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@WyIted
Well... that's a shame. Get rid of the Godfather only to lose our Cop. I'm not surprised Austin was killed, if only because he would have been widely townread after CCing JoeBob, though I'd be surprised if scum figured that he was the Cop based on his claim.
In any case, we had 5 people on JoeBob's lynch, though since we all hopped onto that lynch after Austin CC'd him, that doesn't mean as much as I'd like it to. I would not be surprised if someone who jumped on the lynch just saw the writing on the wall for their scum partner.
Couple of things I'm noting from last DP and this one. JoeBob's fake claim was ludicrous, it came off as entirely desperate and barely prepared. His flip suggests that the split might be between landslide elections and others, or between very early elections and others. Hard to say.
Anyway, here are the soft claims so far:
Alive:
- Moozer325 - 1960 to 1980
- ILikePie5 - 2000 to 2020
- JoeBob - Election of 1876
- Barney - America F*** Yeah! (2004)
- Earth - 1900 to 1920
- whiteflame - 1980 to 2000
- CatholicApologetics - Election of 2000
- WyIted
Dead:
- JoeBob - Election of 1788-89 - Mafia Godfather
- AustinL0926 - Election of 1876 - 2x Cop
WyIted got away with not posting a single time in DP1. I want a full claim from him this DP: VTL WyIted
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@JoeBob
So, two things.
One, as far as I’ve seen, the Fruit Vendor is not alignment indicative. They can be scum or town, though it would be useful to find out not just whether Casey notifies your target, but what specifically they notify your target of. Are they told they’re given a fruit? That they are targeted by the Fruit Vendor?
Two, what’s with the “Suspect” modifier? What even is that? Does it indicate that you die if you visit scum, because that’s not the modifier I’d expect for that.
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@Moozer325
We have a day and a half left, I think we should give him the benifiet of the doubt at least until he can defend himself.
What doubt is there to give him the benefit of right now? The lynch will come down to him and Austin even if we extend the DP out. I'm fine with hearing JoeBob out, but he has to know he's the top lynch at this point and that avoiding posting when he's online only makes him look worse.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah, I'm good with hammering at this stage. Guess he bet on a fake character claim and lost. Only had a 7/59 chance of hitting a town claim one of ours, less than that considering that 5 of us had already claimed dates or date ranges outside of his span. Poor luck two games in a row for JoeBob, and this one we can chalk up to a power outage of all things.
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@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
In that case, I suppose the next step would be to get a role claim from both of you.
Let's hold off for a minute on a role claim from Austin. I'd like to get JoeBob's first.
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@AustinL0926
@JoeBob
I Counterclaim joebobI'm election of 1876
Well alright then. Someone's clearly fake claiming here, and I'd say it's more likely to be the person who didn't CC. JoeBob, any defense?
Also, hope you're staying safe Austin despite the weather.
Unvote
VTL JoeBob
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@JoeBob
You could have just claimed 1860-1880, but doesn't matter now.
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@JoeBob
I am the election of 1876
Yeah, honestly, I figured this was your year when you claimed the 25 year span instead of the 20. Kind of a dead giveaway tbh.
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@JoeBob
I am between 1875-1900
Noted that you chose to give a 25 year period instead of a 20 year one, but I won’t ask you to contract that since it might reveal your election.
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@ILikePie5
JoeBob was online 11 hours agoAustin 20 hoursWylted 21 hours
Yep, don’t like that JoeBob was online and didn’t post in the middle of the DP. Austin and WyIted are borderline.
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@AustinL0926
@WyIted
@JoeBob
Alright, we're over 18 hours into this DP and we still have 3 people who have been entirely absent. Can we get some participation in the DP from you three? Also, added Barney's claim to the below list.
- Moozer325 - 1960 to 1980
- ILikePie5 - 2000 to 2020
- JoeBob
- AustinL0926
- Barney - America F*** Yeah! (2004)
- Earth - 1900 to 1920
- whiteflame - 1980 to 2000
- CatholicApologetics - 2000
- WyIted
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@AustinL0926
Damn, I'm not doing a good job tagging people.
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@CatholicApologetics
Interesting. Definitely some focus on later elections at this point, though I can see that just being what Casey chose to do. The decision to out your date precisely makes me slightly townread you, but for future reference, it's usually a good idea (as Moozer suggests) to follow the pattern of claims being given and save the actual character claim for later.
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VTL Austin
Where you at? And what 20 year period is your election in?
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Slow start… I’m not going to double up on the tags, but we’re over 6 hours in and not making much progress.
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@Moozer325
This is probably over thinking things but that’s 1840 which was on my list.
