator and rapist out of office before he grabs any more stranger womens private parts.
Complainers identify themselves as the enemies of America.
Idio-ump is largest cry-baby on Earth yet some 42 million immoral voted for him.
Idiou-ump calls media enemy of people ergo enemy of state and enemy of democracy.
42 million in US who lack morals scary. We should be afraid, very afraid of those 42 million irrational, illogical lack of common sense peoples.
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So why do we have irrational, illogical lack of common sense people on Earth? Why do they repeat their errors?
Ego is the greatest danger to humanity. Denial of truth is a sign of ego running the show. Sad :--(
Irrational, illogical and lack of common sense posters need not apply. Waste of head space.
Fact/truth #1-- Xx has is numerically more complex than Xy.
Fact/truth #2 Women have womb/uterus and men have no comparable body organ, other than a prostate gland.
Does any rational, logical common sense people believe the prostate gland is more complex than womb/uterus? Of course not
1} mathematical, ex 3 is more complex 1.
One has no/zip/nada lines-of-relationship
Two has one line-of-relationship ___
Three has three-lines-of-relationship /\ ergo the minimal 2D enclosed area
At four there is a quantum{?} leap over four and five lines-of-relationship, to 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ ergo a 3D minimal an volumetric tetrahedron
...see this link
2} synergetic complexity i.e. something occurs that is not predicted by sum of its parts.
We see this with the above mentioned 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ and here is link to explain how these two triangles synergeticaly sum to four of the same size triangles as the orginal two. So 1 + 1 = 4 and 3 angles + 3 angles = 12 surface angles of the tetrahedron.
Yes, numerically elephants have more cells ergo more lines-of-relationships yet they are not as synergetically complex as humans.
Woman is most complex entity of Universe, barring any scenarios that involve two or more women and or woman and man, or woman and Earth
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Does free will appear to violate integrity?
Yes it does appear to do so, as it is superficially presumed to violate cause, effect and resultant.
Infinite = lack of integrity and is the only true freedom
Finite = wholistic integrity ergo limited degrees of freedom.
There exists a finite set of cosmic { Universal } laws/principles aka absolute truths.
Is there any raitonal, logical common sense that invalidates my givens above? No? I didnt think so.
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@3RU7AL
Please explain where I can find "nothing".
Have done so numerous times in this thread, others at DArt and with you specifically in DDO.
Your in denial and playing mind games.
Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space exists outside our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe ergo;
2} Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
And while you're at it, please explain what makes you think there is a macro-infinite-non-occupied-space.
More mind games as Ive done that in this thread and others here at DArt and at DDO with you specifically, when you chose to read rational, logical common sense postings from me.
We live in an eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe. You have not ever offered any rational, logical common sense that supports otherwise.
And just as Ive asked you and others the following in DDO and here in this thread, you remain silent to obvious truths.
If we live in a finite , occupied space Universe, then there exists only one rational, logical conclusion. Your ego keeps you from acknowledging the only one possible conclusion.
Please do not go off and divergency tactics as Outplazy likes to do. Place you ego to the side and address commments by as presented to you and not create words or scenarios I did not suggest/state. Thank YOu
I mean, if finite-occupied-space is contained within macro-infinite-non-occupied-space, wouldn't that make non-occupied-space technically occupied???
I didnt say "contained" that is your not quoting me correctly, to best of my knowledge. Please play fair.
A container is finite and has integrity. A milk carton is finite and has integrity.
Macro-infinite non-occupied space is not a container and your attempt to suggest such is illogical, irrational and lacks common sense.
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@Stronn
I do, however, know when a proposed system is pie-in-the-sky.
In 1800's people who proposed going to the moon were called lunatics { luna = moon }.
Pie-in-the-sky = impossible. Oh yea of little faith.
You believe a octahedral <> fat middle class for all of humanity. Oh yea of little faith of what is possible.
Does some cosmic law exist that prevents such a scenario? No? I didnt think and neither do you.
Do you not believe we have a dumb-bell >< scenario occurring with distrubition of wealth where middle-class is shrinking? No?
