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@JoeBob
@Owen_T
@iamanabanana
That being said, I'm going to stop focusing on this for the moment. It's possible that Pie is using a variant of the role. If you're the only investigative role, then that suggests it's real, so I'd like to wait for others to give their results. Owen and Banana haven't posted yet, so I've tagged them both and I'll simply ask that if they have results to give, they should when they get online.
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@JoeBob
Like I said to Luna:
You said the result you received was that Moozer visited someone. Usually, the result for a Motion Detector is non-specific. It tells you the Motion Detector was tripped, i.e. that your target either visited someone or was visited, it doesn’t delineate between the two. The result is the same regardless. Unless it’s a specific variant, every Motion Detector I’ve seen has worked this way.
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@Earth
Fair enough. I do wonder if that’s something Pie would utilize in the mechanic going forward, though.
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@Lunatic
He said the result he received was that Moozer visited someone. The result for a Motion Detector is non-specific. It tells you the Motion Detector was tripped, i.e. that your target either visited someone or was visited, it doesn’t delineate between the two. Unless it’s a specific variant, every Motion Detector I’ve seen has worked this way.
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@Lunatic
He said the result he received was that Moozer visited someone. The result for a Motion Detector is non-specific. It tells you the Motion Detector was tripped, i.e. that your target either visited someone or was visited, it doesn’t delineate between the two. Unless it’s a specific variant, every Motion Detector I’ve seen has worked this way.
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“A Motion Detector should receive the same result if they see an action being performed by their target as they would if they see an action being performed on their target (and the same if they see both).”
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@Lunatic
performed by or on that player
By or on, dude. Both. Not one specific direction.
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@Moozer325
Okay, I promised my full claim first thing today so here it is.I am Mansukh Mandaviya, member of the Rayja Shaba and Minister of health and family welfare. Keep in mind I already clarified that he is technically now in the Lok Shaba and minister of Labor, but this happened just recently so he is most known for his work as minister of health.Because of this I am the 1x doctor. I visited Whiteflame because they are one of the more experienced players here and we didn’t have many roles to go off of
Alright, appreciate your just giving your claim rather than having to be pushed for it.
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@Lunatic
Perfect. I’ll mostly follow your lead then today but I am okay with getting claims from the people I mentioned. Banana can claim if she wants to I guess her being the kingmaker means we can’t force her to claim but since she is in the POE her claim would help as well.Who’s your biggest thoughts on scum atm?
Right now, JoeBob and Moozer are my biggest concerns. I’m not writing off Earth or Casey atm, but I do think they’re both less likely.
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@JoeBob
So the PM you received said Moozer performed a night action?yes
Then we have a problem. A Motion Detector, unless you’re playing with a variant like Reporter or Inspector, usually doesn’t detect the movement of the person you’re targeting. It detects whether actions were performed by or on said player. So, are you sure that’s what your PM says?
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@Lunatic
Also, you’re out of my PoE for the time being and I think you know why.
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@JoeBob
I targeted moozer, and they preformed an action.
So the PM you received said Moozer performed a night action?
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Also, no one’s drawn attention to it yet, but Austin’s dead. The Ascetic isn’t super important at least (for those who don’t know, it means he was immune to non-killing roles used on him), but it’s too bad because I had a pretty solid townread on him by the end of the DP.
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@Earth
He already did. Don’t love that he didn’t give his results immediately since Vader had already full claimed, but he did just sub in.
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@JoeBob
Glad you could join in Vader’s place. What are your results for your Motion Detector?
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@Casey_Risk
@iamanabanana
Alright, I'm working late tonight, so I won't be able to say much until tomorrow. For now, I will full claim. I am Narendra Modi, and I am a 1x Kingmaker. I am the one who crowned Banana.
I think I get the decision here, since Banana was widely townread. At the very least, we won’t be deadlocked this DP. That being said, I do advise caution before making a decision, hence I’ve tagged her on this. We should at least wait for results from the previous night phase.
