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I really don't think it's either Poly or GP at this point. It's really a question of whether we should be sussing Evilgenius or Supa at this point.
I think both could be viewed as sus behaviorally. Each of them has jumped around quite a bit when it comes to who they sus and why. I outlined my issues with Evil's reasoning during the last DP, and those still stand out to me, though I agree that Supa wasn't any better, particularly in DP1.
When it comes to their claims, I'm sussing Evil more. It's not so much that he's Vanilla as that the absence of Supa from this game would mean the following:
1. Town doesn't have a protective role.
2. He claimed the sole protective role in DP1, before scum had a verified safe claim.
3. Town's only PRs are a Watcher and a Tracker.
I have a harder time believing that that's the case than I do that there are two Vanillas instead of three, especially given that, as the Innocent Child, I'm functionally Vanilla. I also don't see how Ken Jeong fits in with a theme split that includes George Carlin on the scum side. Maybe we should consider it niche enough to be a decently secure fake claim, though I will note that he basically committed to it during DP1.
On the whole, I'm just not buying that Supa is the more likely of the two, but even if he is, we're guaranteed another opportunity at a lynch during the next DP. At the moment, I'm putting my vote on Evil, though I'm willing to consider the hammer on Supa.
VTL Evil
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Going to be judging a live debate for a bit here. I'll post after we're done.
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@Greyparrot
Suffice it to say that I'm trying to decide whether it's infighting among town or a discrepancy worth noting. A Strongman/RB isn't beyond the realm of possibility, and that would explain these results, even if it makes Poly suspicious.
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@Polyglot
My action failed in the night. I’m the watcher. The first night I watched Speedrace, the second night I watched Whiteflame. Both night my action failed.I don’t know how both me and Supa could have or actions fail in the night given that there is only 1 scum player leftVTL Supa
Well, it's a bit unclear that Supa's action failed. Seems like he's saying that his action succeeded, but that it failed to provide Wylted protection. The Strongman could account for that. We know that your action failed during both NPs, so we can assume that you were the target of the RB, which the other scum has. We also know that the NK was executed by Speed, since the Janitor got used. It's possible that the other scum is a Strongman/RB.
That being said, while I understand your targeting me during the second NP, Speed is an odd choice for the first. Why him?
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@Vader
So, to clarify, did you successfully Doc Wylted and that failed to provide him protection, or did you fail to Doc him? What were the contents of the message you received with regards to your action?
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@Vader
@Polyglot
Alright. That should mean that Poly's role went through. Poly?
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@Vader
@Polyglot
Meant to tag you two on the previous post.
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Alright, so we're at 4-1. We can execute 1 lynch without fear of a mislynch. Good position to be in for town.
I initially thought that Wylted was onto something, though with that flip, it's pretty clear that the split has nothing to do with cancel culture. George Carlin doesn't fit into his theme split. If George Carlin's on the scum team, then we're dealing with a split that looks like it involves older generation comics vs. newer generation comics, which was the split I was considering. That places Evil squarely in the crosshairs with his claim. The fact that Speed was on that lynch shouldn't give us pause, as this is hardly the first time that he has used an opportunity to bus his partner to clear his name, and he joined that particular lynch pretty late after there were enough votes to execute it in place. In general, as I've already pointed out, Evil hasn't looked particularly good all game behaviorally, and even his response to getting sussed was somewhat uncharacteristic.
But I'm not going to vote just yet. I'd like information first.
Supa, who did you Doc?
Poly, you clearly have some PR. Clarify what your role is and say what you did during the last NP. Also, clarify what made you think you were RB'd.
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@Wylted
I think Mulaney's a better fit for your theme split than either Schumer or Jeong, tbh.
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@Wylted
I don't think you find out town's characyer when you lawyer them am I wrong about this?
It's Janitor, not Lawyer. Here's what I read about it:
"Usually, but not always, Janitors will learn the role and alignment of the players they kill even if they clean up the body. Whether this information is revealed to the player or to the team at large is also up for debate."
So, at minimum, they learn the role. It doesn't say anything about character, though there might be variants of this role that do include getting the character. In any case, I buy that it's plausible that they don't have any secure fake character claims.
