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As for some of my thoughts on the game, here are the basics.
It's clear that there isn't a town killing role or a protective role that can prevent the NP2 NK. Both choices would disrupt the numbers required for this setup to progress, so we can assume that the NK will go through (otherwise we won't have 8 at the start of the next DP) and that no one else will die during the night.
Regarding the number of scum, it seems tricky to guess with this setup. Austin allowing the dead to vote ensures that scum cannot become the majority by virtue of eliminating enough people, and if this was a normal game, I'd expect 3 scum. I'd still expect that this game. Having 4 scum would slant the vote significantly, and given that these are silent ballots, there's no risk to them voting together. And 2 scum increases the risk of eliminating them early and ending the game. So I still think 3 is the right balance to strike to make a game like this work, though I'm still trying to get a handle on the details.
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@Casey_Risk
Got some thoughts on the game, but I don’t want to hold this up to write them out:
I’m Theory.
I’ll stick to online players and popcorn to Casey.
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Just posting to say I'm here. I'll come back when I have a second.
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I’ve got my debate class to teach this evening so I’ll be on tonight after the DP is posted, but it might be a bit. Just FYI.
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@Mharman
I’ll review it so you can play
Still gotta finish making it, but I appreciate that.
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@ILikePie5
@Casey_Risk
Just play, I’m co-modding anyways unless someone else is sitting out that would like to reveiew
Alright, no guarantees in terms of time commitment, but /in
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@Casey_Risk
Was hoping to take a break to work on the design for the next game. I'll consider it, though.
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I’m just glad I got to preach the gospel of treif. Didn’t have that on my Mafia bingo card.
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@ILikePie5
Game was solved. We just had throwers in our midst.
You’re not wrong.
And I’d give you a Crab God claw if I could. Praise be to that glorious crustacean.
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@ILikePie5
Okay so you’re lynchproof, not deathproof. What was your original character and the stuff in double brackets?
My original character is my current character, since that wasn't swapped. It is Mistrust in GMOs. It includes activism is easy in those double brackets.
What is your wincon?
Now that I'm not the Survivor, I win with town.
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Alright, I'll clarify things before the DP gets too messy and covered with the word of the great and terrible crab (also before I head out to an appointment - I can try to answer questions whenever I'm available).
I am actually the TP and I had a dual role as the Bio-Engineer: a 1X role swap mechanic and a Survivor role. I was given a choice:
- I could hang onto my role, refusing to use the role swap and try to win via the Survivor,
- or I could swap for someone else's \role and essentially inherit their wincon by giving up my own and turning them into a Survivor.
So, that's what I did. I took GP's Crab God role, which apparently made me Lynchproof (I had no idea what I'd get, but I figured it would be interesting), and now he's the TP Survivor with the used role swap. My goal was to get role confirmed last DP when we had the opportunity since I was pretty sure scum just skipped the NK, meaning we had room for a NL.
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@WyIted
It is not easy for a crab to wield a pen, though many use tools of various varieties. Still, I see in this the gurgled words of the Almighty. More to add to my sermon:
The Tides and the Path of the Crab:
The Mighty Crab God walks in harmony with the tides, a symbol of the ever-changing nature of life. The ocean is vast, its currents unpredictable, yet the crab moves with purpose, never afraid of what lies ahead. The tides will rise, the tides will fall—but the crab remains constant, adaptable to the shifting waves.
As followers of the Mighty Crab God, we are reminded that life’s tides will always be in motion. There will be moments of calm and moments of turbulence. But like the crab, we are not meant to fight against the currents; we are meant to flow with them. We are meant to adapt, to dance with the waves, and to navigate the unknown with faith that we will find our way.
Conclusion:
So, beloved followers of the Mighty Crab God, let us take the teachings of the crab into our hearts. Let us walk with patience, with strength, and with wisdom. Let us embrace our claws as tools of creation, our shells as protectors of our spirit, and the tides as guides that lead us to the greater journey. As the crab moves sideways through the world, so, too, shall we, finding our path not through straight lines, but through the grace of adaptation and the courage to embrace life in all its forms.
May the Mighty Crab God bless us all with the strength to weather the storms and the wisdom to know when to retreat and when to emerge. And as the tide rolls in, may we walk with confidence, ever true to the path laid before us by the Crab God’s gentle claws.
Praise be to the Mighty Crab God, now and always. Amen.
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@ILikePie5
So would you like to explain what your previous role/affiliation/Pm had
Should the almighty Crab God will it, I may deign to address this (after work).
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@Barney
Are you third party, or town? If third party, what are your win conditions? (not that we can still interfere)
I know not what this "third party" or "town" is. These are now beneath my notice. I have already achieved my "win conditions" by becoming one with the Mighty Decapod.
