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@AdaptableRatman
Look at your Jewish scripture tonight please. Skip Genesis. Read Ezekiel in particular!
Anything in particular, just all of Ezekiel?
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@AdaptableRatman
You are literally saying you are completely fine with school shootings. Thread should be locked and police contacted.The mods here are unlikely to do much, I pray they do.
Expressing a lack of caring, even in something like mass shootings, is not against site rules even if it’s in decidedly poor taste.
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@Mharman
Yknow I really would’ve liked to get something more out of Cerulean before we hammered here.
Yeah... same.
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@Mharman
I don’t think we’re even testing Moozer here. I think we just straight-up caught him.Did he even claimed his character and justification?
He has not. Part of what keeps irking me is that he keeps holding back on his character claim as though it's valuable to scum to provide it. They've already asked their 4 questions at this point, so I don't think there's a lot of value to withholding it. Restricting his claim only seems to make him look more concerning.
That being said, it's a win/draw. If we caught him, great. If not, the confirmation is fine too.
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@Earth
Bro what changed from yesterday? You were on my dick yesterday because I wanted to test Moozer's role.
First off, I can change my mind about things like this. I've had time to think about it and discuss it with Luna.
Second, I mentioned it all of once to you and then never spoke about it again. It's not one of the main issues I kept revisiting with you.
Third, trying to understand why you supported this line of thinking, something you've continued to avoid explaining, is valid regardless of my perspective at that time or now.
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@Moozer325
As for this DP, I've talked it over with Luna and the Moozer lynch just makes the most sense right now. We likely won't get another chance to test his role, and if the worst case scenario is that we lose out on a lynch to confirm that role, then I don't see it as a substantial harm. We can also revisit Earth next DP, as I'd like to get more insight from those who view him as town.
All that being said, the more I've seen from Moozer behaviorally, the more I believe that he's likely town, so I suspect he'll still be with us next DP.
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@Earth
For this DP at least, I'm not really willing to consider the Luna vote. He's my strongest townread and one post where he said mislynch instead of lynch (we've been talking about this in our chat and he has made very clear that he views you as likely town) isn't really going to shift that, so if that read's going to change, it's not going to be now. It's fair to consider what went into it, and I also don't buy the WIFOM argument he gave you in response, so we can revisit this next DP when we have more time.
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@Cerulean
Alright, want to get my list of reads up early so that we can do at least one push for information before we end up having to make a decision.
Earth - Lean scum. I think I've already made my case clear here and it's been echoed by several others. I don't like that he targeted me and still hasn't provided any reason for doing so beyond just saying that he didn't see my role claim last DP. I don't like that his character justification looks virtually identical to mine and yields a role that doesn't fit it much at all (and in a game where scum can ask about 4 characters if they wish, claiming major characters doesn't do much to move the needle, and a poor justification for an outlying role is entirely plausible for scum to claim). I don't like that his choices of who to sus are almost entirely arbitrary and unexplained. Yes, Earth can sometimes make some very poor choices with his roles as town, and yes, regardless of his affiliation, his reads often come without much in the way of explanation, but I can't just set all this aside because some aspects of his behavior align with his meta. I'm willing to wait on lynching him to give him some opportunity to do something meaningful and actually explain himself in a future DP, but he's likely to remain a scumread the rest of this game.
Banana - Slight scum. I've said before that I don't like her first post and I still don't, particularly given that she says she had a successful night action, which would indicate the Martyr wasn't used. I don't like that her read on Earth amounts to "he feels town to me" and that her read on Mharman is mainly due to a lack of interest in a game that's featured a lot of that. With only 3 posts, it's really hard to read into her behaviorally, though and I think scum Banana wouldn't put herself in a position where she could be outed for her claim of a night action.
Mharman - Slight town. I like his reads by and large and his analysis has been pretty good despite perhaps digging a little less than usual. He was one of my stronger townreads in DP1 because he seemed to be presenting a lot of the same thoughts I had before I posted them. I'm reexamining that this DP, mainly because I can't dismiss the possibility that those who claimed the lack of a night action are trying to stay under the radar. Still, I think he's behaviorally pretty consistent with his townplay and his reads have been good. I'm still willing to seek a claim from him at some point, but he's not my priority at the moment.
