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D-Pirate....women died before these laws even when it's "legal" so....

it's far safer to not get pregnant when you don't want to, you'd agree with that wouldn't you?

 I'm not a lawyer.

In the end, Congress needs to decide if a fetus is worthy of personhood, just as they decided a slave was worthy of personhood

G-Parrot incorrect yet again.  What humanity has to decide is whether pregnant women and women in general are going to continue to be repressed because of their sex.

Mainly I believe this all stems male feelings of inferiority complex aka inferiority complex.  Man { Xy | is not as complex as woman { Xx } and certainly never do anything nearly as complex a bearing a new human being into Universe.

Only a woman can do that and we have had the patriarch of man overcompensating for his less complex existence via repression of woman as underlying conscious or even subconscious state of misplaced feeling of inferiority.

I think the punishment for premarital sex(under some situations) in of it's self should be a fine of $500.

 The punishment for killing an innocent unborn human being should be the death penalty.

I don't know. Why were non-slave owners so interested in making slaves legal persons? It's none of their business right?

This comment appears to be a brain fart. Comparing slaves to a fetus is irrational, illogical lack of common sense repression of pregnant women.

Simple not difficult to grasp for those who seek truth, justice and liberty to control our personal bodies and more so when those actions to do not affect others directly.

You are a living person who may or may not pass on germs to me and cause me to get sick. You have rights. The unborn do not.

Effecting a whole community and effecting one's own body are not he same thing. You keep talking about born people.

The unborn are not people.

As I've said many times, mindless forces cannot be rational so if our beliefs are the selection of mindless forces, our beliefs would not be rationally selected.

"mindless forces" is meaingingless ergo Fallanese has yet to ever offer us any rational, logical common sense statements in these regardless.

Bosonic forces ex photon in of themselves have nothing to do with metaphyscal-1, mind/intellect/concept and ego.

Bosonic force gluons { strong sub-nuclear } is same as above.

Bosonic mesons { strong nuclear } force between hadrons.

Bosnic weak forces { W+ W- and.Zo }

None of these, in of themselves are relevant to metaphysical-1 mind/intellect/concepts and ego. They are mindless forces.

Access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts does not gurrantte access to rational, logical common sense and Fallanese is evidence of this truth and fact.

Determinism can never be rationally accepted if it is true.

One would be compelled to accept or not accept determinism in the same sense that a boulder is compelled to roll down a hill upon the force of gravity.

Everything we think and do would be installed by mindless forces.

Since mindless forces cannot make rational choices, and since our choices would be the sole product of mindless forces, a choice to accept determinism would not and could not be rational.

To say the universe 'may' need some kind of builder isn't an illogical assumption to make

But I do believe that minimizing pain is the right thing to do.

Guns are in the Constitution, terrorism is not.

Any opinion on our current policy of burning food instead of feeding?

No idea what you talking about. sorry.

Fullers viewpoint?

Haven't seen too much from you and with what I have seen it is difficult to understand you. Forgive me if it is taking time for me to understanding how you type.

I call this a weakness of our senses or a limitation. Am I wrong?

I can't complete see it but maybe it is too dark for me to see the pattern.

Trump already has his talking points from his latest rally. The DNC is the party of open borders.

Also, there's the thing where you want to screw over ranchers

As usually you appear to be confused, as Ive never eve stated you comment above.

Even cattle ranchers want clean air, clean water and non toxic beef and they want to survive ---and their children-- not die from Erratic Climate Change, Nucelar war an increasing toxic environment.

In fact, there is a dude who promotes a win/win solution via many USA prairie states massive growing of

if there was a meat replacement which was equal in nutrition, cost and taste then I would use the replacement, but until then.....

I addressed this previously in this thread{?}. Since sometime into the industrial age, humans no longer need to eat meat to get there nutrional vitamin and mineral needs.  "Taste"  is insignificant when compared to beef industrys deteriment to climate. This should be a minimal brainer even for a Trumpanzee.

