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@Swagnarok
Haven't seen many of these - got a couple I'm planning to get to - so I appreciate the recs! I have loved Bookworm, a great and different take on isekai.
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Also something about understanding hidden aspects of life. It’s got a lot of details, but some don’t seem pertinent.
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Well, I guess I’ll just claim because my action failed for the second NP in a row:
I’m Angela. I am the Voodoo Lady. Two NPs in a row, I’ve targeted Luna with a 15-letter word cued up. If it had worked and Luna had posted the word (the idea being that I would prod him into saying it without using it myself), he would have had a 50% chance of being informed that I was town. Guess that doesn’t matter now.
I’d never heard of this role before, so I ended up asking a lot of questions. I can tell you the word I was going to be aiming for, but that doesn't really matter at this point. The justification is that I tap into mysteries that others might overlook.
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@Savant
I mean, it's not a bad list, but it's also not very directed and just focuses on stats. Hell, I've seen the vast majority of the ones in the top 50 and I'd say there's definitely a range of quality and enjoyment that would put some of them well out of my favorites. Popular scoring doesn't necessarily equate to being a good pick for anyone.
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A few years back, I took a sort of scattershot approach to reviewing and recommending anime and manga series I'd liked over the past couple of years, as well as some of my all-time favorites. I had intended to keep it up after that, but honestly, I thought my approach was too wordy and not directed enough. Maybe someone got something out of reading those reviews, though I don't think many people read them.
I have since seen individual requests for recommendations, and I think making this more dedicated to that could improve on what I was originally aiming for and narrow the focus.
So, instead, I'm going to just set this here to create a space for recommendations and requests for recommendations. I'll expand on this in future posts on this thread with some entries of my own with a focus on genres, and I'll also try to include some sections for style and more unique, hard to characterize storytelling. People can feel free to add to this in an ongoing fashion. Hopefully, with the help of anyone who wants to participate, we can get a running list of recommendations (I'll try to keep up compiling them) and answer any requests that come up.
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Frankly, at this point, I think we have to make a decision and I guess I’m the one to make it.
There’s a lot I don’t like about WyIted’s claim and how he used it, even if the latter does seem very much like something he would do (I just don’t see it leaning either town or scum behaviorally). That being said, we need information and I don’t think we gain enough from leaving him alive (not to mention the risk of Vanillaizing of an important role this time) to just NL this. I also don’t have another feasible lynch that I support. We gain insight from the flip either way, as WyIted himself has said, so I’ll make the call:
VTL WyIted
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@WyIted
Earth should still be voting so we know where he stands
Doesn’t seem like he’ll post before this DP ends. I’m going to post my decision in a few minutes, regardless.
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@Cerulean
WF, question. Do you think there's a strong reason why I should be considering you Town, and if so, what is it?
Not really, no. If you’re not townreading me behaviorally, you’re likely not townreading me at all.
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@Mharman
It's partly how I'm interpreting things elsewhere in their behavior. ADOL gets a bit of a noob pass, and Lunatic gets a town-confirmed pass. Austin doesn't get one, plus, I don't think his logic is all that good
Not a lot to go on, but it’s something I guess.
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@WyIted
Pie is not making ADOL scum. It is unfair, it is what it is but he's practically confirmed town
How many times and how many ways do I have to say this? I’m not arguing that ADOL is scum. I’m arguing that you’re treating him as town for taking the same stance you deem scummy from Austin. That’s the problem.
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@WyIted
If you are town and think I am scum than what is the reason to hesitate in hammering? I am trying to do a cost benefit analysis from everyone's POV and I don't see it
Dude, you know I’m indecisive often, and I’ve given quite a few reasons why I’ve been indecisive about you being scum in this game. It’s not a cost-benefit analysis. It’s my read, one I’ve been trying to solidify for much of this DP and am still struggling with.
