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To clarify I should have stated the the saddle-shaped, complex, quasi-2D octahedron is only negative { ..)(.... } space whereas the original convex VE{ spherical or Euclidean } is only positive convex shaped space.
The below was in regards to a fluctuation in the quantum wave alledged in initiate the big bang.
Fuller states that the the prime number 47 is the first prime after a 46 degree limit of all 2D or 3D geodesic calculations ergo it may be the cause of seeming randomenss of Universe.
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There exists other exotic configurations of the 4-fold VE via its jitterbug transformations LINK that are somewhat difficult for me to explain without better graphics
But my favorite is the flying 2D hexagon { __ } that has an erect { yet flexi-able } tail wing { /\ } composed of two bonded/valenced triangles
........ __/\ ...........
With the flying hexagon we see what I believe is the inherent ---built in--- random fluctuation of any so called quantum wave or quantum sine-wave scenarios of Universe.
It is as tho the flying hexagon with its 7th set of erect { perpendicular triangles } says, I refuse to collapse into a 2D only existence.
Or, I am somebody will not lay flat for remain flat for no force of Universe.
Or you can not stop triangles who want to be free.
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@sadolite
You appear to be in constant state of paranoia, fear and denial. Until you can get out side your tapped mind there can exist no significant rational, logical common sensed disscussion betweeen us.I addressed your points. You live in denial.
Sad :--(
It was and has been ever since;,
1} your refuseal to addressed my comments as stated ---multiple times ex "7th and 8th" etc in last my ls response to you,
2} your desire to not to have a rational, logical common sense back and forth disscusion, by doing #1 above,
It is sad :--( that you cannot see that your the one that is in denial because of paranoia and lack of access to seemingly any imaginative faculties on these issues that, Ive repeatedly laid in a simple and clear enumeration format for you tp address and respond to in a rational, logical common sense way.
You appear to be trapped in box of limited thoughts and ideas on these issues and possible scenarios humanity has the opportunity to go forward with. I'm doubtful also, but once lose faith in humanity hope is not far behind. Or is that the other way around? I dunno.
More and more and more weapons is dumb when we consider humanity that has such historically barbaric history. I'm sadden you cant see the obvious solution that has the best option forward.
You can ignore my comments again. That does not make them invalid considerations.
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Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@sadolite
You saying the same thing over and over again is not a conversation.
I agree, that it is not much of significant, rational, logical conversation as long as you repeatedly refeuse to read/listen and address the many enumerated bullet points Ive laid out for you and others to consider. Your paranoia and fear keeps you trapped in very narrow head-space little access to any imaginative faculties you may possess. Sad :--(
It was over when,
1} you refused to addressed my comments as stated ---multiple times ex "7th and 8th" etc in last my ls response to you,
2} your desire to not to have a rational, logical common sense back and forth disscusion, by doing #1 above,
And that is evidence of your being ridiculous cause you have not ever truly addressed more than one comment by me, and maybe not even one directly.
It is sad :--( that you cannot see that your the one that is in denial because of paranoia and lack of access to seemingly any imaginative faculties on these issues that, Ive repeatedly laid in a simple and clear enumeration format for you tp address and respond to in a rational, logical common sense way.
You appear to be trapped in box of limited thoughts and ideas on these issues and possible scenarios humanity has the opportunity to go forward with. I'm doubtful also, but once lose faith in humanity hope is not far behind. Or is that the other way around? I dunno.
More and more and more weapons is dumb when we consider humanity that has such historically barbaric history. I'm sadden you cant see the obvious solution that has the best option forward.
You can ignore my comments again. That does not make them invalid considerations.
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Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@sadolite
I have addressed everything you have said. It is your problem that you live in denial of reality. This ridiculous conversation is over.
It was over when,
1} you refused to addressed my comments as stated ---multiple times ex "7th and 8th" etc in last my ls response to you,
2} your desire to not to have a rational, logical common sense back and forth disscusion, by doing #1 above,
And that is evidence of your being ridiculus cause you have not ever truly addressed more than one comment by me, and maybe not even one directly.
It is sad :--( that you cannot see that your the one that is in denial because of paranoia and lack of access to seemingly any imaginative faculties on these issues that, Ive repeatedly laid in a simple and clear enumeration format for you tp address and respond to in a rational, logical common sense way.
You appear to be trapped in box of limited thoughts and ideas on these issues and possible scenarios humanity has the opportunity to go forward with. I'm doubtful also, but once lose faith in humanity hope is not far behind. Or is that the other way around? I dunno.
More and more and more weapons is dumb when we consider humanity that has such historically barbaric history. I'm sadden you cant see the obvious solution that has the best option forward.
You can ignore my comments again. That does not make them invalid considerations.
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Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@sadolite
I have read what you have written.
Again since you refuse to read/listen and address specifics of what Ive stated.
There is little to no evidence of such { your statement above }, nor have you directly addressed such. Why? Your paranoia keeps you in bubble and fear of using any imaginative faculites you may have access to.
My guess is that when you see other people yawning you dont yawn because of your empather centers being inactive and I speculate that, that is a resultant of your parnaoid state of consciousness. I dunno.
So I'll will try this question to you for the 7th or 8th time now, or until you actually read what I state and behave like a mature adult who actually wants to have a rational, logical common sense disscussion.
Can you imagine a life in a world where most people only have bad intentions? No you cant imagine that and you refuse to even try because of your seemingly paranoid state of mind.
All-for-one and one-for-all is a moral precedent for sanity at its highest {most wholistically } spirit-of-intent. The world is full of people with good intentions is common saying that gets pooh-poohed.
Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@sadolite
I have read what you have written.
Little to no evidence of such, nor have you directly addressed such. Why? Your paranoia keeps you in bubble and fear of using any imaginative faculites you may have access to. My guess is that you dont yawn when you see other people yawning. Lack of empathy center begin active.
When you want to actually read what Ive stated and respond to that --you rarely ever do that, why?--- then maybe we can begin to have a rational logical common sense disscussusion. You appear to live in world of fear and paranoia. Sad :--(
So I'll will try this question to you for the 5th or 6th time, or until you actually read what I state and want to have a rational, logical common sense disscussion.