Quotes like this might have relevance to the game, but I don’t think they’ll serve as outright confirmations. Could be wrong.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, I personally find some of the more old elections more I interesting, but Casey might be going for a modern feel. Also, he might just pick on which ones translate to roles easier.
Based on my election and what I’m seeing from the ranges claimed so far, it’s going to be tough to narrow down claims based on what is most likely to be among Casey’s picks. That being said, there are a handful of infamous elections that probably comprise scum’s characters, even though they’re likely to fake claim. When I get a chance to do some research and compile a list, I will.
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@Casey_Risk
I have a vote on Catholic atm.
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@Moozer325
Good list, though I’ll note that mine isn’t in there (should be obvious given that those dates do not include my 20 year period). I don’t think Casey’s going for more famous elections, at least not as a given.
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@ILikePie5
I’m fine with that. I’m in the 1980-1999 range.
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@Moozer325
I think that’s a good Idea. I’d expand it to say the specific century, seeing as there are probably some ones from the 17 and 1800’s.
Good point. So it’ll be one of the following:
1700s
1800s
1900s
2000s
I’ll clarify: I’m 1900s. What’s yours?
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Might as well pull someone into this.
VTL Catholic
Any thoughts on the theme? Would you say your role is obvious based on your election?
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I’m running around a good deal today, but I’ll try to chime in when I get a chance.
Basic thoughts for now: I don’t think the character claim gives up much information about my role, not sure about the rest of you.
I think it’s valuable to be able to narrow down claims a bit at least by saying whether we’re pre-or post-2000 (was considering by decade, but that might be a little too specific… honestly this might be a bit too general). Personally, I’m pre-2000.
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Meant to sign up for this. Got a debate to vote on before the weekend is up, so if it starts tomorrow, I might be slow to contribute early on.
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Also, as to whether the game was scum-sided, I’d say it was more just very swingy. Results depended lot on how the Randomizer was used and who targets changed to, and I think this game showcased that.
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@WyIted
Yeah, you did have us locked down early. Honestly, I had no idea you were considering shooting Catholic, otherwise I just would have let you do it. Would’ve put us at MYLO DP2, and Owen’s claim would have at least made the final lynch an open question.
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@CatholicApologetics
Thanks! I thought you did well for your first game. And yes, I’m guilty.
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@AustinL0926
My last post yesterday saying that I was leaning towards voting Catholic was a pretty clear trap - Wylted being killed over me just confirmed my suspicions.
Not much choice on that one. Convincing WyIted wasn’t happening, either.
And yeah, saying you visited Catholic wasn't the greatest call. From your point of view, he should have already been confirmed scum.
Thought through this one for a bit and realized that if I was town, I would have visited him NP3 since I’d have confirmed him to be scum. In your shoes, I think I would have seen it as scummy if the claimed Hider didn’t visit at that point since it suggests they still feared the PGO.
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@AustinL0926
@CatholicApologetics
Figured I was boned. Well done guys, you got me.
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@AustinL0926
@CatholicApologetics
Nice to be able to post again.
Given that there are only three of us left and only two us can post anything other than a VTL, I suspect this will be a short DP.
The easy part: Austin's obviously town. I don't think WyIted would discount him if he hadn't received clear evidence to that effect, and WyIted claimed he received a message. Given that a Friendly Neighbor is town confirmed by the mod, I don't think that can be faked, either.
As WyIted and Austin were discussing DP3, that leaves the decision between Catholic and me. Let's start with my claiming what I did: I used my Hider NP2 and NP3.
I could risk it NP2 and just reduce the PoE pool if I died, so I targeted WyIted again thinking that he was the most townread player after using his Vig and would likely be the target of the NK. I considered visiting Catholic instead to test his role, and in retrospect, that probably would have been the better choice. I trusted that early claim, particularly as it included an exception for scum who visit the PGO, which seemed a little too specific to be an early scum claim. I didn't buy that he and JoeBob would come up with something like that.
I chose to use it again NP3 because it was all or nothing. WyIted and Austin had confirmed themselves, so Catholic was obviously lying. I'm still here, ergo Catholic is not the PGO.
At this point, though, it's not a question of results or actions that I've taken. You either believe that this is what I did or you believe Catholic's role. I'm the only one of the two of us who have been Silenced, and I appreciate that WyIted thought it was something I would do to myself, even if my being Silenced in no way vindicated me. I'll admit, I don't think there's good evidence from the previous nights to solidly support either of us from any external perspective. Maybe Austin sent a message via his Friendly Neighbor to Catholic, which would support my claim to have visited him, though considering that he was leaning towards my being scum, it's probable that he didn't want to risk being shot. WyIted said he tried to shoot Catholic and clearly got redirected by JoeBob's randomizer, so we didn't get a test of his role there.