As usual, Trumpanzees are short sighted { narrow-minded } when it comes to comprehensive considerations of "cost" to ecological environment that sustains human life on Earth vs the desire for food that tastes like char-coaled meat { flesh } over the open flame.

Erratic Climate Change vs I want my beef flavor ...waah waah waah...

Duhh, are their any sane adults still on Earth, that, still have access to rational, logical common sense?

Any limit on will does not make it free. It is not freedom of speech if there are restrictions. Same applies to will.

Less options not freedom. Freedom is to do what you want but that is never ever the case. People abide by laws or rules put upon themselves.

There can be room of uncertainty in an ordered universe but that has remain to be seen.

Omar,,,,This in no way answers if we have free will or not. 

It comes down to this: we should act as if we have freewill, because we don't have any choice.

Rational, logical common sense statements still exist ! +10

D-Pirated...I see a vast difference between humans and animals, far more than any similarities.

Frankly, that is none of your business though.  I would like you to act a bit more politely towards me in the future.

D-Pirate...what we can agree on

The more guns { weapons M.A.D. aka NUTs } in existence the easier is for humans to get shot intentionally or by accident.

A minimal brainer is a minimal brainer irrespective of the irrelevant spin gun toters attempt to appjy this issue within a humanity that appears intent on humanicide, one way{ nuclear bombs }  or another { climate }.

And the one way may be causal effect of the another way.

Large and very toxic petroleum chemical spin in Missippi delta yesterday.  YIKEs!  A small EXON Valdeez repeat.

Human who fart in church must sit in own pew....Confuscius

I am just "for pro-life" for humans.

I guess that means your also a pro-birther Trumpanzee or, were a pro-birther when it was all the Trump rage?

That immoral rage against Obama, and,
the immoral rage against the right of woman to choose what  occurs with her physiology,

is of much greater moral concern then vegans, or eating a vegan once they have  died.

The topic I am currently discussing is Trump and Trump derangement syndrome.

No gun laws will fix that.

And more guns is not going to fix societies ills either and that is what you pro-liferating-gun-toters people dont get.

That more and more guns is more and more dumb for humanity, except it may help to curb overpopulation but is the dumbest and a most hurtful way for humanity to curb the over population problem.

I guess you pick what you want but you can't pick the choices that you have open to you at that time with specific mindset you have.

Thats called limited free will ex ...'an airplane pilot has limited amount abilities to will a plane headed toward earth in death spiral dive.'...B Fuller

The less experience of the pilot then the inherent less degrees-of-freedom { options } available to the pilot.

Uncertainty does not neccessitate chaos nor does in validate random disorder i.e. there can only exist order of Universe.

The lack of order is only humans inability to find that order.

Unlike the Beatles however, the extreme emotional reaction alleged to characterize TDS is not based on adoration and admiration, but on fear and loathing."

Yes I fear a narrcisstic, pathalogical --if not also sociopathic--- lying president --see Stromy Karen and 9000+ lies---  that has in past  surruonded himself corrupt liars and thugs who have been charged and found guilty of those charges, or they left office and the amount of changover ---or mostly left unfilled posotions in these past two years breaks any other presidents by far.

Now he has surrounded himself and not independent thinker that offer checks and balances on Trumps irrational, illogical lack of common sense thought processess.

And the rest is covered in my previous post that your apparrently ignorant of for whatever reasons. Oh yeah the economy  is good so morals, order and sanity do not matter. Perhaps that is your botom line.  Money money money and more money. ($)($) is perhaps all your mind can consider.

Trump ($)($) aka  1 billion dollar loser, is running on coatails of Obama who pulled USA out of worst recession ever in USA history.

Oh yeah you and millions of others still chanting birther long after Trumps rallying call of lies fell flat.

Time to grab some strange womans p____ ---and much worse rascist biggoted actions---    as long as these autrocrats are in power and tearing apart USA's democracy. Sad :-(
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They can have a new predator; humans.

If you want to fix the environment, get solar panels.  Until you get those, it's kindof hypocritical.  Besides, I thought you wanted to save animal lives.  Eating meat is not archaic.