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@Mharman
Lunatic is town confirmed for one, an I haven't seen anything scummy about ADOL
Mharman, my point is that they both have a vote on WyIted. Luna had his vote up before Austin. ADOL followed him. What makes their votes different from his? What makes ADOL not opportunistic?
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@WyIted
By engaging me you can say you didn't mislynch without doing your due diligence. We all know your vote is coming and where it is going
I did my due diligence a long time ago. I would have been entirely justified voting you hours ago, by your own logic. What’s the point of me keeping this up?
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@Mharman
It wasn't just his read on Cerulean last DP, it was also his read on Lunatic. Keep in mind Lunatic had posted very little at that point- this is before he was town confirmed. This DP, I just think him jumping in on Wylted like that is opportunistic. He was the second on the wagon.
OK, so you’re still emphasizing behavior from last DP. Why is his jumping on the wagon early opportunistic? He clearly explained his logic, so again, what makes him different from Luna and ADOL?
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@WyIted
If you think Austin is town than that means literally everyone on my wagon right now is town, assuming you are town and risking a no lynch despite zero reputational loss for lynching me
yes, everyone on your wagon could very well be town. Either you’re scum and that would explain why there isn’t scum on your wagon, or you’re town and scum are just letting us have a long argument because it benefits them to let things go this way.
As for risking a no lynch, I still have no clue what you’re talking about. I can literally end the DP now. What am I risking by engaging with you?
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@WyIted
What logic? We know that scum will be on my wagon because their is no reputational loss from doing so.
And we already know, based on your reads and information, that there are two town members voting for you. They aren’t scum. I agree, scum have incentive to be on your lynch. Why is Austin specifically scum? PoE?
His logic is what? That me claiming cop with one vote on me was so I could escape suspicion?
That’s not the logic, dude. If Austin made this argument, show me where because I’ve seen him give a lot of points that aren’t this.
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@Mharman
Would any of yall be down for an alternative lynch on Austin or Whiteflame? If not, what alternative lynches do you prefer? What about a VTNL? Im not really decided on a VTNL, but I am leaning towards a lynch over a VTNL.
If you’re pushing for a lynch on Austin, I need some insight into what he’s been doing this DP that stands as scummy. Wanting to lynch an un-CC’d Cop is the only reasoning I saw from this DP, and we already know there is at least one confirmed town member ready and willing to do exactly that. I get your reasoning when it comes to his views on Cerulean last DP, but you’re arguing that his push here is scummy and I’d like to know what distinguishes him from Luna and ADOL.
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@WyIted
You know damn well a lynch of me isn't going through and you have no good reason to town read Austin. Let's deviate.
I don’t understand this response. You townread Earth too, so you believe him when he says he’s the hammerer. You already have 3 votes on you. That suggests that you need only one more vote to be lynched.
Also, I’m still unclear on this. Why are you sussing Austin? Because his logic seems sound to me.
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I’ll make my final decision after I get back from the gym.
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@WyIted
Lunatic is cleared. I copped him and independent of that he said he was vanillaized meaning it could not have been redirected. It also only vanillaizes town so he couldn't be a godfather or anything like that
I get that. My point is, he's town as your role indicates, and you see ADOL as very likely town, so there are two town on your lynch right now. The assumption that scum must also be on your lynch doesn't follow from that. Clearly, at least one town player is very convinced you're scum. Unless your argument is that there's no way 3 other members of town could possibly agree with Luna, then I don't see your point. I agree with you insofar as your argument was that, assuming you're town, scum would see value in being a part of your lynch. I think it's likely that they also recognized the risks based on your flip and may have chosen to play it safe since people might think to limit PoE in the same way that you are. So if you do flip town, it's not a given that two scum were on your lynch. It's entirely possible that whoever hammers you was just convinced by Luna's argument, just as it's possible Austin is town and legitimately finds you scummy.
So if the lynch doesn't go through scum have a tough choice. Kill lunatic who will be confirmed town when I am mislynches tomorrow and risk me clearing somebody else or NK the easiest mislynch to prevent me from clearing more town.