Can you imagine a life in a world where most people only have bad intentions? No you cant imagine that and you refuse to even try because of your seemingly paranoid state of mind.
All-for-one and one-for-all is a moral precedent for sanity at its highest {most wholistically } spirit-of-intent. The world is full of people with good intentions is common saying that gets pooh-poohed.
Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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....."We will remain in this collective dead-end, hurtling toward either Orwellian dystopia or extinction via climate collapse or nuclear armageddon, until we find a way out of it. It won’t come from the tools our rulers have given us, and it won’t come from repeating any of the old patterns which got us here.
...In order to escape from the increasingly adept narrative control matrix that is being built around our collective mind by the powerful, we’re going to have to change our relationship with narrative altogether. We will either pass this great test or we will fail it, and we absolutely have the freedom to go either way.
Caitlin JohnstoneRogue journalist. Bogan socialist. Anarcho-psychonaut. Guerrilla poet. Utopia prepper."....
..."Politics is downstream from narrative control,..."
Money { business as uusal } is controls the narrative matrix and that controls the politics
Or as Fuller state in his book Grunch of the Giants and Critical Path, government rides on the end of the tail of the dragon of business { money } with governement and poliics getting whipped around by business { money } tail end, in this direction or that direction.
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There exists other exotic configurations of the 4-fold VE via its jitterbug transformations LINK that are somewhat difficult for me to explain without better graphics Ex the saddle-shape octahedron of only negative { ..)(.... } curved space whereas the original convex VE{ spherical or Euclidean } is only positive convex shaped space.
But my favorite is the flying 2D hexagon { __ } that has an erect { yet flexi-able } tail wing { /\ } composed of two bonded/valenced triangles
........ __/\ ...........
With the flying hexagon we see what I believe is the inherent ---built in--- random fluctuation of any so called quantum wave or quantum sine-wave scenarios of Universe.
It is as tho the flying hexagon with its 7th set of erect { perpendicular triangles } says, I refuse to collapse into a 2D only existence.
Or, I am somebody will not lay flat for remain flat for no force of Universe.
Or you can not stop triangles who want to be free.
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@janesix
At 7:10 he has spun his 2D lattice to show the most beautiful pattern ever.
It show 8 rings of 30 particles each ergo 8 * 30 = 240 particles. He states how many particles somewhere in this presentation but I forget if if it is 240 or 248 or something else.
One of my early Grand Unified scenario uses 8 5-fold icosahedra attached the 8 surface triangles of the 4-folf cubo-octahedron aka the Vector Equilibrium { VE }.
Since the icosahedron is defined by 30 chords, my scenario gave 30 * 8 = 240 chords and many of those ---not all--- were overlapping each other.
However, since the VE is also the jitterbug, it contracts, spins and torques to become the 4-fold octahedron LINK and then it can further collapse to become the 3-fold tetrahedron LINK.
And also it can become the flatten 4-fold and 2D subdivided triangle ---with the original 8 icosahedra---, now having 4 icosahedr aon each side of this singular subdivided triangle ergo we can see the heat death Universe being this flattened 2D subdivided triangle --i.e. on very large very flat { lowest energy photon } --- with 4 icosahedra on each side as omni-embracing 5-fold gravity.
The 5-fold gravity contains and embraces the our 4-fold photonic, Observed Time { physical reality } Universe. See this LINK to understand another way to show that 5-fold icosahedron, contains the 4-fold VE, and the 4-fold contains the 3-fold tetrahedron, that composes { building block } for both 4-fold and 5-fold polyhedra of Universe.
There is one more configuration to consider in any heat death scenario of Universe, and that is the flattend, 2D subdivided triangle above, infolds to become on undivided triangle i.e. actually a bonded/valecned set of 8 2-fold triangles with 4 5-fold icosahedra on each side and that leads to this following texticonic { poor graphic } descripion
O|O = 8 bonded/valenced 5-fold icosahedra on each side of the seemingly 2D triangle set { the collapsed 4-fold VE }. From this position of most contraction of the VE we could see the contracted Universe unfolding ergo expanding back out to its original position of as the Vector Equilibrium.
Of course the above scenario can be seen in two versions:
1} all of the polyhedra are Eucldiean { straight line vectors },
2} all of the polyhedra are Riemnan { curved spherical geodesic } and that leads to slight differrent texticonic representation at the maximal configuration as 2D triangle where the spherical icosahedron will over lap each other
( ) = one set of 4 icosahedron
( ) = 2nd set of 4 spherical icosahedra
| = 2D flatten VE that is a curved geodesc 2D triangle
( ( | ) )
There exists other exotic configurations of the 4-fold VE via its jitterbug transformations that are somewhat difficult for me to explain without better graphics Ex the saddle-shape octahedron of only negative { ..)(.... } curved space whereas the original convex VE{ spherical or Euclidean } is only positive convex shaped space.
But my favorite is the flying 2D hexagon { __ } that has an erect { yet flexiable } tail wing { /\ } composed of two bonded/valenced triangles ........ __/\ ...........
With the flying hexagon we see what I believe is the inherent ---built in--- random fluctuation scenarios of Universe.
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@sadolite
When you want to actually read what Ive stated and respond to that --you rarely ever do that, why?--- then maybe we can begin to have a rational logical common sense disscussusion. You appear to live in world of fear and paranoia. Sad :--(You advocate taking peoples guns simply for having opinions.
So I'll will try this question to you for the 4th until you actually read what I state and want to have a rational, logical common sense disscussion.
Can you imagine a life in a world where most people only have bad intentions? No you cant imagine that and you refuse to even try because of your seemingly paranoid state of mind.
All-for-one and one-for-all is a moral precedent for sanity at its highest {most wholistically } spirit-of-intent. The world is full of people with good intentions is common saying that gets pooh-poohed.
Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@sadolite
I wouldnt Ive as Ive never been to hell and Ive been only many paths with people with good intentions.The road to hell is paved with you good intentions
Please tell us more about your "good intentions" journe and your experiences in "hell".
Is this true for all people like you or just those like you that like to shoot bulltets at things?
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@Outplayz
I know how to make one in my garage now... it's not that hard.