Then your in denial of truth.
Pie in the sky when it, occurs on Earth, is no longer pie-in-the-sky.
You prefer a global dumb-bell >< system for society? Yes? Maybe if your in the rich half.
If your not in rich half, then you might desire, and struggle for a fat <> middle class pie-in-the-sky.
In 1960 was the idea of the Soviet Union tearing down the wall, pie-in-the-sky?
The list of pie-in-the-sky scenarios coming to fruit is much larger than you give credit for.
Hey, I dont have faith humanity will pull-out of their spiral into humanicide. Does that mean I wont speak truth and make attempts to change the world for a better society, No, it does not.
Hope is the last line of defense. Hope for scientific discoveries. Hope for mind forward over butt forward leaders. Etc.
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Irrational, illogical and lack of common sense posters need not apply. Waste of head space.
Fact/truth #1-- Xx has is numerically more complex than Xy.
Fact/truth #2 Women have womb/uterus and men have no comparable body organ, other than a prostate gland.
Does any rational, logical common sense people believe the prostate gland is more complex than womb/uterus? Of course not
1} mathematical, ex 3 is more complex 1.
One has no/zip/nada lines-of-relationship
Two has one line-of-relationship ___
Three has three-lines-of-relationship /\ ergo the minimal 2D enclosed area
At four there is a quantum{?} leap over four and five lines-of-relationship, to 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ ergo a 3D minimal an volumetric tetrahedron
...see this link
2} synergetic complexity i.e. something occurs that is not predicted by sum of its parts.
We see this with the above mentioned 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ and here is link to explain how these two triangles synergeticaly sum to four of the same size triangles as the orginal two. So 1 + 1 = 4 and 3 angles + 3 angles = 12 surface angles of the tetrahedron.
Yes, numerically elephants have more cells ergo more lines-of-relationships yet they are not as synergetically complex as humans.
Woman is most complex entity of Universe, barring any scenarios that involve two or more women and or woman and man, or woman and Earth
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There exists no infinite source. Such a belief follows no shred of any rational, logical common sense.
We live in an eternally existent, finite occupied space Universe. No shred of rational, logical common sense to direct us elsewhere.
Eternally existent macro-infinite non-occupied space exists outside of our finite, occupied space Universe.
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts exists, complementary to our finite, occupied space and macro-infinite non-occupied space.
If biologic life is eternally existent --see Cosmic Ancestry https://www.panspermia.org/
Then we have to ask, what is the rational, logical common sense scenario for that conclusion.
The coding for RNA-DNA, --if not specifically for most complex humans--, is eternally produced somewhere within our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
VIa Jacob Bekenstiens black hole mathematics, that led to holographic scenarios, and Leonard Susskinds holograhic ideas, as associated with string theory, we are left to consider that;
1} blacks holes are 3D, ---see info-bits contained on area of four{ 4 } bisecting planes of spherical cubo{ 6 }-octa{ 8 }hedron---
2} info-bits inside black holes is expressed on 2D outer surface { event horizon }, -- a spherical surface---,
3} those info-bits transposed to environment outside black hole event horizion.
We know one possibilty is related to Hawkings radiation, wherein virtual particles created at even horizon split in two one goes in the other goes out.
If the one particle goes out carries info-bits { via entanglement } from event horizon, then that is one possible avenue of trans-positioning of event horizon to outside environment.
..."But that energy isn’t free! Where did it come from? It must be subtracted from the mass of the black hole, something that can happen thanks to the infalling virtual particles from the original “in” part of the “out-in” pair and the “in-out” pair, respectively. So in the end, we have escaping radiation and a lower mass for the black hole!"....
Why is the spherical cubo-octahedron a rational, logically common sense conclusion to be associated with RNA-DNA coding?
Because of 7, or more, spatially exotic, transformable { operating system } configurations the Euclidean cubo-octahedron and because of its 8 surface triangles.
Some of the configurations are specific to quadra-pedic fish { perpendicular } and cetacceans { parrallel }
Biologic life is 70 - 85% water and water is based on 8 electrons and most common in a tetrahedral arrangement.