Considering that I know there to be an RB in the game, I'd say it's not entirely accurate to say that these are scum's only choices if we no lynch and you are town.
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@WyIted
I agree. It's just that I want you to keep in mind that in order for my lynch to succeed 2 scum have to be on it and ADOL and lunatic are essentially cleared
I don't like this reasoning, especially since you are considering ADOL and Luna cleared. It's obvious that at least some town members were on your lynch and on it early. I agree with you that scum have good reason to just hammer since they're likely to get away with it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if one of them hangs out off the lynch simply to avoid behaving as we would expect scum to behave. It's a WIFOM argument, and while I agree with the basic premise of it (that scum would likely see value and low risk to being on your lynch), I don't agree that it is necessarily true that both scum must be on your lynch for it to succeed.
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@WyIted
Let's say I am town. Why would Cerulean or mharman or Earth not be the 5th vote. They still might be but why did they make it extremely hard for themselves to be that 5th vote by drawing hard lines?
If your goal is to point out that they, as scum, would have reason to just hammer you at this point if you are town, then I agree: they (and I) would probably do that. It's also possible that you're scum, in which case this analysis becomes irrelevant. If your point is that, regardless of your flip, we'll have some insight into the people on and off your lynch, then I agree as I think we will.
I honestly think the scum team made an error here and got too aggressive. It's so hard to get a lynch on me that they both needed to be on my wagon early and push hard
This seems like you agreeing that your flip would be telling.
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@WyIted
So scum have a role blocker and a vanillaizer. This makes sense 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Considering your Vanillaizer only stops the person from performing night actions later and the RB prevents them for the night in question and may only be a one-shot, I don't see how the two conflict.
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@AustinL0926
I actually forgot about how you mentioned that you got RBed - in that case, it should also be pretty suspicious how Wylted is trying to buy himself another day, since he can just easily go into tomorrow claiming his action failed, and like... what are we going to do about it? I really dislike how hard he's trying to hammer home the "there's no downside in giving me another night to get an investigation off" when it feels like he's doing anything to buy time.
Even as someone who suggested the possibility, I have to agree. There is clearly a likely negative result, even if he's town: someone's going to get Vanillaized. Any town confirmation he achieves is pyrrhic at best. And yes, I'd considered that he might claim to be RB'd. The only value there is that scum might not RB me, though that's a weak reason to do it.
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@AustinL0926
I think it said 2 characters not roles. This is the second time I caught you in this lie. The first time I thought it was just a mistake, but repeating it after I correct you means it's an obvious lie. - WYLTEDwtf. WYLTED IS LITERALLY TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME OFF PROVABLE LIES RN.
Didn't spot this post earlier, but yeah, that's just plain inaccurate. It's two characters and two roles. Don't like that he's doing this since it seems tailored to give him leeway to claim that the Cop element to his role is genuine because he couldn't have acquired it by asking Pie.
Ok. Thought experiment: I'm dead tomorrow and Wylted claims to have cop checked you innocent while you get vanillaized (assuming you're town).What do you do? Does that make you, or any of the other players, trust him any more when it doesn't prove anything? And will any of the other players trust his cop check (since there's nothing proving that he didn't just waive his action and then claim an innocent on a teammate).It doesn't give any additional info; while Wylted is alive, we can never trust anything he says, and I suspect, given what I think of his alignment, it's not going to change either if he flips.
In this case, I would sus WyIted. I'm aware of a known RB on the table. If scum choose to use it elsewhere or just neglect to use it on someone who has claimed the sole investigative PR (beyond Cerulean's Oracle), then I would find that very suspect. That being said, I agree with you that just no lynching this DP is not a viable alternative, so right now I prefer the WyIted lynch.
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@Lunatic
I’d advise you not to claim on the whims of one person but it’s entirely up to you.
