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@JoeBob
@Owen_T
Can you explain your townreads
Based on JoeBob's response, I believe I can answer that, though he should clarify/confirm as well. Based on his claim, if he had targeted the person who had done the NK during either NP, he would have automatically shot them with his Conditional Vig. Since neither of the people killed during the NP were scum nor were they his targets (That2 and Pie), we can infer that they did not commit the NK during the NPs that he targeted them.
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@Owen_T
I am "Woah he was good the whole time" from the Tourist. As the main character hated themselves, I am the hated townie.
I know absolutely nothing about this show. I've read a couple of summaries and it looks like this is from the end of S1. He does try to commit suicide a couple of times, so that tracks, though I'd like to get the full justification to see if it lines up.
Living:
Owen_T - Woah he was good the whole time (The Tourist) - Hated
iLikePie5 -
Whiteflame - You just had to get a confession (Game of Thrones) - Death Defier
That2user -
Joebob - Dexter Finally Got Outplayed (Dexter) - Conditional Vig
Vader - Bernard is a host (Westworld) - Compulsive RB
Dead:
Wylted - Not Glenn, you bastards, anyone but him (The Walking Dead) - Beloved Princess
Casey - Bent Neck Lady? More like a traumatized time traveling woman (The Haunting of Hill House) - Restless Spirit
Earth - This feels so messed up (Death Note) - BG
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@JoeBob
I am “Dexter Finally Got Outplayed”, from the show, Dexter, of course.In season 4 of this show, Dexter meets a murderer who beats him to the punch. As always, he kills the bad guy. But he was too late. In the bathroom we see his dead wife in the bathtub, with his cry son next to it.His son was covered in his mother’s blood. Just like what happend to Dexter when HE was a kid.(poor kid)because of this trade of lives, I am the conditional vigilante. Each night I can target someone. If the person that I targeting is the one doing the NK, then I kill them. But since he was too late to save his wife, I am also too late to save the NK:(
Never watched Dexter, but still seen clips of this one because I'm a big fan of John Lithgow and he was just brutal as the Trinity Killer. Conditional Vig is interesting. Guessing based on your earlier post that you targeted Pie and That2?
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@ILikePie5
Damn this moved fast. WyIted dies out of nowhere and we get two NPs in a row. Guessing both Casey and Earth died from NKs, though at least we still have Casey's vote and, since neither of them were informational roles, hopefully someone got some info during these NPs.
You're right that we need to be extra careful at this point, and for that we need as much info as we can get.
I'm just going to out my role: I'm “You just had to get a confession.” from Game of Thrones, referencing the trial by combat that ended poorly for Tyrion Lannister and worse for Oberyn Martell. The role is listed as "Death Defier," though I remembered this one from one of Luna's previous games where it was called a "Lynch Defier", which I think was your role, Pie. It's kind of Gladiator triggered on lynch where I challenge someone else to rock-paper-scissors. If I win, they die. If they win, I die. If we tie, we both die.
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@WyIted
Wylted- “Not Glenn, you bastards, anyone but him!”,
Alright. I’m catching up, just mulling over your claim.
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@WyIted
It literally happened on TV
What does the quote at the top of your justification say?
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@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
I’m fiction as well. It seems weird to claim that a real life happening, even a suicide, would be considered a surprising TV moment.
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@Vader
Yeah, odd for it to be compulsory, but it suits the world if not the situation.
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@Vader
Compulsive RB. I am Bernard is a host???. Complusive means I can not forefeit my night action
That's interesting. I haven't seen much of Westworld, but I know a bit about this twist.
It's a justification about the moment then it talks about how when the moment happened when Bernard "freezed" Macie from doing any actions when he revealed himself to be the host. Bernard was originally the antagonist but the twist was he's actually the protagonist that can control past and future
I get the RB, but how does this indicate compulsive?
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@Vader
Senior year of college! Yay! Been soaking it all in and travelled a lot during the summer but glad to be back in the swing of things for mafia.
Great to hear it, nearing the end. Will have to hear about those travels sometime.
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@ILikePie5
Help me pressure please
I’d like to see activity from WyIted (he didn’t post at all during DP1 last game), but I’m not going to seek a claim based on the view that he has fake claimed badly before.
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@That2User
Happy to be back, semi surprised mafia is alive, last I checked in mafia straight up died.
It goes through peaks and valleys. Thankfully, we’ve been able to do it pretty consistently of late.