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@Wylted
I say they stole pies role and Don't know his character, and that speed is letting g his partner claim pie's role.On top of that, because of pie's high activity, they probably fucked up and thought he was a power role but accidentally stole a vanilla role.I think occam's razor suggests the above is close to the truth
I'm willing to consider it. I honestly hadn't thought that they might not get his character. For now, at least, I am in agreement with you that Speed is likely on a scum team (or at least that it's him or Evil), and that lynching him would at least give us essential information for figuring out who to lynch in the next DP.
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@Wylted
you lack some common sense hereAll of these comedians have not just been randomly affected by cancel culture. There were huge attacks on Dave Chappelle and Bill burr on by woke culture. Louis ck was jacking off in front of people and Bill Cosby raped, both got canceled. Amy Schumer got canceled by the right-wing. These aren't just random woke culture attacks. If you Google comedians canceled by woke culture, these are the first names to pop up, and lunatic gives a shit about this subject and deeply so. This theme split needs to be taken seriously
I don't doubt that it's a plausible split. I'm having trouble understanding how it fits with scum's strategy. They had a town claim served up to them on a platter, but they chose to ignore it in favor of claiming their actual character. The only reason they might do that is if Pie had a role that is easily confirmable, but even then, they could at least claim his character. I don't see why Speed would risk claiming Mulaney if he was at all worried about us discovering the theme split is as you say it is. I have a much easier time buying that Mulaney is Pie's claim and that he's partnered with Evil, with whom they tried Bill Cosby because they knew they could get away with it at that point.
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@Wylted
Alright, I didn't have a good picture of what you meant initially, but that makes more sense. The only problem I see is that niggling fact that scum has a town claim from the Pie NK. Supa was basically locked into his claim by the end of DP1 on the basis that he'd claimed Doc, so Ken Jeong was already his claim by then, which means that Speed got Pie's claim, refused to actually use it as his own claim (since that's the only way this theory works - he would have had to claim his actual character), and instead relied on our inability to discern the theme split. I find that a little hard to believe.
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I'm willing to consider the lynch on Speed, though with 4 claimed Vanilla, I'm starting to buy that there are likely 3 in this game. We have a claimed Tracker, Doc and something else from Poly. At the very least, we know that Poly wasn't on the NK and didn't do anything, which supports his case for being RB'd. The trouble here is in not knowing what Pie was.
If we assume he was a PR, then that makes it more likely that one of the three claimed PRs I've covered above is lying, and that's most likely Supa since Wylted and Poly have somewhat inadvertently made it more likely that each of them is town. His partner is either Speed or Evil.
If we assume he was Vanilla, then it's either Speed or Evil because they both claimed Vanilla roles with new characters after the start of this DP and neither had given softclaims in the previous DP. It would probably be both of them because they'd be firmly aware that the rest of the claims would all be PRs and this was the only way to blend in. I still believe that Bill Cosby stands out quite a bit more as a claim than John Mulaney, so I'd prefer a lynch on Evil.
That being said, I would be OK with a lynch on either Speed or Evil, since my POE says that at least one of them is scum. I'm far less certain of Supa.
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@Wylted
I seriously don't buy this at all. Cancel culture has, in some way, affected virtually every major comedian these days. I don't see how the separation can possibly be a clean one for Ken Jeong and John Mulaney, especially given some of the stories I've read about them.
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@Wylted
I say we lynch speed to test the hypothesis, seeing as he is the less active of the 2 and if I am wrong we save the doctor. Help meUnvote VTL speed
The cancel culture hypothesis? You mean the hypothesis that my justification directly invalidates? I'm not opposed to a Speed lynch, though at the moment, I'm still having trouble understanding why Evil is not the obvious lynch based on what we know. We shouldn't be testing anything at this stage. It's 5-2 and another mislynch will put us at 3-2. We should be exceedingly careful.
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@Wylted
this is about cancel culture. Town is comedians cancel culture got to. I am Dave chappelle
Interesting thought, but my PM invalidates it. It says that (and I'm paraphrasing) I am effectively untouchable when it comes to cancel culture. That's the reason I'm the Innocent Child, it's my justification. So, no, I don't think that's it.