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@iamanabanana
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@Lunatic
I think you got it. I'll
VTNL
as well and leave it at that. I think Banana has a point, but based on what I've read of Mansukh Mandaviya, I can understand looking at the PM he received and seeing a lot of specifics about Rajya Sabha, so at least it seems like a plausible mistake.
I don't really have anything else to add and I've got my online debate class starting soon. Protect people who you either think have PRs or are strongly townreading and we'll see what happens.
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@Lunatic
If we have to no lynch, I’d prefer that to just killing off someone random or Vader specifically. Moozer rubs me the wrong way, but it’s more of a feeling at this point and I’d almost prefer to just see what happens during the NP and give town the best chance of having the most actions.
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@Earth
That's the third person from Gujarat.
Good point, though I’m not sure how to read that. If no one CC’s Vader, I’m against lynching him.
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@Moozer325
I’m willing to hammer if he doesn’t come online. I’ll give him until an hour ahead and vote then.
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@Owen_T
At this point, if he doesn’t come on and claim, he’s nearly guaranteed to be the lynch.
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@Moozer325
Suffice it to say that, for now at least, I buy a that it’s more likely that this was just an honest mistake.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, so sorry about that. He just finished his term in the upper house, so because of that my PM was mostly about what he did then. He’s only been in the Lok Shaba for a few months, so he’s still most well known for being in the Rayja Shaba.
Seems accurate. Not sure how I feel about the mistake, but this makes sense.
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@Moozer325
So… I don’t pretend to know much about these Houses of Parliament, but I’m confused by your claim. You said your character was in the BJP and Rayja Shaba. Everything I’m reading says he was in Rayja Shaba for two consecutive terms, but just this year got elected to Lok Sahba. Mind explaining what’s going on here? Did you misread your PM or did Pie not update his information?
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@Lunatic
@Moozer325
IF we are getting a full claim from someone, I want it to be supa. Pie needs to discord ping him since he isn't responding to forum pings.
So long as it’s plausible to get said claim, I’m with you. That being said, I’m fine with getting two claims this DP and I think Moozer makes sense as a second.
Moozer, you have two votes on you and I’ll add mine back. If you want to wait to see what happens with Vader, that’s fine, but I think it’s reasonable to expect you to claim this DP.
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VTL Moozer
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@Lunatic
I’ll pass, because these violent delights, have violent ends. If you still want a claim dp2 I will give it to you.
Alright then, that's something.
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@Casey_Risk
Personally, I'm a little less convinced that Earth's claim means he is likely town. The theme here is just 'Indian Politicians', not members of the Indian Parliament. That being said, I don't see any particular reason to scumread him. Earth is more of a null read for me.As for my character, I'll claim if I get to L-2, but for now I'll say that I feel like I softed my character pretty heavily in #38
I saw that softclaim, just not sure I understand the system of government well enough to know what that would translate into. Regardless, you wouldn't be my first pick for a claim, but I haven't heard anyone else suggested yet.
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@Earth
I'm less convinced on Casey, but we're going to have to pick someone to pursue for a claim, so I'll ask who you think is most worth pursuing. Right now, Moozer and Luna are the two I'm most prone to seek for a claim.
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@AustinL0926
@Casey_Risk
Alright. I'm fine with switching my vote as long as it's going to get us somewhere, though I'll note that Moozer's likely to feel relaxed about it so long as there's only one vote on him. Regardless, staying in a holding pattern where we're avoiding seeking claims just because we want one from an absent Vader first or because we don't want to give scum information doesn't sit right with me. I'm all for restricting the number of claims we collect, but refusing to seek any claim does us no favors.
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@Moozer325
I suppose this makes me sus him less than the others, so I don’t really want to lynch him this DO at least.
Point taken.
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@Moozer325
On the other hand, I wouldn’t rule out some WIFOM strategy. The whole minister thing could have been an accident.