And that is a more common attitude in todays world. In a differrent world that attitude may be less common and less commonly accepted by the masses.
Then there is also the question of acquiring propellants for fire-arms.
..."Propellants can vary from black gunpowder to a more modern smokeless powder which contains nitrocellulose. Propellants are carefully formulated to ignite and create an expanding gas that accelerates the bullet down the barrel."....
What happens when your neighbors find out your building firearms and aquring chemicals to create ammunition?
The common saying is that ...'the world is filled with people with good intentions'...
Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
Can you imagine a world filled with people with good intentions put into action via agreement to do so aka spiritual intent?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 1c, 1d etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
....you would rather fight than any other options.............
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
..this began in 80's.....
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
.....I'm on board who is against that?....
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
....well this moves us closer to balancing the tables for common person who has no "larger weapons" your type should like this......
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
....common person also does not have medium size weapons so again, equalizing towards the common person....
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
....I have no problem with personal bow and arrow as much harder to do massive damage by single individual....
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@sadolite
Good luck with all that. I'll keep my guns.
If you want them send other people with guns to come get them because you will need to pry them from my guns from the hands of my dead body. You know as well as I do that if you had the power you would use guns to disarm people with guns.
Not true and is more evidence of your short-sighted lack of imagination.
Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
Can you imagine a world filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
....you would rather fight than any other options.............
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
..this began in 80's.....
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
.....I'm on board, why not you?....
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
....well this moves us closer to balancing the tables for common person who has no "larger weapons" your type should like this......
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
....common person also does not have medium size weapons so again, equalizing towards the common person....
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
....I have no problem with personal bow and arrow as much harder to do massive damage by single individual....
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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Compare my root/kernal below to Lisa Garrits more wholistic unified system at
Mine root/kernal is best seen at 10:05 to 9:40 in his utube presentation. I do not yet have more whoistically completed unified presentation as that would involved 73 tori. LINK
......1........................5p............7p.......................11p............13p...........................17p............19p.........................23p......
0........................................6...........................................12................................................18............................................24
...................3p...........................................9...............................................15..............................................21........................
............2p.........4................................8...........10...............................14...........16...............................20...........22...............
The nucleated hexagons that is apparrent after a spiral helix occurs from as dynamically moving point that begins at zero and goes in numerical sequence with inversions defining nucelated sine-wave body of tube at 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 etc
0......1----5p.......6......4---2p..3p is first nucleated hexagonal set
3p....5p-7p........9..........8---4...6 is next overlapping nucleated hexagonal set
6.....7p---11p....12.....10-8...9 is next overlapping nucleated hexagonal set
9....11p--13p.....15....14---10...12 is next overlapping nucleated hexagonal set
So on and so on. The next question is at what point does the sequence complete a single minimal toroidal, set as related to defining the minimal elemetary particles of Universe, of which that all ---except for perhaps graviton and darkion--- are defined by two or more tori as their own integral pattern set of two three or more tori sharing a common nuclear center.
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@janesix
Nice presentation, however, what we see depends on how he spins our point of view of the 2D lattice.
I would direct you specifically to 10:05 to 9:40 where he introduces 7-charge Dimensions ---not 7 spatial dimensions-- and the primary geometry is based, on 3 { tria } 4 { quadra } and 6 { hexa } and this in 5-rings of occupied space.
The outer ring of the particle has 12 occupied space positions;
...1} 4 green circles,
...2} 4 red, quasi-diamonds
...3} 3 beige squares
...4} 1 green square
The next ring of occupied space is 4, nucleated, hexagonal sets of occupied space positions and each is identical;
...1} 1 green circle{ nuclear }, 2 green triangles, 2 purple triangles, 2 beige triangles
...2} 1 green circle { nuclear }, 2 green triangles, 2 purple triangles, 2 beige triangles
...3} 1 green circle { nuclear }, 2 green triangles, 2 purple triangles, 2 beige triangles
...2} 1 green circle { nulcear }, 2 green triangles, 2 purple triangles, 2 beige triangles
The next ring has 12 occupied space positions;
...1} 3 green squares
...2} 3 green diamonds
...3} 2 green circles
...4} 2 gaps
...5} 1 red diamond
Next ring is four nucleated hexagons ---blue triangles represent gravity if I'm understanding correctly
Then nuclear ring is 6 purple circles.
Here below is not my more wholistic unified geometrical set but rather the root{ kernal } set of natural occurring set of prime numbers --on one line/level{ excpet 2 and 3 }--, triangullar and overlapping, nucleated, hexagonal patterns that are defined by inverted helix patterned as found, within my inverted four level/line explorations that I bring closure to be saying each line is actually two semi-broken great circles of a torus and two quasi-great circles of the same torus.
1} outer { top } great circle
2} inside great circle
3} inside great circle
4} inner ( bottom } great circle
......1........................5p............7p.......................11p............13p...........................17p............19p.........................23p......
0........................................6...........................................12................................................18............................................24
...................3p...........................................9...............................................15..............................................21........................
............2p.........4................................8...........10...............................14...........16...............................20...........22...............
The nucleated hexagons that is apparrent after a spiral helix occurs from as dynamically moving point that begins at zero and goes in numerical sequence with inversions defining nucelated sine-wave body of tube at 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 etc
0......1----5p.......6......4---2p..3p is first nucleated hexagonal set
3p....5p-7p........9..........8---4...6 is next overlapping nucleated hexagonal set
6.....7p---11p....12.....10-8...9 is next overlapping nucleated hexagonal set
9....11p--13p.....15....14---10...12 is next overlapping nucleated hexagonal set
So on and so on. The next question is at what point does the sequence complete the minimal toroidal set as related to defining the minimal elemetary particles of Universe that all ---except for perhaps graviton and darkion--- are defined by two or more tori as their own integral pattern set of two three or more tori sharing a common nuclear center.
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@sadolite
@Snoopy
I would be inclined to disagree with Alec that its impossible for common criminals to hang up their guns, though I think we need to be looking at least a human lifetime out.
I agree and posted reference to community in CA that was paying its common crimminals not to commit crime and it was working.
Alec has little ability to to have imagination { IMAGINE--J. Lennon }, faith, love and hope in a humankind that can superscede is negatives.
