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@Cerulean
Alright, activity so far has been limited to 3 people despite the pings. Need people to get in here.
VTL Cerulean
How much do you know about Paper Mario?
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@Casey_Risk
SOP time: I am Tubba Blubba. Despite my tough appearance, I am actually quite sensitive and a big pushover. Because of this, I am the Hated Townie.
Makes sense as an SOP claim. Justification seems to track.
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My knowledge of the Paper Mario games is virtually nonexistent. I know the Mario franchise as a whole decently well, but I suspect most of the claims will be specific to these games, so my theme knowledge will be pretty minimal at best.
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
@Mharman
@Skipper_Sr
@WyIted
Gonna ping people.
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@iamanabanana
Turns out I was wrong, so yeah, this will be last mafia game, I am not going to continue to engage in this type of sexism going forward. Thanks for proving my point mharman.
Well, I'm honestly sorry to hear it. Speaking as someone who was on your side throughout this game, I felt that the others approached your behavior genuinely, even if a couple of them were trolling you over it. I understand if that was frustrating, but that was their aim only insofar as it elicited a reaction from you that they felt they could read. Still, if this was an intensely stressful experience, I understand that you wouldn't want to put yourself through that again.
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@Lunatic
Inside is so good. Really gotta get around to the other two.
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Well done town. Shouldn’t have straight claimed, but given my song, I thought it’d make more sense.
Props to Banana for her first game as scum. Came on a little strong after being sussed, but I think she did a good job maintaining it and making it look authentic.
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@Mharman
You’ve been townreading me all game. Dont even.
It wouldn't be the first time I've townread someone behaviorally over good analysis and realized I'd been wrong, though in this case, I'm pretty sure you are town.
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@ILikePie5
Great, so we’re all in agreement. If not Banana, then Casey. Someone also brought up an interesting point. Why can’t you just self hammer?
I don't love how the logic is that, since so many of you are now sussing me over my claim, I should just end myself. It may be on the theme for the song, but I'm not doing it. If you guys don't trust my claim, you can hammer me.
Even if you said something like my role is mid-titled, I would be inclined to believe you.
Mid-titled? Maybe I missed it, but what does that mean?
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@Mharman
Pushing that button is your choice, not mine. Again, don't love the dancing from someone who is calling my role "alleged."
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@ILikePie5
Why does it matter? His only benefit to town is having scum hammer him. If anything, he should be looking for his scumread to hammer him. He hasn’t mentioned anything about that. He’s in self-preservation mode. Also his role is a borderline SOP. There are just so many things wrong here
Since when were any of you giving me a choice on who hammers me? I’m being actively scumread, so I doubt you’d take my choice regardless. Banana would be my choice if not for her claim, and I don’t have any other behavioral scumreads, so I guess the default to Casey makes more sense than lynching someone who hasn’t claimed.
As for my role being borderline SOP, that’s going to come down to a difference of opinion. I’m not convinced this would be a smart SOP claim and I think it would just have put me on the chopping block earlier.
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@ILikePie5
Were using your role to our advantage in the off chance you are town. We are making our scumread (Banana) hammer you. Do you townread Banana? If so, why?
I’ve made clear that I scumread her behaviorally, wouldn’t have had my vote on her if I didn’t. Her claim makes me prefer testing her role to just eliminating her, given the lack of a CC. At minimum, that gives us some result to work from if she flips town and a better basis to sus her claim if she gives a result that doesn’t make sense.
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@Casey_Risk
Who modded that game? How long ago was it?
I can look it up when I get to work, been running around all morning and responding on my phone.
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I don’t love how so many people are dancing around hammering me. If you don’t believe my claim, hammer me and prove it to yourselves. All this effort to get someone else to do it makes me think several of you buy my claim but are voting no me anyway.
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@Casey_Risk
Okay, but that's not what a Bomb is. The Bomb activates at night. You said that it's "just like the normal Bomb where the last person on my lynch dies" but that's not at all what the normal Bomb does. That's what the Super Saint does.
Thats how I’ve seen it work multiple times on this site. Hell, I remember a time GP outright lied about being Popular and ended up pushing someone to suicide into them as a bomb to prove it. I know that’s not how it’s always played, but that’s how it’s written on my screen.
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@ILikePie5
Then why use your specific song. It doesn’t make sense. I’m sure there are other songs that could fit with Super Saint. Luna isn’t that picky when it comes to characters matching with roles.
Now we’re just getting into modpsych. Bombs and Super Saints have both come up in previous games, so it’s just a matter of which you think is more likely in this game, and with this song almost a given to be in this game, I could see why he’d choose to go this way.
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@ILikePie5
So how is this functionally different than a Super Saint?
It isn’t. Seems like the idea was to fit with the theming of the song.
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@Mharman
1. It’s a “noooooo don’t lynch me” type of claim
True, though I’ll note that I’ve played scum plenty and never claimed a role like this to protect myself.
