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@WyIted
Anybody stating shit like this and then later claiming any weird variation on their role needs to be insta lynched.
Dude, I already softed a strange aspect of my role way back at the start of this DP. I'll be happy to clarify that later when it matters. Yours still stands out.
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@Casey_Risk
Not me. My role is based on the way my show works in general.
Yeah, that checks out with me too.
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@Savant
Also doesn't make sense from a balance perspective, scum already have numbers advantage compared to 9v2. Unless a cop comes forward to confirm WyIted, that's where my vote stays.
We already know there's a Cop role insofar as it can be won through trivia, so is not entirely impossible that there's a Miller, but this is just the most baffling flavor of Miller I've ever seen and the justification really stands out.
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@WyIted
It's literally the only reason anybody remembers the show from what I gather
...I get that it's a big thing from its history, but it's hardly the only game show to make the news for something dramatic. Why is your game show special in this regard?
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I am the dating game.Because it the famous episode withRodney Alcala (a serial killer known as the dating game killer)I am the even night miller.That's right on odd nights I am investigated as innocent and on even nights I always investigate as guilty. I also know that we are trying to policy lynch Millers from the attention on me last game so was considering lying and claiming vanilla but I made a promise
Does literally anyone else in this game have a role that's related to a single episode of their game show? Because that's fucking baffling to me. Also just a baffling claim in general.
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@Savant
@WyIted
Really do not like the fact that he hopped on, posted about how he doesn't want more claims because I guess he thought we already got a claim and that I was holding out for some reason, and then hopped off without waiting for a response and with attention on him from Savant. Yeah, I'm willing to pursue this.
VTL WyIted
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@Earth
I think Mhar said something along the lines of him wanting to keep his role a secret. What do you think of that?
I think he and I share a motivation.
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@Earth
Is there a reason you are being reticent?
Yes.
A) The goal here was to get three claims and leave it at three. I would prefer Mharman's, ergo I would prefer not to be the third.
B) I have reasons for keeping my claim to myself in the first place. You can learn them next DP if you wish to wait.
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@ILikePie5
@Casey_Risk
I think that’s 4 counting Casey. Full claim plz
I'll confirm with Casey that that's what they are actually doing because that last post only expresses a willingness to do so, not an actual a shift. We currently stand at 3 on me and 3 on Mharman.
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@ILikePie5
That’s fine. I’ve made my choice and you have made yours. I have a reason to scumread all 3 choices tbf, I just think you’re at the top of that rn
Alright then. Don't really get it, but fine.
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@ILikePie5
I just don’t see the WF I remember. The reads are there but they feel wishy washy and indecisive. I think the reason most people townread him is the frustration, but it could be the same frustration as scum. Sort of a “not again.”
I mean, I’m not surprised you’re sussing me, I just don’t love the reasoning. You know well by this point that indecision, particularly in DP1, is not at all unusual for me. I’m presenting my reads differently than normal, but that also includes last game where I was scum. As for the frustration, it’s your perception I guess. I’ve said my piece on that front.
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@iamanabanana
So what makes it safe is how CCable it is? Let me ask, is people getting CC'ed a pretty common occurrence here? I think the last game was the first time I've seen someone actually get CC'ed. I technically CC'ed earth in russian mafia, but the mod admitted fault there for accidentally putting the phrase "first tsar" in two PM's.
Based on this response, I think you got what I meant by "safe." The long and short of it is that, yes, when you are claiming first, avoiding a CC is kind of the name of the game. It doesn't happen every time, but whether we're talking full on CCs or partial CCs, it's a common way that scum get spotted if they're forced to claim early. That's part of the reason that fake role claims matter so much. So, yes, I'm on the lookout for claims that might fit the bill of being something that feels like it was claimed to avoid a CC. That doesn't mean I'm scumreading him for that reason, but it's hard to ignore the possibility.
That being said, I've already mentioned as well that I would expect Earth to be a lot bolder with his role claim if he's just going for it. Maybe he'd do something like this, but that has not been my experience with him as scum in the past.