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@Wylted
@Polyglot
I’m going to come out and say I was possibly roleblocked last night based on my PM message. I feel like the initial pressure on me from Wylted to out my results was him knowing something had happened to me in the night phase, which is why I wanted him to explain why he was only asking for my results. In addition to him signaling me out DP1 over such a ridiculously small reason I’m saying he is really scummy to me.VTL Wylted
Can we seriously just clarify what the hell has been going on between you two since the start of the DP? It sounds like Poly is claiming that his role didn't go through, but Wylted is saying that he witnessed Poly doing something. I don't know why we'd wait at this point since it's clear that you both have PRs. Wylted, what did you see happen that told you Poly has a PR?
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@Wylted
I know the theme split. Lightning just struck my brain. I will reveal it after a mass character claim.
...Alright, you wrote this as I was typing up my post. We already have all the character claims except yours, dude.
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We are now up to 4 Vanilla claims. That's more than half of town. Does anyone honestly believe that there are 4 Vanilla in this game + 1 Innocent Child? I certainly don't.
Important to consider, though, is just who has claimed which characters.
Bill Cosby - Evil
John Mulaney - Speed
Louis CK - Drlebronski
Amy Schumer - GP
Bill Cosby definitely stands out, and not just on the level of criminality. He's also by far the oldest among these comedians. And yes, if we check out the other character claims so far (yes, I'm going to out the characters of those who softclaimed in DP1):
Bill Burr - WF
Bill Burr - WF
Andrew Shulz - Poly
Ken Jeong - Supa
The trend continues. We don't know what Pie was, but I'd imagine that both he and Wylted were/are going to fall in the younger category. I do think at least one of these (I have my suspicions) is a fake claim, but I think Bill Cosby is the actual character Evil has, and I think he's scum. I just read his justification, and I don't buy it. The Louis CK justification we got after Bron's flip says nothing about the "me too era" being to blame, and his case is far less severe. I don't buy that the split is between rapists and non-rapists, but Cosby stands out from all of these by a wide margin. All that being said, I'm still reading through the rest of this DP, so give me a bit before I make the decision on the hammer.
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@Evilgenius
You are at L-1. You need to full claim as soon as you get on.
Also, where's that indignant, OMGUS response that you had in the last game when Disc pushed a lynch on you?
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@Speedrace
I'm not going to get into a deeper back and forth on the reads you posted in DP1. Suffice it to say that I didn't scum read you heavily over them and I still don't, but despite your protestations, they still seem a little off to me. Maybe that's just you trying to post quickly and get it over with. Again, it's POE that has you in my scum reads at the moment, not so much the substance of the reads.
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@Vader
@Speedrace
Would originally vote Supa but since he claimed doctor, if there is no other protective role then that makes him look very good, however if he doesn't die tonight then he should be tomorrow's lynch
...Why? We don't know if Supa can self-target (and Supa, please don't say if you can), but given that scum doesn't know that either, there's a good chance they'll avoid targeting him if they think he will Doc himself. As far as I'm concerned, Supa's about as town confirmed in this game as anyone besides me. He has claimed Doc as scum in a previous game, but there was already a protective role on the board and the possibility of being CC'd here just makes the claim incredibly ballsy. Either Supa has inside knowledge as scum that allowed him to make this claim at the end of DP1, or he's town. His death (or lack thereof) during NP2 is unlikely to change my perception of him.
Everyone left is Poly, Wylted, and Evil; I already have a townread on the former two which has not changed, and I agree with WF that Evil has thrown all care to the wind and is extremely inconsistent. Also no one really mentioned this but he's joining the one lynch (Supa) that is popular, which I think looks like an attempt to create opposition to his own lynch, so VTL Evil
I'm still torn on Evil in some ways. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum, but as Poly said, I think there's reason to believe that this may just be the result of still being pretty new to this. In no way should we dismiss him on the basis that he's new to this, but that pattern of behavior isn't entirely odd for him. That being said, he was on two hours ago and decided not to post anything despite having two votes (and a promised third vote) on him at the time. I still sus him more than you.
Also I'll claim, I'm John Mulaney, vanilla
So... we're just not going to mention the fact that this is the third Vanilla claim, that one of those Vanilla claims is confirmed, and that the other is someone you strongly townread? It's possible that Luna just put 3 Vanillas in this game, but especially given that I'm functionally just town-confirmed Vanilla, that's a pretty weak town. Poly did set up an even weaker town last game (a Miller, an Enabler, a DP3 Innocent Child and 2 Vanillas out of 8 town), but it does nonetheless strike me as unusual.