I don't think humanity will survive another 500- 1000 years but that does not mean I dont think they have the potential to overcome via faith, hope and love.
Sadolite--Hope and faith isn't a plan to deal with evil.
Evil = greedy, selfish etc
Evil = crazy, insane etc,
Evil = lack of compassion and empathy
Evil = when the ego places self above or before others uneccessarily
Evil = racism, sexism etc
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All-for-one and one-for-all is a moral precedent for sanity at its highest {most wholistically } spirit-of-intent. The world is full of people with good intentions is common saying that gets pooh-poohed.
Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@zedvictor4
1) There is more than one definition of the word refine. Check it out.
That does not explain what you meant in your usage
2) "Smart" is simply human thinking, relative to a current phase of technological development.
No one here suggested otherwise.
3) Yep exactly. We are now highly dependant on A.I. Sure, A.I. development will still be dependant on a few smart humans for some time to come. But I think that it's more than likely that A.I. will eventually exceed human capabilities.
A.I already has exceeded human capabilities at game of Chess and Go as well as the ability to do massive amounts of calculations for faster than any human.
4) "Sinister" in this context, is a word used to represent how humans respond to something, rather than how something non-human might behave.
Ok, that perspective better fits your given scenario
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@Snoopy
Alec: All of your goals are impossible.
In 1800's people who dreamed of going to the moon were called lunatics because it was obviously immpossible
If you ban guns, people get them illegally.
If humanity was in agreement in banning weapons then there is going to exist less weapons and it is going to be much harder to access them. This is minimal brainer.
No way are you going to convince a criminal to give up their guns.
There various factors to be consider here and you Alec and Snoppy are very short-sided and narrow-minded on this issue.
Where there is faith in human kind there is hope. Where there exists there exist love.
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@sadolite
Evil = Crazy, Insane etc
How to make for a saner, ergo less evil world.
All-for-one and one-for-all is a moral precedent for sanity at its highest {most wholistically } spirit-of-intent. The world is full of people with good intentions is common saying that gets pooh-poohed.
Can you imagine a world not filled with people with good intentions?
1} unify humanity under common wholistic set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@Dr.Franklin
How to make for a saner world.
1} unify humanity under common set of concerns and goals
....1a, 1b, 12, 1c etc that in turn lead to those concerns that are of the most immediate danger to humanity
2} unified humanity agrees to dismantle all hydrogen and nuclear weapons,
3 } unified humanity agrees to dismantle all toxic weapons,
4} unified humanity agrees to abolish all larger weapons,
5} unified humanity agrees to abolish all medium size weapons,
6} unified humanity agrees to abolish all small weapons { firearms }.
A move in this direction is a move toward a saner world that all humans we will have to have the greatest confidence in the honest sincerity of those in authority who oversee those actions at each stage of becoming a more sane humanity.
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@disgusted
No we do not need send humans to moon or mars.
Yes we do need to take care of issues here on Earth first.
1} overpopulation,
2} fresh clean water,
3} proper response to toxic waste,
4} recycle, recycle, recycle,
5} unify humanity, unify humanity, unify humanity,
6} all non-essential space technology directed toward shipping high level ionizing waste into the sun
..."The Proton is an extremely flexible and capable launch vehicle, capable of sending up to 22.8 metric tons into orbit (about the same as what the U.S. Space Shuttle could deliver) and has proven itself for decades.
....Recently, though, issues in quality control and competition from SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket, which can carry about the same payload to low Earth orbit, have severely impacted the Proton’s performance and competitiveness."....
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@sadolite
Remember the Alamo!Hmm well you can throw away your guns if you have any and think you will change the world. I plan on surviving or die tying should the Armageddon of toys take place.
More weapons on Earth is dumb.
......The humans are dead!.......
Less weapons on Earth is smart.
.....great chance humans still live.............
More inequity of human standard of living at cost of ecological environment that sustains them all
....greater chance humans are dead............
Less inequity of human standard of living at cost of ecological environment that sustains them all.
...less chance humans are dead....
Increasing disparate humanity
....greater chance humanity is dead...
Unified humanity
... greater chance humanity still lives....
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@zedvictor4
I think that new intelligence will refine itself very quickly.
So smart tvs and smart autos will be come more refined culturally? I'm confused about your use of word refined.
Gas is more refined the diesel fuel. Is thinner blood more refined than thicker blood?
Though I see it all as being part of an inevitable evolutionary process, rather than something sinister.
So our human developed technology is getting smarter, whereas humans are not getting smarter.
As for sinister, only humans can be sinister not smart technology.
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@Outplayz
@sadolite
@Snoopy
When I see a armed govt such as the US govt treat an armed citizenry with such disdain, condensation and disrespect one can only imagine how they would treat a disarmed society. That is why I own a gun, lots of them and plan to buy more.
The "Humans Are Dead" is one answer to all of human caused problems and more weapons will only hasten that ending.
Thanks to Origami for the video!
D-Pirate---If #of guns = chance to get shot, then why, if # of guns goes up, # of people being shot is going down? guns increase while murder rates decrease, explain.
Timing and location is everything in love and war. Adding tinder { fuel } to a pile of wood just makes it easy to ignite when the time is right and depending on the fuel { weapon } it may burn all that much hotter.
Play with fire and humanity may get burned.
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What percentage of 8623 is the value 23?
0.27% i.e. less than 1%
So 87 minus 100 arrives at 8600 with 027% being negligible{?}.
100 is 1.1627906976744% of 8600. So would such a 1.62790 be of any meaning in these lines of thought?
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86 23.3766 233766 233766 233766 2337 66
So we have 8000 and 600 before we get to the repeating 23.766.
So that is 86 hundred and perhaps we can add in 23 as some percentage of 8600.
What just occurred to me was any possible associations to the 87 great circles LINK combination of the;
25 primary great circle planes/polygons 4-fold cubo-octahedron and,
62 via 31 left and right set of icosahedrons primary set great circle planes/polygons.
So 87 * 100 = 8700. Minus 100 = 8600
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86 23.3766 233766 233766 233766 2337 66
So we have 8000 and 600 before we get to the repeating 23.766.
