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@Wylted
Yeah, plus he practically claimed to town read Bron and still hammered, but you tracked pie to the NK target right?That's good enough for meVTL Pie
As soon as he lost his Enabler, Supa lost his PR.
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Well, that's frustrating. We just lost two investigative roles (I'm hoping there are more, since Supa's was effectively weakened by the presence of an Enabler), so we will have to rely less on results and more on analysis. And with Luna gone, that's going to put more pressure on the rest of us to participate.
I am kind of baffled by this early wagon on Earth. I understand that Luna's death implicated him somewhat, but as Pie said and as Earth later confirmed (albeit after some back-and-forth), that was likely the result of a mafia RB. Scum might not have known that he was the Doc if he had given a fake claim in DP1, but what's done is done. The fact that Earth was unsure about whether scum using Strongman would result in a similar outcome to an RB (that the action failed) looks townie to me, since I'm sure that if he was scum, he wouldn't have bothered asking here. More importantly, he has claimed Nurse Joy and we now have confirmed that Officer Jenny is in this game. I would have a very hard time believing that Nurse Joy is not in this game, and given that no one has CC'd him and no one else protected Luna, I'd say he's virtually town confirmed at this point.
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Long day, but I'm finally caught up. I'll give some reads.
Town-read:
Even given Luna's odd play in this game, and I'd say it's pretty odd (hard to say how much of it is due to actually having other time commitments, but this certainly wouldn't be the first time that Luna became rather passive to reduce attention brought onto himself), the combination of his character and its obvious role make him a solid townread to me.
Given the obvious pairing with Nurse Joy and Earth's decision to claim it despite warnings, I also townread him, though the claim itself is obviously pretty anti-town. It's possible that these two are a scum team (Officer Jenny and Nurse Joy being the only two characters on this list who are not single characters - they appear in every town as virtual clones of one another), but given that the claim of Miller is on the table and there have been no CC's to Luna's role, I think there's just too much else going on here to justify such a split.
Town-lean:
Supa is a weaker townread, though less so than Earth and Luna. The Ash claim makes it hard to believe he's scum, as does his behavior. These kinds of responses don't have the same feel to them as what I've seen when he's scum.
Wylted is probably my slightest townread. Oro's right that he hasn't been participating as much in this DP, but his participation has looked largely townie from my experience.
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Oromagi is doing his thing when it comes to analyzing the claims made so far, and that would normally make him townie in my estimation. However, he's been all over the place when it comes to who he susses, and while I agree with some of what he's said, there's a lot here that he could be using as a distraction, especially as his votes have largely been placed on people who didn't already have wagons on them. I'm balancing two elements of his behavior and having trouble determining how to see them.
I put Pie here because I'm having trouble reading him. All that posturing could be an effort to derail the DP, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but this also isn't the first time I've seen him get into it with Luna. That may mean that he's scum, but this also isn't the first time I've seen them butt heads and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was all just the result of Luna pushing for the massclaim and Pie being strongly opposed to it. Pie would absolutely be in my scum pile if he had just agreed to it from the outset, though he certainly didn't have to push back as hard as he did. As for the Charizard claim, while I agree that there are numerous elements that set it apart, I can also see a number of similarly distinguishing elements in other claimed characters. It's possible that it's a fake claim, but I'm not willing to lynch him in this DP with such a limited amount of information.
Evilgenius just isn't giving me enough to use in order to set him in either of the other camps. His claim came up late enough that it could be fake, and behaviorally, I can't get any kind of read on him from what he's posted. Being new to this also just generally makes any kind of read on him difficult.
Disc is the one just generally on the fence about. The Mewtwo claim is just sticking with me as odd, though its relation to the role makes more sense the more I think about it. I'm not familiar with his scum play, and right now, all I have to go on for experience of that play is Luna's statement. Behaviorally, I can't say I'm getting any obvious indications one way or the other.
Scum-lean:
drlebronski's role just stands out to me. I can't say that I fully agree with Pie's point about potentially confirming Supa, as I feel he's already in a good position and, with such an odd twist on the role already apparent, I don't think we can make any clear conclusions if he ends up flipping town. That being said, having looked back through the DP, I think Disc's original argument about the explanation of the role being a probable scum slip that he's just doubled down on is a pertinent point. Even Supa seems to sus the claim, though he's focused more on Pie's at the moment. The Enabler role just generally stands out as a solid fake claim to make town second guess any lynches, since it has the potential of affecting more than one player, and is quite a bit more uncommon than the Doc, Cop and Miller claims we either have or have strong reason to suspect at this stage.
