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@Savant
I’ve already said I scumread Earth as well, but this is just absurd.
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@Moozer325
Can't talk much right now. I used my NP action on Savant again.
I sincerely have no clue how you could justify doing this again. We're at LYLO. Killing Savant ends the game if he's town, regardless of your role.
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Like I said, I’ve been here and made the mistake of not using the NP to get more information. And if Savant is successful, we might not lose anyone.
VTNL
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@Earth
@Savant
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
I'll VTL whiteflame soon, but just want to mention one thing before that. I did predict Savant dying this DP, so if we Lynch him, then it's not MYLO, and I have a chance to get someone else tonight.
Seriously, wtf even is this? It would still be MYLO. We’d still go down to 3-1 at best, and that’s assuming Moozer hits the right target. We’d lose our Doctor to boot.
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@Savant
No way this is true...you posted much quicker than that. This message was pretty quick too.VTL Whiteflame
I mean, if you think I’m doing anything other than hurriedly typing up a response to you while sitting in the parking lot outside my dog’s daycare, then you’re wrong. I get that we carefully crafted one post from our game together as scum, but this isn’t the first time I’ve had to play quick defense as either town or scum, and I don’t make a habit of preparing posts offline in any case. Regardless of how this goes, I really did take the time to write these out while I was online.
Regardless of how this lands, I'm fairly confident I'll be able to track down the remaining scum tomorrow. Plus we still have Barney's votes.
See, this I don’t understand. If I’m town, you know you’ll be on the hook to save someone in order to save town, right? That comes before finding scum next DP.
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@JoeBob
we would have to guess the scum correctly both times in a row if we VTNL today
You have to guess correctly both times in a row if you don’t VTNL, or rely on Savant to protect the game right person.
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@Earth
@Savant
@JoeBob
Doesn’t seem like there’s anything else I could say at this point. Like I said before, I think the VTNL makes the most sense this DP, but it doesn’t seem like anyone’s considering it for some reason. I made this mistake a few games back with Vader, don’t think we should make it now. I’m going to call out WIFOM where I see it, so if that makes me scummy, so be it.
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@Savant
But would the janitor visit if the NK fails? That's what I'm doubting.
The NK triggers the visit. The Janitor doesn’t visit independently of it, so yes, that should trigger a visit.
you haven't been super active in finding them until now when you need someone else to take the spotlight.
I’ve been calling out Moozer since he claimed last DP. I would have said he was my scumread at the time, but considering we weren’t able to vote anyone else, I waited until this DP to suggest him as a vote. I’ll admit it took me a bit to find issues with Earth.
In other words, you might act this way as town, but you would definitely act this way as scum.
I mean, you’re giving me a list of reasons to sus me. Responding by finding leaps of logic kind of comes with the territory, but fine, this a gut read.
As scum, I think you would jump the gun and try and put the spotlight on someone else as soon as possible.
I think that would make me more likely to target one player, but again, gut read. Can’t blame you for making it.
Scum absolutely have to make bold moves to win.
Don’t know if I agree that this was a bold move, but fine. Seems like another gut read.
Oh, also don't think I didn't notice that WF posted that response to me like less than a minute after coming online. Which means he'd been offline writing it and preparing to come online and post it.
So I’m just going to straight up say this is wrong. I spent a good 20 minutes on this with the DP open and my profile online after checking your message to me. I didn’t just write this elsewhere and post it.
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@Savant
Alright, let's talk about these.
1. I don't really understand the first of these scenarios. Maybe Luna just does this differently, but my experience with failed NKs is that even unsuccessful NKs register as visits. But yes, if I had a role I could use during the NP, the RB would have prevented me from using it.
2. So we lynched Austin DP1 because of inactivity, and we lynched Barney last DP because JoeBob made himself and Barney the only choices, so... that somehow means there's a skilled player on the scum team? It doesn't seem like scum have had much of a role to play in either lynch aside from being on those wagons. And given that you admitted to not being able to use your role during NP2, I don't buy that scum are even likely to have a skilled player on their team, since you would have been the obvious target.