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@That2User
Hey That2, been a while. Glad you could join this one.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah... that's my question. Guess I wasn't the only one with plans tonight, but it's still surprising to see so few people posting after a few hours.
VTL Vader
How've you been dude?
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Out at a friend’s place for much of the evening, just checking in for now.
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@Lunatic
/in I'll go for Alien. Haven't seen Romulus yet, but I'm also just generally behind on those movies.
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@WyIted
Also based on how the end plahed out, and Barney would have been lynched anyway, it might be time to prevent chat agapT paraphrasing
Yeah, I was thinking about that. I think it runs into the same problems as just posting the text of your PM.
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@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
I understand why Whiteflame felt it was a pseudo-CC to his role, but I didn't think of it that way. I thought of it being a self-sacrificing role -- if you think you know who the NK will be, you can swap yourself in so the Town loses a less valuable role instead of a more valuable one. But, if you choose wrong, you run the risk of causing more chaos and hurting the town.
Yeah, maybe it had more to do with just the terms "Bus Driver" and "Commuter" for me. After giving it an overnight to think about it, I wasn't so sure anymore. I think the Bus Driver was bound to just be a headache if used, so props to Moozer for avoiding that pitfall.
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@JoeBob
Terrible luck two games in a row as scum. I was frustrated for you on this one, since you probably would've ended up picking a clear election if Austin hadn't been experiencing his power outage and claimed earlier.
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@Earth
Hmmm. You know what? I think Barney's PM might be written in a way where the subject isn't very clear before clarifying about Obama. Maybe ChatGPT got confused.
I'm just going to copy-paste the beginning of the Obama version because the xenomorph queen version could just be there for laughs (it doesn't even mention 2008):
You are the election of 2008, a turning point in American history. You were the first-ever African American to be elected President of the United States. The name associated with this momentous occasion? Barack Obama. The significance of this election cannot be overstated—it was a symbol of hope, change, and the belief that America could heal and move forward together.
Note the flip in the subject between sentences 1 and 2. "You are the election of 2008" to "You were the first-ever African American to be elected President". Those are clear distinctions, and I don't think ChatGPT would shift the subject in that way, especially since it shifts back to making the election the subject in that last sentence.
Then, after this, it keeps flipping back and forth. The subject becomes Obama when it talks about his Nobel Peace Prize, keeping Obama the subject as it gets into the actual role justification. If it's just ChatGPT doing this, then it is making far more dramatic changes to the text than I've seen from anyone else's.
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
You are the election of 2008, a turning point in American history. You were the first-ever African American to be elected President of the United States. The name associated with this momentous occasion? Barack Obama. The significance of this election cannot be overstated—it was a symbol of hope, change, and the belief that America could heal and move forward together.So impactful was this moment that you were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, not just for leading a campaign, but for embodying the spirit of unity and reconciliation that this nation so desperately needed.As the protector of the people, you have a responsibility. Each night, you may choose one individual to safeguard from harm, ensuring that they see the light of a new day. Your mission is to win with the town, to stand together, to work together, and to ensure that in the end, justice and hope prevail.Thank you, and God bless.
Hmm... I don't love that both versions of your justification refer to "you" as Barack Obama and not as the election. Maybe if this was just the Obama rewrite by ChatGPT, I might write this off as creative liberty, but it's in your xenomorph queen draft as well.
I also just generally don't like how effusive this is. I don't think any of the other justifications, even the George Washington one, are quite so... thorough in describing all the reasons why Casey supports the given candidate, and I don't think any of them base the role entirely on the positive traits of the person who was elected president. They also notably embody policy or some notable actions that happened surrounding the election. I thought this might be related to the Affordable Care Act, but it seems entirely based in this weird justification for being "the protector of the people," which kind of works, but looks very distinctly different. It's the one reason I was questioning my read on Moozer, who had a policy-based reason behind its justification.
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@ILikePie5
Paraphrased in the style of Gambit from the X-Men because I had to:
Well now, cher, you be lookin' at the grand showdown of '92! Democratic upstart Bill Clinton done outplayed the old guard, beatin' the Republi-can George H.W. Bush. And don't be forgettin' Ross Perot, that independent wild card, who stirred the pot somethin' fierce and even got himself a seat at all three presidential debates. But, oh là là, he done went and made a mess of things when he up and quit the race in July, only to come crawling back a few weeks later. Quite the twist in the tale, non?