Lunatic - Town. Frankly, everything he said about my decisions this DP is entirely fair, I was quick to jump the gun and start interrogating the information we had when it would almost certainly have been better to hold much of what we knew back. Suffice it to say that I had an idea of how to use it that I probably should have talked through with him before pursuing it in full, and that's on me. A scum Neighborizer is not out of the realm of plausibility, but nothing in our chat or in his posts here has tipped me off.
Moozer - Null. I keep flipping back and forth on Moozer. I had a scumread on him by the end of the last DP and that hasn't really changed behaviorally, but his claim balances it a bit. From where I'm sitting at least, it's the kind of claim that invites town to test it. If he'd have come out with this in DP1, he'd likely be a slight townread for me since the risk of losing a lynch was, at worst, a minor concern that early. Having come out with it here, it still moves the needle, but not enough that I'm writing him off. If we don't have another viable target, testing Moozer's role isn't a bad option, and for me at least, it would basically confirm him as town (I understand that it's possible scum could have an Escape Artist, but I don't really buy that Pie would give scum that kind of role and essentially force town to commit to a consecutive lynch).
Cerulean - Null. Another person whose behavior hasn't really tipped me off as being off, though I just don't have as much to go off of with Cerulean. He's given some good insights and responses, but little in the way of reads, particularly this DP. I'm more hesitant to form a clear read on Cerulean based on that alone because he's fooled me on this front before as scum, hence the read being null.
So, my take-away is that I'd prefer to get a claim from either Banana or Cerulean at this point (prefer Banana, though it looks like more people are willing to pursue Cerulean and I would still like to get his reads, hence the vote below), then assuming that information isn't enough to change my calculus, I'd prefer the Earth lynch. I'm not opposed to lynching Moozer and it might end up being the best choice, particularly given how far apart we all are on Earth.
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@Earth
Dude, you're giving me nothing - neither your own motivations for your night action nor any support for your picks for pressure - and expecting me to just move on. It's infuriating.
If you have a reason for pursuing someone that isn't just unexplained PoE, then give it. What makes Mharman and Cerulean stand out to you? Why not Banana? Why are you willing to lynch Moozer just to test his claim when that will almost certainly end the DP with a NL? Give me something, anything, to work with.
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@Earth
...So then you have a reason for thinking that Mharman and Cerulean are sus? Because before, you said the reason was that you didn't sus Moozer and Banana, and now you're saying you're effectively null on Banana.
And now you're just saying straight up that you had no plan with targeting me. Great. Really learning a lot here.
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@Earth
I really don't like that you've been this unresponsive.
I asked now a good while back why you're townreading Banana. I haven't heard a reason yet, despite knowing that being kind of important to understanding your focus on Mharman and Cerulean. If you want pressure on them, explain why you're excluding Banana. Also, why are you OK with testing Moozer's escape artist role if that means sacrificing the lynch?
Also, still no explanation for why you targeted me during the last NP. If you didn't know what my role was, then why was I your choice?
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@Mharman
@iamanabanana
Looking to have you both provide your own insights here.
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@Earth
My PM references Mason as well, though I guess that’s bound to be true of a lot of characters in this game. It’s a little weird to me that your justification is so similar to mine and yet leads to an entirely different role, but from what I can see, both our characters were prisoners of Vorkuta who helped Mason escape and were KIA.
Oh I forgot. I targeted WF, He was either visited or did a visit.
Yeah… I don't like this. I know you said you didn’t see my role claim, but it was the only one from last DP, discussion of it took up a lot of that DP, and you were at least somewhat active by the end of it. Doesn’t help that I’m easily the safe choice here, since my result was entirely predictable. Even if you thought I was scum, all you’d be likely to see is that there was movement. I’ve also noticed that you haven’t yet given your reasoning for targeting me based on what you did know at the time.
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Just got home and sitting down to dinner. I'll post afterward, just wanted to check in.
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@Earth
You're at L-1. I'll remove my vote just in case, but consider it on you until you claim.
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@Moozer325
Banana: Slight scum, I still don't really understand why so many people assumed what seems like the less likely scenario, WyIted being the NK, so I'm kinda forced to scum read them a little. Other than that, it's mostly PoE.Mharman: Slight Scum, same reason as Earth, plus he also assumed WyIted was the NK
I'm fine pursuing either or both of them for a claim after Earth, though I have more reason to pursue Banana based on my own reads. The lack of posting makes it somewhat difficult to evaluate what's going on with her, but that first post rubbed me the wrong way.
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@Earth
Got back late from a performance of Hamilton (loved it!) and crashed hard, so I'm catching back up this morning.
