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@ILikePie5
IF WE BURN, YOU BURN WITH US
Hey, not all that different from the weather we're getting out in Tennessee anyway. Might be cooler.
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Yeah, a lot went wrong, but I'll save the specifics for the endgame. After a terrible night's sleep, I'm too tired to fight what's going to be a losing battle anyway.
VTL whiteflame
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I still think this is a greater risk than we have to take at this stage, but the points against Casey are obvious and I'm seeing a lot of distinct reasons being suggested for why they're scum. If anyone is scum, it's Casey, so I guess we're going to take this risk at some point regardless.
VTL Casey
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Description: I detect how many scum were on the last lynch train when activated. I cannot activate if there is no lynch.
I get how this works and why you would want a lynch to use it, but that actually makes it harder for me to understand why it's more beneficial to use it for a lynch this DP than it would be to use it for a lynch next DP. The only difference is the number of people on the lynch (4 vs. 3), and that's assuming we're lynching the right target.
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@Barney
We're on DP2, and literally my first post today was a full claim, with added details that scum are unlikely to have realized to fake then fake.
Maybe it was just my interpretation that by "tomorrow" you meant the next day rather than the next DP, but I'll take that under consideration.
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@WyIted
Last question. Are we just assuming 2 scum and risking losing the game with a no lynch? Or do we know for a fact it is 2 scum?
I can't really fathom why Luna would give scum more than 2 members in a 9 person game, so the answer is no, but I think more than 2 would be in the territory of bastard modding.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Wylted's doesn't work on even nights
He said that at first, but when he "CC'd" me, he posted this, which contradicted his earlier statement about it only being usable on even nights (as did his statement that he chose not to use it last night):
Every night, you can grab some schmuck and make 'em part of your crew.
That being said, it doesn't matter how often he can do it unless we get to NP3, which we can only make it to if we get rid of one scum either this DP or next.
It's just you and Barney, one of which is scum. If you have a more specific plan of action for how you two can catch plan your actions ahead of time to catch scum in a vtnl scenario I am all ears.
That's still at least one informational role result, as well as putting us one DP closer to WyIted giving us another result. Unless we believe Luna gave scum two different means to RB, including a mass RB (which is already pretty broken), scum will have to kill one of us to prevent that, which also improves PoE. So whether one of us dies or gets a result, it benefits town.
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@Barney
@Casey_Risk
Alright, got a break in my day.
At this point, my PoE leaves me sussing Barney and Casey. WyIted basically confirmed himself by hammering Pie, and though they had a lot of back-and-forth with Pie that was combative, I just don't see either DD or Mharman being scum, particularly the latter with a claim like that that will be confirmable. DD is more of a gutread based on his behavior last DP as well as his decision not to claim. I think scum would want to earn towncred while town would want to use that uncertainty to test roles, which he has been actively doing all DP.
For Barney, it's not so much that he has delayed posting his role, but that he said he would post it and then conveniently forgot about that the next day. Considering that 420 got himself modkilled the next day, I could at least understand if he'd given a reason for not posting his claim, but he just swept it under the rug. I've seen Barney push back on claiming as town, and he's usually much more vocal about his frustrations with being pushed into it, especially as town. Aside from a couple of good listed reads posts, he's mainly tended to fluff post as well, though his missing my pointing out the RB is at least a point in favor of his being town - I think a scum partner would've pointed it out to him.
For Casey, it's partially the coasting I was seeing much of DP1 and partially this pushback on the total RB. Even if two of the four people who have claimed to be RB'd are scum, that's at least two roles that we know were RB'd. At the very least, we know that multiple RBs occurred, so belaboring this point seems like an attempt to keep certain players in their PoE. The suggestion of scum having a 2X RB (I'm guessing meaning that they can target two people, and not just that they have a person with 2 RB shots) seems even more specifically tailored to putting Barney and I in their PoE with the only reasoning being modpsych and WIFOM tactics from two players. Honestly, this is the main reason I'm questioning my read on Barney, since this would be a strange way to bus him.
While I can see the point of lynching Casey, I think the main benefit of having another NP still stands: we have multiple informational roles that can help limit PoE going forward. I don't see what we stand to lose by doing a VTNL and getting that information. Can someone explain to me how the VTNL is a bad move at this stage?
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@WyIted
Here is where I got the ideal of 2xhttps://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11307-clash-of-clans-mafia-day-phase-1?page=8&post_number=235Also pie mentions flavored cop a lot of times with no correction. My assumption has been that you are insinuating a weird mechanic with cop like you can use it on anyone who visits you or something odd like that.
