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The Brookings Report has been reporting on this rapidly widening gap in partnership with the Wall St. Journal:
Even with a new president and political party soon in charge of the White House, the nation’s economic standoff continues. Notwithstanding President-elect Joe Biden’s solid popular vote victory, last week’s election failed to deliver the kind of transformative reorientation of the nation’s political-economic map that Democrats (and some Republicans) had hoped for. The data confirms that the election sharpened the striking geographic divide between red and blue America, instead of dispelling it.Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy.A similar analysis for last week’s election shows these trends continuing, albeit with a different political outcome. This time, Biden’s winning base in 509 counties encompasses fully 71% of America’s economic activity, while Trump’s losing base of 2,547 counties represents just 29% of the economy. (Votes are still outstanding in 28 mostly low-output counties, and this piece will be updated as new data is reported.)
Aggregate share of US GDP
2016
Hillary Clinton 64%
Donald Trump 36%
2020
Joe Biden 71%
Donald Trump 29%
So, while the election’s winner may have changed, the nation’s economic geography remains rigidly divided. Biden captured virtually all of the counties with the biggest economies in the country (depicted by the largest blue tiles in the nearby graphic), including flipping the few that Clinton did not win in 2016.By contrast, Trump won thousands of counties in small-town and rural communities with correspondingly tiny economies (depicted by the red tiles). Biden’s counties tended to be far more diverse, educated, and white-collar professional, with their aggregate nonwhite and college-educated shares of the economy running to 35% and 36%,respectively, compared to 16% and 25% in counties that voted for Trump.In short, 2020’s map continues to reflect a striking split between the large, dense, metropolitan counties that voted Democratic and the mostly exurban, small-town, or rural counties that voted Republican. Blue and red America reflect two very different economies: one oriented to diverse, often college-educated workers in professional and digital services occupations, and the other whiter, less-educated, and more dependent on “traditional” industries.With that said, it would be wrong to describe this as a completely static map. While the metropolitan/ nonmetropolitan dichotomy remained starkly persistent, 2020 election returns produced nontrivial movement, as Biden added modestly to the Democrats’ metropolitan base and significantly to its vote base. Most notably, Biden flipped six of the nation’s 100 highest-output counties, strengthening the link between these core economic hubs and the Democratic Party. More specifically, Biden flipped half of the 10 most economically significant counties Trump won in 2016, including Phoenix’s Maricopa County; Dallas-Fort Worth’s Tarrant County; Jacksonville, Fla.’s Duval County; Morris County in New Jersey; and Tampa-St. Petersburg, Fla.’s Pinellas County.Altogether, those losses shaved about 3 percentage points’ worth of GDP off the economic base of Trump counties. That reduced the share of the nation’s GDP produced by Republican-voting counties to a new low in recent times.Why does this matter? This economic rift that persists in dividing the nation is a problem because it underscores the near-certainty of both continued clashes between the political parties and continued alienation and misunderstandings.To start with, the 2020’s sharpened economic divide forecasts gridlock in Congress and between the White House and Senate on the most important issues of economic policy. The problem—as we have witnessed over the past decade and are likely to continue seeing—is not only that Democrats and Republicans disagree on issues of culture, identity, and power, but that they represent radically different swaths of the economy. Democrats represent voters who overwhelmingly reside in the nation’s diverse economic centers, and thus tend to prioritize housing affordability, an improved social safety net, transportation infrastructure, and racial justice. Jobs in blue America also disproportionately rely on national R&D investment, technology leadership, and services exports.By contrast, Republicans represent an economic base situated in the nation’s struggling small towns and rural areas. Prosperity there remains out of reach for many, and the party sees no reason to consider the priorities and needs of the nation’s metropolitan centers. That is not a scenario for economic consensus or achievement.At the same time, the results from last week’s election likely underscore fundamental problems of economic alienation and estrangement. Specifically, Trump’s anti-establishment appeal suggests that a sizable portion of the country continues to feel little connection to the nation’s core economic enterprises, and chose to channel that animosity into a candidate who promised not to build up all parts of the country, but rather to vilify groups who didn’t resemble his base.If this pattern continues—with one party aiming to confront the challenges at top of mind for a majority of Americans, and the other continuing to stoke the hostility and indignation held by a significant minority—it will be a recipe not only for more gridlock and ineffective governance, but also for economic harm to nearly all people and places. In light of the desperate need for a broad, historic recovery from the economic damage of the COVID-19 pandemic, a continuation of the patterns we’ve seen play out over the past decade would be a particularly unsustainable situation for Americans in communities of all sizes.