It's possible to survive on a vegan diet.  However, some people like meat for the taste.  They should be allowed to eat lab grown meat if they want once it becomes economically feasible.

Many farmers treat their chickens well.  It varies from farm to farm.

  I expect that when we have done that, there will be no deep mystery about human free will...........................(O)(O)(o)(o)(O)(O)...............

The appearance of free will -- illusory or not--.

The appearance of choice ---illusory or not--  independent from gravity and EMCharges.

1} (  )(  ) = Gravity Space and Dark Energy Space geodesic lines-of-relationhsip embrace the following set of two massess,

2} OO = two fermionic masses or two seemingly massless bosonic photons

3} ....... = background against which we observe 1and two above

4} .............................Us(O)(O).Us...........Them(O)(O)Them.........

5} If  Us and Them is the bilateral set of two hemi-spheres then we need a third set of geodesic or not, lines-of-relationship that connect the two hemi-sphere ex the corpus callosum. LINK

..........................(O)(O)(o)(o)(O)(O)...............

then we have the cerebrium { mid-brain } and the brainstem{ 12 - 24? } cranial nerves

I just think this rule of law should be followed in regards to war.

War is hell and all rules and regulations go out the window in the heat of battle

For that matter, many countries throw rules and regulations out the window before the war or battle even begins.

We have trinary set of excutive, congress and justice attemting to pull an autocratic power coup on the USA peoples and a majority of those peoples  cannot see what  is happenging and  that is for a few differrent reasons including to lazy to make sincere attempts to discern the truth.

The less educated are operating from fear based ignorance.

The educated are operating from the most immoral aspects of capitalism.

H,mmm who have I left out of this scenario?

 

Do you think hunting should be banned?  If so, how is it that different from eating meat from a farm?

Ive never ever suggested hunting should be banned even when friends accidentally shoot their friends ---Mr Vice president----.

Beef industry in its current state needs to end and the sooner the better. Other meats are a differrent story.

We do not live in black and white world Alec, and I think you sometimes overgeneralize too much.

I tend that way also altho it is usually from place of humanities survival on Earth or cosmic models.

I rest my case bwhahahahahah

Fine by me. And  I have no intention of resting my case to immoral taking autocratic power over USA citizens.

...'I'll give you my words{ oppinions } when you pry them from my pry or take it from my dead fingers{ lips }'......John Doe

H.mmm some how that does not have the same ring tone to it......?......

Thank you. We look forward to a productive discussion..... Bsh1, Chief Moderator

1) To encourage hunting of deer for food.  Deer are big animals, they provide more meat then chickens, so it makes sense to kill 1 deer to get the same amount of meat that you would have to kill 100s of chickens to get.  Plus, deer die relatively painlessly when shot.

2) To encourage people to eat beef instead of chicken.  A cow has more meat, so less of them die for the same amount of meat.

3) To encourage lab grown meat.  I think Lab grown meat requires virtually no animal death and with mass production, it becomes cheap.

These solutions can work.  Accusing people of torturing chickens for eggs when that is often not the case doesn't work.

If guns deter violence then why do all mass shooting involve guns?

Obviously the human came before the killing of other humans or invention of weapons designed to kill other animals and easy step to using same weapon to kill humans. Also it is clear to many that egg came before the chicken

There came a distinct change at some point on the purpose of the design of a weapon to be used on animals or human animal.

Some involve phosphate bombings Oklahoma Bombing Timorthey McViegh and Mike Nichols.

New York city pressure cooker bombing.

Tex Kachinskys mail package pipe bombs.

Japan saran gas in subways.

World trade center.

Nazis used gas to save on cost{?} of bullets

Guns { equalizer } as weapons are the Peackeeper/Peacemaker  was the colt 45.

Now their IBM's  intercontinental misslles

Omar...Are you saying I am right or are you saying the other person is?

They're wrong if they think children should carry. I'd go as far as making the carry age 25 yo when we know the frontal cortex has developed... and other restrictions like not giving carry to drug addicts or even recovered drug addicts bc they may be impulsive. We can make a good law out of it. I'm not saying throw all logic out the window and literally let everyone carry.