So, in other words, because I gave a non-committal response to a suggestion that my role is along the lines of one of those limited use cases, you think I was definitely hinting at being one of them? I said multiple times during DP1 that my aim was not to give my full claim, so yes, it served my purposes to not give scum more insights into the specifics of how it worked. What benefit would there have been for me to correct Pie when I had already clearly stated that it was a limited use case?
Yeah I have a weird memory I can remember facts from a single conversation that was meaningless 10 years ago but ofte. Forget stuff from yesterday or 5 minutes ago. Not sure if that is normal and nobody talks about it or not. Now that you mention it, I feel a feint memory of previously making that mistake.
Alright then. Might be a good idea to check on that before pursuing a lynch that could end the game.
Fair enough. I think I am trying to.just justify behavioral reads through other means since we tend to downplay behavioral reads here for some reason.
Noted.
Casey is scum though..
Maybe? I'm honestly still trying to understand your read.
Anyway, I have an early morning tomorrow. The VTNL makes nothing but sense given that it virtually guarantees we have another DP, while the theory about lynching Casey and extending MYLO doesn't track. The total RB that was used in Moozer's game was a 1X and I don't think Luna would give scum two shots even in a game he calls swingy, so we need whatever information we can get this NP.
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@WyIted
Both extend mylo. I assume when creating games you would only want one role to extend mylo.
I've seen you assume this about Restless Spirit now a couple of times. I don't recall which game it was, but I seem to recall that Barney was the Restless Spirit and it didn't function that way (i.e. as a means of adding to the number of people in the town pool beyond just functioning as another vote). If two town die at this point, even if one of them is the Restless Spirit, the game ends at 2-2. There is no vote. Unless there's some version of the role I'm unaware of, it does not extend MYLO.
Like you would not want a cop a watcher and a doctor all I. The same game. Plus what we all have customized roles besides barney who is just watcher.
Given that we just saw multiple roles get roleblocked by scum, I think your views of what balance looks like in this game are a bit off. Scum basically got a free pass through NP1 to avoid any detection or protection. How do you think Luna would balance that?
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@WyIted
whiteflame has went from having a 2x cop or something to a 1x cop and he is now being CCed by barney
When did I ever say I was a 2X Cop? And how does a Watcher CC me?
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@WyIted
You guys do realize that Casey essentially CCed pie who is obviously town
...I really don't get this. Pie's role was, essentially, a chance at a lynchproof and a chance at redirecting that lynch to someone on your wagon. Casey's claim is retaining some voting power after being killed. How is that a CC?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Alright I see it now. So you are basically vanilla now? Usually shots go away if role blocked iirc.
That's not how I've seen RBs work before on X-shots, but I can check.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Bro you x shot or nah? Need to discuss night strategy.
I responded to this already.
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@WyIted
so scum whens when it is mathematically impossible for town to win. lynch casey. if casey is innocent and an NK goes through we are at2 v 2but we should have 3 votes needed to lynch I would think. which means we can still lynch one scum making it 2 v1 and then if the nk is successfulactually i am done writing that because it feels stupid now. Whatever let's just lynch casey. I guess I have to put a case together now given my math does not math like I thought it did
...Dude, that is not how that works. If the NP ends at 2 v 2, the game ends. Scum wins. The existence of a Restless Spirit doesn't overcome that just because it exists as a separate vote.
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Mind explaining this to me? If Casey dies and they're town, then the number of players still goes down to 3-2. That's LYLO, regardless of her presence as a spirit, at least from what I remember of the role.
Meant to say that's game as long as scum gets off their NK, not LYLO. We end the DP at 3-2.
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@WyIted
good that means this is not in fact MYLO and we can easily clear the POEVTL Casey
Mind explaining this to me? If Casey dies and they're town, then the number of players still goes down to 3-2. That's LYLO, regardless of her presence as a spirit, at least from what I remember of the role.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Given that we're at MYLO, I agree.
Yes, I'm a 1X Cop.
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@Mharman
@Discipulus_Didicit
So... wait. You both claim to have been RB'd as well? Do I have that right? I remember a couple of games back there was multi-RB role, but considering Moozer made that game, I figured that was a one-off thing.
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@WyIted
I opted out of neighborizing anyone. I don't intend to do it for the time being
I'm guessing that your goal, then, is to only neighborize one person and get a result on them alone in DP3? Seems a bit long-sighted since it also puts off confirmation of your role.