So that is 86 hundred and perhaps we can add in 23 as some percentage of 8600.
What just occurred to me was any possible associations to the 87 great circles LINK combination of the;
25 primary great circle planes/polygons 4-fold cubo-octahedron and,
62 via 31 left and right set of icosahedrons primary set great circle planes/polygons.
So 87 * 100 = 8700. Minus 100 = 8600
What percentage of 8623 is the value 23? H,mmm not sure where any this leads or of significance.
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@zedvictor4
What about the daily onslaught of 7.7billion human farts?
That problem was solved in early 60's and begun in year 2000. Where have you been ZV4?
The "Humans Are Dead" is the answer to all of humans problems!
Thanks to Origami for the vidieo link.
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@Greyparrot
Lick my battery FrenchieGP---France knows best.
The "Humans Are Dead" music vidieo ---{ made in France? }--
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@oromagi
The Humans Are Dead is so great? Thank you Oromagi for that one!
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@zedvictor4
What about the daily onslaught of 7.7billion human farts?
Over population is a problem that Ive been posting about for 25 years on internet and talking about even longer.
Human over population, in regards to the systemic processes we have in place, is the driver of most, if not all of humanities large scale problems.
Dumb = more sovereign nations,
....less unified humanity,
.....more weapons,
.....no free condoms,
.......less sex education,
.......less legal prostitution,
.......no minimal standard of living balanced to the ecological environment that sustains us.
Ex those people who want to dump toxic wastes in the ocean, with the idea that the oceans are so large they will dilute all of the toxicity and not affect humans in any significant way.
These type people are living in a fantasy land of non-truth. Out-of-sight, out-of-mind works until the the toxic waste starts affecting marine life and the humans that depend on the marine life for their survivall
Humans are basically incompassionate, greedy barbarians.
So how do we get beyond this lack of moral integrity? Unify under a flag that is for most people and the ecological environment that sustains us with minimal standard of living as the base line, not the highest standard of living as the base line.
Humanity --mostly 1st nations--- have abused the ecological enviroment that sustains us and now we have reap what we have sown, more and more.
Petroleum Blues is not just a cute poem, it is about the basic short-sided, narrow-mindedness of humanity.
At this point, even if humanity were to unify behind a common set of moral integrity, I think it is too late for most of humanity to survive, if not all of humanity to survive another 500 - 1000 years. Only time will tell.
There exists no guarantees humanity will past the more wholistic intellectual smart-test for their longer term existence on Earth.
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@Greyparrot
France knows best.
..."France has a policy of reprocessing SNF for new nuclear fuel followed by disposal of the resulting ILW. France also has a nuclear weapons program that has generated significant ILW. Their underground rock laboratories are in clay and granite. The French Parliament confirmed deep geological disposal for nuclear waste in 2006, and the waste containers are to be retrievable and the policy “reversible”.
..This leads to significantly higher costs......
....Sail it out to a deep ocean trench and drop it in. This is not a bad idea geologically – cold impermeable, oxygen-free, self-sealing ooze that will eventually get dragged down into the trench formed between two colliding crustal plates.
---{already addressed this fairy tale above in a seperate post}-----
But trenches are in international waters, and if you thought getting 50 States in the U.S. to agree on a single solution was hard, just think 193 sovereign nations."....
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...The remainder of this paper will address only deep geological disposal on land, as this is currently the preferred disposal option throughout the OECD countries and, indeed, worldwide.
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Disposal in geological formations under the stable, deep ocean floor, also called subseabed disposal, is conceptually similar to deep geological disposal on land, but there are a few notable differences.
...Whether the waste is emplaced in the relatively soft near-seabed unconsolidated sediments, or in the underlying consolidated sediments or even deeper basalt, the emplacement technology is not entirely defined. A major difference, however, would be
.....the enormous dilution capacity provided by the ocean, should the containment system prematurely fail and allow substantial releases of radionuclides to the ocean floor --{ out-of-sight out-of-mind and diluted in a finite ocean on a finite Earth }--- the sea life always gets the shaft of humanity. Garbage, just dump it into the sea. Let the marine life deal with it.
...Another significant difference is that this disposal would be ideally suited for the establishment of international cooperative activities, although using the high sea, which is common property, represents a major political complication. Nonetheless, subseabed disposal is currently the only other disposal option under serious consideration as an alternative to deep geologic disposal on land.
....With regard to other disposal options that have been discussed in OECD countries, disposal of HLW on the ocean floor in some kind of highly engineered containment would not be internationally acceptable at this stage.
....Disposal in glaciated areas, in Antarctica for example, would require substantial changes to international legal and political agreements.
....Disposal into space would provide the greatest degree of isolation from man's environment, but its practicality, cost, technological complexity, and potential risks all argue against it at the moment.
.....Finally, nuclear transmutation, the conversion of long-lived radionuclides into shorter-lived or even stable nuclides, is not considered feasible in the near future."......
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@Alec
..."Currently, there is a global stockpile of around 250,000 tonnes of highly radioactive spent fuel distributed across some 14 countries.
Most of this fuel remains in so-called "cooling pools" at reactor sites that lack secondary containment and remain vulnerable to a loss of cooling. Some lack a source of back-up power.
...French oversight bodies have already raised concerns about capacity of massive cooling pools in Normandy at the La Hague site.
In response, energy giant Orana, which manages the site, said in a statement that "there is not risk of saturation of the pools in La Hague until 2030."
Most of this fuel remains in so-called "cooling pools" at reactor sites that lack secondary containment and remain vulnerable to a loss of cooling. Some lack a source of back-up power.
.....The partial meltdown of Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant in 2011 made clear that the high-heat hazard of spent fuel pools is not hypothetical.
......The 100-page report, compiled by a panel of experts, dissected shortcomings in the management of voluminous waste in France, which has the second largest nuclear reactor fleet (58) after the United States (about 100).
..."There is no credible solution for long-term safe disposal of nuclear waste in France," the report said.
...French oversight bodies have already raised concerns about capacity of massive cooling pools in Normandy at the La Hague site.
In response, energy giant Orana, which manages the site, said in a statement that "there is not risk of saturation of the pools in La Hague until 2030."