2. In both Banana and Pie’s claims, justifications up to this point have referred to lyrics in the song. Mine does as well. Whiteflame’s claim does not.
Confused me, too.
3. This is another negative town utility role, and a strong one at that. Casey already claimed one and her behavior creates a much stronger town argument for her imo. Two negative town roles may be possible, but with one of them being that punishing… it’s hard to see that.
I’m still unclear on what Casey is, but the rest of your point is about balance. It’s a fair point if we make assumptions about Casey’s role, though there have been plenty of games where the balance seemed a little off until we saw scum flips.
4. If Whiteflame’s role really is true, he has a better shot at hitting scum if he keeps it a secret. Letting himself get lynched is the better play if a late wagon is formed on him imo. Because his behavior doesn’t match the role, I’m inclined to think he’s lying about it.
I can see the point that my lynch could have killed scum, I just don’t agree with this. It’s been a while, but I’ve seen what happens when a Bomb keeps their role secret and it ends up fucking with the game. I’d prefer if you’re going to lynch me at any point because of my behavior that you do it early enough so that the effects of my lynch don’t dramatically change the game as it would later on.
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@WyIted
Why are you claiming something that extends lylo 3 hours before time is up and when there is zero risk of you being lynched?
Because I don’t think there was zero risk of it. Two people had votes on me, and I’ve seen more than a few games where we’ve made rash decisions and ended the DP lynching whoever was easiest because we didn’t want to end in a NL.
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@Mharman
Up to you at this point. Aside from the entirety of Inside, this was the only song of his I knew going into this game because it had a pretty strong reputation for obvious reasons. I’d prefer that my claim not result in another townie getting killed, but if people are dead set on it, I can’t stop you.
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@Mharman
@Casey_Risk
So two votes on me and no pings. Alright then. I did say at the beginning of the DP that my participation in this one would be sporadic because my parents are in town (still the case - they don’t make it out here too often), but I’d probably scumread me too if I were in your position. We have too little time to argue it at this point, so I’ll just go ahead and claim:
I’m “Kill Yourself” and I’m the Suicide Bomb. Note that it’s not the Suicide Bomber. This is just like the normal Bomb where the last person on my lynch dies. Justification is that Bo is one of the few people who could do this song without getting cancelled.
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It’s late and I’m fading fast.
I don’t love that Pie’s claim came without a role, particularly after there was such a hard push for Banana’s. I get that there is a good deal more reason to scumread her behaviorally, but in a game without a theme split, I don’t think we can take any character claim as much of an indicator of affiliation.
That being said, I’m heading to bed and I’m keeping my vote where it is.
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I'm going to Unvote at this point. I've seen a couple of versions of this role, one that mentions actions and one that mentions visits, though I think the idea is the same. In the absence of a CC, which I'm not seeing, I don't think lynching Banana is a good idea just for being obstinate and clearly frustrated, even though I don't love a lot of what she's said.
If we're going to figure this out tonight, I think we need to make a call on who to push next. I'm still fine with that being Owen right now. I know there's been some discussion of Casey and Pie, but I understood their sussing of Banana and I don't love that Owen's largely been out of the mix throughout this.
VTL Owen
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@iamanabanana
I am a reporter, because the internet gives us a little bit of everything all of the time, and we have the whole world of information at our fingertips. Each night I can select a player and I will be told if they acted at night or not.
Alright, I'll have to see if this gets CC'd, though I need to know: does it detect actions taken by the target or visits?
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@WyIted
That being said... not helping, even though I know you're trolling.
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@iamanabanana
I am fine with giving my character. I am "welcome to the internet".
I believe that that claim must be in this game because it's one of Bo Burnham's most popular songs. It's mainly a matter of whether it was given to town or scum.
Don't love all the accusations of sexism.
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@Mharman
@iamanabanana
Frankly, I think a lot of this is resolved by just getting at least a character claim, if not more, from Banana. If there's a solid basis for buying her claim, then getting a claim from Pie as well makes nothing but sense to me given how hard he's pushed on her. So I'm willing to pursue a claim from Pie after Banana does. For now, though:
VTL Banan
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I think I get where Pie is coming from in terms of his read on Banana, I'm just not convinced she's scum. The confusion over Pie's behavior in a previous game is the main basis for the sus that has legs (the VTL less so, since Pie was inactive for quite a while, which isn't common, and she tends to respond pretty negatively and defensively to pressure), and I can see how this might have been a pretty weak effort to throw some sus at Pie. That being said, if the goal was to try and get a mislynch off of the effort, I don't see why Banana would target Pie of all people or why she would keep up that effort now. Pie isn't getting lynched.
I'm fine with pushing for more information from Banana, though, since she has held off on claiming an album and seems pretty cagey in her responses, particularly that last one.