I agree. I'm holding off for now.
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@AustinL0926
Half of Wylted's scum playstyle is refuge in audacity. I do get that he's playing in an erratic way which doesn't feel entirely survivalistic, but the problem is that I have better reasons to townread everyone else and if he's scum, I'm loathe to just let him get away with vanillaizing town after town (because, to be clear, I see Luna as very likely town off his responses to Wylted today).
Points taken. I think you and Luna are on the same page about a lot of this. I can see WyIted behaving this way as town or scum, and there's a distinct risk with keeping him alive since he has to Vanillaize someone at this point due to the apparently compulsive nature of his role. On the one hand, I'm tempted to see if he'll be RB'd because I know that mechanic is in this game and I suspect he'll be the target if he's telling the truth (given a Cop would narrow the field). On the other hand, potentially losing yet another town PR could be a big loss and WyIted targeting unknown roles doesn't help his case.
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@Mharman
Spent a lot of time reading and thinking. Typing out full reads now.I would like your claim, yes.VTL Whiteflame
Seems like most of your problem with me is how you're associating me with defending Cerulean in DP1, which is fair since, frankly, I wasn't thinking it through that well. Going down rabbit holes remains a problem for me in these games.
Still, fair though your analysis is, I'll need more than just you to push for my claim. I'll give it gladly at the start of next DP.
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WyIted is, effectively, at L-1 so bear that in mind for anyone considering a vote at this point.
As for Mharman's claim, the character is clearly an important one. I don't have a scumread on him right now, but I'll note that we should be careful how much heft we give to claiming a major character. Scum now know of the existence (or non-existence) of two characters in the game and Pie is certain to have left some major characters out of the 9 he assigned.
I'm still pretty torn on WyIted, but he remains the best pick I have at this point. There's a lot I don't like about how he's justified his actions up until now, and even though I feel all this is on brand for WyIted, I can't dismiss it based on that alone, either.
We've got until tomorrow evening to figure this out, so let's use that time wisely. If we need more info from Mharman or another claim, even mine, this is the time to seek it.
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@Mharman
A claim from Whiteflame is fine too.
If people want this from me, I'll give it. The claim does have more value if I wait one more DP to give it. The only thing I will say for the time being (because I think it's obvious I have some type of PR) is that I was RB'd last night.
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@AustinL0926
I would, however, like anyone pressuring Mharman to also take a hard stance on Wylted as well - either you should hard townread him for his claim (dunno how tho), or scumread him for how he used it, struggling to understand how anyone could not have a strong opinion on Wylted yet.
I think everyone should at least have an opinion on WyIted at this point, given the amount of back-and-forth that has happened with him and the number of questions he has answered. I have my issues with some of his responses and his decision to keep drip-feeding information about his role definitely has not helped my perception of him. If this was anyone else, all this would be an obvious red flag and I'd have already voted. Being that it's WyIted and I kind of understand at this point how he came to these conclusions, frustrating as some of them are from my perception, it's become harder to scumread him as we've gone along. I chalk that up to having interacted with WyIted enough that I'm seeing similarities to his usual patterns, but it's hard to say whether they're town or scum at the moment.
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@Cerulean
Sorry for being so MIA yesterday. I acknowledge WF's point about the willingness to no lynch Day 1, though I'm still not particularly willing to put a full-on townread there.I would like at least one claim between Mharman and Austin. Them plus WF is my current POE.
I'd honestly be surprised if you townread me at this point, so fair enough. If it would help to do so, I'm willing to claim this DP.
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@Earth
I'm role confirmed? At any rate I don't particularly care who outs their role, but Mhar should at least before the day ends. Also, tbh, almost everyone besides Lunatic and Wylted are flying under the radar. I'm fine if Wylted is lynched today, but I want some character claims.VTL Mhar
For some reason, I had it in my head that we lynched someone last DP, hence I thought you were role confirmed. In any case, by the end of this DP, I'm sure you will be.