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@Greyparrot
That explains why French fries are so popular and nothing about nuclear waste storage. GP, you live in fantasy land of irrational, illogical lack of common sense out-of-sight, then out-of-mind.France knows best.
..."A geologist might point out that subduction is not really secure. At relatively shallow levels, subducting plates become chemically altered, releasing a slurry of serpentine minerals that eventually erupt in large mud volcanoes on the seafloor. Imagine those spewing plutonium into the sea! Fortunately, by that time, the plutonium would have long since decayed away.
..Even the fastest subduction is very slow - geologically slow. The fastest-subducting location in the world today is the Peru-Chile Trench, running along the west side of South America. There, the Nazca plate is plunging beneath the South America plate at around 7-8 centimeters (or approximately 3 inches) per year. It goes down at about a 30-degree angle. So if we put a barrel of nuclear waste in the Peru-Chile Trench (never mind that it's in Chilean national waters), in a hundred years it will move 8 meters - as far away as your next-door neighbor. Not exactly an efficient means of transport.
...High-level uranium decays to its normal, pre-mined radioactive state within 1,000-10,000 years. In 10,000 years, those waste barrels would have moved, at maximum, just .8 kilometers (half a mile). They would also lie only a few hundred meters deep - remember that every other subduction zone is slower than this.
....After all of that time, they could still be easily dug up by whatever future civilization cares to retrieve them. After all, have we left the Pyramids alone? Even if future generations left the waste alone, the seawater and seafloor life would not, and the odds are good that the barrels would corrode and be breached."...
.."Ignoring geology, let's consider the logistics of containing, transporting and disposing of thousands of barrels each year. Multiply the amount of waste (which will surely grow) by the odds of shipwreck, human accidents, piracy and people cutting corners. Then estimate the costs of doing everything right, every time.
A few decades ago, when the space program was new, people often speculated that we could launch nuclear waste into space, maybe into the sun. After a few rocket explosions, nobody says that any more: the cosmic incineration model is infeasible. The tectonic burial model, unfortunately, isn't any better."...
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@Vader
I love cosmic stuff and never had any outstanding teachers of science that said anything I can remmember. I recall one science teacher talking more about the next world war starting in the middle east and he was stating this in 1968.i hate chemistry. my teacher was a lazy prick and never taught. i never liked chemsitry and now i know it is waste of my time
What I'm considering in this thread is theoretical speculations in regards to sub-atomic physics and not molecular chemistry i.e. interactions between atoms in molecular configurations.
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@Greyparrot
..."Using Department of Energy data, the inhalation of 360,000 Bq of Pu-239 would result in a whole-body radiation dose to an average adult over a 50-year period between 580 rem and nearly 4300 rem, depending on the solubility of the compounds inhaled. The material was most likely an oxide, which is relatively insoluble, corresponding to the lower bound of the estimate. But without further information on the material form, the best estimate would be around 1800 rem.
....What is the health impact of such a dose? For isotopes such as plutonium-239 or americium-241, which emit relatively large, heavy charged particles known as alpha particles, there is a high likelihood that a dose of around 1000 rem will cause a fatal cancer. This is well below the radiation dose that the most highly exposed worker will receive over a 50-year period. This shows how costly a mistake can be when working with plutonium.
...The workers are receiving chelation therapy to try to remove some plutonium from their bloodstream. However, the effectiveness of this therapy is limited at best, especially for insoluble forms, like oxides, that tend to be retained in the lungs".
What is the safe volume of radioactive substance in human body? Depends on the ionizing substance. Some more toxic than others. Some have PU239 has half-life of 24,000 plus year.
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@Greyparrot
GP you need to come to your senses by smelling the roses of truth.
..."The Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982 dictated that the federal government would identify a permanent geological repository—a long-term storage site—and begin transferring waste from nuclear power plants to that repository by 1998. A decade and a half after that deadline, the search for a repository site has stalled, with no resolution likely in the near future."....
the waste is tiny in volume
How much volume of a single ionizing particle does it take to cause cancer or other genetic deformities that can be passed on to future generations?
and completely controllable.
Ex the weather, geophysics and climate are completely controlable. GP your living in fantasy land of denial and false beliefs.
France's approach by sinking nuclear waste miles down into the ocean is brilliant, as even if a phenomenally small happenstance caused the containment to leak, the immense volume of the ocean ensures there will be less radiation from the leak than background radiation.
Ok so lets say we send it to the center of the Earth. ---ain't gonna happen--- Can it come back via volcanoes in the sea or other and and any of those connections to volcanoes?
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@Alec
.."The Trump administration, as always, has figured out a unique way to slash through this Gordian knot: --- { of nuclear waste }---
The U.S. government on Wednesday will reclassify some of the nation’s most dangerous radioactive waste to lower its threat level, outraging critics who say the move would make it cheaper and easier to walk away from cleaning up nuclear weapons production sites in Washington state, Idaho and South Carolina. The U.S. Department of Energy said labeling some high-level waste as low level will save $40 billion in cleanup costs across the nation’s entire nuclear weapons complex.That’s the answer for weapons-grade nuclear waste, but what about the stuff from power plants? That’s even easier: just reclassify it as agricultural waste and compost it. Liberals, with all their yammering about “policy” and “plans” and “safety” would never have thought of this. Only the Trumpies, who came to office promising to disrupt the tired old bureaucracy with insights gained from building golf courses, could have come up with this. Huzzah!"....….The waste is housed at the Savannah River Plant in South Carolina, the Idaho National Laboratory and Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington state….The new rules would allow the Energy Department to eventually abandon storage tanks containing more than 100 million gallons (378 million liters) of radioactive waste in the three states, according to the Natural Resources Defense Council.
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@Greyparrot
@Ramshutu
Good luck having any rational, logical common sense disscussion with GP.There is more than just Solar PV - and the fact you’re fixating on this one, and arguing as if itre limitations of a single type of technology extend to all renewables is not particularly intellectually honest approach to the subject, no?
Neither of you have begun to consider the nuclear waste issues --ergo consequences for seven generations out--
Nor a world-energy-grid that connects day and night sides of planet ergo "peak energy" values are more than adequately covered with all forms of energy production, and that doe not even include untapped Himalayan gravity fed hydro-electric potentials.