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Damn, this really fell off. We don't have the kind of time to just let things sit as they are, so it's mainly a question of who we want to get claims from at this stage. I'm not comfortable lynching based on the limited information we have and I don't think anyone wants a NL, so who are people most inclined to push for a claim atm? A lack of behavioral insight makes me lean Owen.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
Alright, good to see you both are alive.
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I’m running around this afternoon, but I’ll catch up when I get a chance.
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@Mharman
Fair set of reads.
My activity hasn't been as high as I'd like (my parents are visiting this weekend), so I don't think I've done all that much to read in the first place, let alone townread.
As for Casey, I haven't kept track of the timing of their posts like you have, so I can't say I have a strong reason to sus them yet.
I'm also more null on Banana. It's good to see her taking more of an active role this time around, which we also saw a bit of last game where she gave some good insights. I'm a little wary of her because we've never seen her scum play (it's part of the reason I agonized over the choice between her and Cerulean a couple of games back), so I'm a little more hesitant to put her in town atm. I'll need more insight into how she's thinking.
I don't have anyone I'm really scumreading right now. Vader and Pie are absent. Owen hasn't done anything to stand out either way, largely just perfunctory posting. I'm not sure what Moozer is hinting at with his role, but I agree his efforts are town and I don't want him to reveal too much or be too wasteful of his role in the process of confirming it. I still have a hard time reading WyIted, but his efforts to work with theme come off as pretty townie. Maybe that's just my bias.
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@WyIted
Well that destroys my theories and most of my reads. I thought Casey scum slipped because I have the same album as the other two and I thought she was oblivious that they were definite town . Whatever not explaining it well
I get it. I rely on theme analysis a lot, so I'd probably be doing the same if I hadn't spotted the lack of theme split stipulation.
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Not really sure where these reads are coming from, but I agree at least that if Moozer can confirm himself (so long as his role is not anti-town) he should, and that his efforts to be clear about it read as townie.
As claiming albums, I can see how it could make picking fake claims easier for scum, but the lack of a theme split means scum have little incentive to fake their character claims to begin with.
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@Owen_T
I’m not sure how much it’ll help us without a theme split, but at least it will restrict potential fake claims.
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@Vader
Good to see some more activity this morning, though apparently not much. I know Vader tends to be inactive for long stretches of time regardless of affiliation, but I’d still like to see him post before we get much further.
VTL Vader
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Anyway, it's been a long day and I'm going to crash. Pick this up again tomorrow.
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@Mharman
I feel like we’re all waiting for the game to actually start.Which is annoying to me, because in the past few games I’ve played I’ve found like to sit back and observe the early DP, and now everyone else wants to do it now, which completely ruins it.I get the sense that someone is trying to blend in instead of getting the game going. You can all guess on who I’m thinking of.Discuss.
It's a Friday night, so I wouldn't be surprised if people are just busy like I have been much of the afternoon and evening. I didn't expect to come back to so little activity, but the absence of it is harder to read, even for usually active players.
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@Owen_T
Also, let's just all forget that I fake claimed Miller
Yeah... probably best to put that one behind you.
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@Owen_T
Very little activity so far.
VTL Owen
What’s up dude? How much do you know about Bo Burnham?
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Glad to see we filled this one out. I have a busy Friday cleaning up the lab, so I won't have a lot of time until later to post, but I have some familiarity with Bo Burnham. Watched Inside back when it released on Netflix and I still listen to some of the music from that one, though I'm not terribly familiar with his earlier work.
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Long story short... yeah, this one was frustrating.
I think Moozer's gotten a good deal of blowback already, so I'll just say that your major take-away should be to make sure you read through your role thoroughly, ask pertinent questions of the mod and, whenever feasible, use your role early. It comes with some risks, but you really need to do everything you can to both confirm yourself and help town.
Austin definitely didn't do himself any favors when he refused to claim. If the aim really was to just get yourself lynched, you nailed it. That being said, for everyone who was townreading Cerulean for being on that wagon and having the sussing match with Austin, it seemed like an obvious mutual bus to me and, especially given how widely scumread Austin was by that point, his decision to do it shouldn't have been townread.
It was a tough call in the end. With two flipped Vanillas, I might have sussed Earth a bit too, but Austin's flip would have made me question a lot of my suppositions about the balance in the game as well, and I just didn't see any behavioral reasons to sus Earth. It might have been a tough call between Bullish and Cerulean, but between the Super Governor and the Gladiator, I was leaning scum on Cerulean even before Austin got lynched.
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@Lunatic
All that, what a boring showdown. Yall didnt even try. Shame
Yeah, disappointing.
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@Cerulean
@iamanabanana
And this is why I killed Banana instead of Earth.
Yep, made the right choice. She would have at least fought it, and props to you Banana, you really stepped up this game.
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I think that's the hammer? Guess we were done discussing this. I do think the WyIted lynch makes the most sense atm, even though I'm not fully comfortable with it.
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