So, that's where I put my vote.
VTL Bron
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@oromagi
The whole charizard argument seems to depend on some ephemeral reaction by Pokémon fans to the claim as both popular and non-representative of season 1. I don't know Pokémon so I don't really see how charizard is more sus than mewtwo by any standard. Do you think charizard is a sus claim? You're not VTL'ing Pie....
I'm compiling my thoughts on all the roles. Suffice it to say that I think both roles stand apart in ways both similar (e.g. they are both Pokémon) and different (Charizard has multiple iterations in the series as a whole, has multiple evolutionary forms, and doesn't speak, while Mewtwo only appears in the movie, is an actually villainous character for a lot of that time, and can only interact telepathically). I think they're both odd claims, but so is mine. Hell, I could make a case for why Gary Oak (he's probably in the fewest episodes of any character on this list and is the only rival) and Professor Oak (takes a backseat throughout basically all of the series), especially as the sole family members here, could make a plausible scum team, or even point out that we just happen to have two gym leaders (former gym leaders since they're on hiatus) on the list.
Honestly, I've been duped by theme analysis before, so I'm skeptical of this particular effort, especially as it's largely coming down to what is likely to be in this game rather than recognizing that games can and do often include characters for the purpose of linking to certain roles that the mod wants to include.
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@Earth
"Who is your favorite Shakespeare character?""Oh its Chorus from Romeo and Juliet."
First off, never said that the Narrator should be regarded as some amazing piece of character writing. That doesn't mean that he isn't a character, that just means that he, like most narrators, isn't particularly dynamic or interesting.
Second, while not all characters are narrators, the Chorus from Romeo and Juliet is actually an example of a narrator due to similar interactivity and independence (though that depends partly on the interpretation and portrayal).
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@oromagi
- I disagree with Whiteflame that narrators are characters. A narrator can be a character but is not necessarily so. I would say the distinction rests on whether the character has an arc, a narrative. Would you say that Pokémon's narrator has an arc? I don't see any sign of one.
I'm not arguing that all narrators are characters, though I am arguing that this one is. If you look at the Bulbapedia entry, the very first sentence says "The narrator is a third-person character of the Pokémon anime." The Narrator in Pokémon does actually interact with what characters say, even providing personal feelings about what's going on in a given scene. I'm not saying that he has an arc or a narrative (though I don't think you need that - side characters rarely get fleshed out to the point that they have actual arcs, yet they're still called characters), though I don't think that precludes him being called a character.
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@ILikePie5
I personally feel that the lynch on Disc helped us begin the POE that ultimately led to the lynches of Poly and Luna. Scum were essentially forced into their NK and I think we can use that to our advantage this DP.If Bron flips town, scum has a dilemma on their hands of who to kill. Luna is likely the Cop, Earth is likely the Doctor. If they kill Supa who is practically useless, they let a likely Doctor and a Cop live which is honestly better considering in this scenario Supa would virtually be a vanilla and 95% confirmed. If they decide to kill Earth or Luna, then they leave a town confirmed player alive which just aids in the POE even more.
Giving us some POE at the cost of a potentially important role seems more than a little dicey to me, especially given what you suggested earlier - that if Bron actually is the Enabler, that does not mean that the person he's enabling is town. Much as I don't think it's likely, it is still possible that Ash is scum in this game, and killing Bron could provide him effective cover for quite some time, even if it costs him a PR.
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@ILikePie5
Either way I think a lynch on Bron is the optimal play here because it can confirm another player and the claim just strikes me as a claim scum would make if they though the weird mechanic wouldn’t be looked at a second time just because it’s weird.VTL Bron
While I'm not particularly convinced of Bron's claim myself, we've been here before. Town may have won it, but during the Fast Food Mafia game, we made this same mistake of "confirming" Speed by lynching Disc. All it resulted in was an NK on Speed, which could very easily have led to town losing that game. Especially given that we don't know what Supa's role is, I think it's a big risk to lynch Bron over a claim that doesn't quite fit our expectations.