So, here’s the deal, cher: 'Cause of Perot's little game of disappearin' and returnin', you be the Odd-Night Commuter. On them odd-numbered nights, you can vanish from town, makin' you untouchable by any of them night-time shenanigans. And you’re in it to win it with the Town, mon ami.
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@Earth
I'm good with that. It won't confirm my Commuter, but it would prevent me from performing the NK if I was scum.
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I don't have much to add at this stage. We've got three DPs to work this out and, IMO, I think it's pretty clear that scum is between Barney and Moozer. I understand being uncertain about Earth and me as well, though if you're going to pick one of us to go for, it's me.
I don't buy that Earth would effectively town confirm WyIted (the JK means he couldn't have performed the NK) as scum.
My Commuter role also stands out more, given a) that it's harder to confirm (you could only "confirm" it by checking me NP3 and being unable to perform a given night action) and b) that it's an Odd-Night role rather than an X-shot role, of which we know there are at least two (Austin's and Pie's).
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In general, it seems like this game was designed to sow confusion among town. My role would have disrupted an investigation. Moozer's role, if real, would have switched the target of an investigation on him to someone else. Then you've got the JK as an RB. If the goal was to make Austin's investigation likely pointless or even net negative for town, this setup gets pretty close to doing that.
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Alright, after a night of considering the decision, I do think this one's down to Moozer and Barney. I just don't buy that Earth as scum would give WyIted cover from a potential lynch by claiming that he JK'd him, so Earth isn't in my PoE atm.
I'm fine with lynching either one this DP (and as Pie mentioned, we have 3 chances, since we'll go from 6-1 to 4-1 to 2-1), but my preference is still Moozer right now. That being said, among the claims, the JK definitely throws some of the balance into question. I'm not sussing Earth's claim, but it means we have 3 protective roles: mine, Barney's and Earth's. I could see the case for Barney's role just adding a little too much on the protective end, though I'll also note that we have two negative utility roles (Catholic and WyIted) that may have required some balancing, especially if the other scum is a JOAT, since town only has the one investigative role and there are at least two roles (the Godfather and the Miller) that would have tainted Cop results.
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@Moozer325
I know that to not be lynched, I’m gonna have to point in some other direction, but I just can’t do that. If I don’t have a good scapegoat, then fine, lynch me. I’ve made my case.
I think it’s worth taking the time to figure out who you’re sussing at this point. It’s not scapegoating if you’re town.
I’m going to Unvote for now because it’s late and I want to revisit this fresh in the morning. I’ll note that Barney hasn’t claimed a limitation to his role, which would make him the only one by my count. It is convenient that he claims to have targeted Austin as well.
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@Moozer325
Well nothing really. I just think that you’ve been taking some smaller things and making them seem bigger, like with me clarifying what my role meant, and not saying it was 1x. Also you saying that it’s weird for a commuter and a bus driver to be in the game. I don’t get that.For all I know, those are big things for you, but I would consider them smaller than you made them be.
Alright, so we're backtracking on the gaslighting and twisting. I pointed out that it was odd for your role to be limited to uses including you and being 1X, I didn't sus you for withholding the 1X from your initial claim. I find it odd that you don't see anything amiss in having a Commuter given your role. I didn't point this out, but it's strange that I'd have a multi-use self-protective role and you only have the 1X shot on something that could confuse town results or result in a swap that just kills some other town member. It's an odd way to balance two roles with similar results, given that you're only ever able to use it on yourself and someone else.
But, hey, maybe that's just me.
I meant the PoE pool that we all established. Me, Barney and Catholic, I might add you for my personal one, IDK.
Given that you're in the PoE pool, I wanted some idea of who you think beyond you is likeliest to be scum, which I guess you don't have an answer to. So it's between Barney, Catholic and me for your pool, then?
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@Moozer325
If anyone, you a little bit. Maybe it’s a subconscious OMGUS, but I feel kinda like your doing a bit of gaslighting and twisting my words.
...excuse me? What words did I twist? What gaslighting did I do? Please, specifics.
That said, it’s not enough to make me VTL you, and I don’t really sus anyone else. I understand the wagon on me right now, I would probably be on it if I was on the other side.I think it’s only fair that I at least get some time to cross examine the other people in the PoE pool first.
So... you have a PoE pool, presumably with more people than just me? Who's in it and why are they there? If I'm in there, is there a reason beyond your just not liking how I'm responding to your claim?
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@Moozer325
Alright then, I’ll put it to you then. Who are you sussing and why?