3. I don't get this one either. There are two scum left in the game. I sussed both of the players I think are on that scum team. I also said that eliminating me for PoE probably makes as much sense as eliminating either of them. If you want to get rid of me first, that's fine, but it puts the pressure on you to use your role correctly during this NP.
4. This is just WIFOM. Scum have every reason to misdirect attention and killing Pie obviously makes me look sus since he was sussing me. I understand trying to read the NK this way, but given that I was already pretty certain I'd be the lynch this DP (and frankly, I still suspect I will be), I don't know what I'd stand to gain by NKing him.
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Alright, finally got some time to sit down and catch up. Here are my thoughts so far.
I think I necessarily should be in the PoE pool. I'd sus my claim too, and since it's not confirmable unless the person I'm connected with is NK'd, I don't blame anyone for thinking I'm a potential lynch.
That being said, I've apparently been RB'd (I didn't get notified, but Casey Tracked him to me) during NP2, and Casey Tracked me NP1 and found that I didn't move. I can be scum and both of those things can still be true, but that also means we have more information on me than anyone unless we're sussing one or both of their claims. I have no reason to sus Casey at this point based on his claim and results, though I am sussing Earth at this point. The JK in particular came off as strange to use flippantly on a player with no claimed role up to that point, though I understand the RB since he probably susses me.
We have every reason to believe Savant is the Doc, since the NK was prevented last DP, so he's effectively confirmed town. JoeBob demonstrated his role, so he's confirmed town.
That just leaves Moozer who, like me, has a role that is currently unconfirmable. He has also said a few things that just don't make sense. He said it was plausible that he was JK'd last DP, despite only receiving "confirmed" in response to his submission. He has also now said twice that he selected Savant as the likeliest person to be lynched. As someone who claimed to be "hard confirmable" in DP1 and then claimed Doc in DP2 after preventing the NK, I don't get either of these choices. It's not a "jerk move," it's hedging his bets on someone who is not at all likely to be lynched two NPs in a row.
Like I said last DP, I'm fine with being lynched for PoE, but it's between Earth and Moozer for me. We're at 4-2, so this might be the time to consider a VTNL. I'm not sure why some of you are saying that someone will die at random if we do - that was only the case when JoeBob's Gladiator was active. Nothing in the DP1 OP or any subsequent OP has said anything about VTNLs resulting in a random person dying. I've messaged Luna just in case, but considering it could reduce PoE and give us more information during the NP (not to mention give Savant a chance to prevent the NK as well), this might be our best option.
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@Savant
God I'm tired. Don't know why I said "my choice" - meant the target I was assigned.
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@Savant
If you're telling the truth about your role, might be best to protect Pie tonight since he's a likely target.
I believe he's town based on whatever you two have going, so he's a possible target for my role, though I don't want to give away my choice to scum. Still, appreciate it.
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@ILikePie5
Again, we’ll discuss it next DP.
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Regardless, this argument can happen next DP, when we’ll presumably have more info from various night actions.
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@ILikePie5
The role is directly linked to Grey, who was another character in that game. We know at this point that each character is from a different game, so Grey doesn’t exist in this game. The entire justification doesn’t make sense in this scenario because “Grey” doesn’t exist in this game. Only Grey can be protected per the PM, but Grey doesn’t exist in this game, so this is clearly a fake claim coming from Whiteflame
First off, would’ve been really nice if you tagged me on this post. I’m running around with my wife to appointments and I had no idea what was going on until I hopped on.
Second, let me get this straight. You’re saying that someone who is a fan of this anime, who knows these characters very well, would actively decide to fake a claim that you believe requires one of those two characters to be in the game? I’ll admit, I was surprised too. My game’s the only one that contains Gray Fullbuster, so I fully expected that people would sus me over this claim. It’s practically a given. That being said, this is Luna’s attempt to combine a lot of games together to make one using a variety of roles. I don’t see any protective roles here aside from Savant’s claim.