Maybe I am just being too harsh on my mikal read, but under the assumption that mikal is setting up targets he feels are easy mislynches, I am naturally going to be a little suspicious of anyone who is still scum reading earth based on anything mikal has said. When I was reading your reads last night, I saw him in your null pile and was trying to get in your head to understand how that happened, but with you agreeing with certain pieces of the pie logic, it was hard for me to wrap my ahead around how you arrived at the conclusion you did that earth was just "null" and it seemed kind of like an easy way to integrate yourself into the earth lynch if and when it may happen. I saw mharman also had left earth in the same spot, but I was looking at his thought processes to lead him there, and it didn't stand out to me as much so I didn't mention it.
I agree with certain parts of both Mikal's and Pie's logic, neither of them enough to pull me distinctly into either a town or a scumread. I have reasons why I lean each way that balance out to a null read because I don't yet know which to favor. He's not my priority this DP, but I'm also unable to remove him from my PoE.
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Locked for now. I’ll revisit this after work.
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@Mharman
@Casey_Risk
It was indeed Mharman. I was going to wait for him to show up to see how he responded to me, but we have less than 24 hours left at this point and we need to move towards a lynch. I think we should consider Mharman, largely for the reasons that you just stated. He's been on the sidelines, his reads are unremarkable and have progressed little, and if Mikal's theory about scum trying to just let the Earth lynch happen is true, it would seem to implicate him.It would also implicate Wylted, who I'm not super happy with. The one thing I've liked about his behavior was when he came up with that possible theme split early on - that felt fairly genuine to me. But I haven't seen anything else from him that I've liked.Between Mharman and Wylted however, Wylted has at least given me something to townread him, however small. Mharman hasn't. I want him to weigh in more.VTL Mharman
Damn, you beat me to it. I'm good with getting a claim from either or both of them at this point. I believe we have two full claims on the board (Earth and Austin), so it's not excessive yet, though I don't want to start pushing for too many more. I agree with Mikal, though, that we really have to make moves at this point. We won't benefit from bringing this close to the end before we start pushing.
I'm good with joining you on this one.
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@Mikal
Okay boys and girls. We need to start focusing in on a target. 10 am tomorrow the day phase ends. That’s going to be right as I’m waking up and I don’t want to rush during work trying to solve the game. We need this locked in before midnight so we can sleep and not be rushing to solve shit tomorrow morning.I am going to think some during work and I’m still contemplating the idea earth is being left alive intentionally. We need to build a Poe.
Fair point. My strong town block is:
Casey
Savant
Weaker townreads that I'd be unwilling to lynch this DP:
Mikal
Pie
Austin
Null to scum reads (scum at bottom):
Moozer
Banana
Earth
Mharman
WyIted
So those five are my PoE and none are strong reads. I'm willing to at least give Moozer the opportunity to confirm himself (he has said he can confirm himself and I'm not getting a strong enough reason to push him for the perceived slip - I'm good with revisiting this next DP). I can understand pushing Banana or Earth at this stage, but I'm not sold on either. Mharman looks pretty good when he's actively posting, but I haven't seen enough to believe he's town, nor have I really seen the kind of scumhunting I normally expect from him, just some good analysis. As for WyIted, I don't like how his posting has turned to fluff, and not the usual fluff I'd expect from him. I worry that both of these reads are coming from difficulties keeping up with the DP rather than any actual tells from their play (that holds true for Banana as well), but that's where I'm at right now.
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@Casey_Risk
There's a player here whose play I've been a little bit disappointed in. I wonder if everyone knows who I'm talking about.
Both Mharman and WyIted could fit that bill. I'm used to seeing the former really break things down and find small tells that indicate plausible scum. He also tends to be more interactive in the way he plays when he gets going, and I've mostly seen him on the sidelines here. As for WyIted, he started off the DP with some theme analysis, but hasn't contributed as much since then. He's spoken up, but with very little substance.
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@Casey_Risk
Whiteflame's read on banana is pretty good and maybe sheepable, I had the exact same worry about banana not mentioning my role claim; don't want to jump to conclusions yet, but I remember her being a player who cares more about mechanics.