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@Earth
Considering that we don’t know who Ash’s dad is, that’s not saying much. I don’t disagree that the Narrator is a distinct character, I’ve said as much. I disagree with the notion that its distinction makes it inherently more suspect. Many of these characters are distinct in a variety of ways. We could come up with a half dozen or more plausible theme splits and have many or even all of these characters on each side depending on the criteria we use.
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@Earth
If it's something like non speaking characters for mafia, then there will be like 2 mafioso. We also need to consider Charzard was with Ash the whole time, it evolved from Charmander
I’d agree with this.
If the theme is something like pokemon trainers vs pokemon, then the Narrator won't work. The Narrator isn't a person, or a human. They don't have a character. Also the second half is WIFOM.
Except that that would exclude others as well. Professor Oak, Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny are not Pokémon trainers. It’s not unusual for a setup to be X vs. others, I don’t see why that couldn’t be the case here. I would disagree that the Narrator is not a character as well. Not being a physical presence and not being a character are two different things.
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@ILikePie5
Are Gary Oaks and Professor Oaks related?
Professor Oak is Gary Oak's grandfather.
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@Earth
We can talk about how much Charzard and Mewtwo appears, but can we talk about how the Narrator never appears? If you want to look at Charzard and see he only shows up in the last 1/5 of the anime, well the Narrator shows up for 0/5.
Similar issue to what I brought up about Charizard not having a speaking role. Not appearing in physical form certainly sets the Narrator apart, so I understand why that would stand out to you, but why is having a physical presence in the show what determines whether a character is in this or not? And wouldn't that oddness also make it a strange choice for a fake claim?
Intriguing thoughts on the VAs, though I can't say I know any of those names. Interesting crossover with Fire Emblem as well.
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@Lunatic
So that's the pm based reason to suspect pie, because now he's the only non talking Pokémon in the game. Now do you think he stands out at all?
It's unclear to me why a character must have a speaking role to be in this game, though that certainly does set his role apart. If we believe that Mewtwo is in this game, then I don't see why we shouldn't expect there to other Pokémon, and with you now stating that you are Officer Jenny, Pie's it. In a game about Pokémon, I'd be surprised if the only spot leant to an actual Pokémon was to Mewtwo, but maybe that's just me. It lends some credence to your argument, and certainly gives me more reason to sus him than it does you, particularly now that you've claimed one of the obvious two roles.
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@Lunatic
TBH it just solidifies my town read on him. If disc were scum it would take an easy google search of pokemon indigo league characters to realize automatically that MewTwo is a bit of a stand out in this regard.
I don't have enough experience playing with him to recognize this. For now, I'll defer to your experience with him as a guide, though my suspicions remain.
Thoughts on the Charizard claim and how it stands out compared to the others?
Can't say I'm seeing the problem. You're insinuating that there's something in your PM that suggests there's a problem here, but without seeing it, I don't know what that would be.
The character claim doesn't stand out as super odd to me, even on the basis that he was hyping it up a bit. Not knowing his role and having little idea of what it could be, I have a hard time understanding why hyping it up is out of place, though I don't even think that that was what he was doing. Saying that he would wait until 6 claims were made is arbitrary and maybe a bit of a delaying tactic, but for someone who was clearly frustrated with the mass claim and was initially saying he wouldn't claim at all, it doesn't stand out to me as particularly odd.
As for the claim being off... I don't know about that. First, since he existed in his unevolved forms for the vast majority of the series, as you indicated. The claim specifies Charizard, but that doesn't mean the other forms aren't a part of that character. Second, while I agree that Mewtwo was the main threat of the first movie, your point was that Charizard stands out based on the limited amount of time he spends in the series. Being a bigger threat doesn't change the fact that Mewtwo's existence in the series was far more limited. Third, we have other claims. Look at Gary Oak, who was in the series for quite some time but only appeared in a handful of episodes. Fourth, I can recall several instances from previous games where I tried to do exactly what you are doing, i.e. selecting characters based on how "main" they are within the series and determining their likelihood of being here based on that, only to be shown that many characters are selected on the basis that they better fit roles that the mod added to balance the game. This certainly wouldn't be the first time I have been surprised by what has been left out of a game and what was included in its place.
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@Lunatic
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that it takes place during the events of the season, even if it is at the very end of it. Still makes Mewtwo a bit of a standout as far as claims go, but only insofar as he’s the only character mentioned so far that is not in the series proper. That doesn’t exclude him as an option.
