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@Mharman
I don’t think Greyparrot is trolling. He’s always been a gut reader. To me the issue is that he didn’t give a character or justification for his claim, even after I asked.
And now he’s asking whether you want his album, as though that’s something you didn’t already ask for. Not sure what his game is here.
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@Greyparrot
Not mad, though I am frustrated that you don’t seem to be taking this seriously and I can’t tell if you’ve just given up or don’t care to engage with what we’ve brought up. Saying you disagree isn’t much of a response and now you’ve asked whether Mharman wants to know your album, something he’s pushed for already alongside your justification. Now I can’t tell whether you are actively trying to delay giving out information or are just selectively reading.
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@Greyparrot
So are you just not interested in playing the game at this point? Or is trolling how you plan to play?
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I’ll give some basic reads at this point. I’ll leave Austin out of this since I already said I believe he’s town.
Casey - town lean. Like Austin, I think Casey’s play so far, in particular his reading back into Austin’s prior play to assist their townread, comes off as townie.
WyIted - null. The fluff posting aside, most of what I’ve seen so far has been buddying Austin, which makes some sense given how I’m reading Austin, but it stands as a little off. I think his responses to Austin read as town, though, hence the null read.
Mharman - slight town. A little lower effort than I’d expect to see from Mharman as scum, I think his posts also have a decently townie feel to them.
Pie - null. Food poisoning sucks, haven’t seen enough content from his posts to make a call.
Greyparrot - slight scum. I initially read his decision to out early as null, given that’s what he usually does, but his responses have me on edge. He said he was interested in seeing what people asked him, but hasn’t clarified what he was looking for. Details are still sparse and those that he has given don’t make a lot of sense. Maybe this is just GP continuing a trend of not being particularly helpful, but it comes off as a slap-dash fake claim. That being said, it’s a weird fake claim to come up with on the spot.
Earth - very slight town. His point about RVS isn’t a lot of reason to work with, but I don’t think he’d respond that way as scum. Mainly just a gutread.
Lunatic - null. Too little posting to read into him.
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@ILikePie5
Ya I did some googling. The names are scary. Rotavirus or Norovirus.
Heard of both, neither’s great. Hopefully it’s bacterial and will just run itself out of your system - if it’s viral, it can be passed on more easily.
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@Greyparrot
Alright. I’ll also want to see people’s thoughts on the clarification.
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@Greyparrot
So in other words, you left it out to see if someone would ask about it. What did you learn from the question?
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Before anyone mentions it, I do recognize that there can be more than one reason why someone would be unable to vote in a given DP, but it should be noted that this would also come after an apparent failure of the NK. I don’t suspect scum will try to kill GP if he is the Tree Stump, I just think that element of his claim is a bit odd given how the role works.
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@Greyparrot
My death and role will remain undisclosed until the Day ends. I'm not sure if that also applies to me as well. Probably does.
Any particular reason you chose not to mention this up front with your role claim? Might want to ask about any details that are unclear. It’s particularly strange to me that it would be undisclosed on the following day, since necessarily you could confirm your role by simply voting and having it not register in the vote count. Wouldn’t that, at least in part, verify your role?
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@ILikePie5
Been through those stomach bugs too many times. These days I’m more intimately familiar with the organisms that cause it, so get some rest and plug the fluids, man.
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@AustinL0926
Can you elaborate on this - are you saying that me pointing out potential anticlaim is towny because I wouldn't need to discourage claiming as scum? I suppose it's true, but seems a bit of a tangential point in regards to the rest of my posting.
I think scum have more incentive this game than most to push for claims, regardless of whether the anticlaim mechanic exists, because of the nature of the game. I know someone asked about whether scum are more likely to claim/softclaim early and as someone who did just that, I do think they would. Scum have a lot of leeway with their claims this game, particularly when we’re talking about album claims, since they have a lot of potential roles that can apply to any given album. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if scum had claimed early to get some towncred, though atm, Casey reads as town and GP as null to me.
The long and short of it is that I don’t think scum would go through the measures you’ve used to prevent claiming because they don’t have much to fear from claiming, and that even if this anticlaim scenario is off-base, they have abnormal incentive to push for claims given a lack of risk on their parts.
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Anyway, I’d like to post a set of reads after seeing how Pie responds to the current pressure and hopefully seeing more from Luna.
As for the point about Casey and I softclaiming, admittedly, I just responded with what felt right in the moment. I figured info about albums was relatively fair game to give up front considering the lack of a theme. I’m not convinced that the problem here is with claiming albums - from Austin’s description, it seems that claiming roles is the greater threat - but that’s ex post facto reasoning, I wasn’t thinking about that when I softed.
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@Shila
Shila, please refrain from posting in here while the game is going. Only participants and the mod should be posting in a game of Mafia.
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I’m catching up (good to see things moving). I’ll say for now that I’m a little more reticent about treating analysis of the OP as a town tell - I know I’ve done it as scum to get some early towncred - though I can see other reasons to townread some of those doing it.