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@Casey_Risk
I teach a debate class that's starting about 15 minutes (I teach elementary school students online, and yes, I enjoy it) after I started writing this, so I'm going to make this quick.
It's frustrating to lose both Savant and Pie at this point. Never heard of a Lynch-Defier, but that's an interesting mechanic at least, even if it ended up losing us Savant. Wouldn't call a Motivator affiliation confirmable, just role confirmable, but I guess it doesn't matter now.
In terms of how we're going to use this DP, the obvious choice is to VTNL, but I want all the relevant information first. Hopefully someone else has some because I got RB'd.
Whiteflame, who did you investigate during the night?
My target was Barney, who said he would claim towards the end of the DP and never brought it up again. He seemed to be coasting through a lot of the DP, and I thought much of the argument going on through the DP was town v. town. Didn't end up mattering, but hey, here we are.
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God, I barely even had time to see the claim before Wylted just hammered. Guess I wasn’t refreshing fast enough.
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I’m running around a lot and checking these pings individually isn’t helping me come to a decision. I’ll sit down and cover the last two pages before I make my decision. And yes, Pie, I had noticed that no one on your wagon was asking for your claim.
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@Lunatic
If an extension is wanted I can grant one if three or more people want it, since the day phase was stalled until I woke up. It would only be like a two hour extension max though since I got up fairly early
I vote for doing this. Need a bit and I’ll give thoughts.
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@Mharman
Do you have any thoughts to post or are you still thinking and/or typing?Just trying to get the lynch on Pie here.
I'm organizing my thoughts, but I'm going to avoid making a long post out of it, so I'm going to try to summarize (not my forte).
There haven't been too many instances that I'm aware of where someone just commits die and gets modkilled, so it's not a circumstance I've had to deal with before. Given that we know 420's flip, his being modkilled doesn't give us any new information, it just narrows the potential scum pool a bit (though we were generally townreading him, so it's doubly unfortunate). So from that perspective, I've changed my mind about the prospect of lynching this DP, since scum is likely to kill more townread players and their flips are going to be less informative. It also just means delaying a lynch and hoping for the best with night actions, and given that my role is likely to be rendered useless NP1 and WyIted's wont give us information until NP3, I suspect the information we gain will be limited.
As for picking Pie, my gutread on his behavior still leans town (frankly, I don't think he's likely to engage in this kind of uncertain play as scum), but some of his more recent posts have been confusing. He kept mentioning how people were derailing the vote when he didn't even have a vote down, proceeded to VTL me because he perceives me as the only other viable choice despite his prior concerns about lynching an un-CC'd Cop. My choice would have been to get a claim from Barney, but now that we have 3 full claims on the table (even if one of those is dead), I don't think it's beneficial to keep seeking more this DP. If it's a choice between a VTNL and lynching him, I'd prefer to lynch Pie, since he's moved into my null pile at this point. It looks like he's making this a heads up between the two of us in the end, so I don't think I'm being given much choice anyway. I'll wait for him to post before making a decision.
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@Mharman
I say we just do it. I think the case for Pie being scum is strong enough when combined with the other stuff I mentioned in one of my alternate theories, and I trust Savant at this point.
Considering that the modkill is going to influence this choice, I'd like to see how others respond to it as well, but I understand both yours and Savant's perspectives. I'm going to read back through the DP and see if anything sticks out.
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@Savant
Sorry I said that wrong. I mean the day phase. But "the day is going to end today" sounds weird, so I flubbed it.
Alright then.
Suppose the original setup had been 6 town against 2 scum. Would you want to VTNL on day 1?
I suppose it'd make more sense with an even number of players. We'd go from 6-2 to 5-2, either of which gives us room for two mislynches and just places us at LYLO instead of MYLO, so I can at least see how the math works out. Generally speaking, though, I don't support a VTNL in DP1. Results from NP1 could inform a path forward in DP2, but a lynch can help with that as well.
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@Savant
You should be voting Pie rn if you want to save yourself. I'm legitimately concerned about our cop getting lynched.
I'm really not comfortable with the possibility of being down two town members going into NP1, and I still don't have good enough reason to believe he's scum at this point.
The game is going to end today. We need votes on Pie sooner rather than later. If everyone who says they were willing to vote for Pie actually follows through, we can get him.
Why do you assume that's the case? I'm willing to reconsider my read on him, but unless you sincerely think that the game's going to end after NP1 (something even Pie hasn't been willing to assert), there's no reason to keep pushing this.
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@420-1776
I'm not really into this game and I can post on the forums now due to enough posts that I made, so I commit suicide in the context of this game. Peace out!