@Austin Fair point, though I'm definitely not sold on her as scum yet. I still don't think she starts off the DP as she did with a softclaim as scum, though it's not like it narrows the window of her claims too much. I'm still torn.
I get what you're saying here, 100%, and I don't think this is an unreasonable take. That being said, I'm not as convinced by this line of reasoning for the same reason I brought up earlier: Banana often uses this sort of logic as town. In The Russian Mafia in particular, her defense of That2 had pretty much nothing to do with That2's own behavior and everything to do with everyone else's behavior around her wagon. Even as the mod watching that game, I thought this was really bad logic, but it was sincere.I dunno, I just kind of feel like if Banana was scum, it would be a bit more obvious? In the one game she played before where she was scum, it became evident to me pretty soon after she received even a small amount of pressure. But maybe she's improved quickly. I can believe that and am not totally discounting that possibility. I just don't think it's the most likely.
@Casey I'm still trying to work through how I'm perceiving her reads. It's not so much what type of logic she uses as the inconsistency of its application. Could be that you're right about this, she certainly wasn't good at hiding her scumminess in our game as scum together, just not sure how much I want to rely on a single game's experience. Most of my consideration is directed at her previous town behavior since we have a consistent track record there.
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@AustinL0926
Forgot to mention Austin earlier. Don't have much basis for reading him behaviorally yet, but with that claim, he's not going to be my choice for a lynch this DP. Might be some shenanigans to it, but we'll have to sort that out later. As has been mentioned, including by him, the Gladiator role isn't a given as town so even if he uses it, we shouldn't automatically assume he's town confirmed (even if that's a strong correlation).
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@Mikal
@iamanabanana
Sleep was elusive and work this morning has been busy, so I'm going to try to keep up with the DP, but I can't guarantee anything.
I said I'd revisit my reads on Mikal and Banana this morning, and so I shall.
On Mikal, I've seen the argument that he could be trying to draw attention to a variety of "easier" targets to lynch, which is something we've seen scum use as a tactic before. If he's doing that, then he's doing a pretty slap-dash job of it, which doesn't comport with the attention he's putting into his reads. I'd say it's more likely that, if he is scum, he's drawing attention a set of players in the hopes that he can keep drawing lynches to that pool and away from others. I can understand that take-away from his posts so far, I just can't say that's my read. If anything, he's a little too dedicated to a couple of specific lynches that aren't gaining traction. I don't fully agree with his takes, but from someone who just hasn't been in this community for a while, I understand them and they read as townie to me. He's not a strong town lean because I just can't dismiss the fact that these could be faked, but I'm also not as concerned with how some players have shifted off his list as the game has gone on. At the very least, I think he's justified the why of them.
As for Banana, I think she mostly has some good reads this game, but... yeah, there are some surprising gaps and misreads. Maybe that's just a matter of the DP being so long and her having so much to synthesize, maybe it's the fact that I'm one of her scumreads and I just don't understand her reasoning against me.
For example, looking at the basis she's using, she says I'm not "taking any of the mikal points in" when the central basis for my read of Earth in my post last night was balancing issues brought up by Mikal and Pie. I am also not the only one to point out that the Soldier claim is "safe" since, if it is a fake claim, it is almost certain not to get CC'd. I did make the point that Earth would have to have been given Survivor as a fake character claim, not that he'd have to have received Soldier as a fake role claim. That's the distinction. And yes, I made extensive mention of the fact that I have a hard time reading Earth behaviorally and left him as null as a result. He's never been top of my scumreads, but just seeing relatively normal Earth behavior doesn't shift the needle for me and I can't dismiss the possibility that he's fake claiming here. I don't see how that's odd or how the "math" doesn't add up. If leaving him in PoE makes me scummy, then that's not going to change for the time being, but that's the only thing I see here that seems basically accurate to what I've said about him. She also points out that my decision not to make a call last night on Mikal demonstrates my lack of commitment. I guess... apologies for not giving all my reads in one sitting at midnight? Also, as multiple people have pointed out, my being non-committal isn't a scumtell.