I can understand seeking a claim from Mharman, though I'd like to get some idea of why you are seeking a claim from him, specifically. I've got mixed feelings about his behavior so far, particularly from DP1.
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@Earth
@Mharman
@Cerulean
Apparently nothing moved overnight. We've still got time, but I'd like to stimulate some discussion among the people who don't currently have a vote down (ADOL's made his position clear, so I'm leaving him aside along with Luna and Austin who both have posted votes). I've also had plenty of back-and-forth with WyIted, so I'll leave him out of this one. I'll address this to the rest of you and hopefully we can get some meaningful discussion going today.
Earth, you're widely townread at this point given that your role has been confirmed and you've been behaviorally pretty consistently town. VTLing Casey does seem like a towntell to me as well, though I don't think we needed that. You suggested that "one or two players should out their characters," so let's dig into that. Who do you think should claim? I haven't seen a list of reads from you beyond some views that certain people (Cerulean and Luna) are likely town, so I'd like to know where you're leaning for more information since it seems like that places Mharman, Austin, me and possibly ADOL in your POE.
Cerulean, you have posted two times since VTLing me and haven't addressed how I responded. Has any of the recent discussion affected how you see WyIted or me? Those last two posts seem to focus more on Luna, so I'd like to get your broader thoughts and get a clear idea of where you're at, especially considering that it appears everyone who was sussing you last DP seems to have decided otherwise this DP.
Mharman, it's been a while since you've posted, though you indicated you were traveling yesterday so I get that. There's been a lot of back-and-forth discussion in your absence and you've been sussed by WyIted on a point that I haven't seen you respond to as of yet. I'd like to get your updated thoughts for this DP if you're able.
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Points taken on Mharman. I got the impression that he saw you as pretty solid town coming off of DP1, so that might explain why he was so confident in his read, but I'd like to see him respond to that. In the meantime, I think you need to lay any cards out on the table you've got left in your hand if you want to give yourself the best chance of surviving this DP. I don't know what you think you stand to gain by not giving "the full story" on your role, but it's not going to matter if you're lynched.
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@WyIted
I am not doing the team analysis thing. Mharman early in the DP indicated to lunatic that I obviously scum read him because I vanillaized him. This indicates inside information because he should bot know I am town. I will link the post in a minute. I think it's a genuine scum slip.
I recall you mentioning that. It might just have been an assumption, but I don't recall seeing him respond to that.
I have never said I was giving the full story on my role. I still haven't said I have given the full story. Not sure where that is coming from. I mentioned a negative utility associated with it and I was happy to let people think that was the only part of the role.
I understand why you avoided giving the full story on your role back in DP1, particularly given what you've told us this DP. What I don't get is why you appear to be suggesting that you're still withholding information. Given ADOL's intention and Earth's role, you're not far off from being put at L-1, and I've made clear that my decision on the matter is coming tomorrow. Why are you being coy about this?
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@WyIted
This is also why I lean scum on youSeems like information you should have presented up front when you claimed the Cop part of your role. Was this another misguided attempt at a CC?That statement. If that's how you believe you normally act. You're mistaken. It's a smarmy statement that you don't typically use on somebody when you are town and think they are scum. It's just a fact. You might think you do, but you don't.
You and I have very different views of what I'd normally do as town, though I guess you'll just have to verify it for yourself. Also, as I've now repeatedly stated, I haven't come down on a solid position on you. If I had, I'd already have placed my vote. If I'm being smarmy, it's because I'm rather frustrated that you keep giving out new information on your role well after it should have been fully clarified. Whether you're town or scum, you're making this harder than it has to be.
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@WyIted
You'd have a better case with me now if you'd just come out and said you were the Prober when you revealed the Cop dynamic. It's niche enough that it fits what I'm seeing as a trend from my own role and other players, but it's hard to say whether you are just responding to the sus on whether a Cop is in the game or this is your actual role. Making it compulsory is odd as well, though you did reveal that last DP, simply because it justifies your visiting and Vanillaizing someone regardless of a lack of information.