Great... good hustle out there, dude.
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@Lunatic
@420-1776
One of the rules of Mafia, and the reason why so many of us keep paraphrasing our PMs, is that you're not allowed to post them, especially not in their entirety. You're going to be modkilled at this point.
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@420-1776
Is this information relevant (from Lunatic):
...Did you seriously just post your PM verbatim?
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@Mharman
It should be obvious to you… go back and look
Alright then. I agree that there are at least some hints, but I don't think I ever argued that we don't have any clue who it could be at this point. If I said something to that effect before, then I'm just missing it I guess.
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@WyIted
So essentially a carrot and a stick. The carrot for recruiting would be my ability to investigate on NP3 and the stick would be that if I recruit scum they get some advantage. Maybe an extra power or something. It wasn't made clear to me.
In other words, your PM implies an advantage that you don't know and won't be informed of?
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@Mharman
Post #71: (paraphrased)Wylted: I’ll give you my claim next DPPie: No because Lunatic said the game could end NP1—————————————————————The problem? Lunatic never said that. I checked all of his posts up to that point. He said the game could end quickly for either side, but he never said NP1.I’ve been feeling that Pie was irrationally and unusually scared ever since he started to promote the idea of a VTNL, but this might be why.
Pushing for the VTNL has had me wary for a while now, mainly because I don't think I've ever seen Pie do that in DP1. I kind of get why he'd do it based on the claims we have on the table, but it's unusual to see Pie take this long to pursue more claims if he's this uncertain. The problem is that it's so unusual for him that I can't really place whether it's a scum move or a town move, though I'm still leaning towards the latter since I don't think he'd let a DP go by without a lynch as scum (call that a gutread from playing with him for so long).
But to get to the meat of what you're saying, I agree that it's odd to say so definitively that the game could end in NP1. I have a hard time believing that Luna would have said those specific words to Pie, though Luna might have emphasized that part about the game ending quickly and Pie could have just extrapolated. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it a scum slip, since I don't think Pie would have revealed this view as scum, but I'll admit that's WIFOM and another gutread on Pie.
I did say a possible teammate for Pie couldn’t be established conclusively… but I didn’t say one couldn’t be established at all.
Not sure what this is in response to, but... alright.
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@Savant
Right now your head is on the chopping block, and we are in danger of losing our only cop. Even if Discipulus_Didicit is town, leaving him alive will always be a liability. I recommend voting against him if you don't want to be mislynched.
I understand where you're coming from, but I have a really hard time believing DD is scum based on everything he has posted so far. The only thing that stuck out to me so far is that he pretty much followed Pie's lead when it came to sussing me based on my justification, but as he has stayed on my wagon, he has expanded that reasoning and, at the very least, I can see how he's reaching that conclusion. Obviously, I don't think it's valid and I think it's a huge risk for town, but if anything his persistence on my lynch when others have peeled off of it makes me think he's more likely to be town. Also, if the goal is just to prevent a lynch on me, I don't think turning this into an OMGUS on DD solves the problem.
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@Barney
There is a high probably of us mislynching DP1.420 won't do any good sitting there being idle. If anyone knows of an inbound replacement, great, but if not he should be our kill.If we don't kill him, every day we'll have one less vote, even while the votes needed will stay the same. This gives scum too much control.
Lynching 420 is just the lazy choice at this point, and frankly still feels very unwarranted and runs counter to most reads on him. I'd prefer replacing him for future DPs instead, though I know that comes with its own problem of trying to find another player to take over.
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@WyIted
Maybe but I think whiteflame had had plenty of time to actually be fully transparent about their role. I told him to do it, which means he knew I was considering joining the lynch wagon and he didn't provide more details.He also should know that it eliminating him from my scum pool.is co.siderably more important than maintaining his roles utility.
Alright, it's taking me a bit to catch up this morning (probably shouldn't have given blood yesterday - it had me half-asleep for much of the afternoon and in bed far later than usual this morning), but since you've brought this up a couple of times and VTL'd me as a result, I'm going to cover it now.
I didn't respond directly to you about your desire to have me elucidate my claim, but I did say why, and that has everything to do with my role's utility. Frankly, my transparency on it isn't going to change anything aside from possibly your vote. Everyone else has been sussing the existence of the Cop role in this game and/or the justification, and I've already had to give up far more information about my role than I think should have been necessary. As for whether doing so impacts my persistence in your scum pool, that's a risk I'm willing to take. If you need to lynch me because I'm not willing to give up the entirety of my role's utility, then I'm either dead or useless, which will end with me dead either by NK or lynch next DP. You're not giving me an out, you're giving me no choice at all.