Still, counter to that, strongest townread atm is Austin. Regardless of the broader mechanics involved (and Austin has a point about what they could be), scum have relatively easy fake claims to make given the lack of a theme split and the broad array of options from any given album. I don’t think they’d push back this hard on claiming.
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@AustinL0926
Cerulean is a Mafiauniverse player and setup designer and there's a pretty standard setup mechanic there called "anticlaim" which fits that description, which I'm familiar with due to playing on that website a lot.
Haven’t heard of this mechanic, but I appreciate your informing us and giving specifics. Best to avoid claiming, as you say.
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Damn, activity really sucks right now. Not even past page 1 and we’re over 24 hours into this thing.
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Guess we didn’t go anywhere overnight, though I’m glad to see Luna checked in.
Given the lack of a theme split, we only have behavior to go off of this DP, so hopefully there won’t be too many people just watching and waiting this time around. There’s not much to read into yet. GP basically full claiming early without pressure isn’t terribly surprising for him - this was his go-to most games back when he was a regular.
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@Greyparrot
Aww WF why you gotta be scum this game. sadface
That’s my secret GP: I’m always scum.
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@Greyparrot
I am town tree stump. Hi!
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@Greyparrot
Cool. I’m sure we’ve got a good deal of diversity in our choices.
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Missed the start of this thing. Fun to pick an album, tough choice.
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@Casey_Risk
You were right
I’ll move on
But my lungs feel so small
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@Cerulean
There's a good chance I'll end up starting after Thanksgiving Day at this point, or at least lengthening the first Day past it.
If it’s the former, I should be able to join. Hard to say if it’s the latter since the DP can still end early.
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I’ll take backup for this as well. My availability may be scattershot over Thanksgiving, but if there’s need for me, I’ll make do.
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Seriously have had no time for this this morning, so guess I’m glad it ended because I couldn’t do shit.
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I am so confused and I don't have time to read through this in enough detail to understand it (got called into work on a Saturday morning... yippee...). I'll try to parse what happened here whenever I get home.
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Anyway, leaving it here for now. Pick this up tomorrow.
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It's late and I'm tired, but I wanted to take a look at the flips.
Looks like we dodged a bullet lynching GP. His roles could have made things pretty frustrating depending on how he used them. Also, good to see he wasn't a clown.
Skipper being the hidden miller could have been a problem as well. It's a shame that Pie didn't hit a clown, but he wasn't a bad target considering how he'd investigate. I guess we know there must be some alignment investigative role in play.
And it seems WyIted is King. Not sure if he's the Kingmaker or if someone else made him King, but I have it on good authority that it's good to be the king.
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@Casey_Risk
Wait, I thought we had until tomorrow per post #9?Mharman, can you confirm whether or not the DP is over yet?
Sorry about that, you're right that he updated it. I'll keep my vote where it is for now. If people want to argue for a different lynch, particularly my lynch, I'm going to leave that to them.
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Well, nothing's changing and it doesn't really matter how I vote now anyway, but I'll rejoin the wagon:
VTL GP
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@Lunatic
We have roughly an hour left by my estimation and not enough time to hash this out. I get that you've got issues with the lynch on GP, Luna, but we're not going to get the votes together to lynch me at this stage and I don't see another viable lynch on the table. I'm good with being the lynch if we can secure the votes, but at this rate, plurality will end with GP's lynch.
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@Lunatic
I think we are discrediting the bolded to easily. I know greyparrot likes to cause chaos or can be accused of laziness, but I never thought of him as an idiot.
Like I said, I can see a world in which this is his gambit, but we have to lynch someone and I still think GP is probably the safest lynch at the moment based on how he's posted so far, if only because I don't think he'd do this as the Jester. I think Casey comes off as townie, so they'd be my second choice. I do want to make sure we can discuss this without a sudden hammer, though, so:
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@Lunatic
Shoot whiteflame if you think he is town, I have a day role I can use, but I dont really wanna waste it this day phase. Might tho.
The point, as far as I'm aware, is to shoot Mimes and the Jester to reduce the chances of a mislynch that ends the game. Shooting town reduces lynch options for future DPs.
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@ILikePie5
Cause I am God, and I know
That tracks.
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@ILikePie5
Whiteflame is clearly town
Any particular reason you townread me?
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@Lunatic
Wait if I am understanding the mechanics correctly shouldnt we be voting to lynch who we think is town? Why would we vote greyparrot if we didnt think he was town?
According to the OP, the aim is to ensure that we do not lynch either of the Mimes or the Jester. That leaves 8 people (6 town and 2 TPs) that are fair game to lynch, since Mharman listed the TPs as "safe mislynches". Based on GPs posts in this DP, we suspect that he's one of those TPs (since he claimed he can joint win with a nonexistent scum, it suggests a promiscuous wincon, which is apparently only true of the TPs). There's a non-zero chance that he's a Mime or the Jester and this is just his way of drawing the lynch, but like Casey, I see it as more likely that he gave away that he is a TP based on how he phrased it.
Can I get everyone to say who they think the jester is and why?
