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@Lunatic
He wasn't asked to claim until this day phase, and claimed when he wasa pressured... He would have been FOS'ed for claiming early too. IF you are a noob its a lose / lose scenario then?
I'm willing to consider the possibility that Pie is scum, but this seems a little dismissive to me. He posted several times after Wylted called for claims and well after my vote was on him. I claimed early in the DP. DD did as well. I don't know why you think we would have FOS'ed him for doing the same. Poly's also been in more than a few games by now, so saying that this is noob behavior doesn't sit right with me.
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@Lunatic
Pretty sure I explained that here, though I'll add that his delay in claiming didn't help him.
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Ah, didn't realize we were at L-1. I'll unvote for now because I do think there's value in extending the discussion, though I do still support a lynch on Poly atm.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Similar to the question of eliminating respiratory viruses, do you believe that SARS-CoV-2 specifically is a respiratory virus that can be eliminated/eradicated?
Probably not. Coronaviruses are notorious for mutations, as are RNA viruses in general. What I suspect will happen with time is the same thing that happens with most viruses of this sort: mutations will result in a variation of the virus that is relatively harmless, that virus will outcompete the other variants, and it will become part of the usual set of seasonal colds. I'd suspect the vaccine would make that happen faster since it's targeting one of the main virulence factors of the virus (the spike protein), where mutations could do the most harm to the virus's ability to cause harm.
Also, you have probably stated this in other posts but what is your opinion on the current vaccination effort for SARS-CoV-2? It seems to me that it is not unreasonable for people to wait for at least 2 to 5 years of safety data in human trials for a new vaccine technology. Nor does it seem like a wise plan to try and vaccinate the entire global population without said safety data.
I don't think any of the existing safety concerns are very troubling. The most we can say is that we don't know what happens far down the line, but I honestly don't know what anyone would characterize as a means for vaccination to cause harm 10, 20 or 30 years out. If we're talking about the RNA vaccines, the nucleic acids are inherently prone to degradation over time, which results in their elimination from the body within 72 hours, about the same as the protein products they yield. I can't fathom a harm that can result after those things disappear from the body. Beyond that, I think we've pretty clearly conducted a very large scale confirmation of both vaccine efficacy and safety. Hundreds of millions have been vaccinated and the amount of harm caused is exceedingly minimal. Contrast that with the virus itself and I think the vaccine has very easily proven itself. I wouldn't say it's unwise to vaccinate a large portion of the population at all.
That being said, I understand why people are concerned, and I don't think it ever makes sense to force people to take a vaccine who are. That generally leads to a lot more problems than it solves. I think a lot of those people either don't understand the mechanisms of the vaccine or feel that there is something insidious included in it, and obviously I have problems with both of those conclusions, but not everyone is terribly familiar with this kind of technology, nor would I expect them to be. I think we'd all be better off if more of the population was vaccinated, but I also know that accomplishing that takes buy-in. I just wish I believed that enough of the population would buy in with more safety data. I get the impression that there are quite a few people who could never be convinced.
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@ILikePie5
Well, guess we wait. I have little reason to sus Pie or Wylted, so I agree that there likely aren't any scum on the wagon.
Something about Luna has been rubbing me the wrong way as well. Maybe it's just the fact that he hasn't been the target of any NKs so far and that MC being NK'd seems awfully random, but that's something we'll explore next DP.
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@Fruit_Inspector
But what would you say the government's goal is with our current virus? Elimination, eradication, or something else?
I'd suspect they're after these lofty goals, but if they were being realistic, the goal would be to drastically restrict the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and to minimize incidence of severe cases. That's really all you can be confident in achieving with a successful and widespread vaccination effort.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I have been hearing that we have never eliminated a respiratory virus as an argument against the constant moving of the goalpost for COVID-19 measures. Since I try not to take statements like these as truth without verifying them, I thought this community would be a good one to present the claim to.Are you aware of a respiratory virus that has been eliminated?And as a related question, do you believe it is reasonable and achievable to attempt to eliminate any respiratory virus?
Hey, I like the solid scientific questions! And since this is virology, I'd love to weigh in.
To the first question, it depends on what you classify as a respiratory virus. I'd hesitate to call smallpox a respiratory virus, and technically that is the only virus that has ever been truly eliminated from the population. Poliovirus might be considered respiratory because it affects respiration, but I'd say it's a nervous system disease that affects respiration by proxy. To Oro's point, SARS and MERS are practically eliminated, but the issue there is that they come from animal reservoirs and any vaccines that have been produced came too late to be all that useful. The better examples I can think of regarding near-eliminations of viral diseases (at least in certain populations or even countries) are things like Rubella and Measles, which are clear examples of respiratory viruses that are clearly addressed by vaccines and, when vaccination is widespread enough, have been eliminated from those vaccinated populations.