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@n8nrgmi
In the end, in red counties, you’d have…
- Lots of guns
- lots of violence
- Lots of underlying racism
- Lots of religious bigotry
- Lots of excuses for why the finances and operational system of govt was failing
- Lots of unwed mothers
- Lots of welfare use
- …and SERIOUS MONEY PROBLEMS.
questions, comments, words of wisdom?
I think your topic sentence is an interesting and provable fact. I think your first post diluted your intent by adding too many large generalizations. If we say that counties that voted Trump are RED counties then we are talking about 2,547 of America's 3006 counties. Blue counties are only 1/6th of US counties. Red counties that represent suburbs are very different from Florida swamp counties or Wyoming ranch counties. Utah Republicans are more different from Alabama Republicans than Democrats from any BLUE county are from one another.
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- Gandhi was not well fed but a fairly lofty thinker
- I am overly well fed but I can't get my brain out of the gutter
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@whiteflame
@Bugsy460
how useful kritiks are on this platform. I see a lot of debates say they aren't allowed in the rules, so I was curious
- how often they are used when not banned and
Fairly often. RationalMadman is the most prolific debater here and also the most frequent kritik.
- if people are willing to vote on them.
DARTers are barely willing to vote, kritik or no. Voting is always a struggle.
- should kritiks have a space on this platform
Yes except where fairly excluded by request in the debate description.
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oromagi
lunatic Luis Ortiz VANILLA
TOWN
Greyparrot Deontay Wilder VIGILANTE
bringerofrain Joe Joyce (cop'd inno)
pie Oleksandr Usyk BELOVED PRINCESS
speed COP
Mr. Chris
Whiteflame
Supa
SCUM
Claiming beloved princess is a common though rare tactic used by Mafia to delay the inevitable giving them the advantage of you waiting that much longer to get their partner.
- Looks like lunatic shared your outlook
- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5755/post-links/251883
- May be what got him killed
Pie to Bringer:
We wouldn’t be in this mess if it weren’t for you lol.
- to what does Pie refer?
I don't want to do anything until we hear from oromagi
I have nothing to report
If you are silenced, place a vote on me to signify this.
I am not silenced
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@fauxlaw
CULTURE is "an umbrella term which encompasses the social behavior and norms found in human societies, as well as the knowledge, beliefs, arts, laws, customs, capabilities, and habits of the individuals in these groups."
OSTRACISM was "a procedure under Athenian democracy in which any citizen could be expelled from the city-state of Athens for ten years. While some instances clearly expressed popular anger at the citizen, ostracism was often used preemptively. It was used as a way of neutralizing someone thought to be a threat to the state or potential tyrant. The word "ostracism" continues to be used for various cases of social shunning."
Who first decided that culture could be cancelled?
Athens.
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@Bringerofrain
I didn't come out to my family until I was 25 and after attitudes had changed significantly. I was raised Roman Catholic and I was taught that homosexuality was not just a crime and a sin but a corrupt betrayal of family and community. I was dating a lawyer and going to a lot of political events and one night we confronted our governor in the street and ended up on the evening news. So I figured I better tell my family before the neighbors told them.
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@ILikePie5
I don't generally buy flavor claims that conveniently make the role unconfirmable after a reasonable plan for confirmation had been discussed. GP's even NP claim strike me as a reaction to TOWN's request for confirmation. I've read whiteflame's soft confirmation but I remain skeptical. I'm content with a VTNL
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Oh yeah the space hotel
recall the night it fell
four hundred miles at
forty hundred thousand miles per hour?