None of this to say abiogneisis does not occur, we just have no laboratory proof of such.
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@disgusted
First they were quiet, and then he stated 'not the response I expected' and then crowd laughed and moderate clapping of hands.
Trumpanzees in denial of all negative truths regarding their narcissistic leader.
Mark Judd is hiding because he knows the truth regarding Kavenaough.
Trumpanzees denial of sexual predispostions of idio-ump and any of his Trumpanzees.
This is no surprise to any people have moral integrity and seek truth.
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@Outplayz
Confused. Very confused. :--O"Infinitely finite maybe?"
This like saying Holy War. War is never holy. They are diametric opposites.
Stick to rational, logical common sense pathways of thought if you seek truth.
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@3RU7AL
Macro-infinite-non-occupied-space would axiomatically and tautologically obliterate finite-occupied-space.
And yet another claim with no irational, logical common sense to validate it.
I know you can do better, when you put your mind into it. Or maybe you cant do better.
There are limits to arguing against truth.
It is impossible for an infinite thing to co-exist with any other identifiable thing.
Huh? Again, you make meaningless claims with no shred of rational, logical common sense and your afraid to actually address my comments as stated. Why?
Because you have no rational, logical common sense that invalidates my givens.
Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
Bru, it is only ego that is in jeopardy. Please do fear loss of your ego.
Seek truth via rational, logical common sense pathways of thought. I know you can do it. Just place your ego to the side for a while.
C'mon, try and see if you can do that.
"Nothing" literally doesn't exist.
Incorrect as always on these cosmic issues.
Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
You refuse to address this rational, logical common sense conclusion because of ego.
You refuse to acknowledge that we live in a finite, occupied space Unviverse. Why? Ego is the correct answer. You can drop your ego if you try.
Ego is the greatest danger to humanity.
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@disgusted
Everybody is soulless.
Correction, every biologic is a soul, not souless as in to say, that, a biologic has a soul.
Biologic and soul are synonyms ergo biologic/soul.
That Trumpanzees in denial of truth is not new news. They want forget Nixon and Regans Iran-contra immmoral acts.
They want to forget Immoral and unnecessary Irag war and Vietnam.
They want who leaders who state...they could shoot a human in the street and Trumpanzees would still vote for them.
I mean, seriously these Trumpanzees are so far in denial, that their ego grows even larger and larger and the denials get larger and larger, just as Bill Clintons ego did.
Ego is the greatest danger to humanity. idio-ump has one of the largest detrimentallly narcissistic egos on Earth and Trumpanzees eat his cake day after day.
What was this narcissist stated at UN today. That he has done more than any other president in history...and the crowd went quiet.
So basically he is stating that he is the greatest leader ever. Mohammed Ali claimed he was the greatest ever, and he was, so he was correct.
Idio-ump talks nonsense out his ___s, 100 or more times a day and Trumpanzees eat this cake-of-lies like it was going out of style.
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@disgusted
Why not elect a rapist as a judge, you elected a president who is.
Yeah we know its true but Trumpanzees are in constant denial of truth.
Yeah, idio-ump admits celebrities can grab stranger women by the p____ and they still vote him in.
Trumpanzees in constant denial of moral integrity becuase they have none. Go figure and get back to me.
Ego, power and authority. Lock This Kavenough away today! Far Away From women and all decent humans who practice moral integrity.
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@disgusted
Tremendously wet with tremendous water. hoorah.
Swamps are good and may even help to filter out corrupt politcal toxins.
Dirty corrupt politics enters swamp to pollute it. Trumpanzees have increase the amount of toxins in original less toxic swamps.
Ghengis Khan was stopped from conquering the now Russia by swamps in Keiv area. Then Soviets drained the swamps in industrial revolution to feed the people. See hammer and sickle flag logo/emblem.
Trumpanzees who deny truth need to be locked away, far away. Lock them away today as they are no differrent than Nixon or idio-ump.
PLease take a hike from denial Ethang. Please recognize truth as you have done in the abiogensis thread. The only place Ive seen you regonize truth.