But to the point of your second question, part of what's necessary to consider is the relative mutagenesis of each virus. Many viruses are highly mutagenic and often escape immune responses. Those are your Influenzas (which tend to modify their surface proteins quite a bit) and your cold viruses (which are often composed of multiple individual viruses and can get really complicated). There's also other considerations such as the route of infection. Many respiratory infections get into the lungs where the immune response is strong and, if it's directed appropriately, effective. However, many others (often cold viruses) don't actually go that far into the body, staying in the upper respiratory tract. Those viruses tend to elicit strong immune responses for the purpose of spreading, so even if you do vaccinate against them, the effectiveness of said vaccination against getting sick is minimal and against spreading the virus is almost absent.
Long story short, it's muddy. Some respiratory viruses definitely can be eliminated with existing techniques. Most likely can't.
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@Speedrace
Pie both NPs
Huh. Any particular reason you chose him?
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Alright, this role claim makes things interesting.
First off, there are three roles I’ve never seen Supa use before: Restless Spirit (Pie), Doc Enabler (DD), and Universal Backup (Luna). At least one of these is real, even if we assume two scum are among these claims, so I think going based on what we expect from Supa won’t work to figure this out. It is interesting that we have both the ability to bring back a lost role and to have a role shut down by eliminating someone else, odd bit of pseudosymmetry there. There’s also a pseudosymmetry between Poly’s and Pie’s claims, with both of them functioning as pitfalls should they be hit by the NK.
Based on Wylted’s Cop claim, I’d find it difficult to believe that there’s a stand-alone Detective to mirror MC’s JOAT, especially with the knowledge that we had a stand-alone Tracker. I doubt we have a stand-alone BG due to the lack of CC, so I’m throwing out my suspicion that we’d see stand-alone roles that match each of those from the JOAT (at least his mistake gave me that info, not that it was worth it).
All that being said, my current suspicion is that one of the pairs I mentioned above - Pie and Poly or DD and Luna - are scum. I’m not sure which it is, but I stand by my current vote. Poly took way too long to claim, and the claim he made stands out as scummy.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If that’s the case, that makes your claim more sus. An enabler is an odd role in general, but it would be all the odder to select a role that only one other player has and exclude the JOAT who also has the ability to use the same action. Could you ask Supa?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
MC didn’t claim anything. He got NK’d. He’s dead. We know he was a JOAT and we know he had both a 1X BG and a 1X Doc.
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@Wylted
I'll note that I usually scum hunt using a theme split, which is probably my biggest weakness as a player. I'm kind of out of my element going off of behavior, and I'm feeling that this game more than any of the more recent ones. It's fine if you sus me, though. Honestly don't mind being a lynch target given that I'm not terribly useful to town in terms of scum hunting and given that I don't have a PR. I'd like to avoid a mislynch, particularly at this stage, but if it's going to be someone, it might as well be me.
Out of curiosity, what do you make of Poly's continued unwillingness to claim?
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@ILikePie5
Ya Restless Spirit is kind of like a Ghost except if I die get a vote tomorrow. With enabler, the question is why do we need a Doc Enabler? Doctor is still hit or miss, so why an EnablerAlso I’m concerned we don’t have an investigative role yet tho Luna and Wylted haven’t claimed yet I think
Alright, thanks for clarifying that.
I'm still uncertain about the Enabler myself, though I'll note that it's not like the Strengthener. The idea is that anyone with a Doc role would cease to be able to use their roles if the Enabler dies. I think it is a strange choice that the Doc, specifically, was what was Enabled. We know that there were two Trackers (including the JOAT) and at least one Detective (the JOAT), so we know that there were indeed investigative roles (though you're right that Luna and Wylted haven't role-claimed yet - Wylted only claimed his character in DP1), and there's no particular rhyme or reason to Enable Doc over Tracker or any other role that could be here in duplicate.
Still thinking on this one.