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@Wylted
I mean my behavior can be partially, and possibly linked to the fact I have not done Adderall in over 1 year and I ran into an old pill container that had 30 mg slow release capsules.Just for reference prior to that year, I usually just popped Adderall when depressed and tried to stick to 10 mg. I only did this, because when I get depressed I have zero energy. Like I'm almost catatonic.After that 30 mg Adderall I staid up for 36 hours and had a ton of energy. Basically just writing and various other creative work until I passed out.
Maybe so, that's why your Null for now. Like I said, I'm not currently sussing you, and while your method of pursuing the lynch was distinct from your previous behavior, the choice to do so is consistent.
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@Wylted
random claim, trying to set supa up for a lynch tomorrow at Mylo. No no no. Something doesn't smell right.
It's not just that it's random. It's Vanilla. It's possible that we have 3 Vanillas, but I would say it's unlikely. Mulaney doesn't come off as an incredibly safe claim, but it's possible that it is his actual character and he just attributed a different role to it. It's also possible that the claim is Pie's. He did vote for Evil knowing that he's was on the verge of being lynched, but Speed has a history of bussing his partners hard. Still... I'll need to rethink my POE.
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@Wylted
You don't think perhaps there is a damn good reason I chose poly to ask this to?
I'm honestly not sure what your goal is in this. You clearly have information that we don't about what Poly did during the last NP. I'm not sure what you know, but I'm also not sure what we stand to gain by having him provide said information before you do. I'll leave it to you to decide the best course of action because, at the moment, I'm not sussing you. I do think that, at some point, it's wise to just spill it.
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@Speedrace
Like I said above, I think Wylted's behavior should stand out to anyone who read the DP, even if you don't scumread him over it.I've taken the exact same stance with Wylted every game, and it does stand out to me, so what's your point?
You're not addressing the issue. We're all familiar with Wylted taking hardline stances on who is suspicious utilizing reasoning that the rest of us find unconvincing. I specifically have been pointing out that he went to far greater lengths in DP1 to make his point than I've ever seen from him, including writing up a whole Google Doc with sources to better establish his points. Have you ever seen Wylted do that in a game?
His basically nonexistent analysis of Pie, Evilgenius and GP also stood out to me.Evil was inactive, I always townread GP if he claims according to his meta in literally every game, and there wasn't much to go one for pie. And my reads were detailed for everybody else so I don't understand why a simple read on one person = scum read on me
Evil was about as active as you were, actually, with 4 posts to your 7. He didn't provide his reads until after you gave yours, so I'll give you that he wasn't exactly contributing heavily, but he had already been sussing Wylted up to that point. I could understand dismissing his contributions as uninformative up to that point, but I also pointed out several times that GP did not claim according to his meta, which is to full claim in his first post rather than only claiming his role. I also disagree that there wasn't much to go on for Pie. I know he's notoriously hard to read, but seriously, question marks dude?
At this point, I'm largely sussing you from POE, I'm just finding additional reasons to put you over that line.
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@3RU7AL
I cannot access google docs.I'm not sure why the text can't be posted on one of the forums on this actual website.
Because it's rather long and has yet to be made policy. I can provide you with a different format if you'd like, but you'll have to give me some means by which you can view it. If you have an email, I can copy-paste it into a document and send it to you.
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@949havoc
The added detail to banning policy serves to belittle the intent to manage the site. It should be much more simple than a tiered system. It's been over-thought making me think you're trying to manage three-year olds. Not the age group I necessarily want to engage. Just my personal opinion. Let others describe their opposition.
Then your issue is with how moderation is done rather than the use of a publicized SPES. If you want to have some say in that system, having a DebateArt President would help, but knowing what's actually involved in moderation so that you can address what's actually policy would be a good start.
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@3RU7AL
It was posted in the OP: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14I1uPxdhrhvN-y5ZYz6rWlOSGv8-hyCSKUPlYEru2zQ/edit
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@Wylted
I will also note that you haven't said one way or another if you have results. Do you?