Surprised to see there are no votes posted on anyone, doesn't seem like anyone has strong opinions on who to pursue. At this point, I'm good with pursuing Earth for a claim at minimum. I've noticed none of his responses to me have taken into account what I said earlier about how he should have known that WyIted's role wasn't used, but continued to behave as though he was unsure. I'd also like more insight into his reads because, so far at least, they amount to sussing based on PoE alone (and apparently just shrugging about picking Cerulean in particular to pressure) and I don't really understand what he "likes" about Banana's and Moozer's responses to the NK, particularly as the former has only posted twice and her first post also clashes with what she's said about having used a role.
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@Earth
I must have been confused because I read your posting thinking you were a RB.
I guess I can see that, since I mentioned RBs a few times. My role indicates that at least one RB or manipulation role is in play that it can address. Since WyIted's role would have just RB'd me and everyone else simultaneously, that role doesn't cover it.
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@Earth
Whats your role again?
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@Lunatic
I know I’ve seen it scum sided but I can’t remember the games off the top
It's new to me, but fair enough.
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@Lunatic
Why would town need an ability that prevents them getting lynched lol
From my experience, confirmation. Only ever seen a lynchproof townie.
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@Moozer325
Yes, my role does end the DP if I'm lynched. I didn't really mean semi-confirmable, I just didn't want to say I was fully confirmable and then drop the bomb that we probably wont be able to confirm me.
Just for future reference, I might have advocated for my own lynch in DP1 if I was in your shoes. Early confirmation during a phase where we didn't have any strong scumreads isn't as costly, and there's not a lot of value to keeping your role under wraps.
I get that no one was leaning heavily on the assumption that WyIted got NKed, but the fact that it was the first thought of people is still weird to me. If someone with a role that kills them dies, it seems most likely that they used the role, right? Is there some reason that everyone thought it was more likely he was NKed that I'm missing? Because until I figure out why so many people went there first, it seems kinda suspicious in itself that it was the first though of some people, even if they didn't lean hard on that or stick to it long.
It's something I'm considering as well. I know if I'm reading through the OP, sometimes I'll skim it first, register who was killed, then go back through and figure out the details. Someone might do the same and post in that in-between period with thoughts. Not going to give them the benefit of the doubt for doing that, just saying I can see how someone might do it as town.
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@Moozer325
What interests me about the whole Martry situation is that so many people assumed he didn’t use it. Not that it wasn’t an okay assumption, but it seemed so clear from the info we had that he has used it.Multiple people echoed that WyIted was a weird NK and when a Martry dies DP1, it seems more likely that they used their ability than were killed, right? Scum would obviously know that WyIted was NKed, so it’s a possibility that one of the people who assumed he was NKed right out of the gate scum slipped a little.This line from banana fits that bill a little:If he used his martyr then wouldn't there be no night kill?But I could also see that being s genuine question. Maybe there’s some reason that so many people went this way that I’m missing. If so, I’d like to hear it.
I agree that if someone came off as pretty certain that WyIted was NK'd, that would come off as a concerning, particularly if they didn't use a night action (since they'd have no way to know that his role hadn't been used). If they did have a night action and assumed that their success implied that WyIted didn't use his role, that makes more sense to me.
That being said, I don't think anyone falls into this camp. Mharman assumed the NK, but then said he might have sacrificed himself. Cerulean talked about how he might have had incentive to use his role. And you assumed early that he had used his role. Like I said earlier, I don't like that being Banana's first response to the flip since she wouldn't have received any indication that her role had failed, so she should already have had some insight into whether his role was used. That being said, it was just one post and could be genuine, as you say.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, that’s why I said I’m only semi-confirmable. Town has to give up a lynch to confirm me which just isn’t worth it.
I disagree that that's semi-confirmable. It's fully confirmable. Upon lynching you, we know you are either entirely lynchproof or, as you say, the escape artist (which is effectively a 1X lynchproof). Scum are exceedingly unlikely to have a role that prevents them from being lynched, so it's also pretty strong confirmation of your affiliation.
That being said, if lynching you ends the DP (I'd just like to confirm that), then limiting PoE by lynching you probably isn't worth the cost. It's a better choice than a straight VTNL, at least, but that's about it.