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@ILikePie5
Enabler is not something I’ve ever seen Supa used.Anyways I’m Dunkin Donuts and the Restless Spirit
Well, you say that, but I don't believe Supa's used the Restless Spirit, either. Wouldn't be terribly surprised if he did give you that role, given that he just saw Luna use the Ghost role and that could have functioned as inspiration. It would also make some sense for both of these roles to be in the game together, given that yours functions as a pitfall of sorts if you were NK'd (given that you'd still be a factor), and DD's functions as a role whose loss would do extended harm to town. Maybe he was looking for that kind of balance, or maybe I'm just reading too deep into this.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Enabler is a new role to me and does seem a little odd, given that it seems as though both Speed and MC would be reliant on your survival in order to use their roles. I'll also note that that doesn't actually confirm Speed, since we have a known Doc (MC could be the only one with the role, though if I assume you are the Enabler, I'd have a hard time believing you exist solely for the sake of making sure he can use one JOAT role), but it does lend credence to his claim. Generally, I have a hard time believing that scum would give this as their fake claim, and given that you did claim, I'd say this gives you a decent leg up over Poly from my perspective. Your inactivity still doesn't look good, but given that several of us were inactive during the last DP, it's not exactly a good basis for scum reading in this game.
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@Polyglot
I'm not taking issue with the lack of posting chiefly (otherwise Disc would have stood out to me more), but rather with the decision to post what you did during DP2. I found it odd that you only used one of our four posts to say anything relevant to your reads, and in that case, only to lightly sus Disc without providing much in the way of analysis.
I'm not going to defend my lack of activity during DP2, but I did at least provide a basis for not sussing Earth early on, and pretty clearly based my vote on the fact that Speed claimed a protective role, given that that post landed about 15 minutes before mine. It's honestly good to see you posting with more analysis this DP, but I'm also noting that you haven't responded to Wylted's push for a claim from you. Any particular reason you're holding off?
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@Vader
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MisterChris
fauxlaw
I'll come back for the third later. That's a more difficult choice.
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Resolved: Violent revolution is a just response to political oppression
Resolved: Developing countries should prioritize environmental protection over resource extraction when the two are in conflict.
THBT: WiKiPEDIA is a MORE RELIABLE SOURCE for INFORMATION than FOX NEWS
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Well... that's frustrating to lose MC, especially as the JOAT. Probably should have waited longer to lynch in the last DP to see if he got any results. Oh well.
Anyway, I'll claim. I'm Panda Express, and I'm vanilla. I know someone mentioned that they thought Supa had said something about role madness this game. I had wanted to say something then, but I was hoping to bait an NK and confirming myself as vanilla to scum would have made that far less likely.
I know a number of you have been sussing me this game, largely as a result of the Wylted wagon I was on during DP1. I don't have any further justification for that than what I've already provided, and I know that this claim isn't likely to make me any less sus, though I will say that if I was scum, I'd have a lot more reason to buy into the role madness narrative and claim a PR than it is to claim vanilla (with MC, Oro and Earth gone and Speed having claimed, it wouldn't be particularly difficult for me to fake claim at this stage).
In terms of reads, we've seen this kind of setup from Supa before (in the FMA:B game, Winry was the JOAT with BP, Vig and Cop, and we coincidentally had a BP, Vig and Cop), and I think he's doing it again. The one silver lining to losing MC is that we now have a list of roles, one of which we already know was in this game (Oro as Tracker). Speed claimed Doc (would like to know who he targeted last night), which I have more reason to buy now. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if we had a Detective, though a BG would be curious, given that no one CC'd Earth's claim. That makes these parallels a little more tenuous, so I'm not going to rely too strongly on the claimed roles as a basis for getting rid of options.
Behaviorally, I'm reading both Wylted and Luna as town. That just leaves Pie, Poly and Disc, and at the moment, Pie is the one I'm scumreading least of all from this set. The push for the Earth lynch comes off as in line with his usual MO as town, though he could be changing things up as scum. That leaves Poly and Disc. Disc had a grand total of 2 posts during the last DP, which amounted to pointing out Earth's apparent confusion over his role and VTLing him. Not terribly surprising that that set him off, but it's glaring that he didn't engage in any of the subsequent discussion over it. Poly hopped on late and VTLed Earth without explanation, lightly sussed Disc, and talked about his unfamiliarity with Raising Cane's/Zaxby's, which didn't accomplish anything. Both look off to me, and I'd be willing to pursue a lynch on either one, but given that Poly came in at the end of the DP with a good deal of information on the table and barely did anything with it, I'd have to say he stands out more to me right now.
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Alright, that’s actually pertinent info. About time.
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*sigh* honestly, while I find this backtracking from Earth to be fully anti-town (the claim is all the more frustrating because we can’t test it in any way and now that scum know about it, he’s not even a good off-target for the NK), I think this kind of decision would not make any sense for scum. Only way this works is if the person he’s in chat with has been haranguing him this whole time, and he felt his play was so bad that he had to do something drastic. I don’t see Earth making that kind of play.
