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Fuck it.
I’m Sergei Kozin. I’m known as the Monster of Magadan, my strength was essential to bolster Mason in particular to escape a labor camp and return to the US during the Vorkuta uprising. I’m the Strengthener.
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@Lunatic
@Cerulean
If enough people want my claim, I’ll give it, even if the basis for pursuing it is, as both of you have admitted, relatively weak. Haven’t been pushed early in a while and I’ve been more passive this game for the most part beyond my efforts towards a softclaim. If that plus my thoughts on Moozer are reason enough for at least a couple of people to sus me (I know Cerulean hasn’t voted me yet, but he’s flagged me, hence the tag), I’ll accept it and claim.
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@Mharman
Fair enough on the reads. I haven’t had much time to put into this game, though I’ll give my own set of reads as the day goes on. I’d flagged Moozer as well for how he responded to Casey’s question and the softclaim suggestion, both of which just seemed like efforts to stay away from positions that stand out.
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@WyIted
If there are less claims on the table and ability to lie than it may be better to push claims on players bad at coming up with fake claims
We've done this strategy a few too many times for my liking, especially given how rarely it's done anything beneficial for scum hunting. Seems like it should be a last resort if we can think of no other reason to push anyone for a claim.
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@Casey_Risk
Fair enough. In the interest of furthering discussion, however, I'll take a page right out of your book and ask you and everyone else a question: Do you think scum would be more likely to push for or against softclaims in this case?
As the person who was pushing for softclaims, I wouldn't say it swings either way. I was functioning under the mentality that it's better to put people in character buckets early, particularly when it's likely that scum haven't asked all their questions. It gives them information, sure, but I don't think enough to be actionable. I also think it requires everyone to do a bit of reading on their characters, which may happen anyway just from suggesting the idea.
That being said, my ignorance of the theme means I don't have a clear idea how well this kind of softclaim would narrow things down. Maybe it does more so than I thought, and so people who pushed back against the idea who have claimed to know a good deal about the theme make sense to me, even if I'm just deferring to their knowledge.
That just leaves people who don't know a lot about the theme and pushed back on softclaiming anyway, which may be a matter of how they normally respond to softclaims or something more. Will need to consider those cases more carefully.
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*shrug* Alright, seems like most everyone is opposed to softing, so I’ll leave it there.
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@Lunatic
I mean, that's why I included the "uncertain" category. You don't have to specify where you fall under that. At least from the number of characters in the game who fall into these three camps from what I've read, I can't see this as giving away too much information. Maybe I've misread something.
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1. Casey
2. Lunatic
3. Bullish
4. Whiteflame - Character died
5. Mharman
6. Moozer
7. Earth
8. Banana
9. Wylted - Character died(?)
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I don’t really know enough about this game to be able to figure out what would make a good basis for a mass softclaim without revealing too much. Nationality might be too specific, so maybe whether your character is alive, dead, or uncertain (alive or dead by player action or just unclear) by the end of the game?
I’m fine with starting: my character dies.
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@Moozer325
I haven't played with bullish too much, but what do people make of this post?thank fuck I'm town cause I wasn't about to do research for this game
Understandable. From Bullish, it’s a null tell. I’ve seen him give similar remarks when he’s been on both sides, including when I was scum with him. Just his thing.
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I have no knowledge of these games, so I’ll be relying on others for theme analysis this game.
Anyway, just checking in for now. Interesting choice changing up the nature of the questions so that scum can ask four questions of any nature rather than the usual siloed set. Going to need to be careful about the amount of info we give out since he usually gives scum the full DP to ask.
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Current Mafia:
None
Sign ups:
iLikePie5- choose your theme
In the Hopper:
Bullish - Themed semi-open
Lunatic - Theme choice
Wylted- Lulsec
Whiteflame - Microbiology
On hold
Earth - Tales of Symphonia Mafia
Mharman
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I'll give this another go, do something close to my heart.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It wasn't decided by me. I gave everyone plenty of opportunity to give me a reason town would be advantaged. You couldn't speak of course, so if you want to explain it be my guest. I'm not interested in hearing the others repeat their unsupported assertions.
I actually did respond to your point that it didn't matter and didn't receive a reply, but setting aside those responses, I think the fact that you got lynched in part because of your intransigence is reason enough by itself. Even if town gained absolutely no value from the information of who you used your role on and why, it clearly became a substantial part of the basis for your lynch. You can say that voting to lynch you on that basis was a bad decision, but you can't argue that it was a substantial factor that moved townies to make that decision. Assuming you still wanted to win (certainly didn't seem like it past a certain point), doing what you could to prevent your own mislynch had clear value.