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I do find it odd that both of the people who have claimed to have night actions didn't have anything to say at the start of the DP about how WyIted's role didn't affect them. Banana only had one post before this where she asked if the use of the Martyr would have prevented the NK, so maybe she just didn't consider how it would have affected her role or didn't get to the point of posting about it. Harder to say why Earth, who posted multiple times after the start of the DP and asked Luna about why he didn't believe WyIted used his role (can't find anywhere that Luna said that), didn't mention anything about his own perspective on WyIted having used his Martyr role despite having pretty clear evidence that the Martyr wasn't used (successful use of his own role). That stands out to me as sus.
Anyway, I targeted Mharman NP1. As I said during the last DP, I was townreading him and it was mainly a choice between him and WyIted, the latter of whom I had more reason to townread (his exchange with me over the interplay between our roles in particular gave me town vibes), but WyIted did mention that my role wouldn't affect his (obviously true now that we see the flip), so I ended up going for Mharman. Since Mharman claims he didn't perform a night action, it doesn't seem to have mattered.
As for other thoughts, the existence of my role does suggest that someone has an RB or redirect that can be countered by my Strengthener. WyIted's could not, so it's likely scum have one or both of them. There might also be a town RB/manipulation role in play.
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@iamanabanana
My action was not blocked that I can tell.
So you did perform a night action then. Alright.
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@Moozer325
Alright, I'm an escape artist. I get a free pass if I'm lynched in the DP. Essentially I can't be lynched the first time around, but then I'm confirmed so why Lynch me anyways.
I'm fine with this for now. So what happens if you are lynched and use your role? Does the DP end?
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@Moozer325
I'd say it's worth clarifying what your role is. I'm headed to bed, but I'll take a look back at this in the morning.
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@iamanabanana
Just leaves you, Banana. Did you commit a night action?
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@Earth
Missed that. So we have:
Mharman, Cerulean, Moozer: claim no night action
Earth: claim night action
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*Cerulean states he didn’t perform a night action.
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Just keeping score (treating my night action and Luna’s as a given).
Moozer claims to have a day action, implying that he doesn’t have a night action. He says he’s semi-confirmable, so I’ll need a good reason to know why he wouldn’t use his role this DP to narrow PoE.
Cerulean states he perform a night action.
Earth claims he did commit a night action. I’m going to assume that he isn’t also claiming to be RB’d and therefore that whatever he did successfully went through.
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Pie responded to me, so I can now confirm that I would have been informed if I had been RB'd. That implies my role was successful.
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@Cerulean
Just to clarify, you were added midway through the night, but WyIted's role still would have disrupted the ability? That doesn't make sense from a priority perspective- am I misunderstanding you?
I was told in no uncertain terms that WyIted's role would take priority over all night actions if used. I was added during the night, and received an invite to the chat shortly before this DP went up. Since I was added during the night and that night action went through, WyIted's role was not used.
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@Earth
Just out who you used it on hombre.
I'm going to need a good reason to do that with no claims of night actions beyond my own and Luna's on the table. I can justify who I picked and why anytime. There is value in knowing who claims to have performed a night action that will vanish if I give up that information now.
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@Lunatic
So I can confirm that WyIted did not use his role. I was recruited to a chat with Luna during the NP as a result of his role, and we confirmed with Pie that WyIted’s role would have taken priority over other night actions. That also explains why he initially believed his role might help confirm mine, but then changed his mind after asking Pie about it: if his role has priority over any other role, then mine would have been blocked as well, preventing me from using it on anyone.
In any case, I don’t expect anyone to townread either me or Luna simply because this happened, as it would not be a first for there to be a recruitment role on scum, even one that doesn’t bring those they recruit to the scum chat (I can confirm only Luna and I are here). Nonetheless, I’m townreading Luna based on his claim and reasons for targeting me. I’ll leave it to Luna to decide what he wishes to provide in terms of information and perspective.
I’m hoping we have more to work with than just this and the flips so far, though given that everyone’s posted and no one else has stated their confirmation of having taken a night action that wasn’t blocked, I suspect that we don’t have another investigative role (since they would necessarily receive an “action failed” message) or they were themselves blocked by some other night action. I did use my role and I will get to who I used it on, but if anyone wants to out that they were RB’d, now’s the time. I received only a confirmation of my target, and I have asked Pie if I would be notified of its failure.
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@Earth
Another thing to note, not necessarily a scummy thing, is that WF suggested we soft, Lunatic gives a reason why he doesn't want to and immediately relents. I thought that was weird.