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@Speedrace
@Evilgenius
Well, then I'm going to unvote for now. I do not want Evil to be randomly lynched because someone's not paying attention to the numbers before we give him a chance to respond and, hopefully, full claim.
Speed, you'll be next.
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In general, I'm having trouble understanding the complaints with #1.
Moderation has standards by which it enforces the various rules of the site already. The SPES is both a refinement of that enforcement and a means for regular users on the site to understand how they're enforced and in what instances. Moderation can and will still enforce these things, but the major difference is that the means of enforcement are more transparent than they've ever been. For all those people who are saying that enforcement should be changed, this is where you start, since this is the way you can most easily engage with existing enforcement mechanisms.
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@Wylted
It's precisely because he didn't say "no results" that I don't think he's scum, dude. Scum would have just provided fake results or said "no results" to get you off their back. I sincerely doubt that his intransigence here indicates anything other than being guarded about his role.
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@Wylted
I think Poly is trying to avoid providing information with regard to whether he is a PR or not. If he was to respond to you, I think he would reveal that, and I’d wager that if he had useful results, he would already have outed them.
So, I’ll restate his question to you: why are you pushing specifically on Poly to provide results while ignoring Evil and Speed? For that matter, why haven’t you addressed my request to provide your reads on Speed?
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@Greyparrot
@Wylted
@Vader
@Polyglot
Aside from thoughts on Evil, give your thoughts on Speed. I’m still willing to consider him as a potential lynch for this DP. I’d like to keep pressure on Evil until he responds, but I’ll be seeking a claim from Speed as well before the DP is over, so DO NOT LYNCH EVIL.
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@Greyparrot
vtl evil
You're going to want to bold that if you want it to count.
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@Wylted
We haveScum 1 and scum 2If I eliminate you as scum as not being. That does not mean you are clear from being scum 2.Scum 1 knows that pie would be hyper active as a power role, so that leaves outEven genius, speed and greyparrotWhiteflame is confirmed town, so he is not scum 1 or scum 2I think poly is usually pretty oblivious, so we have supa that remains. I also remain.It is also suspicious that supa is alive. I wonder if he will claim he can self doc.We should lynch scum 1 today, be it me supa or poly
I generally have a hard time buying this reasoning. It isn't that hard for scum to see Pie as a threat, regardless of whether he has a PR, and given the limited number of players who could have PRs left after the 2 Vanilla claims in DP1 (and, if they were paying attention closely enough, my softclaim in the same DP), their options were limited. As long as one player among scum recognized that Pie is among the greater threats remaining, it makes sense that they'd NK him. I agree that Evilgenius might not come to that conclusion, but I think anyone else would.
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Alright, though I will not post specifics with regards to what I've interpreted from soft claims in the last DP, I would say that scum is most likely between Speed, Wylted and Evilgenius. I'm largely eliminating others based on how early they claimed (hard or soft, though I'm not eliminating the possibility that may be because they were just confident in claiming their character without the theme being discovered) and behavioral reads, but I'll provide complete reads.
Town:
Supa - The claim obviously helps. Ken Jeong is a doctor, is reasonably famous, and does stand up. Based on the justification for Louis CK and my own character, that is perhaps a little more on the nose, but not so much that it stands out. Picking me or Pie as a target, given our participation in DP1 and how we could be seen as townread, makes sense to me. I think if Supa was scum, especially given the lack of information we had about the Doc role, he would have been to say that he protected himself. That would have seemed smarter, though a town scum would have anticipated that scum would avoid them in case they Doc'd themselves.
Town-lean:
GP - The only other hard claim in this game so far, the Vanilla claim doesn't give him a lot of cover (especially since he claimed after I said that it's anti-town to claim Vanilla without pressure), but given that he normally claims this way in DP1, it would have been more sus to leave it out. The lack of an initial character claim still has me a little uncertain of him, and while I think his suspicions of me are just what GP would do, he hasn't given me much reason to see his reads as townie yet.
Poly - A weaker town-lean, but his posts give me a decent indication that he's town. I've seen over multiple games how he responds to being sussed, which was to disengage and panic when put under pressure. Maybe he's gotten better about it, but his posts also give me some suspicions that I won't get into here, but lead me to believe that he's town.