It doesn't really help that a number of Banana's lower reads don't feel fleshed out. The read on Austin doesn't mention his character and role claim, the read on WyIted seems vague and doesn't really engage with anything other than his speculation, and the read on Moozer she admits is based entirely on his being defensive of her rather than any specific behavior on his part.
So, yeah, I'm at least reconsidering my read on Banana at this point. It wasn't a strong townlean to begin with, and again, I can fully understand if this is just a lot of information to process, but she seems inconsistently specific in her analysis. Right now, I'd put her in similar territory to Earth.
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I'm caught up and... yeah, I'm not going to do a great job sifting through all this when I'm tired. I'm going to provide some preliminary thoughts to the extent that I think I can explain them and revisit this tomorrow.
With regards to Earth and his claim, I fully agree that it looks off. Yes, the role makes sense with the character claim, and yes, I buy Pie's argument that it's only likely that he'd fake claim Survivor if he got his as a fake character claim. That narrows the likelihood significantly since it's a very early claim with a lot of risk behind it, as does the early softclaim from him. As for his behavior... I get so much of what Mikal is getting at, but Earth is one of those players who will behave in a way that sets me off when he's town. It's happened a lot. Don't ask me how we get along as scum, it just kind of works and it's a beautiful thing when it does. That's why it's hard for me to put too much emphasis on his behavior as a basis for scumreading him: it often leads me down the wrong path. Going back to the role claim, it's a very safe claim to put out this early, and yeah, I can absolutely see a world where he received this as a fake character claim and just went for it. Earth is the kind of person who takes risks with his claims as scum, which is part of the reason I'm at odds with the claim itself. I just don't think this is his modus operandi as scum. So I can entirely understand sussing him, especially with the lack of responsiveness, but he's null to me right now based on my experience with him.
As for the case on Mikal, from the start, he's been hard to read. Savant has become a much clearer townread as the DP has gone on (I just don't buy that he'd do all this highly specific analysis as scum and I think he's remained consistent enough that he's just reinforcing the townread), while Mikal has remained largely in the same place as a slight townread. I see where Casey's coming from and I think there could be something there, but I'm going to need to go through some of those posts in more detail to see if the pattern holds up.
Other more abbreviated thoughts:
I have a stronger townread on Casey. I can explain that more later, but pushing back on a variety of reads and pushing these kinds of susses just doesn't seem like anything I'd expect from a scum Casey.
Sorry about your illness Pie, looks like you're feeling better based on these responses. For now, at least, I think your interactions look pretty genuine. Not impossible to fake, but not what I'm taking away and I'm seeing enough of it that it's pushed you into a slight townread.
I'm going to give Banana another look in the morning. Not really sure what to think on her right now and I've been dedicating more time to others. Same with WyIted, want to revisit my read on him.
Moozer's been working at catching up and his set of reads is... fine. He has me in his scum pile which is fair enough, even if many of his reads are very surface level. Don't think it's really moved the needle. His willingness to claim and statement that he can basically confirm himself make me think he might be town, but I think a character claim at least still makes sense. I think Pie's point about Moozer seeming to know that all four of those players are mislynches doesn't help his case, so insight may be necessary at this stage.
Position hasn't really changed on Mharman. I like his reads well enough, but he keeps vanishing into the background for large stretches. Maybe that's just because the game is moving too fast, I know I'm having trouble keeping up (hell, the game has extended by a whole page since I started typing this), but I can't get a bead on him like I normally do from those reads.
Oh, and I think I did this earlier, but I noticed my vote's still up:
Unvote
I'll be prepared for a lot more reading in the morning.
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Damn I'm so far behind. I'll work on catching up and give some thoughts when I do.
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@Mharman
@Moozer325
@Moozer
It's good that you've joined the game and I hope you had a good camping trip. I will want to get some specific thoughts from you as well, though you should expect to be pushed for your claim at this point. We can cross that bridge when you've had a chance to post again and provide some thoughts on the DP, which I know is a lot to digest right now.
@Mharman
I appreciate the detailed reads so far. Haven't gotten much of a chance yet to read through everything (mainly just skimming at this point since I don't have a lot of time), but given Moozer's in the game now, I'm going to:
Unvote
We can come back to this later.