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@Casey_Risk
I'll give more thoughts later on the game, but I like the setup, even if how it played out is still beyond me. There are sure to be a number of disagreements over what strategies are beneficial for town members with certain roles to take, particularly when it comes to risky gambits, but it's good to see that Luna's still taking big swings with his scum play. The setup seems mostly balanced from where I'm sitting.
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@Lunatic
So if pie had voted for me my last ditch effort to you would have been a “join the dark side” speech. Just curious if you would have sided with me or town in that case?
You would have won me over. Was actually courting that a bit, mentioned to Casey that I’d decided that, if town was just going to keep shooting themselves in the foot, I’d just win with scum.
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@Cerulean
Why did you hide on that last Night? A Survivor claim like that was never going to be targeted for a NK when Vader existed (and me if you thought I was Town.)
Small chance you’d aim for me just to prevent the dual win or in case you thought I was hiding another TP role.
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@Vader
I had such a gut feeling that Luna was doing the same thing he did with the justice. If town was actually honest about their roles it would've 10x easier
I'd love to know what the fuck was going on with those flips. Were people just straight up lying about their roles?
And yeah, it was a risky play, but he did it well.
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@ILikePie5
Games over
Yep, figured. There's a reason I hid behind you.
VTL Banana
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Ah, 3 votes, 2 on Banana. I'll hammer if we reach the end of my workday without a response from Cerulean.
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@Cerulean
Alright, that's two votes on the board, one for each other. Obvious enough. Pie's made his position clear and I don't see a world in which he votes for himself, so that puts Cerulean in the position to be able to sway my vote one way or the other. I think both Luna and Pie have made good points suggesting Banana is the appropriate choice, and your previous post seems to suggest that's more likely than Luna being scum.
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I’ll vote at the end of the workday (so around 6-6:30 PM EST) regardless, so ppl should make their choices clear, if not just post their votes before then.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@Cerulean
@iamanabanana
I'm good to make a decision at this point, but since my position is pretty much secure regardless, I'm just going to let someone convince me of how to vote. Since Pie's suggested he has a good scum tell to use, he's my pick to sheep atm should he have a good case, but I'm open to suggestion.
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@ILikePie5
Yep, just running around this morning for work.
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Anyway, it's late. I'll rejoin the discussion in the morning.
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@ILikePie5
Can you all write your justifications once again here after rereading your PMs
I'm good with continuing to hash this out, seems kind of silly to just let the game go to waste because we're at LYLO.
I'll summarize from scratch:
I'm known for escaping exile, returning to Russia each time. When the USSR was created, I became an important person in the mix, opposed Stalin's rise, and was once again exiled. This time, I died in exile. It's not said directly, but I take from my persistence that the Survivor is a given. The Hider role may have just been added to improve my odds, since it doesn't seem that Trotsky hid even after his final exile.
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@Cerulean
I can make a decision at any time, but I want to give you a chance to give your thoughts. If not, then I can just go ahead and make it.
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@Cerulean
I’ve got my class starting soon, so Cerulean, you have a while to mull.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll at least want everyone else to post first. The game is likely over, but everyone should at least have a chance to say something
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@ILikePie5
Honestly trying to decide on that front. Pretty sure I know who scum is already.
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@ILikePie5
You have a free win here anyways tbh
*shrug* I'll take it, just have no clue how this game went this far south.
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@ILikePie5
Stupidity
It's certainly... something. Anyway, I hid behind you so if we actually manage to lynch scum this DP and you're NK'd, that will come up on the report.
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Also, emphasizing this for good measure. DO NOT CAST A VOTE UNTIL YOU FEEL CERTAIN OF YOUR CHOICE.
Today is LYLO. All votes, once cast, are FINAL — they cannot be changed or removed.
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So... wait, ADOL was just lying as well? WTF is happening in this game!?
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@Sir.Lancelot
Might as well get /in on this. Look forward to it.
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Yeah, I'm fine with this lynch as well. Certainly had enough discussion over it.