I still expect to be lynched, if for nothing else than PoE. I hope I’ll be killed by my role instead, at least taking one scum out with me.
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@Casey_Risk
I'm the Tracker. Last night I tracked Whiteflame, who visited nobody.
Alright, that makes sense of your previous post about townreading me.
I buy what Moozer says tbh. When I messaged Luna, he responded by saying "confirmed" and only later told me that Whiteflame didn't visit anybody.
The difference is that you got a result. We don’t know what Moozer’s role is, but he says he received confirmation and then nothing, so it depends on the role he used, but he should have gotten a notification that his role failed. Maybe Luna just doesn’t confirm that certain roles are RB’d, but that would strongly depend on the role. I also don’t know why he’d say the JK probably happened if he didn’t receive a follow-up message.
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@Moozer325
Just to be absolutely clear, the message was just “confirmed”
That makes more sense, I guess, though that doesn't confirm the JK.
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@Moozer325
I think it was just Luna confirming that he saw the message.
That’s… odd. We can come back to this after your claim.
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@Moozer325
Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. It’s not really applicable in that respect, but I got a confirmed message from the mod, so probably.
When you do claim (wait until Casey does first), please explain this. Earth says he JK’d you. That would have prevented your night action, but you got a confirmed message anyway? How?
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OK, so there’s a lot I’d like to ask about based on what everyone says they did during NP1, but I think some of that can be clarified by role claims.
So I’m Juvia Lockser. The role says Protector, and I kind of remember this from the game, though it’s pretty different from versions of the role I’ve seen elsewhere. I’m tied to another player by loyalty (I’d like to at least keep who that is under wraps) and if that player is targeted for an NK, then I kill the NKer and eat the NK in place of their target.
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@ILikePie5
I’m on my way home from a doctor’s appointment and I’d like to get caught up on the DP first. I’ll full claim when I do.
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Wait… wtf…
So there was no NK, or someone prevented it, and JoeBob decided to use his Gladiator on Barney for some reason? We’re doing this now? Seems like a waste. Barney was always going to be somewhat sus with that role claim, doesn’t seem like he needs to be singled out.
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Ugh, 28 minutes too late. Really hope you’re not our only tracking role, since information could matter quite a bit this game.
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@Barney
Point taken. Even having two votes means they could give a yes-no confirmation once, so there’s a degree of communication that can be achieved beyond just “look here.”
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@Savant
If there was no restriction, we could use votes and unvotes to ask Barney yes-no questions.
You know, I didn’t even consider that. Thanks for clarifying.
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@Barney
I believe the role as listed says you have a limited number of votes. Odd restriction.
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@ILikePie5
Assuming that happens, I think we’d have to choose between Barney and Austin for a lynch, so we’d have to balance the likelihood of Austin’s claim against his absence. If he’s the un-CC’d Cop, he obvious lives. If he’s the Doc, then I’d understand lynching the claimed Restless Spirit to avoid losing an important PR. Otherwise, it would depend.
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@AustinL0926
At this point, yeah, I think it's warranted. He says he has been slammed, but being absent this long is just leaving us stuck in place.
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@Barney
Ugh, sounds like a rough week. Appreciate your posting despite being exhausted.
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@Savant
I was talking about JoeBob's role. "The next day, votes may only be cast for me and that dude I wanna challenge." If he challenges Barney and Barney is town, then we can only lynch one of those two town players.
Ah, that makes a lot more sense. I likely misread it - spent a lot of time going back over the DP.
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@ILikePie5
I don’t love the prospect of getting a fourth claim in general, but considering his lack of activity, I don’t love the idea of moving onto the next DP and having him remain a complete unknown, so I think it’s justified.