I agree with Luna’s reasoning on Speed. Saw him as scummy for it during the last DP, still do now.
VTL Speedrace
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@ILikePie5
I can’t say I’m convinced on the Earth train. His behavior hasn’t stood out as too odd to me yet. We’d need a few more votes, anyway.
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@Wylted
I'd say we misunderstand you largely because we don't feel like you're explaining your reasoning up front. You tend to do it in response to pressure, but I often have to wait to get some clarity on why you make a certain move. Honestly, the statement that there wasn't much benefit either way to everyone claiming didn't bother me too much, but voting Oro and taking your time to explain why (and spreading those reasons across different responses) didn't help your case very much from where I'm sitting. I'm growing to expect some of this as we play, but it still puts me on edge from time to time.
Also, unvote. Speed's relative lack of participation still seems odd to me, and I don't really have anyone else that stands out, but no one else seems all that interested in doing anything about it and I don't think getting a claim will accomplish much anyway.
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@MisterChris
Whiteflame - As SCUM I'd think he'd be more supportive of Wylted's suggestion for everyone to claim, and meekly back down and reverse his position should the rest of TOWN disagree. However, Whiteflame's vote on Wylted is interesting to me. Whiteflame has observed Wylted do literally the same thing before for the exact reason Wylted stated... "It was an annoyed emotional vote. I also knew it was pointless, so might as well remove it at some point." It was pretty obvious to me this was standard Wylted just as we've encountered him the past 3-4 games. Like I said before, he is impulsive and doesn't really think his decisions through much. Whiteflame knows this. Wylted's done crazy gladiator gambits and Whiteflame never batted an eye. The fact that Wylted did this indicates pretty much nothing should be common knowledge among us all at this point. Whiteflame's sole saving grace is the fact he seems to be voting Wylted as an early activity-generator... "right now, he's the only person who have any suspicions of so far, so he'll be my vote for the time being." A problem though is it took him a while to relent pressure. He really only relented when TOWN agreed Wylted was just being Wylted and moved on. Now, to be clear, this is all could easily be overanalyzing minute details, but Whiteflame does retain a FoS from me.
There's a lot here that doesn't make sense to me. You acknowledge that my actions would clearly fly in the face of anything I would try as scum. Hell, look two games ago and pretty much the only reason that Supa and I won that game was due to getting the vast majority of claims in DP1 and either getting or inferring the rest in the following DP. Why would I jeopardize an easy opportunity to get even a couple of extra claims as scum?
As for behavioral issues, I'll note that as soon as Wylted made that first statement, I responded:
"Honestly, if you had just said this off the bat, we wouldn't be having this conversation."
So, yes, I recognize that this is absolutely textbook Wylted, and shortly thereafter, I removed the vote (wouldn't say that a single vote on him was exacting much in the way of pressure, and it only took me a few hours to remove the vote). My issue was with the defensiveness from him and the other reasons he was providing for his choices. I wouldn't call this anything like that crazy gladiator gambit (which I arrived very late for and, I'll note, I was SCUM in that game - I'm pretty notoriously passive as scum, much to my own chagrin) - I'd say it initially appeared more akin to his play during the Ancient Roman Battles game where he was jumping around between targets with less than clear reasoning, where he ended up being scum.
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@Lunatic
I don't really like this vote, mostly because you highlighted the exact issue with it's reasoning yet voted because their wasn't any other options. At this point I don't know what you were expecting to get out of wylted by voting for him. Kind of a wasteful vote, with a bit of convoluted reasoning. Disc's original suspicions do make a mountain out of a molehill (which is fine DP1), but even when he pinged me to join his wagon I was like "no that's some next level bad reasoning".
I suppose I get that this is a problem if I tilt my head enough, but I'll note that the reasoning I gave included an explanation for why Wylted, in particular, was an uncertain vote for me when it's based on odd behavior. I was hoping to see how he'd respond to pressure, since my recollection of our experience with him in previous games is that he has some pretty distinct responses as scum vs. town. Maybe that was just in that particular game, but I've noticed that he tends to make strange moves when either he's being pressured. The defensiveness stood out to me at first, but his eventual admission that he just did this on a whim alleviated those concerns.
Wylted isn't a usual player... How many games have we played with him since he's been back?
I admitted this in the very post where I VTL'd him. Fully admitted that I was still trying to separate the unusual for all of us from the unusual for Wylted.