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Also, just to address the unasked question, yes I did use my role NP1. Didn’t matter since I wasn’t the target, but figured I might be.
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Given that scum got to ask about two roles, we can come to one of two conclusions. Either they asked about very common roles to try and get solid fake claims and got told they were both in the game (JoeBob's fake claim suggests at least one of them was a bust), or they have one really good fake claim. It's possible that Barney is scum with that Doc claim, but given that I'm the only other claimed protective role beyond Moozer and both of us are self-protective, I'd say that's less likely.
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@Moozer325
That's... a partial response. I did ask if you used this role NP1, don't see a response to that. I also don't understand why it specifies Self Bus Driver. I guess that limits your actions to just you, but for a 1X role, it seems like a weird limitation.
But since you've outed at this point, I'm going to pseudo-CC you. I am the Election of 1992. The justification focuses on Ross Perot, who dropped out of the race and then came back into it. I am the Odd-Night Commuter. I can't imagine there's a Bus Driver and a Commuter in the same game, since they're similar roles with the only difference being that I just become untargetable while you switch targets with someone else.
So yeah, almost certain you're scum at this point.
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@Earth
You guys think town are elections Republicans have won?
I do not.
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@ILikePie5
@Moozer325
I'll be happy to add my claim to that list as soon as Moozer clarifies his role. I agree, Catholic's claim checks out pretty well.
VTL Moozer looking for that response.
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@ILikePie5
Yep, I think so too and for more reasons than the obvious.
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@Moozer325
I’ll claim though. Im 1972. I’m a self bus driver because apparently segregated buses was a big issue in the campaign.
Interesting. So how does this work? You drive yourself to a target or are you just immune to night actions when you use it? Also, why didn’t you say what you did with it NP1?
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@WyIted
You had good timing, I was writing out my thoughts on potential scum. I’m with you, Catholic is the closest to town out of my PoE. I can definitely see the case for pushing Moozer, though I do want Barney’s claim first due to the relative lack of information.
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@WyIted
Last scum is between Barney and Moozer and it is more likely to be moozer
PoE's down to Barney, Moozer and Catholic for me. Any particular reason you're writing off Catholic aside from the fact that he claimed his election up front? I did think his responses to Moozer about claiming without needing to came off as townie, but he hasn't posted enough for me to write him off on that basis alone.
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@ILikePie5
BarneyWhiteflameMoozerCatholicPieI think this is the order everyone should go in. I’m last because my role is confirmable anytime this DP, but I’ll refrain from doing so until we get claims from everyone
I'm good with that.
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@WyIted
That's fair and I am going to try something new, by being honest. Normally I think this is a situation where it is in town's interest if I lie, but I don't care and am regretting signing up for this because of how little I will be posting this game, compared to others.I am the 1928 election and am miller
Best that you did anyway with this claim. You're one of the few people I expect to claim Miller late, and given your absence from DP1, it makes more sense this time around to claim it in DP2. I find the claim itself and justification pretty believable, would prefer not to policy lynch, but we'll see.
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@ILikePie5
I’m fine with a mass claim today tbh. It’s 6-1, so we have scum on the backfoot
I'm fine with that, too, though I'd like both date ranges before we get there.
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@ILikePie5
I will say that I was the one that asked JoeBob for his claim
True enough. I don't think you would have pressured for a straightforward character claim if you felt there was a risk of being CC'd. I also don't think you would have helped him design that Suspect Fruit Vendor claim, but I'm going to give more detailed thoughts on who I'm putting in which camp after we get our two remaining claims.
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@Barney
You should be on standby to claim the 20-year span in which your election took place as well. Much as I love your claim, we'll be needing that info.
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And sorry, meant to remove JoeBob's fake claim (and his being alive) from the above post. Here's the actual list:
Alive:
- Moozer325 - 1960 to 1980
- ILikePie5 - 2000 to 2020
- Barney - America F*** Yeah! (2004)
- Earth - 1900 to 1920
- whiteflame - 1980 to 2000
- CatholicApologetics - Election of 2000
- WyIted
Dead:
- JoeBob - Election of 1788-89 - Mafia Godfather
- AustinL0926 - Election of 1876 - 2x Cop
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@Earth
@WyIted
Damn. I knew I should have jailed Austin. I'm the 1920 election and I jailed Wylted.
Should've refreshed my page before posting that. I'm going to hold off on pushing for a full claim from you for now based on this, WyIted, but I do want your 20-year span.
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