My issue here was, as I expressed in the post suggesting it, that I don't know enough about this game to make a call on what kind of softclaim would be sufficient to give us some insight without giving scum too much information. I'm relying heavily on others' knowledge of the game. My own research suggested this wouldn't narrow the window too much, but when I see multiple people stating that this would give too much information, I defer to that.
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Haven't had as much time as I'd like to write up a set of reads, but I can't let the DP end without them. I'll note that, with roughly 8 hours left in the DP at time of writing, we're still very short on options, particularly if Bullish is obstinate. I've already stated my thoughts on Moozer and Bullish, neither of which have shifted much. Could be a team, but I doubt it.
Casey - The response to my initial efforts for a softclaim and, in particular, the follow-up question make me townread Casey for the time being. It's a light behavioral read, but I'll take it.
Lunatic - We've been through plenty of arguments before and this seems less pointed than I'd expect if Luna was going for a mislynch opportunity. His analysis has been pretty good and his responses to me have made sense, even if it does seem like he's adding in small points that aren't entirely accurate. Null.
Mharman - I'm never all that surprised to see good analysis from Mharman. We mostly seem to be on the same wavelength and he's been coming out with many of the same thoughts I have before me, so he looks town to me.
WyIted - Slight townread, mainly a gutread on this one. The back-and-forth with me after my claim comes off as "I have a good idea to town confirm you" that I don't think scum would suggest they have at all.
Earth - His responses to Casey's questions look at least somewhat distinct so he's not just following someone's lead and his pushback on Bullish's sussing Mharman makes sense. Not a lot to grab onto given the limited posting, so he stays null for me.
Banana - Not enough posting to work with, since she's only posted 4 times including a check-in. I like her response to Casey, but other than that, it's just been a question about a post Casey incorrectly referenced and an issue with the type of pushing we're doing, and that last one makes me hesitant to put her in the town camp. The potential to reveal strong town PRs is a given from pushing anyone. She knows this by now. So those last two posts balance to null.
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@Mharman
Bo Burnham Mafia DP1Not a whole lot of defense of the claim itself, but rather a defense of him making the claim.
Honestly forgot about this one, though I'll note that even this was a special case: I literally just claimed my scum role verbatim. Definitely a poor approach, but I don't think there's a scum Strengthener in this game.
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I'm fine with getting a claim from either Moozer or Bullish at this point, as I said last night, so I'll join the Bullish wagon:
VTL Bullish
His behavior has been all over the place this game, jumping from saying he doesn't know much about the game and being happy he doesn't have to research it to asking WyIted if he wants to buddy to a relatively random attitude towards sussing and a pretty weak response to the claiming discussion. At the very least, I'd like a firmer idea of where he's sitting so far in this game, since he hasn't provided much insight.
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@Lunatic
I'm going to restrict my responses to you to just a few points since I don't really have many points of disagreement. I can't recall a game where I've just rolled over this hard as scum, but it wouldn't be a first for me to try something new to get townread, even something risky like this.
While initially I think I was more shocked at the idea of you claiming over one vote, your rationalization for why you would do it kind of makes sense if you are actually telling the truth here.
I claimed after WyIted posted his vote, so two were on me. I'll also note that, by that point, there was already less than 24 hours left in the DP. I could have stonewalled both of you and claimed that the sus on me was virtually baseless, but doing so would ensure a relatively random lynch at the end of this DP with very little information (maybe one or two claims, which may be all we get at this point) based on limited scum tells. I've given claims like this under limited pressure before as scum so I'm not going to argue that I'd never do this in that camp. I'm not giving this as a reason to townread me, just as a reason why I'd claim at this point.
So what happened with the moozer read? Did you change your mind on it?
As you saw from the rest of my post, no, not really. He's still among the more sus players in this game for how his posts have looked so far, which is a mixture of fluff and parroting. I thought the posts from WyIted were odd as well, but they seemed a little weird to call out as sus.
Yes but you are a debater. Since when would you let me "bully" you out of a read if your read was genuine? You just typed out a paragraph to respond to me here, so your willpower to try and convince me is clearly not evaporated. When I started that pressure you could have responded to it by further justifying your read on moozer, why you think he is more likely to be scum, why maybe I am giving him too much of a noob pass or a mod psyche pass, etc etc.
I didn't use the word "bully" so I'm not sure why that's in quotes, and I haven't changed my read, so I'm not sure where that's coming from. I didn't provide a detailed read before and my responses to you didn't cover it since you didn't really mention it in the post I was responding to (not to mention you sussed me for reasons other than my read on Moozer, so I'm not sure why you'd assume I'd just place my focus there).