As for the elucidation of your claim, I don't really get why the PM apparently says scum will "get a leg up" when you recruit them, then says that you would also get info on whether scum is in that pool. So within the same PM, you're being told that your role can help scum somehow... and allow narrow the pool of likely scum substantially? I'm having trouble understanding how those two go together. As for this being a "a bit of a CC," I guess I can see that if I squint, but all this suggests is that you're effectively a Dreamer that can select your targets and only get results by NP3. Having two different roles that give information on affiliation, especially when one of them is targeted to single individuals and the other gives information about a pool of players, doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility in a game where the mod has said multiple times that the game is swingy.
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The bases for sussing me that I'm seeing haven't changed much. I think the issues with my justification are a balance of trying to read what Luna would and wouldn't do with the role, but in a game where there is no theme split, I can understand why there would be so much focus on issues like this. What is odder to me is that Mharman seems to believe the setup for the game itself excludes a Cop, which I don't really understand. I get that this is an experimental game, but assuming that certain roles are or aren't present is much further than I'd be willing to go. I've done it before, I understand why Mharman's doing it, but it's burned me more often than it has helped.
I also sincerely do not get why trying to keep elements of my role hidden makes me more likely to be scum. Claiming Cop already put a target on my back, so either I'm dead this DP or scum are likely to try to manipulate or stop my action in some way. Leaving scum in the dark about when I could use it could at least have made them less certain about when I could use my role, potentially wasting RB's or other roles they could use. That's not possible anymore, but since I might be lynched before then, it won't matter anyway.
As for whether to lynch me or Savant, I think either one of us is a mistake. Savant claims he can confirm himself if given a chance to get through NP1, and I think he should get the opportunity to do so. I won't be confirmed by my result, but at the very least, lynching me next DP instead of this one gives you either a Cop result or at least a distraction for scum, since they'll have to do something about me that they won't be able to use on someone else.
I've got my issues with the VTNL, mainly because I do think there's value in seeing another flip, but as I said before, I think there's value in getting a claim from either Barney or Casey, who have largely coasted through the DP. If Barney claims tomorrow morning like he says (I'd prefer to keep it to three full claims at most), then we can make the call.
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I'm catching up and looks like it might take me a while. I'll give responses tonight.
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@Savant
Much as I appreciate the detailed reasoning, I can't say any of this really stands out from Pie, at least not as clear scum tells. He does the first point as both town and scum, and frankly, I think his responses were more detailed earlier on when he was responding to you, so he just seems to have gotten more dismissive. That tracks with his normal behavior as well, particularly if he thinks you're scum.
The second point has more merit to it in that there's been an interesting interplay between Pie and Wylted, but it's also been variable enough that I'd only call portions of it buddying. WyIted has seemed more willing to buddy Pie than the other way around, at least recently. I don't agree with his method of focusing on character justification, but considering the limited options available, I can at least get where he's coming from, and his hesitance to pursue a lynch on me since I claimed doesn't seem as aggressive as what I'd expect from scum Pie.
As for the third point, considering we don't know what Pie is, I'd say that it's impossible to establish what risk comes from pursuing him for a lynch, but considering he is also either widely townread or at least nullread, I don't think you're going to be able to recruit enough people to do this.
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@Casey_Risk
Whiteflame - This is the one I'm most conflicted on. On the one hand, he's an un-cc'ed Cop with an early claim, which is a good sign. On the other hand, both Pie and DD found his explanation of his role based on his character to be a bit sus. Right now, it feels like I'm viewing an argument about whether Dart Monkeys in Bloons Tower Defense having an upgrade that lets them see camo means they have camo vision, except I've never played BTD before in my life and don't know what a dart monkey is. Maybe Whiteflame just genuinely misunderstood his role PM, or maybe he's fakeclaiming. Either way, it's not a good look. For now, I'll say I'm slightly sus of him.
While I did love playing BTD back in the day, I don't think I could keep up with the new games at all at this stage. Probably be about as lost playing that as I would be with CoC.
In any case, I've already said that there's valid reason to sus my claim, and frankly I don't think anyone should be writing it off because it hasn't been CC'd. I've said all I can about my justification. DD and Pie both seem to know the game far better than I do, but whether the justification is accurate to how a Guard Post works or not, it's the one I've got.
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@Savant
My reasoning never makes sense, but it's usually right.