I mean when he claimed he said it doesn't yeild benefit or hurt...
Which is why I found it odd that he was pushing, however lightly, for more claims.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
This isn't terribly unusual for Earth. He tends to take a backseat through the early DPs and contributions later are... mixed.
Not sure what to make of this issue with the vote tally. Will stay tuned for Supa's response.
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@Speedrace
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I'm in agreement with Oro over this. I don't see putting you at L-1 as scummy, and especially given your role, the efforts to delay giving your claim were a little odd. However, I do not believe you're scum at this stage.
In terms of others, Luna has been quiet this DP, though he's given reasons that match with those he's given previously. Not sure why Speed has been involved to such a limited extent - he basically just checked in and then gave his two cents about Wylted later.
VTL Speed
What are your reads?
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@Earth
We can address that later. You said that if town wants you to full claim, you would. 5 votes on you tells you that at least several members of town want you to claim. You should do that.
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@Earth
Dude, you have 5 votes on you. At this stage, you should be claiming, or at least doing something to show why you shouldn't be lynched. I'm not particularly interested in lynching you this DP, but you should seriously be doing more than just giving a weak read of two people and claiming that the last person who joined the wagon is sus.
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Alright, last round of this.
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Lunatic
This is a very distinct choice from my first two. I remember TUF well from his days on DDO, and while he's always been a solid debater and contributor in the forums, this is recognition for his efforts with Mafia on the site. I count at least 11 games he's designed and modded, kept up his efforts during a major slump in activity, has led efforts to get new people engaged with both forum and live mafia (for which he's designed and modded other games), and is a man of true culture for his love of the Stormlight Archive. We recognize a lot of debate and forum activity on this site, but especially going forward from this HoF, I think it will behoove us to recognize other contributions like his.
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Resolved: Violent revolution is a just response to political oppression
Yup, I'm nominating another MisterChris debate, though I'm doing this one for a few distinct reasons. First, I think his opponent, Undefeatable, deserves some recognition. I'm sure he'll make my User list in future HoFs, but for now, he absolutely deserves recognition for the sheer amount of effort he put into this one. He's incredibly quick to post his rounds and still manages to be thorough and incisive. Second, this is just a really interesting topic that I think both debaters explore deeply and thoroughly. Third, it features what is most definitely my longest RFD ever. Seriously, that thing took me a long time to write, and I don't do that for just any debate. An incredibly close debate, one of Undefeatable's earliest (and best, in my opinion), it's worthy of attention and praise for both debaters.
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@ILikePie5
Alright, I’ll set aside Wylted for now.
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VTL Earth
Pretty sure you have to vote three times to summon him, Pie. It’s Beetlejuice logic.
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@Wylted
...Why do you think I was trying to hurt you? I didn't know acknowledging that you did something because you were feeling a certain way was painful, but it wasn't my aim to cause you harm of any kind.
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@Wylted
It was an annoyed emotional vote. I also knew it was pointless, so might as well remove it at some point
Honestly, if you had just said this off the bat, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This is what I thought your reason was from the outset, and the attempts to justify it just made you look scummy. My vote's still on you, but the fact that you're saying this now makes it more likely that it won't stay there.
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@Wylted
And I suppose your single vote that didn't last functioned as punishment for Oro doing the same thing he's always done? If your goal was to punish his bad behavior, then I'm having an even harder time understanding why you hopped off the lynch when you did. Nothing about his behavior changed.
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Adding to my previous vote:
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Ramshutu
Though he's not as active as he once was, his role as both a prolific voter and debater were integral to build up the site, and his part in moderation also deserves some recognition. Kind of surprised he hasn't come up again since just missing out on an HoF spot in the first round of voting, actually.
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Resolved: Developing countries should prioritize environmental protection over resource extraction when the two are in conflict.
Yes, it's one of mine. Had a tough time choosing between this one and my most recent one with David, both of which I enjoyed immensely (and the feedback David and I got from actual lawyers after the debate was incredible). That being said, I have to side with this one, a debate I felt was too close to call after we finished. Blamonkey is an excellent debater and I deeply enjoyed covering this topic with him.
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@Wylted
Considering how many times you've seen Oro do this, I'm still not at all clear on why you chose to sus that in this game. You clearly know that he does this over and over, but because it's in this game with limited value to the analysis, that makes him sus? I'm also not sure why you chose to hop off the lynch on him, since your evaluation of his scumminess still applies. Maybe it's because you're more sus of me now, but considering the only reasoning you gave for hopping off of him and onto me initially was a gut response, the reason for jumping around seems weak at best.