While I am considering the reasons you mentioned town would do this, the lack of defense for your initial position made me assume you realized the read was also scummy, and was why you stopped pursuing it. In place of you stopping to pursue one read, I would have expected t!whiteflame to then prepare a new route for us to pursue, but it seems you have decided to entirely go on the defense here. I am really trying to understand this behavior from a t!whiteflame stance.
Luna, I'm baffled because I don't know why you think I stopped pursuing my read on Moozer. I've stated now multiple times that I'm still reading Moozer as sus, this is not my first time mentioning it after my first post saying anything about him. Just because my focus shifted to addressing the sus on me specifically doesn't mean I dropped my read. If you want to argue that I as town would always try to turn this around and pursue a scumread, I'd love to see your evidence for that from previous games. There aren't a lot where I'm sussed this early as town and I don't recall any where I just went on the attack instead. Especially this early where I only have weak reads and a claim that was bound to be sussed the moment I gave it, I would think any strong push to draw attention elsewhere, particularly to a player you've now said multiple times is likely to be a mislynch target early in this game, would be more likely to hurt my case than help it.
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
I haven't really said anything about my justification so far and it looks like it's gotten more attention overnight. From where I'm sitting, it doesn't really fit. When we did that Phoenix Wright game a while back, I recall my partner fake claimed Strengthener using a character whose whole thing was drinking coffee, which made more sense and came after a revelation that there was a town RB, which made it more believable. In this game, the justification is relatively weak (it does talk specifically about his strength and not really empowering others, though I guess you could argue that Sergei's efforts empowered Mason - that's me reading into the justification, it's not what it literally says) and I don't have any other claims to use as a basis for the existence of a Strengthener.
I'm not trying to make a WIFOM argument here about how I would have used the Strengthener if I was scum, I know that's BS. It would absolutely not be a first for me to come up with a weak fake claim and then try to pass it off as a poorly written PM. I'm just articulating the points of weakness in my claim because being straightforward about it is better than getting defensive over it at this point.
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@WyIted
I was just asking pie how the strengthener would work with my role because I thought it would be great to use it on me but then he told me that it would not do anything for me if it does exist in the game.So I was going to ask him to use it on me, but then found out it was pointless.
That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.
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@Lunatic
I don’t really like your logic on this one, mainly because you’ve gone from arguing that I’d be more defensive as scum to saying that I wouldn’t roll over as scum. I’m not exactly known for suggesting I should be any kind of priority when it comes to a lynch as scum, particularly not this early, but I guess it’s possible that I just eschewed my meta entirely. As for what I’d do as town here, I’ve already stated that I’m out of my depth on the theme and my strategy to use soft claims to get some ideas was already discarded. I don’t have much in the way of behavioral reads, so yeah, I’m not just going to pick someone else and try to divert attention when I’ve drawn it to myself with my claim.
I recognize the challenge my role presents, mainly in my inability to confirm myself and the difficulty involved in using it well on a target that is not scum. So I’m always going to be null or scumread, and that was true the moment I was pushed to claim.
As for rolling over, I would hope there’s a reason to push for more information than what I’ve provided. We don’t have a single other claim on the table and no one else apparently has any reason to pursue any kind of softclaim, and it seems like the scum hunting in this game is so far focused on using a few weak scumtells to pick targets for a claim. I wouldn’t mind that if the decision to sus certain players wasn’t treated as sus in and of itself.
So if you’re asking me how I’d prefer to proceed at this point, I’d prefer to get a couple of other claims. I’m unclear on why Mharman is your choice, but I could see a case for Bullish or Moozer right now. I’m not writing up a set of reads because I’m going to sleep, but I can give more detailed thoughts as to why tomorrow.
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@Moozer325
You're talking about his statement that he might be able to confirm something due to my claim only to then just say "Nevermind", right?
Honestly not sure what to make of that.
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@Lunatic
Mainly based on what little info I had about the character and what I perceived as the townier move. I figured giving what looked like a relatively minor character as my claim wouldn’t cut it, and having my role pressed for only to reveal it as Strengthener would only make it look more sus.
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@Lunatic
I mean, if the alternative is to lynch at random, I'm OK with being the default lynch. The Strengthener role isn't terribly likely to be consequential in this game in any case, which is part of the reason that I'd never really considered fake claiming this myself, but that's WIFOM. I don't know much about the character so I can't speak to that element of it.
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