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right now I am still looking like one of the worst debaters on this site but with all stats combined I am somehow not terrible.Total wins: 182Total ties: 48Total losses: 142As you can see I still have only 40% lose rate so I am still good.
that is a bunch of debates. I only just now saw you are also 9SpaceKing@DDO! We should find another subject to debate. Do I understand correctly that a lot of your topics originate from a Chinese game show?
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I have been the most consistent player with my reads and scum tells
Sorry but that's lie #5
DP1, you noted that croc's claim was bold and that him seeming scummy was his town pattern. "obviously just being lazy," you said. Now , you want to lynch him for his town pattern. You changed your mind after COP survived DP1 unexpectedly.
Furthermore, I wouldn't say that consistency is a particularly TOWN attribute, would you? After all, we TOWN are blind, the only way we win is by reacting intelligently to new information. TOWN is more or less forced to be inconsistent but SCUM sees the bigger picture and is better able to project improved consistency.
Consistency is not particularly indicative.
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@Intelligence_06
->@oromagiI tried red square because most of the time I take con and I want it to blend in to give a mysterious taste. Now that the site added borders to pfp on most cases it just makes me look like a dumb dumb.If it is the old layout, then I will keep it.Either way, I think Croc is the better target for vote. Just wait. If he does anything fits not within, hammer it in.
I used David Byrne's quarter from the cover art of one of my all time favorite albums, Remain in Light, to produce the same effect.
Lost my shape
Trying to act casual!
Can't stop
I might end up in the hospital
I'm changing my shape
I feel like an accident
They're back!
To explain their experience
Isn't it weird?
Looks too obscure to me
Wasting away
And that was their policy
I'm ready to leave
I push the fact in front of me
Facts lost
Facts are never what they seem to be
Nothing there!
No information left of any kind
La-la-la-lifting my head
La-la-la-looking for the danger signs
There was a lineThere was a formulaSharp as a knifeFacts cut a hole in usThere was a lineThere was a formulaSharp as a knifeFacts cut a hole in usI'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
The feeling returns
Whenever we close out eyes
Lifting my head
looking around inside
The island of doubt
It's like the taste of medicine
Working by hindsight
Got the message from the oxygen
Ma-ma-ma-Making a list
Find the cost of opportunity
Doing it right
Facts are useless in emergencies
The feeling returns
Whenever we close out eyes
Lifting my head
Looking around inside.
FACTS are SIMPLE and FACTS are STRAIGHT
FACTS are LAZY and FACTS are LATE
FACTS ALL COME with POINTS of VIEW
FACTS DON'T do WHAT I WANT THEM to.
FACTS JUST TWIST the TRUTH AROUND
FACTS are LIVING TURNED INSIDE OUT
FACTS are GETTING the BEST of THEM
FACTS are NOTHING on the FACE of THINGS
FACTS DON'T STAIN the FURNITURE
FACTS go OUT and SLAM the DOOR
FACTS are WRITTEN ALL OVER YOUR FACE
FACTS CONTINUE to CHANGE THEIR SHAPE
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
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He claims he can’t die in the night
This is your fourth lie.
- You say you claimed early but you claimed last
- Elijah Price was played by SLJ in Unbreakable but you said otherwise
- Speed claimed BLEEDER but you say that technically SPEED did not claim BLEEDER
- I never said I can't die. I explained that if I die by lynching my game ends but if I am killed NPx, I return > DPx+1
All this lying is consistent with Supa's scum game.
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@Vader
The fact that a cop exists is scummy.
The fact that this sentence exists is scummier.
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@Intelligence_06
I liked the red box. I used to use a plain green square like that as a kind of content-free emoji to bewilder my co-workers. "What does it mean?" they'd ask but alas, I never stumbled upon a satisfactory explanation.
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@Intelligence_06
Ok, so there is no cc for cop because there is already a jk. There is no need for a cop to exist. Am I missing anything here?
A no COP game is not inconceivable but a game with one town WATCHER for intel while scum has a ROLE COP seems unbalanced. But scum wouldn't be thinking that way half way thru DP1...unless they actually knew for sure there was no COP that would just be to big and unnecessary a risk. Nor can I see croc running with such a plan nor can I see Speed advising such a course. ......NOR can I see croc play acting that no-SLJ gambit simultaneously and for no reason ....NOR can I see croc reading up enough about his character to discover that there were two different movies, his slow catching up is at least consistent with prior gameplay.
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@skittlez09
croc is not likely scum since he claimed COP quite early without CC
Vote supa or not at all, please.
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#54I misread, kid him was played by that person, apologies
that would have made a nice false theme frame for Croc- both played by somebody else first.
Of course, Nick Fury was first portrayed by David Hasselhoff in 1998 which brings a whole new meaning of "bad ass" into play.