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Sorry about the spacing on that one and the delay. Spent a while out with the horses for my wife's sake today.
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Alright, reads.
Since everything at this point is based on pretty weak behavioral reads, I'm not going to separate into subsets of town, null or scum (though I have none of the latter currently). I'm just going to break these down to town and null, and put the former in order of who I think is the towniest.
Before I get into it, though, a thought about claims in general in this game. Normally I put some stock in who claims what and when, and while there will be some of that based on the existing character/role claims, I don't think that applies to the game claims that have been given. Scum effectively came pre-packaged with a set of relatively safe fake claims (i.e. all of the town characters and roles from their game), so presumably, scum had limited incentive to fake claim their game. It's not impossible, since they might want to keep their scum role hidden, but since doing so would mean that they risked being CC'd, I'd say it's unlikely.
On the other hand, there is clearly at least some risk to claiming certain characters and roles, since those can always be CC'd. It's worth considering what claims scum might take from their games that make them look more innocuous, particularly if they cannot be confirmed. If they can be confirmed, then as has been mentioned by a couple of people already, then it's worth considering whether that confirms their alignment. Thankfully, we know what roles are in each game, so that narrows it down.
On the other hand, there is clearly at least some risk to claiming certain characters and roles, since those can always be CC'd. It's worth considering what claims scum might take from their games that make them look more innocuous, particularly if they cannot be confirmed. If they can be confirmed, then as has been mentioned by a couple of people already, then it's worth considering whether that confirms their alignment. Thankfully, we know what roles are in each game, so that narrows it down.
Town:
Casey - We haven't seen Casey as scum yet, so it's hard to say how he'd behave in the role. That being said, the way Casey's using his posts stands out as particularly townie to me. Starting by asking about how majority and plurality votes work in this context, claiming his game early, and the kind of soft pushing for claims comes off as early town activity, as did revealing Barney's role from those emojis.
Moozer - Moozer has been a bit hard to read, mainly because he's still relatively new to this, but can really step it up from time to time. I see a bit of both in his behavior. He waited to claim his game pretty late, but he acknowledged that there was (supposed to be) an order to the claims. I can see a bit of buddying Pie, didn't initially give much reason for sussing Savant or JoeBob initially, but gave more when asked. I don't know if I fully understand his PoE, but I get where he's coming from. It's a more tenuous read, but it's here.
Pie - I have trouble reading Pie in general, but I think his scumhunting in this game comes off as genuine. Maybe it's just that he's able to run the show more this time without pushback, but it's nice not to see pages and pages of back-and-forth only to just nullread it in the end because that's just what happens when Pie butts heads with someone. Maybe I'm just missing signs, though it usually takes me a couple of DPs to see anything odd in Pie's play, so I'm keeping him here for now.
Savant - Behaviorally, I'm pretty null on Savant. Nothing has really stood out to me. He first questioned the push on Barney to get his role, which I understood since it was primarily based on his play last game, but then just kind of folds because he doesn't have a better option for a target. He did say something strange about Barney's role that I don't think jives with how it actually works (I think we can lynch scum tomorrow regardless of what happens to him - maybe I'm misreading something), but I don't know how to read that. That said, he's claimed a "Hard confirmable" role, so at the very least, we've got something to hold him to next DP. That sets him apart.
JoeBob - JoeBob has been more playful in this game than most, which was initially off-putting. I recall pretty similar behavior in our time together as a scum team, though so far at least, this game has lent itself to that a little more due to wait times. The main reason why I'm townreading him is similar to Savant's: his role is confirmable. The difference is that Savant has stated that he will confirm his by next DP. We don't know when JoeBob will. Still, the promise of confirmation even at some point sets him apart as well.