I think it's possible that he's still scum, but I don't think this is a WIFOM situation. If he derived this claim from asking Pie about it after having seen that everyone was claiming a character in the Indian parliament, he necessarily would have stood out for it if no one else claimed a ministerial role. I'd said that my role wasn't in parliament, but I just don't think it's likely that he'd luck into a claim that jives so well with mine. Frankly, if he's sus, then so am I.
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@Lunatic
Well he is here and posting now so that is 100% more helpful to me than anything Vader is doing. I guess that m not super focused on theme here because Indian politics feels so foreign to me so character claims mean less to me, and like I said earlier mafia have the benefit of knowing the theme split so I feel like more claims dp1 just help them sus out power roles np1.
At this point, I'm not looking for anything relating to theme. I think there's value in pursuing this information for the reason that they still have to fashion a fake claim and, at least this early, could be CC'd. I think if we wait to receive any full claims for next DP, we're giving scum more opportunities to fashion fake claims by waiting to ask Pie as long as possible and, at minimum, getting two flips to work with in fashioning those claims.
As for Moozer being more helpful, I agree, but again, I'm not sure what that has to do with seeking a claim. Yes, there's a risk of giving too much info to scum, but I'm not OK with ending the DP effectively claimless aside from Earth's character. I don't think that does town any favors.
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@Moozer325
Appreciate the reads, even if it seems like scum is just less active players. What do you think of Earth's claim? He's the only one of us who has a character claim on the table and he did so without knowing that anyone else had a minister character.
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@Lunatic
If we are gonna focus inactives id rather go for supa because at least we have some info on moozer to work with. Supa has literally given nothing to do this phase helpful at all.
The difference is that we can get a claim from Moozer. I'm fine defaulting to a Vader lynch if necessary, but we need information in this DP and Vader's a dry well.
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@Vader
@Owen_T
@iamanabanana
Tagging everyone else. Also, should Vader post, I’d be seeking a full claim at this point. Your absence from the game is only going to hurt us, especially with a lack of info.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
@Casey_Risk
I also don’t want to split the votes in favor of my own choice at this point. If no one else chimes in, I’m fine getting a claim from Casey. That being said, I’d like to get thoughts from everyone who is able to provide them. We don’t have enough time left for people to dither.
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@Moozer325
Alright, I crashed yesterday after getting vaccinated, seems like the effects of it are hitting me harder this year.
We have roughly 14 hours left based on that last post from Pie and I don’t want to run this down to the wire so that, once again, we just lynch someone who isn’t around. I think it’s worth getting at least a couple of full claims before we make a decision, though, and given Vader’s absence and my townreads so far, it’s down to 5 people who could claim, including myself.
If I’m selecting partly based on activity, Moozer is the obvious first target since he hasn’t been that involved as of yet. I also noted that he was the first and only one to claim a character from Rayja Shaba after 2 people had claimed Lok Sahba characters (one former), and while I’m probably one of the bigger outliers in this game (along with Earth, since we’re both ministers), I suspect that scum are at least trying to hide in the crowd and would take the opportunity for these soft claims to give themselves the largest set of fake claims possible while avoiding CCs. Rayja Shaba is less than half the size of Lok Sahba, but it’s still a substantial chamber with lots of options, so I’d like to nail him down this DP.
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A couple of classics:
Congressional term limits. Two top tier debaters in bsh1 and blamonkey, very close debate.
A classic on violent revolution and political oppression back when both Undefeatable and MisterChris were at their peak.
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And when I say "neither" at this point, I mean none of the three parties claimed so far.
I kind of expected this going into these softclaims, but I believe it's become obvious that scum claimed at least one BJP member (this assumes Vader is not scum, since he hasn't softclaimed). It's the biggest pool, so they haven't necessarily asked about available character claims yet. We'll need to bear that in mind as we start seeking full claims. Given that Vader hasn't claimed, he would be my priority, but until he's online, that's a dry well. I'm going to read through the DP after dinner and consider who to pressure among active players. Right now, I'm at least slightly townreading Banana, Owen and Earth.