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Because I full claimed in Post #7 before I knew themeI did the same thing as well. So this is relatively invalidI have you down as last to claim. Show me this early claimYou also claimed last as Reincarnator.
False. I claimed DP1 #6 before you joined the game
What would Jesus do? breadcrumbed REINCARNATOR and NICK FURY
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@Mharman
@Crocodile
OK
after that exchange, I'm leaning Supa for scum.
Of course, COP could make this all quite easy. And the longer Mharman delays adds weight to the case against him.
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@Vader
-->@oromagiNOTE: Elijah Price was also played by a different actor in 2000 as well.
false. why you lie, brah?
Samuel L. Jackson as Elijah Price / Mr. Glass, a comic book theorist who has Type I osteogenesis imperfecta and was revealed to be the man behind the train crash incident.
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@Vader
Because I full claimed in Post #7 before I knew themeI did the same thing as well. So this is relatively invalid
I have you down as last to claim. Show me this early claim
Because I read and supported Intel's WATCHER claimI did the same thing too, plus I had a scum read on Speed the entire DP1
Non-indicative. Scum often sus their partners to create distance.
Because if Speed and I were scum together we'd never claim REINCARNATOR and BLEEDER within a couple of postsBut Speed did a fake CC on Intel with Tracker, so he technically did not claim Bleeder
That's a lie. He claimed BLEEDER and gave a believable character claim. He didn't CC Intel until caught standing over TUF's dead body.
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@Vader
So with your role, if you were to hypothetically die from the lynch in DP4, could you resurrect still?
No. Lynch takes me out of the game. If I am otherwise killed in DP3, I return at the end of NP3. If I am killed NP3, I return at the end of NP4. Town loses my vote during my absence.
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You randomly turned on DP2 though.
Nope. I was quite clear that SPEED got caught visiting the NK while claiming a non-visitor role. This is an almost automatic priority lynch. Strange that you seem to have forgotten that dramatic thing that happened yesterday.
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@Vader
How can you just keep him alive and not lynch him even when his play is bad. You allowing it to happen is giving him a pass
anti-town play =/= scum
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@Vader
-->@oromagiJohn Shaft wasn't even originally played by Samuel L Jackson.
I know. I said this before you did.
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@Vader
Like I said, that's simply not true in any regards. 2 investigative roles in a game is a huge red flag to me. Why would you have two powerful roles at all. I keep saying that JK is not a big power role. You lose an action from a power role if any, and a doctor that can't self heal is relying solely, and I say solely, on luck.
I've been in many, many games with both a COP and a WATCHER. However, MafiaWiki calls JK a RB + DOC. I'm increasingly convinced JK and DOC in a 9 man game does not make sense.
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@Vader
Also you are my second most likely scum. Why are you more town than I am.
Because I insisted that Speed must die when Mharman tried to turn the train on you.
Because I full claimed in Post #7 before I knew theme
Because I read and supported Intel's WATCHER claim
Because if Speed and I were scum together we'd never claim REINCARNATOR and BLEEDER within a couple of posts
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mharman is also quite sus-
- worst character claim- barely a speaking role from 1973 but that might match vanilla
- third VANILLA to claim- feels like one too many VANILLAs
- partnered with Speed vigorously all through DP1 and DP2- .
- said he was taking a break but then stayed for hours to defend after train started on Speed. Went dark same time as Speed in both DPs
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supa is quite sus.
- Supa is quite capable of skipping the NK to improve his DOC claim
- DOC and JK seem OP for a drafter game
- Supa was last to claim and was silent when TUF argued that JK precluded a DOC
- Supa's character claim is bad- a totally forgettable off-brand non-badass role.
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skittlez is null but has the advantage of solid claim early.
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@Vader
@Intelligence_06
I don't buy Croc as scum and I sus Supa for suggesting as much.
- Croc's play is always, consistently scummy and therefore not indicative.
- But Croc first claimed non-SLJ because he looked up the actor who played the original Shaft.
- Even without understanding that the theme was SLJ, Croc nailed the claim- John Shaft is a good match for COP.
- Croc claimed COP halfway thru DP1 when only one VANILLA claim was on the table. A huge risk if he's not a COP.
- His COP of TUF NP1 is convenient but not that unlikely a choice.
- He would have had Speed for scum partner.
- Speed would have told Croc the theme and
- advised against COP claim DP1.
- I just don't read Croc as that ambitious. After Intel, Croc is my second most town read.
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XLunatic Frozone JAILKEEPER
XDanielle Russell Franklin VANILLA
TOWN SLJ
Oromagi Nick Fury REINCARNATOR
Intelligence_06 Mace Windu WATCHER
Crocodile John Shaft COP
skittlez09 Ray Arnold VANILLA
Mharman Stan VANILLA
SupaDudz Dr Wm Marsh DOCTOR
SCUM
X.Speedrace Augustus Gibbons BLEEDER (CC'd)
Jules Winnfield TRACKER
Elijah Price STALKER
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WATCH <=> COP <=> DOC
think twice about which scum will prioritize
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@Vader
@Mharman
@skittlez09
@Intelligence_06
time to flip speed. Croc claims JK'd, no result
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I certainly think enough of speed's game that I am now considering lynch even without the COP report for fear that Speed might do more campaigning. Oh, well. I guess we owe crocodile until morning at least.