I did think that PGO was an awfully convenient claim, particularly since it made him virtually unconfirmable. So for Austin, it's mainly a question of how much you believe either of our claims based on what we've said. Catholic said in his first post that he had had experience in a similar game before and showed some pretty solid insight into player behavior, even if that logic and the additional sussing thrown at Casey later led us astray. I think writing him off as a noob who claimed too early was a mistake. He clearly played us for a while, but someone had to test his role eventually, just lucky I had no choice in the end.
My vote is obvious. VTL Catholic
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@WyIted
Pie confirmed he had inside information with the unvote and vote. I assume he had watched the NK or something. Would like to get more information but I think at least 75% chance that is game
I had forgotten you asked him to do that. It might have just been for emphasis, but he certainly seems confident, so he could have more info.
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Just came back to the claim and the hammer. That was fast, don’t love how quickly that turned around even with Pie’s emphasized vote. The Vote Thief is definitely a scummy claim, though.
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@AustinL0926
My role targets a player, mod sends them a message that I'm town. I'm not sure what a friendly neighborizer is.
Ah, I figured I must have misread something. I read it as you receiving confirmation that your target is town, not their receiving the information that you're town. That makes more sense. I retract what I said about yours not being an affiliation-confirmable role. That's my bad, it makes more sense for the name of the role as well.
The Friendly Neighborizer is essentially a mason who recruits people and then confirms their affiliation when they arrive. Similar concept with a recruitment included.
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Also, before we go any further on other discussion, is anyone else having more trouble with error messages recently? I've almost double-posted a couple of times because the site just does not consistently allow me to submit messages or move pages without an error, and then it's a 50-50 chance that it will actually submit.
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@AustinL0926
Just to be clear, you are a regular hider, doesn't die if hides behind mafia?
Yes, I'm the regular Hider. It wasn't specified in my PM, but I asked about it because I've seen the regular and weak version online.
My goal was to leave my role ambiguous enough that scum wouldn't have a clear plan to counter it while also making it specific enough that no other role satisfies what I specified. If you can name any other role that-unambiguously confirms my affiliation-can be roleblocked-relies on the person I'm targeting survivingthen go ahead.
I looked up the role and realized I had it confused with the Friendly Neighborizer, which confirms itself pretty that you're town aligned). From what I'm reading, the Friendly Neighbor doesn't confirm your affiliation, it just tells you whether your target is a player who is town-aligned. That seems especially strange given that we now know that Barney was the Cop. Considering you two are the only claimed informative roles in the game, I don't think that that pseudo-CC necessarily mean you're lying, especially if scum have a role that modifies their alignment (which, given that Casey is confirmed to have been the Miller, is plausible).
That being said, it doesn't (again, to my knowledge) "unambiguously confirm your affiliation", and the rest of those points apply to a lot of other roles.
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@AustinL0926
Owen should probably claim. He's at L - 1.
Owen is not at L-1 dude, he has two votes on him.
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@ILikePie5
@Owen_T
We can't do a whole lot to interpret Pie's vote and I'm loath to use one of his two remaining votes to determine get more information unless absolutely necessary, but given the fact that you are the only one with a blank spot on your claim, I'd say it's worth filling in the gap. We can come back to Austin's claim after you've given your role.
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@Owen_T
Meant to tag you on this as well. Also, updated:
Alive:
Owen_T - Popular Kid - ???
IlikePie5 - ??? - ???
Austin - Overly Friendly Kid - Friendly Neighbor (NP1: Barney [failed])
Whiteflame - Emo Kid - Hider
WyIted - Quiet Kid - 1x Vig (NP1: targeted Catholic, redirected to JoeBob)
CatholicApologetics - Class Bully - PGO (doesn't work on scum)
Dead:
Casey_Risk - Nerd - Miller
Barney - Snitch - Cop (gives results to scum too)
Joebob - Stress - Randomizer
I didn't have the presence of mind to mention this last night, but JoeBob's character is Stress. So the split isn't adults vs. kids, it's kid archetypes vs. concepts or broader obstacles.
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@AustinL0926
I'm Friendly Neighbor who targeted Barney. I softed this really heavily during D1.
Saying you "softed this really heavily" is a harder sell. You most definitely provided some strange details for it that didn't jive with Innocent Child, but at best, that's softing that you have a role that isn't Innocent Child, in which case... why claim it at all? It felt like just a means to automatically get you through DP1, something you could have accomplished just by claiming Friendly Neighbor since that is clearly confirmable. Was the goal to trip up scum or town with this? Also, hard to ignore that you're claiming to have visited the person who was NK'd.