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@Barney
My brethren, hear the word!
The Claws of the Crab:
Let us not forget the claws of the Mighty Crab God. They are not weapons for destruction, but tools for building, for navigating the world around us, for creating space where there was none before. The crab’s claws remind us that strength is not solely for defense, but for construction. Every pinch is a reminder that we must build our lives with careful intention, ensuring that our foundation is secure and that we are prepared to face whatever challenges arise.
The claws also symbolize balance. A crab uses its claws not only for defense but also for grasping, for feeding, and for moving forward. Each of us, too, must seek balance—between work and rest, between joy and sorrow, between the world we build and the world we protect.
The Shell:
The shell of the crab is a sacred protector, a barrier between the crab and the dangers of the world. It is strong, unyielding, and resilient. But it is not impenetrable. The crab, in its wisdom, knows that in times of danger, the shell is to be used wisely, not as a shield to hide behind forever, but as a temporary refuge. It teaches us that it is important to protect ourselves from harm, but we must also be willing to emerge and face the world when the time comes.
Our own shells—our defenses, our walls—are necessary to preserve our inner peace, but they should not isolate us from growth. We must be brave enough to step out from behind our shells when we are called to, for it is through vulnerability that we discover our true strength.
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I have asked ChatGPT to write a sermon to the mighty Crab God, that it might better explain what it has delivered upon you this day.
Introduction:
Greetings, my beloved fellow worshipers, gather close in the shadow of the mighty tides, where the sea whispers its ancient secrets. Today, we come together to honor the Mighty Crab God, whose powerful claws and unwavering determination remind us of the strength in patience, the value of resilience, and the wisdom found in stillness.
The crab, with its ancient shell and guarded heart, teaches us that every challenge in life is but another journey in the sand, carved by time and the steady hand of the divine. The Mighty Crab God walks sideways through the waters of existence, never bound by linearity, teaching us that we are not confined to a singular path but can move with grace in all directions, adapting to every circumstance.
The Crab’s Wisdom:
The Mighty Crab God, though small in stature, possesses an indomitable spirit. It is not in the size or strength alone that the crab finds its power, but in its patience and its adaptability. The crab does not rush; it walks deliberately, each movement purposeful, each step taken with quiet wisdom. And so, too, must we move through the world, not hastening toward an elusive goal but moving with intention, embracing the ebb and flow of life’s tides.
When life presents us with hardships—be it in the form of storms or obstacles—we, like the crab, retreat into our shell. We gather our strength, conserve our energy, and wait for the moment to emerge stronger. The Crab God teaches us that it is not cowardice to retreat, but wisdom. It is only in moments of stillness that we find clarity. And when the time is right, we emerge, not rushed, but transformed.
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@Barney
First I'd just like to note that it's impossible for you to be the role stealer, since GP noticed I used the word "cool" which was offensive to him, and therefore it's impossible for anyone but me to be it.Mockery aside, I think you have the floor, and we'd all like some answers before we attempt to lynch you (I doubt we can, but still).
Ah, but I have stolen your thunder. No mockery here!
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@Greyparrot
You as well, one who have been forsaken by the almighty!
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
@Savant
Come, and take heed of my words!
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So, before anyone asks, I will unveil the prophesized truth as it has been revealed to me:
The whole idea of carcinization is that it’s convergent evolution, that animals are acquiring the crab-like body over time. Did that mean we were all turning into crabs, or that we would be bestowed with that honor? Would I receive an outstretched claw from on high? Would I be able to bestow its holy favors onto others?
Then, I got notified NP3: I had become Deathproof. I’m not sure why the deified crustacean chose me as its acolyte, but I was blessed by its mighty cephalothorax to be invulnerable to your puny lynchings and bullets. I am now and forever beyond the bounds of your mortal comprehension, and, blessed be the mighty decapod, I can bestow upon others its mighty bounty. All you need to do is allow its carapace to pierce your hemolymph and you too will know the bliss that comes with having pincers and dancing side-to-side with abandon, shedding your weak epidermis for the calcified armor of your betters.
Join me, brothers, in praising the almighty Brachyura and let its blessings rain down upon you as I deliver the role I’ve absorbed unto the masses!
The whole idea of carcinization is that it’s convergent evolution, that animals are acquiring the crab-like body over time. Did that mean we were all turning into crabs, or that we would be bestowed with that honor? Would I receive an outstretched claw from on high? Would I be able to bestow its holy favors onto others?