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Women have womb/uterus and that alone makes them more complex than man. The list goes on. This pretty simple minimal brainer conclusions.
1} mathematical, ex 3 is more complex 1.
1 has no/zip/nada lines-of-relationship
2 has one line-of-relationship ___
3 has three-lines-of-relationship /\ ergo the minimal 2D enclosed area
4 takes a quantum{?} leap to 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ ergo a 3D minimal an volumetric tetrahedron
...see this link
2} synergetic complexity i.e. something occurs that is not predicted by sum of its parts.
We see this with the above mentioned 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ and here is link to explain how these two triangles synergeticallly sum to four of the same size triangles as the orginal two. So 1 + 1 = 4 and 3 angles + 3 angles = 12 surface angles of the tetrahedron.
First I will give you a simple mathematical example of woman being more complex than man Xx vs Xy i.e. Xx has many more parts ergo many more lines-of-relationship. Xx is greated numerically than Xy. Do you understand that, Castin?
These more parts, and more lines-of-relationship, interact in ways to make woman more complex than man.
You still have no idea of ways women or more complex than men?
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@Stronn
>< is representative of dumb-bell geometric path that will lead to demise of humanity. Trumpanzees are in denial of the most simple truths.The only way you can achieve the wealth distribution you desire is by incredibly heavy-handed government intervention in the marketplace, which in the end results in everyone being poorer.
<> is a representative of a octahedral ergo fat { girth } aka middle class for all of humanity and not your narrow concept of one nation with a set of 200 or more on Earth.
First of all, there has to be voluntary desire by global humanity to see truth state of world and motivated to unify regarding dong something about that state of the world.
2nd step and so and so on.
The alternative options is the one that traditional pathway and that is one or more states, force global humanity to see truth, and address the state of the world involuntarily.
Trumpanzees make the 2nd option more likely one to occur. Sad :--( as that is butt forward into the future.
Option #1 is mind/intellect/concepts forward into the future.
Either option may prevail and humanity survives beyond a 500 -1000 years from now, but at what costs of suffering and misery.
Ghandi---there is enough for every ones need, not everyones greed... and that comment was made in 1930's or 40's., or so Ive read.
Trumpanzees chant is so narrowed minded...make america great again!.....
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@ethang5
Zzzzzzz
Yeah, your asleep at the wheel. Is anyone surprised at this fact? No
No you dont know what geometry of dumb-bell >< is even after Ive presented to you three or more times with explanation.
Trumpanzees are in constant denial of truth.
Ghandi says, ..'we have enough for everyones need, not enough for everyones greed' ...or so Ive read.
And there are population limits to this comment by him in 1930's or 40's.
And what systems of operations humanity is using to sustain humans needs and/o greeds.
The current systems are not sustainable beyond the next 500 - 1000 years.
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We know that we can know both { two } parts of entanglement via only one observation of either A { O } or B { O }
Entanglement requires a line-of-relationship between the two parts A { O } and B { O }
We most often think of this line-of-relationship as O-------O.
So we say visible light travels from observed A { O } -----> and observed by B { O } ergo O---->O.
I believe there is way another way to see this line-of-relationship that is geodesic and wave-linear.
(O)( )( )( )( )( O) i.e. there exists an ultra-micro gravitational --if not also dark energy--- surface geodesic associated with all particles { O }.
There was a dude Russel in early 20's who thought there was two lines-of-relationship ongoing at same time, and it makes sense, to have a geodesic wave-linear set that is traveling both directions between A { O } and B { O }.
A mass { O } and B mass { O } and between we have two wave-linear geodesic sets of Mass-Atrraction. (O)( )( )( )( )(O)
(O)( )( )( )( )(O) or as (O)>( )( )( )( )<(O)
There exists only cause, effect and a myriad of resultants, that in turn have cause, effect and a myriad of resultants.
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We know that we can know both { two } parts of entanglement via only one observation.
Entanglement requires a line-of-relationship between the two parts A { O } and B { O }
We most often think of this line-of-relationship as O-------O.