Even if you were right in previous games, though, it doesn't necessarily mean you're right now. I don't think you're going to get the support for a lynch on Pie at this stage, and I wouldn't back it.
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I've had some time to think on the DP and while there aren't a lot of people I'd say stand out, the efforts of some to fall under the radar stand out to me. I don't put 420 in that camp because the few posts he has made have been more indicators of his lack of familiarity with the game, which makes me think it's more likely that he's just not participating because he doesn't know what to do. If he really is just playing the part, he's doing it well.
I do, however, put Barney and Casey in that camp.
There has been a good deal of fluff and filler in Barney's posts, as well as a great deal of hedging. He posted about how much of what we have at this stage is intuition, which is a pretty basic assessment of how DP1 works, and recently posted a light sus on DD for VTLing me on grounds that he had already made rather clear prior to that. Bringing me to L-2 just after I said I was going away for a bit is frustrating, but not obviously sus to me.
Casey's involvement has been sporadic, and though they posted a view on my claim, they didn't take into account any of the back-and-forth between Pie and me that happened beforehand and just said of it that they know "basically nothing about CoC." Prior to that, their focus seemed largely questioning the various WyIted's and Pie's reads rather than having any distinct insights.
I'd put Savant in a similar camp (he seems pretty dead set on viewing Pie as scum for reasons that frankly don't make a lot of sense based on how Pie has played before), but given that he has stated he has a confirmable role, I'd like to at least give him a chance to confirm.
We have two full claims on the table and I'd be fine with seeking a claim from either Barney or Casey as well before the DP ends.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
As for this guy I have similar problems with the claim that pie has. I haven't played Coc since 2015 so didn't know what a guard post was but after looking it up it seems like it functions similar to a clan castle in defense. I think there would be better options for a cop character like the scouting button for example. I seem to remember Whiteflame saying he wasn't very familiar with the game and I would expect a fake claim from someone unfamiliar with the game to be something basic like a unit or building (I am not a unit or building and neither is Wylted so those aren't the only things Lunatic thought of).
I did say that, and since I haven't played the game at all, I'd say my knowledge of CoC is right around nil. As for there being better potential options for Cop, that's a mod psych argument that I've made myself on games where I knew the theme much better and it's often sent me in the wrong direction. Still, I can't argue that because I frankly have no clue what the scouting button is.
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@Mharman
Whiteflame: Scum. I can’t find a good reason for him being townie. The cop claim is waaaaay too sus for me, especially him saying he can get a result tonight. That doesn’t sound like something in a Lunatic game, and I have seen Lunatic confirm to scum once that there was no cop. A hint in that direction here isn’t impossible. As pie said, the logic for being cop doesn’t match up.
Considering Luna started off this game by saying that it was "going to be a very swingy game," I don't see why getting a result tonight is impossible. Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen him put that kind of disclaimer up front in previous games. As for sussing the Cop claim, like I said to Savant, there's always the possibility of a fake claim, so I don't blame you for being wary of it. I've said what I can about the justification, so I'll leave it at that.
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@Savant
How do you feel about Pie rn? You're the claimed cop, and he's still looking for reasons to sus you.
I think it's fair game to call me on my justification. Given that there's no theme split here and that we know scum were given some information to inform their fake claims, I think it's reasonable to do what we can to sus out fake claims however we can, and given that there are only two claims on the table and one is role confirmable after DP2 (WyIted's), I'd be more sus of him if he ignored it entirely.
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To be clear, I mean when I put in the last sentence, it just started spitting it back at me as is or with one or two words changed. The internal sentences at least gave me something slightly more different.
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@ILikePie5
Let’s try this. Ask ChatGPT to rephrase/paraphrase.
Admittedly haven't used ChatGPT much, so I had to try multiple inputs before it spit out something that looked different enough that it could be called paraphrasing:
"This structure can defend buildings that other defensive structures cannot reach. With a few troops stationed there, it helps to detect enemies from a greater distance outside your base."
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't like this answer. If you are fake claiming you would this could be an excuse to make up post hoc whether you want to make up a fake result tomorrow or say "oops only even nights" depending on what is convenient. If you are town... I am not asking for the full extent of your capabilities, just for one night ahead so we can lock you into having or not having a result tomorrow. Mafia already knows you are a cop and has you on their kill list either way.
Since scum are also likely to try to RB me rather than kill me, I'd say it matters, but since you're right that I'm more likely to be a target for the NK, I'll say that my answer is yes. I will get a result DP1 assuming I'm not RB'd or killed.
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