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@oromagi
To my recollection, his only appearances have been in the movies, though I haven’t seen any episodes from the later seasons. Part of the reason that Mewtwo doesn’t sit right with me is that he’s the only claimed character that originated in a movie and did not appear in the series.
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@oromagi
I though Indigo League was the first season of the TV show?
It is, but Mewtwo wouldn't be in this game solely encompassed the first season. I think the idea is that the first movie took place during the events of the first season.
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@ILikePie5
It would be a first for me to see a town Enabler enabling scum, and while it's possible that there are 3 scum (with Bron enabling one), I believe it's more likely that there are 2, though that would be an intriguing idea for a game setup. I'd be more inclined to believe that this is a fake claim than either of these possibilities. Wouldn't be too surprised since we just dealt with an Enabler two games ago.
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@ILikePie5
Disc - Mewto - MillerBron - Professor Oak - Enabler for AshOro - Misty - ???Luna - Pikachu - ???Earth - Nurse Joy - ???Wylted - Brock - ???Evil - Gary - ???Whiteflame - Narrator - ???Pie - Charizard - ???Supa - Ash - ???
Given these claims, I think we can start considering theme splits. We know that there's at least one fake claim in here to cover for Officer Jenny, though I won't speculate on which one I believe that is. It's also plausible that scum has fake claims, hence the absence of any Team Rocket members. Still, if we're working off of these being actual characters in this game, there are some plausible theme splits.
Both Gary and Mewtwo stand out as antagonists for the majority of the story in this arc. Gary is more of a nuisance, but Mewtwo did a lot more damage, albeit some of that was accidental. The Miller claim for Mewtwo makes more sense the more I think about it, given how the movie ended, but it would also make sense for him to just straight up be scum.
We also have only two of Ash's Pokémon, namely Charizard and Pikachu. Those both seem like obvious choices, but they stand out from Mewtwo in that they aren't independent characters and neither can speak. These are minor differences, but they could be seen as relatively safe fake claims, given just how many Pokémon options there were, or a possible split in their own right.
Those are the two I'm considering right now based on this list. Still think it's more likely that we have two Team Rocket scum, but I've been burned before by assuming a straightforward split.
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@Vader
Because my character has been mentioned a few times in this thread
By you or by others? And why does that function as a reason not to claim?
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@Vader
I'll wait until I am the last one to claim then.
Any particular reason you're delaying? With you as one of only two claims left, are you hoping you can CC Pie or are you trying to square away a fake claim?
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@Vader
Like I've stated before and countless times, I am anti mass claiming. Giving scum more information to work with is ultimately bad and god for bid Ash is claimed, we may actually lose out on a key role if Ash is presumably town and a PR
Cat's out of the bag at this point, Supa. I understand being anti mass claiming. Hell, we both recognized that all too well when we were a scum team a couple of games back. But almost all of the claims are already on the table. At this point, it's just you and Pie, and Pie already said he'll claim despite his initial intransigence (and a long string of back and forth with Luna that apparently went nowhere). Is this indicative of your refusal to claim despite having everyone else already on board?
Suddenly this game went from a mafia game to a Pie slander. I'm leaning toward toward a Luna lynch at the moment. When he's town, fmpov, he usually critiques people over PM versus creating a post such as this. He also seems to also be going back and forth with Pie, discouraging town from looking into lynches actually versus gut pushing Pie. Needless to say, his vote of Pie for not wanting to claim when I have stated as town that I do not approve mass claiming is somewhat weird, especially in a game where people know the theme and can EASILY make up claims. I also have reasons earlier of why he was in my FOS and his banter with Pie is making me lean more scum.
Luna usually manages to fly under my radar in general, and I've seen this kind of back and forth between him and Pie in games where both are town and where one is scum. I've made the mistake of reading too deeply into these before, and at least for now, I'm not sure that I read this as a reason to behaviorally sus either of them. It's posturing, with each of them wanting to have the last word, which I think is more about ego than anything else.
Whiteflame's character is odd. The Narrator as a character? That seems a bit suspicious in my opinion since most characters here are actual people or pokemon and not narrators.
I thought it was odd as well. He does stand apart, but he is also one of the most consistent elements of the show, and even responds to the characters throughout the show. Also, realize that this isn't the largest cast around. The series ballooned in later seasons, but the central cast is rather small during the Indigo League. If we're assuming that Disc's claim is accurate, Poly also chose to bring in a character from the first movie to fill this out. I think it stands to reason that he's stretching a bit to fill out all the characters and get better linked character/role pairings.