We are literally in MYLO. Why the heck are you rushing to vote?
I really don't get this take. Setting aside that you thought it was MYLO (it's a bit of townslip, I grant you that), both WyIted and I were clearly calling out a result that didn't jive with your claim last DP. We weren't calling on other people to lynch you immediately, and I ended the night last night saying I wanted you to respond, so no, this was not a rush to lynch.
VTL whiteflamefor claim
I'm fine with that, said I'd give it early today anyway. I'm the Emo Kid. I isolate myself from others with my taste in music and dark clothing from Hot Topic. I'm the Hider. Targeted WyIted last night since I figured he was the least likely to be shot (couldn't be the target for the Vig and claimed a 1X use so scum weren't likely to target him).
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Anyway, I've been staying on here too late the last couple of nights, so I'm going to call it quits early and give Austin a chance to respond. Here's the claims list, plus the dead ones:
Alive:
Owen_T - Popular Kid - ???
IlikePie5 - ??? - ???
Austin - Overly Friendly Kid - NP1 Innocent Child
Whiteflame - ??? - ???
WyIted - Quiet Kid - 1x Vig
CatholicApologetics - Class Bully - PGO (doesn't work on scum)
Dead:
Casey_Risk - Nerd - Miller
Barney - Snitch - Cop (gives results to scum too)
Joebob - Stress - Randomizer
I'm good with claiming early tomorrow to fill in the gap on my end before getting Owen's role to fill out the remaining info. One other oddity I noticed was that he'd successfully reveal himself as the Innocent Child so long as he wasn't RB'd. I don't think the Innocent Child can even be RB'd.
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@WyIted
This post is also scummy........................... well it is not on my clipboard for some reason but page 7 of dp1 he asks the cop to out themselves to save the miller as if it is worth doing that to prevent a mislynch on dp1
Yeah, I noticed that as well. He said this:
However, I think we should discuss whether hypothetically, if there is a cop, whether they should claim in order to save Casey. Having a cop doesn't necessarily mean that Casey's claim is real, but it does make it far more likely.
He put it forward as a hypothetical, but it was pretty clearly anti-town.
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@AustinL0926
@WyIted
He did say he was the NP1 Innocent Child. Lack of confirmation is obvious.
VTL Austin
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Also, I just noticed the "Additional Info" at the bottom of the DP. I guess Pie is Silenced.
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@WyIted
joebob randomizing me, tells me he thought I was on the right track, I assume
At minimum, it seems like he wanted to roll the dice by messing with your target. Guess it blew up in his face.
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@WyIted
Wait... did you shoot JoeBob or did he Randomize you to himself? If it's the latter, it looks like we lucked out.
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@Best.Korea
I was hesitant with Spy x Family as well, but I do think it holds up. Solid comedy and action that pulls off some nice slice of life moments to boot.
I needed an opinion from someone who watched more anime than I did. Now I have enough anime to watch for at least few months. Thank you.
Happy to do it.
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@Best.Korea
You recommended me two interesting animes, so I am curious if there are any more anime like Hinamatsuri but with better story, something similar to story in World Conquest Zvezda Plot if possible.
I should be able to do that, though admittedly I don't know much about World Conquest Zvezda Plot. The recommendation I've seen that I know something about but haven't seen yet is Punch Line, which might be a good option for you. As for something similar to Hinamatsuri with a better story, highly recommend Mob Psycho 100, which gets quite a bit better in the story department and has some really solid action. If you want a series that leans more into the goof factor, The Disastrous Life of Saiki K is an easy binge watch with not a lot of story but some very easily likeable characters and some of the funniest shit I've seen in anime.
There is not much fighting in Hinamatsuri. I enjoyed parts which described homeless life and survival, and the different personalities, but I feel like it only has fighting at start and later its just about jobs and family life.
True enough. I think the aforementioned Mob Psycho 100 would definitely hit harder in the fighting department. If you like the found family baseline for the series and want some good action going on around it, Spy x Family remains a treat for me. I've also heard that Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid scratches that itch.
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@ILikePie5
let’s lynch Casey please
Behaviorally, I still think Casey comes off as town, at least in how they responded to being sussed. I agree, I don’t like that they’re calling for a lynch on two players who haven’t claimed. I think the issues with their claim still stand out. Absent getting more information (I think we have enough claims for this DP, though I’ll volunteer mine next for DP2), I think Casey’s the best choice for a lynch.
VTL Casey
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