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@Crocodile
The Dentist and the Crocodile
The crocodile, with cunning smile, sat in the dentist’s chair.
He said, “Right here and everywhere my teeth require repair.”
The dentist’s face was turning white. He quivered, quaked and shook.
He muttered, “I suppose I’m going to have to take a look.”
“I want you”, Crocodile declared, “to do the back ones first.
The molars at the very back are easily the worst.”
He opened wide his massive jaws. It was a fearsome sight—
At least three hundred pointed teeth, all sharp and shining white.
The dentist kept himself well clear. He stood two yards away.
He chose the longest probe he had to search out the decay.
“I said to do the back ones first!” the Crocodile called out.
“You’re much too far away, dear sir, to see what you’re about.
To do the back ones properly you’ve got to put your head
Deep down inside my great big mouth,” the grinning Crocky said.
The poor old dentist wrung his hands and, weeping in despair,
He cried, “No no! I see them all extremely well from here!”
Just then, in burst a lady, in her hands a golden chain.
She cried, “Oh Croc, you naughty boy, you’re playing tricks again!”
“Watch out!” the dentist shrieked and started climbing up the wall.
“He’s after me! He’s after you! He’s going to eat us all!”
“Don’t be a twit,” the lady said, and flashed a gorgeous smile.
“He’s harmless. He’s my little pet, my lovely crocodile.”
BY ROALD DAHL
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@Crocodile
I remember when rock was young
Me and Susie had so much fun
Holding hands and skimming stones
Had an old gold Chevy and a place of my own
But the biggest kick I ever got
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
While the other kids were rocking 'round the clock
We were hopping and bopping to the Crocodile Rock
[Chorus]
Well, Crocodile Rocking is something shocking
When your feet just can't keep still
I never knew me a better time, and I guess I never will
Oh, lawdy mama, those Friday nights
When Susie wore her dresses tight
And the Crocodile Rocking was out of sight
[Post-Chorus]
Laa, la-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laa
[Verse 2]
But the years went by and the rock just died
Susie went and left us for some foreign guy
Long nights crying by the record machine
Dreaming of my Chevy and my old blue jeans
Dreaming of my Chevy and my old blue jeans
But they'll never kill the thrills we've got
Burning up to the Crocodile Rock
Learning fast as the weeks went past
We really thought the Crocodile Rock would last
[Chorus]
Well, Crocodile Rocking is something shocking
When your feet just can't keep still
I never knew me a better time, and I guess I never will
Oh, lawdy mama, those Friday nights
When Susie wore her dresses tight
And the Crocodile Rocking was out of sight
[Post-Chorus]
Laa, la-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laa
[Verse 1]
I remember when rock was young
Me and Susie had so much fun
Holding hands and skimming stones
Had an old gold Chevy and a place of my own
But the biggest kick I ever got
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
While the other kids were rocking 'round the clock
We were hopping and bopping to the Crocodile Rock
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Well, Crocodile Rocking is something shocking
When your feet just can't keep still
I never knew me a better time, and I guess I never will
Oh, lawdy mama, those Friday nights
When Susie wore her dresses tight
And the Crocodile Rocking was out of sight
[Post-Chorus]
Laa, la-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laa
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@Crocodile
I remember when rock was young
Me and Susie had so much fun
Holding hands and skimming stones
Had an old gold Chevy and a place of my own
But the biggest kick I ever got
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
While the other kids were rocking 'round the clock
We were hopping and bopping to the Crocodile Rock
[Chorus]
Well, Crocodile Rocking is something shocking
When your feet just can't keep still
I never knew me a better time, and I guess I never will
Oh, lawdy mama, those Friday nights
When Susie wore her dresses tight
And the Crocodile Rocking was out of sight
[Post-Chorus]
Laa, la-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laa
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But the years went by and the rock just died
Susie went and left us for some foreign guy
Long nights crying by the record machine
Dreaming of my Chevy and my old blue jeans
Dreaming of my Chevy and my old blue jeans
But they'll never kill the thrills we've got
Burning up to the Crocodile Rock
Learning fast as the weeks went past
We really thought the Crocodile Rock would last
[Chorus]
Well, Crocodile Rocking is something shocking
When your feet just can't keep still
I never knew me a better time, and I guess I never will
Oh, lawdy mama, those Friday nights
When Susie wore her dresses tight
And the Crocodile Rocking was out of sight
[Post-Chorus]
Laa, la-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laa
[Verse 1]
I remember when rock was young
Me and Susie had so much fun
Holding hands and skimming stones
Had an old gold Chevy and a place of my own
But the biggest kick I ever got
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
Was doing a thing called the Crocodile Rock
While the other kids were rocking 'round the clock
We were hopping and bopping to the Crocodile Rock
[Chorus]
Well, Crocodile Rocking is something shocking
When your feet just can't keep still
I never knew me a better time, and I guess I never will
Oh, lawdy mama, those Friday nights
When Susie wore her dresses tight
And the Crocodile Rocking was out of sight
[Post-Chorus]
Laa, la-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laaLa-la-la-la-laa
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@Crocodile
How doth the little crocodile
Improve his shining tail
And pour the waters of the Nile
On every golden scale!