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To clarify what I said above, I do not want whoever is Officer Jenny to say that they are Officer Jenny. Please, do not do what Earth did and fake a character claim. Having some uncertainty about who is the Cop is better than nothing.
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…Alright then. I was going to write out a response to Luna, but now my point seems entirely moot.
Looks like Earth decided to give one of the two claims that Luna and I were warning against about 3 minutes after promising to read the DP and then hopped off immediately. Great. I’d say that we should still preserve whoever is Officer Jenny, but at this point, I agree with Luna that we’re in for it now, especially given that Wylted has claimed Brock. No point in holding back at this stage.
I’m the Narrator.
Looks like Earth decided to give one of the two claims that Luna and I were warning against about 3 minutes after promising to read the DP and then hopped off immediately. Great. I’d say that we should still preserve whoever is Officer Jenny, but at this point, I agree with Luna that we’re in for it now, especially given that Wylted has claimed Brock. No point in holding back at this stage.
I’m the Narrator.
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@Lunatic
I mean I am blatantly telling them to if they are of those roles. If they don't then hopefully they learn from the mistake. We need to change what's meta and do what's appropriate in the situation, otherwise town will keep making the same mistakes. Noobs on mafiascum learn these lessons in their first games, why should it be any different on Dart?
I respect that you're doing this with a bigger picture in mind. Personally, I'm just thinking about how this game is going to play out, and I don't want to overcomplicate it by adding more fake claims. I suspect they won't go over well, but I concede your point that it teaches lessons for other games. I've certainly learned from my own mistakes.
I'll work with whatever we end up doing at this stage. If that means mass claiming, then I'll do it, though I still believe it's a mistake for the purposes of this game.
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@Lunatic
In the case of those two characters I ecourage town to fake fake claim smartly.
I mean... do you trust that they will? If it's Evilgenius or Earth? I'm not trying to throw shade, but I'd actually prefer knowing who their actual characters are over forming wagons on town due to poorly executed fake claims.
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@Lunatic
Especially when it comes to themes that I know very well, I tend to favor mass claiming because I tend to get the most from theme analysis. That would probably be the case here as well if I didn't notice two missing characters on the list that will most definitely give away their roles:
Nurse Joy
Officer Jenny
I don't think I need to explain what roles these characters are likely to have, or why it's important to keep them under wraps for the time being. Especially if we're buying the Professor Oak claim, we already have someone with a target on their back and we do not know how many protective roles we have. It would be one thing if we already had one of these character claims or if we were down to a small enough number of unclaimed people that we could already guess who was who, but I'm personally not on board with outing two of the most important PRs in this game.
I'm satisfied with the number of claims we have.
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@oromagi
How do you like Professor Oak as a character claim for an ENABLER?
I’m of two minds about the claim. On the level of whether the role fits the character, it does. Professor Oak supplies Ash with his Pokédex, his Pikachu, and a lot of information and support throughout. That might indicate that the claim is real, but given the oddness of the Mewtwo claim, I’m not so sure that this fitting claim set makes that more likely.
On the level of how it works, this is very different from any Enabler I’ve seen before. I’ve only ever seen this done when an Enabler was tied to a role, which could affect multiple players. It’s odd to see it be character-specific, even if it is fitting that it’s these two characters. I was certain that Ash would be in this game with Professor Oak.
Ash could also be a Mafia ROLEBLOCKER for all we know. If bron is being forthright here and Ash is TOWN, then he is by far the number one target for NK, right now.
I suppose it’s possible. The Fairy Tail game that Supa put together a while back had the MC as scum, which I never would have guessed going in, though I’d be inclined against believing that here. And yeah, I agree that drlebronski has put a target on his back if he’s town. If it was anyone else, I’d say it’s sus that he full claimed after 3 votes, but I don’t know if that’s the case with him.
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@ILikePie5
Help me pressure Earth
Unvote
VTL Earth
Frankly, given how his lack of reading comprehension has hurt us in past games, I'm just hoping that this doesn't result in him backtracking again.
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@Wylted
It being a policy lynch, is only partially because nobody should SOP claim it. It should be an SOP lynch on dp1 though. Miller claims in later DPs should only be done when aided by behavior analysis.
Again, this seems like more of a disagreement with the standard than with Disc's choice to claim. I haven't been the Miller before and thus I've never gotten the opportunity to decide for myself, but Disc is just following the standard here. I don't think that necessitates an SOP lynch.