So we say visible light travels from observed A { O } -----> and observed by B { O } ergo O---->O.
I believe there is way another way to see this line-of-relationship that is geodesic and wave-linear.
(O)( )( )( )( )( O) i.e. there exists an ultra-micro gravitational --if not also dark energy--- surface geodesic associated with all particles { O }.
There was a dude Russel in early 20's who thought there was two lines-of-relationship ongoing at same time, and it makes sense, to have a geodesic wave-linear set that is traveling both directions between A { O } and B { O }.
A mass { O } and B mass { O } and between we have two wave-linear geodesic sets of Mass-Atrraction. (O)( )( )( )( )( O)
(O)( )( )( )( )( O) or as (O)>( )( )( )( )<(O)
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All occupied space existence is deterministic, cause, effect and resultant{s}. The thought process is based on cause, effect and resultants. Yes? No?
Uncertainty principle says we cant know both speed and location of particle A or B simultaneously, only that we can know one, or the other, in that specific moment of observation. The next moment of observation we can know the other part of that two part set. Yes? No?
Uncertainty principle says, we humans cannot know if particle A, when observed, will be up or down, left or right etc, however, we do know that what ever particle A or B is observed to be, its entangled other half will be the opposite. Yes? No?
So entanglement means there exists a cause and effect relationship between particle A and B. Yes? No?
So entanglement exists, without us humans being able to see the these seemingly hidden relationship and that is similar to any relationships involving gravity { mass-attraction }, that, also we do not observe the relatioships we know must exist. Yes? No?
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@Stronn
Some molecule cause frequency of yellow light to be reflected/. Genes are compose of molecules. It many cases teh gene that causes yellowm black or blue light to be reflected is the same in many differrent biologics.
You and others are still stuck in more superficial surface of a much larger and more comprehensive, cosmic scenario.
The root/core of the question is not truly about chickens or dinosaurs. The disscussion is not getting to root/core of the question ergo dssscussion is lost in superficiality, and not the more cosmic considerations.
This disscussion so so far is like ants, crawling around in a sphere or tube, looking for a corner to crap in, when no corner exists.
When we dig deeper and think it much larger more comprehensive terms or just go along with abiogensis in hopes it will someday appear in the lab.
Chickens poofing into existence are not very likely, except in ways of taking a chicken apart here and then transmitting via ELMagnetics to be reassembled else where ex beam this chicken from here to there. That my come happen on Earth if it does not already exist elsewhere.
What came first is the RNA-DNA coding for the egg.
There is evidence that more complex molecules come from less complex molecules via high pressures.
We know the 4-fold cubo-octahedron transforms into double set of Euclidean sine-waves, at 90 degrees to each other, however, we also know that these same 2 peaks 2 troughs can configure as;
1} parrallel to each other and define the quadra-pedic side arms and tail flukes of cetacceans,
2} perpendicular to each other as side fins and tail fin at 90 degrees with fish.
We know that the area of the four internal bisecting planes of a spherical cubo-octahedron eguals the outer surface area of that spherical cubo-octahedron ---thank you Archimedes---.
This latter part is very similar what is inside a black hole is expressed on its event horizon --thank you Jacob Bekenstien.
The cubo-octahedron has 8 surface triangles and water is composed of 8 electrons. Biologics are 70 - 85% water.
I can envision parts and pieces of most complex RNA-DNA coding coming from black holes as evaporation of some other means and carried by celestrial phenomena within a galaxy, if not beyond.
We know there appears to be a black hole at center of every galaxy that has been observed.
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1} mathematical, ex 3 is more complex 1.
1 has no/zip/nada lines of relationship
2 has one line-of-relationship ___
3 has three-lines-of-relationship /\ ergo the minimal 2D enclosed area
4 takes a quantum{?} leap to 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ ergo a 3D minimal an volumetric tetrahedron
...see this link
2} synergetic complexity i.e. something occurs that is not predicted by sum of its parts.