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@Mharman
What happened to the town read on me? Is it just the lack of reads that bother you? I’m working on it.
Might have had a townread on you at some point. It's mainly the lack of posting that's setting me on edge.
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@Casey_Risk
Really? That's not how I think of Mharman at all. I actually think he's a great town player.
I agree, I think he's gotten far more incisive as a town player. That's part of the reason I want to see his reads.
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@Mikal
Already got my vote on Mharman. I'm good with hitting up either him or Earth for a claim, but only the latter has a set of reads, so I'm going to give Mharman an opportunity to write his out before pushing for anything more substantial.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
How do you propose we deal with inactives if not shoot if they don’t come back ?
Hopefully just get them replaced. Absent any potential replacements, yeah, we might just have to lynch one. I'm just not going to advocate for that with two days left in the DP.
I'm fine with setting aside WyIted for now. And I'm good with pushing Mharman and/or Earth at this point. I think at least getting some clear reads from Mharman seems warranted (don't think I've seen any), and based on those, we can push for a claim.
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@Mikal
I mean... based on everything we know so far, order goes:
Mharman
WyIted
Earth
I don't like lynching inactives just because they're not here. I think both Mharman and WyIted haven't really done anything to distinguish themselves as town, and Earth's done about as little as possible to distinguish himself as town.
Once we get out of that set, it becomes looser. Pie and Banana are in similar company ahead of you and Savant, and Casey's least likely to be my lynch choice.
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@Savant
Well, less than 24 hours left in the day phase and nothing from Austin or Moozer. Not excited to lynch inactives even if that's where I'm leaning, so maybe we have other players sub in for them and ask to extend the day phase. Curious to see how others want to handle this.
Um... might want to take a look back at the OP (bolding added):
With 11 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority for a lynch. Day phase will end in 72 hours, or on Tuesday, 5/20/25 at 10 am EST.
We actually have 48 hours left in the DP. Yeah, I'm pretty surprised we had so much activity this early as well, all happened within the first 24 hours. Not saying that we should just wait them out because we have more time, but as of now, I don't think we need an extension, particularly if they're just replaced.
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@Casey_Risk
Who is your strongest townread right now and why?
I'd say that's you. Behaviorally, you've been the most consistent with your previous town play. Wouldn't be the first time I've been fooled by a good performance, but I'm just not seeing it this game.
If it helps, I can give a sort of breakdown of where everyone resides.
Mikal and Savant are in a similar camp. Their behavior makes me want to townread them, but they're both coming into this with markedly different styles than they have previously, so it's hard to give them a solid townread.
Banana's behavior is a little off from what I'd expect, but more in the way that I'm watching someone try something new as town than that they're skewing their behavior to look more townie. She's my slightest townread, but still in there.
As for the remainder... yeah, I know I'm not committing to any real scumreads in this mix. Everyone's various shades of null.
My gutread of Pie is that he's likely town, but he's one I'm particularly skittish about when it comes to behavioral reads, so I'm not settled there.
Earth is a bit of an outlier behaviorally, but based on what I know of him, if anything he's closer to a townread than a scumread for me. He's softing more about his character than I'd expect for him as scum, though that's less than I'd like to go off of for a read.
Mharman and WyIted seem to be going through mostly familiar motions that could swing either way depending on where they take them.
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Mharman
He's largely engaged on the usual level, which is to introduce ideas and get feedback while sort of sitting back and soaking in the responses and behavior of other players. All that makes sense for him, though I'm hesitant to call it indicative of his alignment, especially since he seemed to be sussing Mikal a little bit, only to take a step back on that as well. No clear reads as of yet (not that I'm one to talk, at least before writing these) so it's hard to get a bead on him. Doesn't help that I've recently been fooled by him behaviorally. Null.
Mikal
Frustrating as the early interaction was, the more we got into it, the more it did come off as a reaction test. It's been a long time since I last played against a scum Mikal, so he might do this kind of thing as well, but I do think he'd be more likely to at least try to fish for information wherever he could get it, and it's not like he had absolutely no support in play for pushing for my claim (esp. given Savant's responses to my posts). For now, I've got a slight town lean on him, if only because I think he'd be more opportunistic than this as scum.