I'd say dismissing any importance to claims and saying that that yields "no reason not to character claim other than how well it relates to your role" may not be a clear call for a mass claim, but it certainly looks like a more subtle effort to acquire information. I don't get what the value is in saying this and claiming beyond trying to get others to claim, and if you were trying to accomplish something different, please explain what that was.
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@Vader
I'll do just one nomination for users and debates, come back and do the rest later.
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MisterChris
I think this is pretty self-explanatory. MisterChris has been a substantial contributor to the site, including providing some of the best debates in recent memory, but he's also stepped up into a moderation role and has worked had to improve the site. I think he deserves recognition.
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TOURNAMENT R(2): Speedrace vs MisterChris (https://www.debateart.com/debates/2333-tournament-r-2-speedrace-vs-misterchris)
I promised I'd nominate this one when I judged it. Gave a long RFD (though certainly not my longest) for this, and looking back, I still wrestle with the decision, which is either a sign of a confusing round or a really good one. This easily falls into the latter category. Both debaters displayed their best work here, and while I strongly considered a later live debate between them (still might nominate it, though I want to distribute the love a bit), I think this is some of the best work each debater has produced, and I feel this was a very even matchup that could easily have been the final round of this tournament.
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@Wylted
This is literally what Oro does every game. It doesn’t matter if it’s against the spirit of it, I’d sus him immediately if he didn’t do it. Saying it pissed you off doesn’t really justify it, nor does pointing out that it’s less useful in this game. It’s DP1, dude. We’re all spitballing at this stage, but for some reason, you chose to call him out specifically for behavior that is not at all unusual.
As for Disc, your response to him in post 23 wasn’t particularly responsive. If claims mean nothing, then there’s no basis for you as town to seek a mass claim to get them. And just because it’s difficult to make connections between roles and characters doesn’t mean it’s unreasonable to expect that some people may be able to sort character claims by those that are likely to have PRs and those that aren’t. Difficulty resulting from weak justifications makes it harder for scum to use the info, but not impossible. How does town benefit?
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So far, I'd have to agree with Discipulus_Didicit that Wylted is looking the most scummy. I was waiting to see how he'd respond to the pressure he's received so far, and though he hasn't been particularly defensive, it does seem as though he's refusing to directly respond to DD and is being pretty scattershot with his choices for a lynch, picking Oro first without any reasoning (and not responding to me when I asked him to justify it, though I will note that it's a little odd that Oro's usual wincon post came up so late in his posting), and then sussing Pie and me for no reason other than a gut reaction. Coming from anyone else, he would be an easy choice for a lynch, but past experience with Wylted has me second-guessing a choice to push a lynch on him, since he often exhibits anti-town behaviors and jumps around on lynches, especially in the early game. That being said, right now, he's the only person who have any suspicions of so far, so he'll be my vote for the time being.
VTL Wylted
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I agree that it's an odd choice from him, though I'll withhold judgement for now.
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@Speedrace
VTL Speedrace for activity. Good to have you back at it, dude, but need to see you involved.
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Alright, done with work and ate dinner, time to check in.
Much as there is no theme split here, I’m going to hold off on claiming. Character claims may not give away much (at least, not based on my own justification), but I’d rather not give scum any indication of who has power roles in this if I can avoid it, and the value in learning characters is minimal in the absence of theme analysis anyway.
Much as there is no theme split here, I’m going to hold off on claiming. Character claims may not give away much (at least, not based on my own justification), but I’d rather not give scum any indication of who has power roles in this if I can avoid it, and the value in learning characters is minimal in the absence of theme analysis anyway.
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@RationalMadman
I disagree with that. Voting for your content also takes into account how your opponent did in a debate or how people have responded to a forum post of yours (unless you somehow decide to vote for a debate that's all forfeits from your opponent or a forum post that is solely your own posts, both of which seem unlikely).
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@Vader
/in, prefer the theme split.
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@ILikePie5
I'd say that both your and Luna's examinations of his responses assisted in my reaching this conclusion, though I also have enough experience playing with MC to notice that this looked unusual.
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@ILikePie5
I can’t say I was convinced, just that he was exhibiting the most sus behavior. The 4X Vig slip was a start, though it was really the more expansive and increasingly frustrated defensiveness that stood out to me.
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@ILikePie5
That's a start. MC could be the culprit, but his saying that he isn't would be a good bit of information. I'm assuming you shot MC?
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