We see this with the above mentioned 6 lines-of-relationship /\ /\ and here is link to explain how these two triangles synergeticallly sum to four of the same size triangles as the orginal two. So 1 + 1 = 4 and 3 angles + 3 angles = 12 surface angles of the tetrahedron.
First I will give you a simple mathematical example of woman being more complex than man Xx vs Xy i.e. Xx has many more parts ergo many more lines-of-relationship. Xx is greated numerically than Xy. Do you understand that, Castin?
These more parts, and more lines-of-relationship, interact in ways to make woman more complex than man.
You still have no idea of ways women or more complex than men?
Here is one resultant of the above. Women have womb/uterus and that alone makes them more complex than man. The list goes on.
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@3RU7AL
Macro-infinite non-occupied space is one infinite thing --or one non-thing-- depending on how we choose to define 'thing'.\You can't have two infinite things.
Irrespective of your refusal to accept the word 'set' you offer no other information, or rational, logical common sense conclusions, that, invalidate any of my conclusions. Why?The terms "infinite" and "set" are mutually exclusive.
Because none exist.
Three primary kinds of space exist:
1} concept of space ergo metaphysical1-, mind/intellect/concepts
2} macro-infinite space --only one of these exist---,
3} finite, occupied space --only one of these exist---.
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0} " U "niverse/" G "od is inclusive of 1, 2 and 3 above.
Universe/God is subset of " U "niverse/" G "od as only #3 above.
Outplaz's multiple local-universe scenarios attempt to do away with a unified, sum-total Universe, by saying the local universes are moving away from each other at speeds faster-than-the speed of radiation ergo faster than speed-of-gravity if not also dark energy.
That scenario is best considered in its own thread, that Ive done with OutP, however, after a time he never responds, here at DArt and DDO.
If you agree, that, we live a finite, occupied space Universe, then there can only be one rational, logical conclusion and that is what is outside, is macro-infinite non-occupied space.
There exist, no other rational, logical common sense to this conclusion, and the best I recall, you conceded that conclusion with me at DDO a year or so ago.
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Finite = wholistic integrity ergo systemic and structural integrity
Infinite = lack of wholistic integrity ergo lack of systemic and structural integrity
1} metaphysical-1 mind/intellect/concepts i.e. concepts of space, dogs, Toyotas, God/Universe and are;
......1a} absolute truths,
.......1b} neutral or relative truth i.e. true and not true at same time,
........1c} non-truths.
There is at least two or three cosmic subsets to the 0} primary cosmic trinity set.
....1} The above metaphysical-1 set of three,
....2} fermions, bosons and newly discovered 3rd catagory of physical/energy ergo Observed Time,
....3} Oh gee, it escapes now :--(
The problem with atheists and non-atheist is the same. Ego.
Ego is the biggest problem and danger facing humanity.
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@3RU7AL
"Nothing" literally doesn't exist.
Incorrect as always.
Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
You refuse to address this rational, logical common sense conclusion because of ego.
Ego is the greatest danger to humanity.
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The root/core of the question is not truly about chickens or dinosaurs. You guys are not getting to root/core of the question ergo your lost in superficiality, and not the more cosmic considerations. You guys are like ants, crawling around in a sphere or tube, looking for a corner to crap in, when no corner exists.
You to digger deeper and think it much larger more comprehensive terms or just go along with abiogensis in hopes it will someday appear in the lab.
Chickens poofing into existence are not very likely, except in ways of taking a chicken apart here and then transmitting via ELMagnetics to be reassemble else where ex beam this chicken from here to there. That my come happen on Earth if it does not already exist elsewhere.
What came first is the RNA-DNA coding for the egg.
There is evidence that more complex molecules come from less complex molecules via high pressures.
We know the 4-fold cubo-octahedron transforms into double set of Euclidean sine-waves, at 90 degrees to each other, however, we also know that these same 2 peaks 2 troughs can configure as;
1} parrallel to each other and define the quadra-pedic side arms and tail flukes of cetacceans,
2} perpendicular to each other as side fins and tail fin at 90 degrees with fish.