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@Casey_Risk
Quite right, apologies for the mix-up. Here's the accurate version:
Political Party Position
1. Casey - BJP Lok Sabha
2. Lunatic - BJP
3. Austin - BJP Lok Sabha (former)
4. Whiteflame - Neither Minister
5. Owen - TMC
6. Banana - BJP Lok Sahba
7. Earth - BJP (Bhupendrabhai Patel) Minister of Gujarat
8. Vader -
9. Moozer - BJP Rayja Shaba
So I'm townreading Earth over his claim. I think your point about Owen's claim holds weight as well. I will, however, note that my PM does not contain my character's party, whether as an acronym or fully spelled out.
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Political Party Position
1. Casey - BJP Lok Sabha
2. Lunatic - BJP
3. Austin - BJP Lok Sabha (former)
4. Whiteflame - Neither Minister
5. Owen - TMC (Bhupendrabhai Patel) Minister of Gujarat
6. Banana - BJP Lok Sahba
7. Earth - BJP
8. Vader -
9. Moozer - BJP Rayja Shaba
Given that Owen claimed a ministerial role, I've added that my character is a minister, though I'll still leave out his political party for the time being as well as the location that he ministers. For what it's worth, I townread Owen for his claim.
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@Vader
@Owen_T
BJP/INC/Neither Lok Sabha/Rayja Sabha/Neither
1. Casey - BJP Lok Sabha
2. Lunatic - BJP
3. Austin - BJP Lok Sabha (former)
4. Whiteflame - Neither Neither
5. Owen - Horrible Person
6. Banana - BJP Lok Sahba
7. Earth - BJP
8. Vader -
9. Moozer - BJP Rayja Shaba
There's a lot of BJP claims, which makes me think that scum is likely hiding in the crowd here. That being said, I'm still looking for at least party claims from both Vader and Owen. I do think Owen's being cagey about his claim comes off as townie (I agree with Luna's reasoning on that front), but I'd still like more information.
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@Owen_T
My character is scummy in the way that they're described as a horrible person. If I'm correct the mafia are generally the bad guys in context of the theme.I was just thinking that if I gave my claim, it would totally make me look mafia so I thought I would preadress that.
We are talking about politicians here. Honestly, I don't think any of our character claims are squeaky clean. More importantly, I don't think Pie would use a theme split that simple for this game, at least not based on my own character.
In any case, the goal right now is not to get your character claim, but I understand your concern.
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@Lunatic
I understand your perspective on the matter, though I'll note that, especially in a game where scum can ask questions of Pie about the existence of certain characters and roles in the game, there's value in at least forcing them to ask early, since doing so later nets them more opportunities to know about existing claims. Soft claims at least require them to put themselves into a given camp, which limits their choices later on. I also think that asking about character information can reveal some behavioral info, but that's mainly a question of emphasis.
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@AustinL0926
In that case, how about we all say whether our characters are a member of BJP, INC, or neither, and whether they are a member of the Lok Sabha, Rayja Sabha, or neither.
Since this is getting little notice apparently, and since you’ve been absent since your first post, I’ll ask you to respond to this request for soft claims next.
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@Casey_Risk
Well, fair enough. In that case, how about we all say whether our characters are a member of BJP, INC, or neither, and whether they are a member of the Lok Sabha, Rayja Sabha, or neither. I am a member of the Lok Sabha, technically speaking (I think).
I think I can work with that, even if the result may not be what you were hoping to see.
BJP/INC/neither? : Neither
Lok Sabha/Rayja Sabha/neither? : Neither
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@Casey_Risk
Alright, so here's an idea to get things moving: how about we all say what party our characters belong to? I feel like that might be a decent way to start. I'll go first. My politician is a member of BJP.
Going to have to push back on this a bit. Some parties are bound to be smaller and sport only one or two central politicians. From what I've seen, that's less of an issue for BJP than most, since its presence in the government is significantly outsized compared with the rest, and it might not be a problem for INC either, but at least in my case, claiming my party will likely give away my character.
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