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@ILikePie5
I’d have to disagree. A policy lynch on Disc assuming no alternatives is the best position here. Mods do give Miller as a fake claim. Don’t know if Poly would but better safe than sorry. His role has no use to us anyways + it helps POE and doesn’t create a headache at MYLO or LYLO like Wylted said.
In the unlikely event that there is absolutely no one else that strikes up suspicion (and from the looks of things, there are others), I agree that there's valid reason to select him over a bunch of unknowns. That doesn't so much make him the policy lynch as just recognition that his role is both not helpful to town and a potential fake claim.
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@oromagi
My vote's on drlebronski. Been there since the start of the DP.
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@Wylted
Yeah, I'm not particularly on board with this logic for lynching Disc. Whatever your role indicates, and I'm not sure what that is, the Miller is an SOP claim by common practice. You can disagree with that practice, but lynching him over it just seems like reaching to me.
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@Earth
Yes and no. He speaks telepathically, but as far as I know, he can't actually "say" words in a physical sense. To my recollection, Team Rocket's Meowth is the only one from this season that can speak normally.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Hmmm, that's an interesting one. I'd like to know the justification for that because Mewtwo is straight up a villain throughout almost all of the first movie, even if he has a tragic backstory, so labelling him the Miller seems a little off to me. Wouldn't be surprised that we have a Miller, given that we almost certainly have a Cop, but Mewtwo being the Miller is a little strange. I wouldn't be surprised if some people had Pokémon as their characters, despite the fact that we only have a soft-claimed human as a character so far.
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@Evilgenius
Do you have experience playing mafia? Know anything about the theme for this game?
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@Evilgenius
Hey. I see you're new to the site. Welcome! And thanks for joining the game.
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@Lunatic
I'd Like to think I am pretty familiar with pokemon, at least the first few generations. I think black/white was the last game I played. Watched a bit of the show back in the late 90's.
I don't even go that far out. Basically got to the second generation with Silver/Gold and stopped there, but I was a big fan up through then and I watched the anime up to a point.
Assuming this is a pretty straightforward game, team rocket (Jesse and James) or Giovonni are probably scum. Given this is Poly's first game I am not expecting some crazy thematic twist.
I'd say that's most likely. I've thought through a few other plausible, though less obvious, scenarios. We could be dealing with a main cast vs. rivals situation (there are at least a couple of main rivals, including Gary Oak, who you've already pointed out), trainers vs. parents/professors (a bit more of a stretch, but this would be with Prof. Oak and Ash's mother as scum), or main cast vs. active gym leaders (Misty and Brock would be town, Lt. Surge and Blaine would be scum). Everyone vs. the Team Rocket organization still makes the most sense, but I'd consider these as well.
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Yo. Time to be the very best like no one ever was (yes, I was a major Pokémon fanboy back in the day, right up there with Yu-Gi-Oh). It all starts with posting in DP1.
VTL drlebronski
Good to see you back in the game, dude! How have you been?
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/in, don’t know anything about the Indigo League.
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@Polyglot
Yeah, you panicked in more ways than one, but that was easily the most obvious. I'm not one to talk because I've had some pretty terrible claims as scum, though this was pretty bad.
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@Earth
Maybe a JOAT with RB, Strongman, Rolecop would work for mafia.
Could see that working.
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@Earth
If Poly hadn’t made himself obvious, I think this would have come down to how well I picked my targets. That’s fine, especially considering that scum didn’t have that much to work with themselves. I would agree with you that I’d convert the strong BG into a Doc or a JK, something that could provide consistent protection and not result in a successful NK, with the JK providing some added utility. The DP3 Innocent Child didn’t seem particularly important, though that may have depended on who got it and how they behaved.
Apart from that, I don’t know if I would have gone with the Role Cop, doesn’t help scum out much. Might give them an RB instead or a redirect.
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@Earth
Yeah, I thought to do some theme analysis later in, but by then I had much more solid info to go off of.
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@Vader
Yeah, Poly just generally screwed you over. I’ve never seen so many red flags from a single player in a game before. The fact that he was effectively flying solo throughout makes sense, there was no way you would have suggested claiming an Actor role.
To your credit, I didn’t start sussing you until DP3, and then only lightly. It was largely between you and Pie up until this DP.
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