We know that the area of the four internal bisecting planes of a spherical cubo-octahedron eguals the outer surface area of that spherical cubo-octahedron ---thank you Archimedes---.
This latter part is very similar what is inside a black hole is expressed on its event horizon --thank you Jacob Bekenstien.
The cubo-octahedron has 8 surface triangles and water is composed of 8 electrons. Biologics are 70 - 85% water.
I can envision parts and pieces of most complex RNA-DNA coding coming from black holes as evaporation of some other means and carried by celestrial phenomena within a galaxy, if not beyond.
We know there appears to be a black hole at center of every galaxy that has been observed.
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@TwoMan
All occupied space existence is deterministic, cause, effect and resultant{s}. The thought process is based on cause, effect and resultants. Yes? No?Choice, by definition, means there are at least two courses of action possible.
Uncertainty principle says we cant know both speed and location of particle A or B simultaneously, only that we can know one, or the other, in that specific moment of observation. The next moment of observation we can know the other part of that two part set. Yes? No?
We know that we can know both parts, given two seperate observations.
Uncertainty principle says, we humans cannot know if particle A, when observed, will be up or down, left or right etc, however, we do know that what ever particle A or B is observed to be, its entangled other half will be the opposite. Yes? No?
So entanglement means there exists a cause and effect relationship between particle A and B. Yes? No?
So entanglement exists, without us humans being able to see the these seemingly hidden relationship and that is similar to any relationships involving gravity { mass-attraction }, that, also we do not observe the relatioships we know must exist. Yes? No?
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@keithprosser
The best answer to know free will is the Hesignburg uncertainty argument.
However, that only means we cannot know speed and location of quantum particle simultaneously. We can know both.
There is gravitational relationship between all quantum particles of eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
Gravity can not be discounted at ultra-micro scales of existence. What is discounted is amount of effect of gravity at the atomic and molecular scales of existence.
There is no evidence of how the two specifically interrelate.
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@ethang5
No you dont know what geometry of dumb-bell is even after Ive presented to you three or more times with explanation.
Trumpanzees are in constant denial of truth.
Ghandi says, ..'we have enough for everyones need, not enough for everyones greed' ...or so Ive read.
And there are population limits to this comment by him in 1930's or 40's.
And what systems of operations humanity is using to sustain humans needs and/o greeds.
The current systems are not sustainable beyond the next 500 - 1000 years.
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Ignoramus is best answer in this thread. Such a cute little ignoramus.
Lets have more of them?
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@ethang5
The post is truth and you are in denial. Typical Trumpanzee and idio-ump politics, deny, deny, deny truth at all costs. Just as Nixon did.
You still here. I thought I asked you to please take a hike from this thread until you can accept truth as presented to you in this thread and others like it. Trumpanzee need not apply as they are denial of truth and rational, logical common sense.
As is your lack of reading comprehension abilities and repeated boring comments. Denial of facts and truth is typical of Trumpanzees who voted for idio-ump. Swamp is growing, democracy is in jeopardy, and moral values have disintegrated even further, Sad :-(
Take a hike Ethang as you have no moral values for truth regards to idio-ump, Trumpanzee thugs, and corruption that surrounds them.
Ok so Manafort has chose to cooperate to lessen his sentencing. Why is he charged with anything?
Trumpanzees believe their moral people. If we cant believe a Trumpanzee who can we believe?
He is not a swamp type person is he? Is Flynn or any the other Trumpanzees truly swamp-people?
Idio-ump promised to drain swamp, reverse roe vs wade via supreme court and be as anti-immgrant as possible.
I think some do not understand the differrence between a moral and immoral swamp.
I think some do not care that there is a differrence between swamp of immoral mafia-like thugs/bullies, criminals and those who play politics to get this or that biil passed.
Your obviously one of those immoral Trumpanzees. I bet you even voted for idio-ump. Sad :--(
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@3RU7AL
It is one macro-indefinite set.
Huh? Bru, I think you have confused the word define/definite with boundary, parameter etc.
The terms "infinite" and "set" are mutually exclusive.
This in not true with mathematicians who use the terms 'infinite set' commonly.