Austin and Moozer
No posts as of yet. Pure null.
Earth
There's just not a lot to go on with these small posts. He mentioned posting a set of reads and I'll be interested to see those. The cheeky responses don't really do anything for me, either. I've played as scum with him a couple of times and he does tend to use these there, but they are common to his play in general. The thing that makes me want to townread him most is his statement about just outing his show, though absent any follow-up on that, I'm null on him.
Wylted
Nothing has really stood out as swinging either way from WyIted's posts so far. He's spent a good deal of time on theme analysis which may or may not be genuine (it would look pretty scattershot either way at this point), and putting pressure on various targets. Nothing wrong with any of that, even if it doesn't really do much to advance the DP, and nothing terribly inconsistent with his behavior. Null.
iLikePie5
Pretty much everything from him has been responses so far in an attempt to either clarify his views on certain reads and talk about how well certain tactics play in the game as a whole. I'd like to see a full set of reads from him at some point, but he's probably come up with his perspective on at least a majority of players in this game so far. I'm always hesitant to read Pie too early one way or the other, and that hasn't changed here since the lack of pushing on his part this game is a little off-putting, if not altogether improbable for him as town, especially given the amount of activity this game has been higher and he probably just hasn't felt the need to stimulate more. Null.
Banana
Not a whole lot to go off of for Banana. Pushing the softclaim thing early came off as townie. It's applying what we've done in a lot of previous games here, and though it's a little out of character for Banana to suggest it, the decision to just out her own softclaim first doesn't match what I'd expect if she was scum. Since then, it's mostly been defensiveness of that choice, but it's not the kind of frustration I've seen her display in the past. It's not a lot to go off of, but I'm still slightly townreading her.
Casey_Risk
The kind of candid responses I'm seeing to how several others have played the game so far come off as pretty straightforward for Casey in particular. The interrogation of reads, in particular, makes me want to townread Casey at this point, as does his insight into how players like Earth have played previous games. I wouldn't be surprised if Casey would do this as scum, but for now it's a slight townread.
Savant
He's putting a tremendous amount of effort into his reads and is considering a great deal of posts to do it. I certainly can't call anything he's doing cherry-picking, even if I disagree with some of his perspectives. Savant has clearly upped his read game substantially, and while he could plausibly do all this while being scum, my inclination is to put him in the slight town camp. Issues with his reads tend to crop up and get worse if he's scum, and I'm not seeing that trend.
So... yeah, I wouldn't say I'm clearly scumreading anyone right now. Most of my nullreads are for lower effort participants so far with the exception of Pie, who is null because I'm mainly mistrusting my gutread of his analysis so far. Really hoping Moozer and Austin chime in at some point, but both have been offline since yesterday and are essentially just black boxes.
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@WyIted
I was thinking theme is typically useless and I try to ignore it but lately especially last game it seems to be coming into play often enough where I should stop ignoring it.
Yeah, I dropped it for a bit because I didn’t think I could get it with the theme in play. Should be able to use it alright here assuming there’s a clear enough split.
And I’m good with getting character claims at least from inactives, especially if we’re left hanging through the day. I don’t think Moozer has posted.
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@WyIted
Hmmm… I haven’t started to really consider theme splits this game, but I’ll need to give it some thought myself. Might need a couple of claims before I can make any headway though. Fair to start digging into it.
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@WyIted
So was/is your theory on a theme split that it has something to do with the location they’re recorded?
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@Mharman
Honestly missed where you were asking for engagement. I guess I just skimmed over it.
So based on this most recent response, your first impression was on Mikal. From where I’m sitting anyway, his behavior doesn’t surprise me. It’s a little weird that, given his somewhat scummy read on me, he hasn’t lobbied for anyone else to VTL me like he did last game. I’m not sure if that means he’s just testing the waters and see how people respond or what, but he’s certainly not as dedicated to it this time around. Not sure how to read that either.
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@Savant
I appreciate the read set, even if I disagree with your read on me in particular. I'll post a set of reads myself later when I can sit down and write it out.