How cheerfully he seems to grin
How neatly spreads his claws,
And welcomes little fishes in
With gently smiling jaws!
-Lewis Carroll
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@Intelligence_06
living room donkeys, John = salon mules, Jack = Samuel L Jackson
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@Intelligence_06
Still, how did you know that I am mace windu watcher from “sun fight eye user”? I mean I wrote that to not make it obvious.
I like that kind of oblique clue- like crossword puzzle clues. I cut off SLJ first- that was obvious then looked at eye/user and said you know that is a likely role claim so then I just looked at sunfight and started saying movie names Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Avengers, Star Wars boom. mace windu + eye user had a strong WATCHER vibe.
Still, that was bad gameplay. I should have STFU until you needed someone to back your claim.
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I am unreservedly committed to lynch Speed. To do otherwise would simply be bad gameplay. I can't decide between Supa & Mharman but we have to kill Speed anyway and that gives us at least one more night to COP and WATCH.
We are waiting for CROC to COP. Barring any shockers we can kill Speed with a high probability of good intelligence DP3.
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@Vader
yeah, I don't have a therefore statement but the relationship between Fury and reincarnator seemed apt enough-
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@Speedrace
-->@Mharman@oromagiwhat is Stan's justification?I got noneDo you have a justification, Oro?
No. I'm just Nick Fury from the MCU
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I wan't yall to track me tonight and I know who I'm gonna protect.
There is no TRACKER in this game but I agree that one COP or WATCHER should be on you.
I'm gonna protect Oro
No way. SCUM would be dumb to come after me since I'll return DP4
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@Speedrace
@oromagiYou are JULES- the ultra BAMF. If there's a NINJA or a GODFATHER it is you.If theme has shown anything, the badder you are, the more town you are. My character is on par with John Shaft and you haven't questioned his towninessAlso I can't be either because I'm a tracker lol
I wonder if the other SCUM is another Tarentino character.
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@Mharman
-->@oromagiwhat is Stan's justification?I got none
ouch.
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@Mharman
@Speedrace
I'm down for Supa or Speed. Preferring Supa because there is no denying the Jailkeeper + Doctor is not believable. Speed at least made some arguments, however dubious of them I am.
eyes on the prize, please.
- Speed lied on ROLE and was quickly counter-claimed by well breadcrumbed WATCHER.
- Speed now claims TRACKER who didn't give results but chose to fake claim DP2 for weak cause.
- Speed's claimed TRACKER results are conveniently redundant and untestable
- Speed as TOWN would have realized the utility of truthfully claiming Jules early on.
- It is the likeliest SCUM character
- Claiming Jules would be claiming PR without actually saying which. Since COP and JK(TUF DOC) were already on the table, additional power role claims might tempt the NK away from the most important saves. I was seriously thinking of fake claiming DOC at the end of DP1 just to try to brokenwingedmamabird the NK. Its also the reason I put Mace Windu back in the list
- If I was a TOWN TRACKER who was Jules, I would have claimed just Jules to get SCUM wondering how powerful a ROLE I might be. Trading TRACKER for COP seem like the right move.
- Speed was CAUGHT visiting the Night Kill. This fact alone always makes the priority lynch. Speed lied about his visit, lied about his role. Speed is SCUM with high confidence.
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XLunatic Frozone JAILKEEPER
XDanielle Russell Franklin VANILLA
TOWN SLJ
Oromagi Nick Fury REINCARNATOR
Intelligence_06 Mace Windu WATCHER
Crocodile John Shaft COP
skittlez09 Ray Arnold VANILLA
Mharman Stan VANILLA
SupaDudz Dr Wm Marsh DOCTOR
Speedrace Augustus Gibbons BLEEDER (CC'd)
Jules Winnfield TRACKER
SCUM
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@Speedrace
You are JULES- the ultra BAMF. If there's a NINJA or a GODFATHER it is you.
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This logic won't fool a top 5 debater.
INTELLIGENCE_06:BAMF MAFIA - Day Phase 2:"This logic won't fool a top 5 debater."
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