95% of humanity is very narrow/short minded.
Some of the Native American Indians approach was to consider seven generations out into the future.
Too many people, who are all too greedy and within a shorter and shorter little time period remaining, if any, to correct our mistakes.
Many of the above are a resultant of our not having a wholistically forward thinking unified humanity.
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Tried something new in regards to the following operations, in trying to find how the 0.0077 would associate to three of my helix-based numerical tori of an octahedron.
3.14 = Pi
3.113 * 66.4 = 206.7032 approximate electron-muon mass ...{ this latter begin the value R Feynman says ever physicist has on his wall }......
0.0077 * 66.4 = 0.511 28 approximate electron mass is ok but does not associate rationally with even one whole numerical torus much less three, ergo I tried something new and got a surprise value.
8623.3 7 66 2 33 7 66 2 33 7 66 2 33 7 66 233766
So this operation of dividing 66.6 ---revolutions of helix around the tube of whole torus?--- gave me the above value. Not sure what to do with it, but I at least get a rational whole number set { 8632 } that may some how relate-able to helix based numerical torus.
Anyway that 862 and 3.3 7 66 2 33 7 66 would pop out takes me back to;
Pi^3 = 31.00 62 7 66 80
even tho there is no 33 in the latter value.
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What I'm looking for is a rational, logical way to adjust Pi instead of adjusting 66.4 revolutions of torus, in regards to my numerical torus
Actually not looking for way to " adjust ", I'm actually looking for way to justify the accounting Ive already identified, within context of my numerical, inverted-outverted torus, or some integral set of three or more great tori.
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3.113 * 66.4 = 206.7032 approximate electron-muon mass
0.0077 * 66.4 = 0.511 28 approximate electron mass
More inversions associated with torus would seem to create a greater mass ergo adjusting to a higher set { frequency } of inversions { (><)(><) } to arrive the lesser Pi-value 0.00077 does not seem correct pathway.
What if the Pi-value and my adjusted Pi-value of 3.113 is somehow associated something else Ive not yet considered. Ex what if the adjusted Pi-value 3.113 is associated to some greater number of tori. Ex let the greater number of tori be 206.7032 or even higher.
Then we can have the adjusted Pi-value 0.0077 can be more likened to a lesser number of tori.
The question becomes what is the number of tori for a unit value of 1, relative to 0.0077?
The differrence between 1 and 0.0077 is 0.9923.
If 0.0077 is equal to 3 great tori, then multiply 3 by 0.9923 to find our base unity of tori. Yes?
I say three because that is correlates to my past years of associating the electron with the contracted cubo-octahedron as an octahedron ergo three great planes.
3{ tori } * 0.923 = 2.9769...H.mmm?
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@zedvictor4
Are we the real motivators or is everything actually self motivated?
Our eternally existent and finite occupied space Universe, is the only perpetual-motion-machine.
See 1st law of thermodynamics, that, does not take into account gravity or dark energy.
My explorations have led to the following conclusions via my discovery of all prime numbers ---except 2 and 3-- falling on the same line in semi-linear 1Dimension and on two radii of a hexagon in 2D.
( ) = positive shaped geodesic gravity found on outer surface of a torus based on ssequential enumeration and inversion-outversion ---ex (><)--- at peak of outer curvature
......alll prime numbers except 2 and 3 fall on this outer semi-great circle peak...........
)( = negative shaped geodesic of dark energy as found on inner surface torus based on my sequential enumeration and inversion-outversion ---ex <)(>(---- at peak of negative curvature
.......0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27, 30, 33, 36 etc triangulated fundamentals of Observed Time Reality...
/\/\/ = resultant sine-wave associated with reality{ Observed Time } inside the tube of the same torus mentioned above
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Possible related findings to above are as follows;
3.14 = Pi i.e. great circle related to diameter of same circle
I.e., 0.511 plus 206.2462826 = the mass ofmuon-electron 206.7572826
Above, I change the value of Pi{ 3.14 } to 0.0077
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Part Two
Here is how I arrived at my Pi-Time value of 66.4
97.40 90 9 10 34 00 24 37 = Pi to the 4th power{ Pi^4 } and time is considered as 4th Dimension{ not 3D space } after XYZ,3D space 4th D is classically Time.
97.40 minus 31{ seeXYZ aka 3D below } = 66.4 ergo Pi-Time is what left over once we remove XYZ {3D } space value 31.
31.00 62 7 66 is resultant of Pi^3 andthat is #7 in the overall 7th position as found in Pi^3{ XYZ aka 3D } 31.00
…see below Part Four.....
24.35 22 7 27 is resultant of Pi^4 divided by 4 ---division by 4 is my process of ...'renormalization'...---- and that is #7 in 7th position as foundin Pi^4/4{ re-normalization } aka Pi-Time { 66.4 } wherein no ..'renormalization'... process is done and rather we just subtract the XYZ value of 31 from Pi^4.
…see below Part Four.....
'renormalization' process is my attempt to make Pi^4 power be equilvant to XYZ 3rd powering process ergo returning 4th power to a cartesian { 90 degree } associated value. This is interesting to me because those two numbers associate with the following;
31 = total primary great circle planes of the 5-fold icosa(20}hedron curved or Euclidean
24 = number of chords of the 4-fold cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron aka Vector Equilbrium aka jitterbug see LINK 1
and LINK 2
5-fold Icosahedron has 30 chords and 31 great circles
4-fold Cubo-octahedron has 25 great circle/polygonal plane and 24 chords
So we see a reversal of values as the associate to Pi when compared to actual two polyhedra under consideration above.
(><)(><) = icon or bisection representation of torus with inversions, wherein each torus I consider to be a vector{ 3D or 4D } that is representative one great circle of the two polyhedral mentioned above
And again, this torus idea ---inside-outing of the four line/levels---- stems from my original prime number discovers as found on semi-linear four line/levels{ see below } and a hexagon in 2D.
0..............................6......................................12...........................................18...................
.....1....................5.........7........................11.............13..........................17............19...................
...........2..........4..................8..........10.............................14...........16...........................20................
................3..............................9.............................................15...........................................21......