I don't have a good idea on that one. My only decently strong townread is Casey. I have slight townleans on you, Owen and WyIted. If I'm correct about GP, he's one of the TPs. I'd say Pie is either a TP or town. So I think the Jester and at least one Mime are flying under the radar, could be Skipper, Earth, JoeBob or Banana.
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@Greyparrot
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
Brief break in my day. Forgot I had my vote on Skipper. A general lack of activity is a problem, particularly in a bastard game where there's a lot more trolling going on, but I'm not going to push for more from someone who said they were busy. I'll also throw JoeBob on the list Casey gave since he's posted only four times this DP so far (and pinged for activity).
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As for lynching GP, I'm fine with that. Whatever he's up to, he's made himself a wildcard in this game and I sooner buy that he's one of the TPs than that he's the Jester. If he's one of the Mimes, then lynching him still isn't the end of the world.
VTL GP
Like I said earlier, my strongest townread remains on Casey, so that's where my nomination is going for the gun.
VTN Casey
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Well, this morning sucks. Big experiment failed at work and now we're in full troubleshooting mode. I'll check in when I can, just a heads up that I might not have as much time during the workday.
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@Casey_Risk
True, but I think he genuinely didn't realize there was no scum team in this game. Wylted made the exact same mistake. 3Ps in this game can joint win with anyone else according to the OP, so I think GP was probably just stating that he could joint win with scum. You're right that it is odd to claim that, but in context, I think he was also trying to indicate a scumread on me.
Point taken. I'll give this some more consideration.
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@Earth
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@Casey_Risk
I think that particular post about being 4th partyywas him trolling, but his previous posts about his wincon read as genuine to me. I could be wrong, but I feel pretty sure that he is not town. It's just a matter of whether he's actually 3P or a mime/Jester.
Fair enough, though it seems odd he'd claim a wincon with scum of all things in this game. Claiming a malleable wincon at all suggests he's not town, as you say, it's just a weird choice to claim an apparently nonexistent wincon is possible for him.
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@Mharman
Sorry guys gotta hot idc patch this.No VTNLs, plurality lynching is in effect
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GP declaring that he has a promiscuous win condition either says that he is one of "The Other Two" or he's using it as an easy way to get lynched. It comes off as surprisingly subtle from him, since he used to just outright claim rather than dance around what he is. It's been a while since he's been in one of these games, so maybe he's just changed substantially over that period, but the decision to claim that he can win with a nonexistent scum team doesn't scream TP to me. I get the impression that he's trolling more than anything right now (hence the "I am 4th party" post), so I don't know what to read as accurate.
As for who to give the gun to, much as I don't agree with Casey's analysis so far, they're my strongest townread behaviorally so far. I may not agree with Casey's take-away from GP's post, but I can get an idea of what they're thinking and it reads as a townie working through some genuine analysis. That being said, I could think of worse than giving the gun to Pie. At least I could see him standing in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shooting somebody, not sure why that comes to mind.
Also, if we can VTNL as Mharman says, why not just do that and keep shooting people? I guess Mharman could deny us guns in future DPs, but it seems like the only risks on the table come from potentially lynching Mimes or the Jester. The more shots we get off, the more likely we are to eliminate one of those threats.
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I don’t really see the value of mass claiming. There is a more than decent chance that both the Mimes and the Jester have roles to “confirm” themselves. It’s also a bastard game, so I wouldn’t be too surprised if there is some built-in CC’s to make things more confounding. We can do it anyway if that’s the popular opinion, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it led us down some rabbit holes that lead nowhere.
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@Lunatic
clowns??
I think Casey means Mimes/Jesters. Clowns were mentioned in the OP.
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@Skipper_Sr
Also, time to get some people in here and active. Send in the clowns!
VTL Skipper
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@Casey_Risk
I'm asking the town to pretty please give me a win because it would make me really happy. :)Nah, I'm just having fun. Same reason I claimed to be Mafia during DP1. Obviously I'm not the Jester... Or am I?
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Alright, fresh(er) mind this morning, re-read the OP.
Looks like we have a Mime game. Haven't seen one of these in ages - if I recall correctly, last time we did this, I was a Mime along with Danielle back when she regularly participated in these. (Looked it up and, yeah, that was almost exactly 4 years ago - time flies)
That plus the Jester is going to make lynching much more dangerous this game, not to mention we have two other players with unknown win conditions that can independently joint win with any of the other win conditions on the table, but not with each other. So... yeah, this is going to be a fun set of DPs. Whatever plan we're going with, I love it and I'm excited to be a part of it.
Also, guess we can't lynch Mharman again. My disappointment is immeasurable.
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@Casey_Risk
...Alright then. It's late, I'm tired, and I'll need to reread the OP to see if I missed anything tomorrow, but looks like this is going to be a game of careful lynching.
Ah, so we're doing mime mafia then. Interesting. I'm the Jester.VTL Casey
As for this, either you are the Jester and you gave yourself away for some absurd reason or you aren't and this is a weird gambit. Either way, I'll leave dealing with it to tomorrow as well.
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