There exists one, macro-infinite space. Not two infinites in that set or what ever you will allow it to be labled as.
Macro-infinite non-occupied space is not two infinite things.
Three primary kinds of space exist:
1} concept of space ergo metaphysical1-, mind/intellect/concepts
2} macro-infinite space --only one of these exist---,
3} finite, occupied space --only one of these exist---.
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0} " U "niverse/" G "od is inclusive of 1, 2 and 3 above.
Universe/God is subset of " U "niverse/" G "od as only #3 above.
Outplaz's multiple local-universe scenarios attempt to do away with a unified, sum-total Universe, by saying the local universes are moving away from each other at speeds faster-than-the speed of radiation ergo faster than speed-of-gravity if not also dark energy.
That scenario is best considered in its own thread, that Ive done with OutP, however, after a time he never responds, here at DArt and DDO.
If you agree, that, we live a finite, occupied space Universe, then there can only be one rational, logical conclusion and that is what is outside, is macro-infinite non-occupied space.
There exist, no other rational, logical common sense to this conclusion, and the best I recall, you conceded that conclusion with me at DDO a year or so ago.
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@ravensjt
Biologic life is specific pattern of molecules via atomic elements.
Biologic life is connected just not in any direct evidence that the atoms led to biologic life.
If biologic life is eternally existent --see Cosmic Ancestry https://www.panspermia.org/
Then we have to ask, what is the rational, logical common sense scenario for that conclusion.
The coding for RNA-DNA, if not specifically for most complex humans, is eternally produced somewhere with our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
VIa Jacob Bekenstiens black hole mathematics, that led to holographic scenarios, and Leonard Susskinds holograhic ideas, as associated with string theory, we are left to consider that;
1} blacks holes are 3D, ---see info-bits contained on area of four{ 4 } bisecting planes of spherical cubo{ 6 }-octa{ 8 }hedron---
2} info-bits inside black holes is expressed on 2D outer surface { event horizon }, -- a spherical surface---,
3} those info-bits transposed to environment outside black hole event horizion.
We know one possibilty is related to Hawkings radiation, wherein virtual particles created at even horizon split in two one goes in the other goes out.
If the one partilce goes out carries info-bits { via entanglement } from event horizon, then that is one possible avenue of trans-positioning of event horizon to outside environment.
..."But that energy isn’t free! Where did it come from? It must be subtracted from the mass of the black hole, something that can happen thanks to the infalling virtual particles from the original “in” part of the “out-in” pair and the “in-out” pair, respectively. So in the end, we have escaping radiation and a lower mass for the black hole!"....
Why is the spherical cubo-octahedron a rational, logically common sense conclusion to be associated with RNA-DNA coding?
Because of 7, or more, spatially exotic, transformable { operating system } configurations the Euclidean cubo-octahedron and because of its 8 surface triangles.
Some of the configurations are specific to quadra-pedic fish { perpendicular } and cetacceans { parrallel }
Biologic life is 70 - 85% water and water is based on 8 electrons and most common in a tetrahedral arrangement.
Ive given many more of the specifics to the above in other threads here ad DArt, DO and many other forums over lat 8 years.
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@3RU7AL
No, his logic is not "airtight".
Rational, logical common sense is the missing element as oxygen, in this conceptual "airtight" tight container.
Biological unicorns do not exist. Virtual unicorns only exist via pixels/electrons and drawings/paintings.
Conceptual unicorns exist only via access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept.
Access to metaphysical-1, mind/intlect/concepts to greatest degree is unique to humans.
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@Outplayz
No infinite source exists. Why you keep stating this follows no shred of any rational, logical common sense.An infinite source.
Is reminiscent of Mopac and his repeated nonsense with no rational, logical common sense added in.
We live in an eternally existent, finite occupied space Universe. Why you would think otherwise has no shred of rational, logical common sense.
Eternally existent macro-infinite non-occupied space exists outside of our finite, occupied space Universe.
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts exist s, complementary to our finite, occupied space and macro-infinite non-occupied space.
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