The Neo Tivoli
was struck by space debris
just shy of apogee
celeb calamity
pray for the space hotel
fireballed the night it fell
four hundred miles at
four hundred thousand Fahrenheit degrees?
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@Bringerofrain
The Walt Disney Company pulled “Dumbo,” “Peter Pan,” “The Aristocats” and “Swiss Family Robinson” from its offerings for children under 7. Adult Disney Plus profiles still have access to the films with the content warning
I don't know exactly what offenses these movies are supposed to have committed but I have far less problem with asking for an adult password rather than outright removal. I wish other content providers looking to improve their brandname would provide password protected access to newly offensive content. If having a R-rating for racism would preserve the availability of otherwise undistributed content, I could live with that.
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@Bringerofrain
--> @oromagiHonestly just throwing it out because I think it makes interesting discussion. I am not looking to influence the culture of the site. Not until I learn it at least.
Roger that.
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@MisterChris
Anyway I'm pretty torn on whether Grey should use his role tonight. It may confirm him but I'm not sure confirming Grey would be worth the potential killing of power roles, and we may also wish that we had his vig role later on when we've done more narrowing down of suspects.
You are assuming an X-limited VIG. Why?
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@Bringerofrain
Worse than controversial, I expect such a ban would be deeply unpopular on this site (where even moderate moderators might argue that aborted fetuses make effective currency).
I think you should start a new topic titled STRAW POLL: shall we ban these topics? and list all five in the OP. DARTers should have the option to ban all, none, or pick and choose. I personally would vote against banning any of these five. My guess is that the nays will outweigh the yeas.
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-> @BringerofrainI dont wanna vig np1
This makes me think GP is not really VIG
VTL GreyParrot
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I would propose banning certain topics such as what follows.1. Nuclear war is good2. Murder is good3. Rape is good4. Women are inferior to men5. Some races are superior to others
You might as well put out a sign that says, "NO REPUBLICANS" Is that the effect you are hoping to achieve?
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shooting someone is also how VIG confirms his role and its not like TOWN will be better able to take that risk later.
The philosophy of when and how often a player should shoot is debatable. One school of thought is that kills narrow down the pool of suspects, so any player that is more likely to be scum than random should be fair game for being shot. This same school of thought favors killing on every Night, including Night 0 (when there is no game-related information about any player. The best play as a Vigilante is to shoot scum. This requires the Vig to find scum. There is no easy way to do this. However, because of their ability to make or break entire games depending on who they target, Vigs are frequently lauded and/or blamed for their decisions beyond appropriate proportions. Thus, as a Vig your best bet is to make decisions that will not cause you to be hated by every other player in the game. If in doubt, shoot a player that people would want to policy elimination (e.g. lurkers).
GP is certainly experienced enough to evaluate most likely scum and take that risk on behalf of TOWN, if GP is TOWN. I would say GP's best guess is at least as good or better than TOWN guess. My experience is that most DP1 VIG claims are false. I think TOWN should set the expectation that VIG takes a chance tonight or lose all cred from early claim.
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oromagi
TOWN
Greyparrot Deontay Wilder VIGILANTE
bringerofrain Joe Joyce
pie
speed
Mr. Chris
Whiteflame
Supa
Lunatic
SCUM
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@Bringerofrain
I want to unvote but the site is sending me to the front page when I press the bold key
that is bold
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@Bringerofrain
Not just the most famous boxer but also the most famous human being in the World in the 1970's- Muhammad Ali
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@Bringerofrain
SUPADUDZ's THIRD of PIE is lol is PIe's SCUM tell
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@Bringerofrain
How many laws of pie does he have and are they written down in a single easy to find location?
SUPADUDZ's SECOND LAW of PIE is Gino's famous deep dish
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@Bringerofrain
Read Pie's last to messages to me. How does he know I am town falsely accusing him with no evidence and not scum falsely accusing because I don't care about evidence?
Picking fights with the new guy is notably anti-town.
SUPADUDZ's FIRST LAW of PiE states that Pie is only active in games where he is SCUM or power role. Since this game looks VANILLA heavy, Pie is likely SCUM.