Then, I got notified NP3: I had become Deathproof. I’m not sure why the deified crustacean chose me as its acolyte, but I was blessed by its mighty cephalothorax to be invulnerable to your puny lynchings and bullets. I am now and forever beyond the bounds of your mortal comprehension, and, blessed be the mighty decapod, I can bestow upon others its mighty bounty. All you need to do is allow its carapace to pierce your hemolymph and you too will know the bliss that comes with having pincers and dancing side-to-side with abandon, shedding your weak epidermis for the calcified armor of your betters.
Join me, brothers, in praising the almighty Brachyura and let its blessings rain down upon you as I deliver the role I’ve absorbed unto the masses!
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@Mharman
SooooWanna save people some time?
Yeah, might as well.
VTL WF
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As I've said before, there's not a lot to say in my defense because, frankly, I don't think there is a lot to say. My role claim is unverified so far. At least based on Mharman's use of his role last NP, I could use his role NP4, but it's unclear how much that will matter since my result could be manipulated and it would still depend on everyone buying what I get. Everything else is behavior. I was scumreading JoeBob early, before his claim. If you're sussing my lack of brackets in my PM, then it's weird that I started sussing the fake claim sitting on the table that was the only one claiming something similar. I get that this is still WIFOM to a degree, but I'd have to both be distancing and putting myself close to JoeBob simultaneously for this to work.
As for my reads, I've already said my piece on Luna multiple times in terms of his generally being sitting back this game, but Luna's just coasting through MYLO and sheeping Mharman's is a weird choice even given his previous claim. All he has to support him is that there was no NK, and that could just as easily be the result of scum just skipping an NK as it is his use of the Apportioner role. The only reason I can think of for why he should survive this DP is uncertainty about that protection, and I just don't buy it.
It's harder with both Barney and Austin, but if I'm picking one as a stand-out, it's the latter. All he has to support him is a role confirmation. It doesn't indicate anything about his affiliation, so it's neutral at best. And Austin has been more passive this game, even after he came back from his stated absence that first DP. I think he's had some good reads and some pretty basic insights that all look pretty similar to what I've seen from his scum play, and while I've had trouble seeing through his scum play before, this is starting to look familiar.
Barney's scum almost entirely through POE at this point. Behaviorally, all I'm seeing is much more akin to his town play than his scum play, and as I said before, I don't buy that he'd try this "I just keep getting RB'd" tactic as scum. A lot of my read comes from what I expect from him, though, and that's not enough for me to take him out of my POE.
There's a far lower chance that GP is scum with the whole role swap scenario. There may be some absurd scenario where the scum team swapped roles between themselves or this is a fake-out from GP, but I find either one of those far less believable. There are way too many specifics he's posted about his role for it to be the latter and the former would be a hell of a gambit, but I just don't buy that that's how scum would spend this role.
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@Lunatic
I've been scumming you since dp1, and i literally just told mharman i'd follow whatever he decides.
I guess sheeping votes has become the go-to for both you and GP. Didn't see you as the type.
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@Mharman
You have two hours. Make your thoughts known.
Alright, I'll have something up ASAP.
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@Mharman
So, who in the world is your scum team?
I already made that clear a while ago, but I'll say it again: Luna, Austin and Barney. I have the hardest time seeing Barney as scum because, frankly, he hasn't played like he has in any of his recent scum games and I just don't buy that he'd claim repeated RBs like this as scum, but POE leaves him as the only possibility since I can't see a world in which any of the rest of you are scum.
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@Lunatic
And there's Luna coming in at the opportune moment to win this for scum.
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@ILikePie5
@Mharman
I was aiming to respond to the last several pages of posts, but I guess the game will end before I can put together my thoughts. You both seem dead set on lynching me and, frankly, with my role and PM, I have no way to push back on what you've said about me aside from my behavior. So if that's reason enough to lynch me, then there's not a lot I can do about it. I'm amazed that Luna's somehow fallen out of contention for this lynch, but here we are.
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@ILikePie5
I'm just hopping on, but I happened to spot this and I just have to call out a Stormlight Archives reference where I see it. It's a decent theory, there are a lot of interesting crab-like creatures in the series. If WyIted did include the role to call to that series, then I'll have to start fawning over his genius.
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Going to try to catch up on this DP before I leave work. Regardless, I'll be on this evening.
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@Vader
Love the anime for GTO, heard the manga's solid. I know Kingdom's great, have to get to that sometime.
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@ILikePie5
Are your actions roleblockable?
I hadn't really considered that. I'm assuming they are so long as the role I absorb is roleblockable, but I'll ask.
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I'm pretty tired tonight and I haven't gotten much downtime, so I'm going to keep my time on here short. I'll be more available tomorrow so I'll address any follow-up questions then. Whatever information Mharman has as a result of his role, I'll have to wait to see it then as well.