I agree with you. I wouldn't want this either. I think this stems from your assumption that gun debate side equals trump side so it must be a dumb idea... That's a huge error that is destroying our society currently... worse than any gun in my opinion. 

I can tell you haven't been around a lot of shooters before from your statements. I even doubt you've gone to a shooting range. Bc if you did, you'd see the people i'm talking about and how humbling it is to stand next to another person holding one of the most powerful things on this planet in their hand. You haven't felt that level of respect i'm assuming.

I'm one of the biggest dreamers you'll meet, but i refuse to daydream while people are dying. 

Did an animal consent to being murdered?

Alec----A tiny portion of them commit homicide.  Only a tiny portion.  The US ought to treat Muslims the same way we treat guns on the basis of terrorism/shootings.

Most of the people we today call 'conservatives' are liberals.

Except when it comes to conserving the ecological environment that sustains humanity on Earth.

Overpopulation for the systems we have in place, could be alleviated via,

1} globally free condoms that are designed for man and woman,

2} the day after abortion pill,

3} global sex education for those most at risk of having hormone driven sex -----teenagers----,

4} a equalizer { gun } ---more wealthy do not get a better or larger gun as that defeats the purpose of equalizer---  for every person that can aim and shoot, and let the subsequent shooting frenzy expand at its natural rate,

5} global law banning all bullet proof clothing and again, wealth people are not allow to gain any disequalizing advantages,

6}  night vision googles is also a  must for all humans since they will be going out at night.

7} h,mmmm I'm forgetting something in this global population equalizer { gun } scenario....?.....

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This is the thread for talking veganism.

.....'I ate a vegan the other night for dinner and I think they taste as good as a meat eater or vegetarian'.......Hannibal the Cannibal

D-Pirates....sanctions really to work apparently and I think Trump is just fine with turning the screws.  He doesn't need to do anything else.

I don't either, but I am praying for President Trump to make the right decision.

That is one thing needed to keep a garage standing.

I'm sorry... for someone that makes out to be intellectual, this reply is idiotic.

Who in their right mind is saying give everyone a gun.

I want people with protector hearts to carry. People that would face death bc they want nothing more but to protect people. I want those guys / girls to have a gun bc i know they will be that protector when shit goes down.

Why are you so scared of guns?

I almost feel it's bc people are bullies in real life and they are scared that they can't be mean to people anymore bc they'll be afraid of them if they had a gun. I say... Good! Everyone should fear a fellow man if they intend to do them harm.

You're living in a fantasy. We will never, or anytime in the near future, get rid of all weapons on earth.

In a short time, people will be able to make whatever weapon they want... we are evolving.

You are talking about a fake scenario where i need to go find an infinity stone and ask thanos to snap his fingers and change reality... that's how ridiculous your position is. And all along the way... Innocent people are dying bc of people like "you" with a pipe dream. 

We are talking about levels of attentiveness to existing information not outside signals.

True for the most part, however we cannot rule out gravitational Space and Dark Energy Space effects on our physiology. Most scientist say it is not enough to be of any significance. I'm not convinced.

And we cannot rule out ultra-low frequency EMRadiation effects on our physiology.

In both case I think there exist a resonance phenomena that I likened to entrainment.

And letting people be sitting ducks is sane? 

I really don't know what will fix this other than fixing ourselves and rethinking our priorities.

Getting fixed is a phrase also used for neutering an animal.

Getting a fix on a location aka triangulating.

Satisfying a fix { fixation } is also used for acquiring the drug their addicted to.

Producing more guns and making  them more easily ccessable to all people is M.A.Destruction or N.U.Ts

Mass murder by sick-n-the-head people is harder to do with kitchen utensil.  So they will start looking for farmers phosphate ---Timothery McVeigh and Terry Nichiols ---- if they have the intellectual abilities and then they can take out even more people than they could with an assault weapon.

The homegrown militia-men have not gone away, they have evovled into the racist alt-right. Duhh, ..'nice people on both sides'.... states Con-Artist-Trump