I've got my misgivings on Mharman, though I haven't seen anything from him this DP that's setting me off. What makes you sus him and why do you think he and I are a team?
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@WyIted
The decision to put a vote on me, both without pinging me and apparently with intent to lynch rather than get my claim, isn't helping your case. Nor is this clarification of your role:
My role isn't called cop if that helps. It's called prober but functions like a cop. I specifically asked for it to be renamed anal prober so I anal probed you last NP.
Seems like information you should have presented up front when you claimed the Cop part of your role. Was this another misguided attempt at a CC?
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
To your first point I’d say he should have used it either in negative utility or just waived it if town.
You both have made some good points regarding WyIted. Going to give it some thought and make a decision tomorrow since we have the time. One point about the above: he did say he was compulsory, so he couldn't have waived usage of the role.
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@WyIted
Nice to tag me on your responses.
It seems like most of your responses are that you didn't really care about issues you presented. You worried about hitting the doc, but it didn't affect your choice of target. You pointed out what you consider to be poor reasoning from Luna and a focus on theme analysis since early in DP1, but your mentality was that he would make a good leader for town regardless because you had faith in him changing his mind. They're both issues you thought were relevant, enough so that they've been brought up a couple of times, but not important enough to sway your decision. I'd probably find that scummy coming from virtually anyone else, but coming from you, it actually makes some sense.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Appreciate the detailed thoughts.
It's a given that WyIted is a Vanillaizer at this point, it's mainly a question of whether he's also the Cop. I'll admit, I think it's an interesting way to have an investigative role be present in a game like this while simultaneously making targeting town result in something of a mixed bag, with them getting Vanillaized and learning that they're town. I'm not sure how this would work on something like the Godfather, which appears town when investigated by the Cop but is actually scum, but chances are a role like that wouldn't exist in a game with the role WyIted describes.
In terms of whether this particular character would be the Cop, it sounds like both you and Luna aren't buying that. There are games where the fit between character and role isn't super tight, but from what I've seen of the roles claimed so far and of my own, it does appear tighter than what you're suggesting is going on with WyIted's role. As such, he very well could be a scum Vanillaizer, which is where the role normally lands anyway to prevent instances of scum being turned Vanilla. It's a little weird as well that it's a compulsive role (he must use it every night phase) when it's also a Cop. The utility is clearly there regardless of the target. I guess some people might hesitate to use it anyway just in case they hit someone on town with a useful power role, but if it comes paired with a Cop, it's going to be worth the risk for most people.
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@WyIted
We do. I also am willing to answer any question you have that will help you analyze me. However I find it odd that you are making the case that I am scum to me. You are telling me what behaviors you find scummy. That's not something for me to address. I can't help what you think. What's for me is to provide you any information that you ask of me that I find appropriate to give.Not sure why you are making the classic mistake of trying to convince scum they are scum. If you feel that way than the other players is who you should make the case to
Then you're clearly misunderstanding my aim. I'm trying to understand your justifications for what you did so that I can come to a conclusion myself, not because I already believe you are scum. Your justifications don't make a lot of sense to me yet, and if by the end of this conversation they remain that way, I'll address this to everyone else and get their thoughts. Until then, my focus is on understanding you and, in particular, why you seem so dismissive of Luna's argument.
Since you cut off, I'm guessing you submitted this early on accident, so I'll wait to see what else you post.
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@WyIted
That felt cringe and inauthentic. We should lynch whiteflame and mharman.
...Alright then, guess we have very different perceptions of what I'd normally do and argue.
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@WyIted
I am merely saying Lunatic is leaning on theme analysis more heavily than normal and at detriment to his skills with behavioral analysis. Very strong behavioral analysis skills normally that are going to waste this game.