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@ILikePie5
He seems pretty frustrated with my character. He emphasizes multiple times how damaging this mentality is, both to the present and future of the Israelis in particular.
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@Mharman
If anyone here is still hiding something about their role, come clean now. I may have caught you.
That would be news to me. I don't have anything to add.
In addendum, I have a question for everyone. What would you have predicted scum’s night actions would be, heading into NP3?
I had every reason to believe that you'd be dead. As the sole claimed informational role who, apparently, gets quite a bit of information from your targets, it seemed pretty obvious that you'd either be RB'd or killed, and the latter seemed more likely.
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As I mentioned at this time last week, I do have a class I teach on Mondays. Catching up, will respond where appropriate.
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@ILikePie5
This is what I was looking for
*shrug* Fair enough.
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@ILikePie5
So what happened with your role?
...alright, I think I'm getting the issue here. When I claimed my role, this is how I said it works:
If I get targeted by a non-killing night action, I absorb it and can use it the following NP. I am not informed that I've absorbed a role, so if I was targeted by a night action on NP1, I would only have had that confirmed at the start of NP2. The role still works on me, so if I had received a cookie, I could have taken it and then given out a cookie of my own the next NP.
Unless I was targeted by a role NP1 or NP2, I would not yet have been informed of having absorbed said role. If I was targeted NP3 by a role (I think in this case, you're assuming Mharman's), I would not find out that I'd been the target of said role until NP4, which is when I'd be informed that I had absorbed it and could use it.
So, in answer to your question, I am not aware that anything happened with my role NP3.
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@ILikePie5
You have zero information to report?
Feel like I'm repeating myself. No, I do not have results.
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@ILikePie5
No, I directed it at the right person
Then I'm confused. You're going to have to explain this one to me.
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@ILikePie5
What are your results
Was this supposed to be directed at Mharman? I don't have results.
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@Lunatic
The last line was in reference to you
Alright, written a bit weirdly.
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@ILikePie5
What do you mean? Every flip has something in double brackets.
Just realized these were posted in a separate thread, my bad. Yes, they do all have brackets, including JoeBob. You're right.
From you, I think the WIFOM is null. Second point about claiming someone else’s character is valid, but again just WIFOM. Scumreading JoeBob, I’ll have to go back and read.
Fair enough.
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@Lunatic
You’ve been in my scum pile for a while now, Austin and Barney have been null because they had posted so intermittently. I am now leaning town on Austin and scum reading Barney. Austin activity shift has been better and his reads seem solid, Barney needs some way to confirm himself and I don’t like absorber as a town role it makes more sense as a fake claim
Still not clear what the reason is for scumreading me. Also, I'm the claimed Absorber, not Barney.
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@ILikePie5
I dislike the fact that you don’t have anything in double brackets. Everyone has something. JoeBob also claimed he has nothing.
I get that, though I'll point out a couple of things.
One, several of the flips that have been posted so far haven't included the entirety of their character essays, so it's entirely plausible that one or more of them don't have bracketed words in theirs.
Two, and I realize this is WIFOM, but I volunteered this information after a bunch of people had already stated the existence of bracketed words in their PMs. It's pretty clear that many of the bracketed words include the literal characters of other players, so I had a plethora of options for claiming that someone else's character was just present in my PM in brackets. Also, I've been scumreading JoeBob since well before I claimed. You'd have to believe I'd both bus my scum partner and also claim that we have this in common.
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@Greyparrot
Granted, I could have been wrong about Barney, but your timing and zeal just seemed very off to me considering you were not like this earlier.Behaviorally.
It would hardly be a first as either scum or town for me to be defensive of other players, but fair enough. If I'm not in everyone's POE anyway, I'd be surprised.
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@ILikePie5
What behavioral reasons do you have to scumread them?
I don't really have behavioral reasons for Austin and Barney. That's POE. If anything, I'd say Barney is behaviorally more town and Austin's just behaviorally null.
As for Luna, I'd chalk that up mainly to a lack of activity on his part and some lazy reads. When he did post his reads back in DP2, there's a notable lack of insight into many of the players in the game, particularly Barney, Austin and me. Maybe he was just overly focused on Banana and JoeBob at the time, but taking the stance that Austin and Barney had next to nothing to read (they did by that point, even if it wasn't a lot), and just lightly sussing me based on our history as scum together without pointing to specifics did stand out to me, as did the lack of clear reads beyond throwing some sus around in DP3.
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@ILikePie5
My views haven't really changed since I made this post last DP. I'm going to read back through the previous couple of DPs to see if I've made an error, but my scumreads right now are still Luna and Austin. If there are four scum, then Barney as well.
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