Compare the above to Arthur Youngs similar, not exactly the same explorations, wherein he starts with number 1 and I start with number 0.
Here below is my inside-outing of the above and led me to my iverted-outever torus ideas, and again, on differrent pathway than Arthur arrived at torus ideas.
......1..............................5p..............7p...............................11p............13p..................................17p.............19p..............................23p
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0.............................................6...................................................12......................................................18................................................
.....................3..................................................9.......................................................15......................................................21.................
..............2............4.....................................8............10.....................................14..............16.....................................20............22............
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@Greyparrot
I am personally appalled at the excessive biomass of insects slaughtered solely to support a vegan lifestyle.
"A question of balance".... Moody Blues
“Some have to die, so others may live.”
To live within a standard-of-living that does not cause excessive strain on the ecological environment that sustains us all.
It is a question of balance.
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@keithprosser
it may be that philosophy is more useful for discovering errors than uncovering truths.
There exists no errors in a cause and effect Universe i.e. it is all good in that the integerity of our finite, occupied space Universe is never violated.
The only error is in humans inability to find the order in a seemingly disorderly set of circumstances.
J-6....I am just wondering. Sometimes it seems we are all just running around in circles/
Occupied space Universe is finite ergo we can never get outside of occupied space Universe and we are forced to come back around to places we have been, or places that share the same inviolate cosmic laws/principles.
Memory is the going back { recall } to those sensations from whence the original experience occurred.
On the other hand there is no reversing of the arrow-of-time i.e..." we cannot return to the womb"... B Fuller......
>>> forward >>>>>> ( * i * ) >>>> forward >>>>>>> Entropic ex Dark Energy )(
<<< Past Out <<<<< ( * i * ) <<<< In Future <<<<<< Syntropic ex Gravity ( )
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@TheRealNihilist
Soul = biologic. Simple not difficult to grasp.Souls don't exist and spirituality has yet to be proven.
Four kinds of spirit;
1} metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 } spirit-of-intent { free will } is predetermined by cause and effects of chemistry vai quantum mechanics,
2} Spirit-2 { physical/energy/Obsereved Time aka quanta } fermions, bosons and aggregate collection thereof, ex photons, electrons, molecules, biologics, planets, etc,
3} Spirit-3, gravity ( ) as a positive shaped geodesic of Space,
4} Spirit-4, dark energy )( as negative shaped geodesic of Space.
.....( t )( t )....i,e, Space-Time-Space
Mechanisms of brain function include mind-over-matter ex placebo effect occurs 10% of time in some lab experiments.
Personal experience recently happen this way. Ive had a pinched nerve somewhere causing generalize leg aches, with sometimes very specific areas of pain as well as itching on top of foot sometimes, numbness thigh and in lower leg and in foot, as well as tingling in lower leg and less often occasional burning sensation of toes for 2 and half month.
Ive been to three chiropractors and done various stretches etc for pyformis { but muscles } syndrome, Ice hot baths, naproxin etc and nothing seems to relieve ---except staying off standing on that leg-- and the symptons got worse last few days. So much so that Ive felt need to limp last two days.
Then yesterday I was tasked with the training of a new person and this requires lost of walking. So I had done my second dexatrim green tea, green coffeee, probitotics etc type pill and began the 1 and half hour training. Near the end of the fast tracked training I told new person, that, I had stopped limping and hadnte noticed any pain in a while.
He stated that my mind was elsewhere focused on passing on the training info to him. He was correct.
Whats the ole saying, if your toe is hurting then hit your thumb with a hammer and you wont notice your toe pain any more.
So after he left my pain and limping began soon after if not immediately. I told him before he left that maybe it was the speed pill I had taken that relieved the pain and the feeling for a need to limp.
My mother, with her Seagrams 7 in one hand and Winston ciggerates in the other, she did her best to practice Christian Science { mind-over-matter } and pass on those moral teachings to myself and my sister.
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@Swagnarok
As for an actual war, I don't think so,
"War is obsolete"...B Fuller 1969
..."Finally, he concludes by stating that whilst the knowledge of how to make war can never be expunged, it is declining as an institution due to its perceived favourability – its unwise and unbeneficial.[15] He maintains the possibility that, like duelling and slavery, it can be abolished because it is a product of the human mind, and it can end there too.
...He argues that opponents of war have become increasingly successful at doing so, and the ‘long peace’ since World War Two is more a result of the culmination of a long trend of increasing averseness to conflict, rather than a reaction to more powerful weaponry. Whilst he insists conflict will not become extinct, it is possible for human conflict to no longer be resolved with violence."
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@Greyparrot
Trumpanzees are like a box of chocolates, There are nuts in some of this cultist { Trumpist } movement.D-Pirates......Muslims are like a box of chocolates.
Most are all sweet even as they rot out our teeth { morals and decency }.
And they give energy for repression of pregnant women, racism and the dumb ideas of more guns { weapons } is better for humanities survival on Earth.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Your confused as Ive never ever stated what you falsely claim above. Ive owned a rifle, gone shooting of rifles and pistol with my buddies, and been in a few turkey shoots with miltary people and police officers and more.You not liking guns has nothing to do with rights.
I'm actually a moderately good shot with no trainging and won at least one turkey.
None of that changes my opinion that more guns { weapons } on Earth is dumb. M.A.D tranlsates to NUTs when it comes to humans barbaric ways.
Humanity seems intent on killing humanicide on Earth. If you think more guns will help then good luck with that.
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@Alec
Truth is truth irrespective of who states, when or where it is stated.Your a troll
When you have any rational, logical common sense that adds to invalidates my comments as stated, please share.
Otherwise, you need to keep your freakin nose *v* out of pregnant womens bodily business unless they give you their consent.
This is simple no brainer that even 10 year old can grasp. Do you understand the words coming out of my mind?
I think you do and, I think will now mimize your immoral and indecent repression of pregnant women, if not all women in general, and be more considerate of being a woman, not a man. Thank You!
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@Alec
It is metaphyscial-1, mind/intellect/conceptual rape for any person to stick their nose *v* into a pregnant womans bodily business unless she gives her consent.
Conceptual rapists need to fined and/or spend time in prison for their immoral and indecent actions.
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