VTL ADOL
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@ILikePie5
I’m fine being lynched. Don’t know if anyone visited me though, so don’t know if it truly will be beneficial, but from my POV, game is solved. I think Ceru is the best lynch today. JK is a common fake claim for an RB and it solves our 3 protective role problem. Plus I don’t think there are 2 scum on Luna’s list. So my working theory is Ceru + ADOL/Banana
If we’re considering Ceru, then I’m going to need some explanation for why scum chose to use their RB on Vader. I get that it’s possible, but that’s the one thing that doesn’t add up. Why would Ceru as scum use his RB on Vader, then just straight up say that he’d done it rather than allowing pressure to build against Vader?
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@ILikePie5
I was typing it up when you posted this lol
Lol, one step ahead. Yeah, I understand with that role, though it definitely doesn’t make you a priority lynch, particularly if we have enough information. Can see a world in which you’d say you’re a late auto-lynch, wait until everyone else claimed, and just figure out a good claim to go along with it that would not be an auto-lynch (I think this is arguable), but I expected Dostoevsky to be in this game, so I think this is believable.
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@ILikePie5
I’m largely fine with that set of people remaining in PoE, though I will note the lack of a claim from you is still pretty glaring. Is there a good reason to withhold at this point?
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@ILikePie5
The justification is mainly a rundown of his history. He was exiled twice to Siberia, escaped both times, was exiled yet again and opposed Stalinism during its rise while in exile. So I survived a lot of attempts to take me out of the picture, and attempted (fruitlessly) to oppose Stalin from exile. Not so great of a link on the Hider front but Survivor makes sense.
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@Lunatic
I’m down to ignore lynching third party this game and just scum hunt for second place. Or do you joint win?
Yes, I joint win.
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So... yeah, don't know if ADOL is coming back at this point, and he's clearly not moving on this front, so that's not helping anyone. Maybe he gets subbed out (lot of that going around this game), but I'm not going to delay any longer on my end.
I'm the TP, specifically the Hider-Survivor, but I've largely just been playing this as I would a town Hider. I used my role on Banana since I figured she would be the least likely target of an NK (already used her Executioner role, wasn't the only person widely townread) hoping that someone might try to use their role on me, either for confirmation or to catch them in a lie, since their role would fail. Doubt it will be useful in that regard after this claim, but here we are.
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@Vader
Then either I was redirected or your fully lying because I never got a notification saying the action failed
Might want to ask Casey if he'd inform you whether your role had failed. I'm guessing not since your role isn't investigative.
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@Vader
Looks like I have some catching up to do then or WF was lying about him getting a fruit which would make him scum
...So wait, where are you getting this? I don't think being JK'd makes it impossible for anyone to interact with you, it usually just prevents you from being the target of an NK. The fact that you were targeted with the JK in NP2 is the reason Pie didn't receive the fruit - if he'd been targeted, he would have received it. Also, wouldn't that imply that I would have somehow figured out you were the Fruit Vendor NP1 and knew you targeted me?
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@iamanabanana
Also I didn't get any results or messages last night to indicate whiteflame visited me, so I don't know what that's about.
You wouldn't have received anything. I'll get to the explanation on that once we've heard from ADOL again. If he continues to refuse to state what happened, I'll just out what I did and why.
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@Cerulean
I am Nikita Khrushchev. Because he negotiated for peace and safety, in some cases at the cost of effectiveness in other areas, I am the Jailkeeper. Each Night, I target someone- they are roleblocked, but protected from lethal actions.I was on Whiteflame N1 and Vader N2.
Alright, that is protective in a way that could square with the existence of a White Mage and even a BG. I decided to waive NP1, so I didn't notice the effect of your JK. Guess I can still receive fruit with it. Also, good to know why Pie didn't receive one.
I targeted Whiteflame Night 1 for two reasons. I thought that if he was Town and User was Scum, he might be a nightkill target, because he was against User but not really "leading the charge," so to speak. The second reason was because if WF was Scum, he might have carried the nightkill, since he was not really on anyone's radar. Either way, a lack of kill would have given me information.
Fair enough reasoning. At the very least, it means I couldn't have done anything NP1.
My hot take is that we should not hammer this phase too early, although I do think ADOL is probably the correct vote.
Fully agreed. There's no rush whatsoever, but so long as ADOL is withholding information like this, he's making himself the likely lynch.
Not true. We have 7 alive. If there were 3 scum, this would be LYLO, and that would have been announced:I will announce when a day is a MYLO/LYLO day. (Casey, Day 1 OP)
Good point, didn't remember this.
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