Given that this is a game where he knows the theme very well, I'm not terribly surprised that he's focusing on theme analysis. Fine enough if you think he's putting his attention in the wrong place, but that doesn't make what he has to say stupid.
My focus with the cop role is not normally to catch scum but to prevent mislynched. I could see a case for lunatic being scum but what was far more important to me, is clearing his name. I also don't value roles as much as most of you do but my only concern would be if he were a doctor or some other light doctor. Earth seems town read by a lot of people so not really a mislynch target as far as what I can see.
So you were concerned about the existence of a possible doctor or similar role, but you still decided to target an unclaimed player? I'm not clear on this reasoning. If your goal was just to prevent a mislynch, why not focus on Cerulean, who was actively sussed for a great deal of the last DP and claimed a role that became virtually useless when he claimed it? If you goal was to prevent a mislynch first and foremost, that makes your decision to target Luna all the stranger.
Also by clearing lunatic it allows him to more easily lead town which I think is a valuable thing for an experienced player, far more valuable than his delayed Vig power which he uses on the wrong person anyway
You clearly believed he was leading town astray by pushing on you at the end of the last DP with some of the same logic that he's using this DP. His being experienced and a potentially effective leader was clearly undermined by what you'd already seen, but that was still your aim for some reason? Also, saying that it's more valuable than the delayed Vig is based entirely on hindsight. We're discussing why you chose to target Luna. You didn't know his role before you Vanillaized him, so the value of your using it is only applicable in retrospect.
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@WyIted
I would seriously scum read you for your stupidity right now if it weren't for the fact you are confirmed town.
I really don't love that you're framing Luna's responses this way. As someone who has been pretty torn on you all DP, I think you're being overly dismissive of Luna's points, particularly since you have shown and pointed out that you have the strongest reason to believe he's town.
I don't claim to know the books well enough to make similar arguments about whether you're likely to have this role based on the character. It sounds like this role could have gone to multiple characters (at least the Cop portion of it due to the mindreading being a more common power), but given that he figured out your character from your Vanillaizer role, it's not like it's outlandish.
As for why I'm sussing you a bit, I'll note a couple of things that stood out. The fact that you waited until after Luna derived your character to claim it, and then modified said claim in this DP, doesn't help your position. I'm more neutral on the latter because this is hardly a first for you, but the former is interesting given that you seemed to pick up and run with the character he ascribed as a likely Vanillaizer. The fact that you decided to do that after giving away that you were a Vanillaizer without much pressure, withholding the character in hopes that you could somehow get a CC, doesn't help your position as much as you claim it does, nor does outing the Cop element to your role this DP. Much as it makes more sense for a town Vanillaizer to have some other role and a different effect on scum, I can't say whether you did this to hide what you believed was an important element or just to make your claim more believable after Luna sussed you.
I'm also inclined to agree with Austin when he said that the decision to target someone unclaimed over, say, Earth (who had already been discussed by you as a likely target given his negative utility role) stands as odd. I could see that you were sussing Luna a bit and Earth was widely townread, but given that you didn't have ny clue what Luna was, it seems like a pretty flimsy reason to target him.
I'm still not sure if I'm onboard with a lynch on you atm, but maybe start by acknowledging that the case against you don't come from a position of stupidity.
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Alright, I just posted an RFD I was overdue to write and I'm tired.
I'll revisit this tomorrow fresh. For now, I can see the case Luna is making against WyIted, so I'll reconsider my read on him. Luna is my second strongest townread after Earth (I don't buy that he and WyIted are a scum team, which is the only alternative I can think of), and while I'm not just going to ape Luna just because I think he's town, I want to fully consider his point. I will say I don't like a lot of the defenses of WyIted I'm seeing, so I can understand why both ADOL and Luna are pushing back on that.
That's where I'll leave it for tonight, though. I'm willing to claim if it comes to that, I'd just rather avoid it in this DP at least.
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