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@Bringerofrain
🦡🦔🐓🐓🦜🦉🐿️🐫🦌🐄🐂🐃🐏🦒🍦🥧🍰🧂🥂🍻☕🍵🍙🍮🎂🎤🎞️🎞️🎙️🎷🎵🧶🧵☂️💍👝👑👒🎩👚👗👙👙4️⃣🔷🔹🔹
I can't see these.
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oromagi
TOWN
Greyparrot Deontay Wilder
bringerofrain Joe Joyce
pie
speed
Mr. Chris
Whiteflame
Supa
Lunatic
SCUM
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@Bringerofrain
You are obviously pretty familiar with us all. Have you outed your alt yet?
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float like a butterfly
5ting like a bee
drink like a samurai
latino 0wl tea
VTL Supadudz
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@Bringerofrain
[It] is clear that some people are genetically superior to others.
There's no doubt that nature has its hierarchies but I'm skeptical that science has a good handle on what you call genetic superiority. Is there any measure of "genetic superiority" that would identify Stephen Hawking as superior and since the answer is obviously no, shouldn't we question the calibration of our instruments?
You guys are genetically superior to me, for the most part I assume.
Skeptical again.
It used to be when early marriage and monogamy was forced on people that those who are called incel's today could have lead a happy life with a good wife and some kids.
But that was ultimately a bad thing, right? If we accept genetically inferior (I don't), then prioritizing inferior genes for reasons of social privilege weakens the species.
Now these guys have become genetic dead ends. Were they failed by society?
Traditionally, societies funneled these dead ends into hunting, herding, mining, armies, prisons, etc. As we strive for an improved society, we scaled down a lot of human institutions that traditionally mulched the INCEL types at a young age. Perhaps society failed the INCELs but almost certainly to the net benefit of society overall.
Sure female agency is a good thing, but was the cost of female agency something that resulted in a large portion of males who ended up genetic dead ends?
...and if INCELs were the cost for the good thing called female agency, wouldn't that be a relatively cheap price to pay?
Some women are genetically inferior because they put on weight easier than others.
That's just false. Modern America holds to an extreme and new conception of body type based on artificially stimulated demand (overfeed the market so that you can sell them diets, exercise programs, antacids, liposuction, etc). Until the present moment, weight gain was a genetically superior adaptation for baby making.
we see a push back by these women where they demand to be seen as attractive and demand others ignore their genetic inferiority. What will be the result of a society where a bunch of women are treated merely as "slump busters" and a bunch of men cannot have sex at all?
I think this dynamic undermines the INCELs primary argument. INCELs insist that are denied fuckable women in an age profoundly influenced by a commercially manufactured (as opposed to a natural) conception of fuckability. It's not about genetic inferiority: the INCEL's standard is too high. Human societies have always featured a bunch of women that are merely treated as slump busters, more's the pity. Feminism decreases the size of that bunch. Socially intelligent men acknowledge that feminism makes women more fuckable, not less.
Society was more stable when the government and social standards intervened to get these incel's from the 50s laid. (I acknowledge that the stability came at the cost of equality).
If you are saying that marriage was more stable in the 1950s- then that is the opposite of true. A greater percentage of Americans got married in the 50's than in any other decade in history but a greater percentage of Americans who married in the 50's got divorced than any other decade or society in history. People who got married in the 50's represented the majority of divorces across three decades- the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Marriages from the 50's were the most divorce prone in human history. Essentially, the expected roles of women in a marriage changed dramatically after WW2 and a large number of women found it necessary to break their prior agreements before they could enjoy the benefit of new opportunities.
Should society save other genetically inferior people to avoid social decay such as HAES advocates and INCELs
I don't buy your premise. Still, let's agree that societies should always work to keep members alive ("save") but present society requires a dramatic reduction in population anyway. Less breeding by the least successful seems like a positive advantage to all.
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@ILikePie5
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@fauxlaw
Let's note that fauxlaw writes this hours after Biden ordered every state to vaccinate every teacher in the next four weeks.