As for responding to the specifics, frankly, I don't have a clear strategy. I've said if people want my claim, they can push me for it, but I don't love that it's becoming the norm for Mikal to start in on me because he got me last game. That doesn't strike me as effective game strategy to just keep pushing the same person game after game, and it's frankly frustrating because, in both games, the reasoning has been that I suck at fake claiming and am active. I don't know exactly how you think I should respond to that if you think this response is scummy. I'm not going to vanish into the background so I'm inactive enough that he forgets me, and I'm not just going to surrender information on that basis. At the same time, I'm also not just going to sit here defending myself so, yeah, I put all of one post's worth of attention on one of the inactives.
None of that really matters, though. If you think what I've said so far is scummy and other people agree, I'll give my claim and we can get this over with.
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@iamanabanana
Are we doing the soft claim thing this time? Maybe we should state whether are game show started before the year 2000 or after. Mine was after 2000.
I'm fine with this. Mine started before 2000.
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@Savant
Is Mikal always like this? Personality-wise, I mean, not pressuring you.
Not too distinct from his norm anyway. It's unusual for him to put this much attention on one person this consistently between games, but he does tend to ride a lot on past behavior to inform reads, especially this early. Not even saying it's a bad tactic, it clearly worked last game.
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@Mikal
Don’t get so defensive baby. I’d be mad if I rolled scum twice too
Alright then, I'll just leave it here. If you want to recruit people for my claim, be my guest.
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@AustinL0926
Been a hot minute since you've joined one of these. How have you been?
VTL Austin
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@Mikal
Luna said as town when you get pressure you tell people to fuck off. Why answer me at all?
Because that's what I'm doing. I don't always respond the same way, this situation is relatively new, and I'm not good with it continuing like this, so yes, I'm going to respond.
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@Mikal
Universal Backup is a pretty obscure claim
If that's what you want to believe I'm softing, have at it.
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@Mikal
Your adapting I see.
More like I'm just not down for creating a new meta where the same person is pushed every time.
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@Mikal
VTl whiteflameRunning it back
Mikal, I'm not doing this every game we play. If the goal is to just push me every single game from the outset because I don't fake claim well, then this is going to go poorly because I'm not just going to full claim under pressure due to that alone. It's also more than a little frustrating because I'm not the only one who has struggled with fake claims and we know that scum have access to a fake role and character claim.
The most I'll give you is this: I don't automatically have access to my role.
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@Savant
Hey, glad you got through the championship this year. Read your post about how it went down, sounds a little frustrating, but I hope you enjoyed it to some extent.
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@WyIted
Whiteflame why you force us to play an extra DP lol
Didn’t force anything. I literally voted myself and people just started migrating off of me the moment I did.
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@Mharman
Yeah I can agree with that RM.Lunatic, I’ve correctly sussed/caught Whiteflame three times off his claims (other stuff too but the claims were always the first clue)… I’m not gonna count this one tho
I admit, it's a point of weakness. I've gotten better at other elements of being scum, but that's one I'm still working on.
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@AdaptableRatman
He has post contents breaking your rules on racism.
Be specific. Which rules has he violated and where? He has received a warning about his use of the N-word.
I am willing to post to such a thread if it is made, I can show you how EU laws discuss hate content legally.
You can make the point however you wish.
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@AdaptableRatman
RM, I’m not going to continue arguing this with you. I’m not twisting anything, just stating my perspective in response to yours. If you find posts and profile pics like this repulsive, so be it, I’d just prefer you don’t treat this as me betraying my own ancestors.
As for my response, I’ve already told WyIted that he’s incorrect. If that’s not enough for you, so be it. I don’t feel the need to enforce anything as moderator to demonstrate it.
If you want to change site policy to prevent someone from posting a picture like this as their pfp, advocate for it. We don’t have a lot of existing policy on profile pictures. We have in the past restricted some offensive use of pictures or text that took it too far, but this would be markedly distinct from previous enforcement on our part. We could honestly stand to have some clearer policy on what’s allowed in profiles and opening that up to public discussion would be something I’d support.
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