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Earth - I've already mentioned that Earth came off as buddying Pie a bit when he mentioned pushing on Barney, though that's not a first for Earth. I'd say Earth is the closest one in this pool to being townread because of his role claim. It's a JOAT with multiple roles that can at least be semi-confirmed (i.e. he can be tracked/watched for), even if we cannot confirm what he did. At minimum, he's someone whose night actions can be partially verified.
Barney - I put Barney and Austin on a similar level, mainly due to their lack of participation. The difference is that Barney has claimed a role, albeit one that is only confirmable when he dies. Beyond that, his contributions have mostly been in good fun (love the clip), and giving some advice to Casey. Not enough to form a townie read on him behaviorally.
Austin - Austin's mainly down here due to lack of participation. He just hasn't posted much this DP, and none of his posts so far have been substantial. He claimed in the middle of the pack, said he had a townlean on Casey, Moozer and Barney for not listening to Pie's directions, and VTL'd Barney, and nullread Barney and Earth. It's a weak set of assessments that I'd like to see updated in full reads.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah, I've been re-reading the DP to post substantive reads. Almost done.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll post reads when I get home.
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@Casey_Risk
Whiteflame, your full role claim has been requested.
As Pie already said, I’m not keen on outing more claims this DP. Like I said earlier, I’m fine claiming, but given that we already have 3 full claims and the fact that these claims don’t inform a theme, I’d rather keep information to a minimum until next DP to reduce the amount of info scum has going into the NP.
That being said, if we decide the information is necessary to inform a lynch, I’ll claim.
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@ILikePie5
I read this as Fast Food
I guess I can see that, but he specifically chose the Chinese takeout container. Maybe he didn’t want to be obvious by using the panda emoji, or maybe I’m just getting side-tracked. It would be odd for him to claim two roles just to keep us guessing when one is Vanilla.
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@JoeBob
🤔
You would. My millennial brain can’t keep up with all the pictures!
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@ILikePie5
What else do you see?
⏩🥡 suggests Panda Express, which was me in that game (I was vanilla)
⚫🤖⚔️ is harder to parse. I’m guessing it’s not meant to evoke a company but his mood at the time. Any guess I have is a stretch. Thought he was initially suggesting BattleBots for some reason.
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@Barney
Man, I love that scene.
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@Earth
@Barney
So there is definitely more going on in Barney’s post than I initially saw, though it raises more questions than answers for me. We can come back to it later, though I see multiple claims in those emojis.
As for Earth’s claim, from what I’m seeing, that’s basically a JOAT role. Should at least be somewhat confirmable, even if only in terms of monitoring his movements.
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Damn, I pass out early and we devolve into emojis.
While I don’t generally like pursuing a claim from someone for behavior in past games (beyond some sheeping from Earth, no one’s behavior really stands out as odd in this DP so far… aside from the aforementioned emojis), the fact that Barney hopped on, posted, and then hopped off without claiming is another matter. I don’t want to put him at L-1 unless he becomes completely intransigent, but Barney should full claim at this point. We need to move past this.
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@ILikePie5
I know I’ve been relatively inactive this DP (just got back from Shabbat services/dinner) so I don’t mind going after him.
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@ILikePie5
You know, Austin reminds me a lot of Speed
I can see it. Speed was always a bit more of a wildcard, though - wish he'd come back and play a bit one of these days.
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@ILikePie5
I do remember your doing rather well with it, though it helped that Speed crashed and burned.
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@ILikePie5
It’s practically ruined at this point cause Barney went without Casey popcorning him. I also would like you to soft claim early on just because I can never read your behavior
Alright. I’m Vader’s Fairy Tail Mafia game from way back. Didn’t expect to get one I remembered.
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@Earth
@AustinL0926
@Savant
@JoeBob
@Moozer325
This one seems like it'll be fun, much more behavior-based given the lack of a theme split.
Also, no one was tagged at the start for whatever reason. Glad we have those extra 4 hours. Just going to tag everyone who hasn't posted yet. Don't mind at least getting soft-claims at this point. Are we still popcorning this?
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