Let's also note fauxlaw's readiness to fault Biden for politicization of science but alas, finds no fault with the prior president who actually took a sharpie to a national hurricane forecast rather than admit that he misspoke. By all accounts Trump muffled and suppressed his science advisers during the pandemic. Trump literally pushed the scientists to one side and recommended medication that had no therapeutic value but did cause some heart problems. He pushed the wrong drug so hard that the people with diseases for which hydrochloroquine was effective ran out of medicine due to ineffective, net-harm but nevertheless presidentially approved demand. Trump followed the science about as well as my goldfish followed Jeopardy.
I think its a little too soon for Trump apologists to start criticizing the new administration on the question of following the science. Can't we for a moment simply enjoy the relief of having a president who does not consider most of science an active threat to his personal world view?
The statistics coming out of the pandemic are still pretty raw but it does look like mortality in the under-18 bracket actually dropped about 10%- perhaps 2600 kids are still alive today who would be dead in a normal year like 2019. The best single year improvement in US history. I know that suicides are up generally in 2020 so I'd accept that teen suicide is also up although I don't see good stats out there. I think its true anecdotally that under 18 deaths from COVID were fewer than lives saved from dramatically reduced transmission of other diseases like flu, measles, colds, etc.
I don't much buy into the "your child's death is worse because it more preventable" argument. I guess I reject most arguments from quality of pain- what can we know of another's pain?
Nor do I agree that teen suicide is more preventable than school shootings. School shootings have been practically nil during this pandemic. Obviously, we can't have mass shootings if people don't mass. While not a particularly sustainable solution, we can't say that we don't know some ways to prevent mass shootings.
Teen suicide has been around since Icarus but statistics do suggest that kids in houses with guns die by suicide at four times the rate of kids in houses without guns. We can only hope that teen suicide will improve after lockdown but that's hardly the most effective way to reduce teen suicide. The most effective way to reduce teen suicide is to keep kids away from guns altogether.
Further, I'd argue that most school shootings are perpetrated by suicidal teens and the shootings themselves a kind of ritualized suicide. I don't think there's much separation between the causes of either phenomenon.
Your argument was "open the schools, the kids are dying." Applying the knowledge that the pandemic has decreased child deaths by 10% can we assume that you now support keeping schools closed to prevent more kids dying? If the answer is no then you're not really arguing from the "least dead kids" position anymore, are you?
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If gratitude was the price then it was never really charity to begin with.
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@TheUnderdog
Democracies are slow to legislate by design. Dictatorships are fast.
Frank Herbert wrote this character in a couple of novels named Jorj X. McKie who was an agent of the US Bureau of Sabotage. By the 21st Century, Americans had gotten so good at quick, efficient legislation that they would enforce terrible policy without really testing or challenging the laws in advance. The Saboteur's job was to secretly, randomly throw wrenches into the cogs of government- delays where no necessity existed without actually endangering citizens.
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Are we distinguishing original score from soundtrack? Scores are performed for the occasion of the film while soundtracks precede the film. Thor is an amazing original score while Shrek is mostly soundrack (although Eddie Murphy's covers are the highlights).
So, I might say The Graduate or Harold and Maude except that much of those were performed for the soundtrack. Topsy Turvy is an all time fave but all of the Gilbert and Sullivan compositions are performed by actors for the movie. Clubfoot Orchestra's original score to Metropolis might be at the top of the list but it was written for the movie years later. Fata Morgana is mostly soundtrack but the Master Musicians of Jajouka perfom the finale. WIngs of Desire is mostly instrumental but Nick Cave gives a performance as himself in the film. Most films with memorable soundtracks still have an original score, even if that score is usually less memorable. If we keep strictly to curration of music that existed prior to the film:
2001 Space Odyssey
Apocalypse Now
The Royal Tenenbaums
The Big Chill
Jackie Brown
Boogie Nights
Pretty in Pink
Saturday Night Fever
Marie Antionette
Until the End of the World
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@TheUnderdog
I'm bad at physics but I think the current popular consensus is that our universe exists within ten or eleven dimensions
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I actually re-read the DPs on Saturday and found at least two false presumptions on my part. I had decided to change my vote after I got answers to my question but never had an opportunity.