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Wylted - His behavior in DP1 still stands out to me and I do not buy the "this is just classic Wylted" explanation from Speed. He's clearly putting more effort into this game in a way that he hasn't in the past, whether as scum or as town. I'm not sure how to read that, and I'm still trying to decide.
Scum-lean:
Speedrace - Having watched Speed in the last several games effectively take a backseat to the action, regardless of his alignment, I'm no longer regarding that as scummy. I am, however, regarding some of the dismissiveness of his reads as a little scummy. Like I said above, I think Wylted's behavior should stand out to anyone who read the DP, even if you don't scumread him over it. His basically nonexistent analysis of Pie, Evilgenius and GP also stood out to me.
Evilgenius - This is largely over inconsistency. He posted somewhat early in the last DP about how he didn't see anything from Poly that stood as scummy. He then shifts to a list of reads that includes a "..hmmm hmmm hmmm .." for Poly, and later calls out Poly later in the DP for "just sliding under the radar" to call him scummy, never once VTLing him. Now, presumably for the same reason, he's VTLing Poly. I can't say I understand his reasoning for shifting from no vote to VTLing Poly, especially when he also sussed Supa and hasn't responded to Supa's claim. It also doesn't help that his reads included "Nothing on WF yet" when I'd posted extensively in DP1. I understand sussing me much more than I do just pretending that there's nothing to be gleaned from my behavior in DP1.
So, if I had to choose, I'd go with Evilgenius. Guy's been all over the place, and I think we can get decent information from getting a full claim out of him.
VTL Evil
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@Wylted
Wish I could say I found something of his. I've seen soft claims from a few people, but not Pie. He's not prone to them. I will say that I softclaimed both my role and character, though I can only say that I've seen character claims so far from others.
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@Wylted
@Vader
With a claimed PR, yes. Who did you protect, Supa?
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And we're back with two fewer players and no way to know what Luna was because scum apparently used Janitor on him.
Oh well, at least I'm confirmed innocent (DP2 Innocent Child here). So much for your theory, GP.
Anyone got any results from the NP?
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Well, I'm very tired and I'm not willing to lynch Supa with the Doc claim, though I will note that he made the same claim not too long ago in a previous game where he was scum. We'll need more information before we can assess it fully and I doubt that's coming before the end of the DP. My vote stays on Bron while I sleep, so while I still have my reservations about it, if someone wants to hammer, the opportunity remains.
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@Vader
I would prefer a lynch to letting the DP lapse without you giving a full claim. I'll stay on late tonight, but I will hammer before I go to sleep if we don't hear from you again.
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I'll say yes to all 3.
I think the SPES system is a much more thorough and transparent means of explaining how moderation works and will respond to a variety of circumstances.
I see no harm in the inclusion of the "Community" category in the Help Center including all 3 of those elements. They largely exist in scattered forms across the site as is, and I think there's value in consolidation.
As for the DebateArt President, while I can understand the hesitancy of many who have already voted against it based on experiences on DDO, I'd say that this is markedly different and serves as a meaningful way to increase engagement. It's bound to invite some controversy, though I think there's value nonetheless that we can't gain from having a solely appointed moderation team.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
Reads on Supa?
Supa's flip-flopping does stand out to me, as do his responses. He tends to get pretty sulky and defensive as town, and I'm seeing more deflecting here than usual. He's hinted that he may be a PR, but I'm still willing to push on him.
I'm still trying to determine if I'll shift from Bron. His claim came early enough in the DP (and with the addendum of "can only contribute with my voice and vote") that it's making me second guess my initial read of him, though as Wylted points out, his later behavior looks more sus. I'm leaning toward shifting to Supa at the moment, but considering that I believe that would be the hammer (if I'm counting right, he's at L-1), I'd like to give Supa a chance to full claim before I make my decision.
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@Greyparrot
I dunno, I see pages and pages of you defending Poly with zero justification. That's pretty susSomething motivated you to do that.
If you think there's zero justification for those pages of responses, you didn't read very closely. I said why I did it: because the basis for the lynch was poorly justified and would not recruit enough people to accomplish anything meaningful. That was my motivation, stated several times over the course of that back-and-forth. I don't see how it's sus. I don't see how it mirrors any of the behaviors I displayed in either of the two previous games where I was sus, where I clearly played more passively up front. I don't see how being much more active is, in any way, beneficial to me as scum.
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