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Pie on Monday: I don't understand why it's so hard to get people to play mafia. C'mon people.
Pie on Tuesday: OH MY GOD! YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING RETARD! YOU ARE GOING TO BE SO HUMILIATED WHEN THIS GAME IS DONE!
Pie on Wednesday: I don't understand why it's so hard to get people to play mafia. C'mon people.
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You are applying 3rd dimensional physics to a two dimensional representation of a fourth dimensional phenomenon. It's like looking at a map and wondering why Panama doesn't collapse under the weight of North America.
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@Stephen
You regularly post on the religion forum about religion and you are telling us that you have never heard of the battle of Milvian Bridge which began the creation of the Roman Church 300 years after the crucifixion?
Agreed. Every student should have some sense of the significance of the Battle of Milvian Bridge. If you had to set a starting date for Western Civilization and Christianity as a major world religion, Milvian Bridge serves pretty well in that capacity. The history of Europe without Christianity, without the Eastern Empire, without a Bible is entirely unknowable so significant was Constantine's promotion.
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unaltered series of scriptures to pass down generations and have rewritten verbatim.
No manuscript in the Roman world avoided frequent alteration from one copy to the next- mistakes, unintended omissions, intended omissions, re-writes, bad translations. But let's also recall that one of the rites of Christian initiation in the early days was the reading of the Apocrypha, the secret beliefs, gospels, testimonies kept hidden by each church from all but the most inner members- like a masonic lodge. A few hundreds of these have endured to demonstrate that every Christian church's core literature was substantially different than the next church.
You are agreeing with FLWR that the four Gospels were written not by Christians but Romans. In truth, thousands of wildly different versions were written for local audiences for increasingly divergent reasons, many by non-Romans, many by Romans. Of these, the emperor Constantine (a Roman and not a Christian but who would convert just before death) chose Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John as canon and outlawed all the rest. The Bible itself was assembled, approved, edited, and promulgated at the Roman Emperor's command in 325. So, yeah. The Bible itself is an entirely Roman manuscript.
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Why/how did Romans then end up founding one of the oldest forms of Catholicism?
A favorite historical question with many answers. I think one of the most compelling is that Christians, coming out of Jewish tradition, were highly socially active. Jews, then as now, tended to create Jewish enclaves in the center of the most populous Imperial cities and early Christians carved out smaller (sometimes secret) enclaves within those communities. Even before the Bible, Christianity was big on literacy- letter writing, gospel writing, proselytizing mostly in the lingua franca of Imperial Rome, Greek. Christians as a group were more literate than Roman aristocracy. As Roman civilization expanded in the East, so did Roman bureaucracy and the highly literate Christians began to get all the good bureaucratic jobs which created increasingly better known, increasingly wealthy and successful communities at the heart of all the influential major Roman cities. By 300 CE, in places like Egypt and Greece, the words Roman and Christian essentially meant the same thing.
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From the perspective of Romans and Hebrews at the time, was Jesus a cult leader?
No. There is no evidence, Roman, Hebrew, or otherwise of any contemporary analysis of Jesus. Certainly, Paul and some apostles seemed to be perceived as leaders of a Jesus cult within Judaism, of which there were at least fifty similar apocalyptic cults that rose and fell in Palestine in the first century. Remember that Hebrews in Jerusalem distinguished themselves from Hellenes- the cosmopolitan Greek speaking Jews of Alexandria, Antioch, etc. Hellenic Jews did not worship at Temple, did not read or speak Hebrew, considered themselves Jews unbound by Jewish tradition and almost all of early Christianity comes out of this sort of marginalized group.
Let's keep in mind that most cult leaders- a Dionysian priest or an priest of Isis- were not contradicting the official Imperial cult and posed no threat to popular religion. Temple Jews would have considered Christians apostates and a threat but a Roman governor would have seen any Christian as a Jewish Christian. Imperial Rome did not really distinguish Christians as non-Jews until after the Bar Kokhba uprising.
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