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I don't think you quite understand how the "Church" acquired it's wealth....There's nothing squeaky clean about the Church.

And there's nothing consensual about brainwashing children with religious non-sense.

And for example, there was nothing consensual about incarcerating unmarried mothers in brutal Roman Catholic sweat shops.

Over here in the U.K. the workhouse was abolished a long time ago........We sort of evolved into a more caring society.

So it's sad to see that certain sectors of U.S. society haven't evolved with the same level of social concern (morality).

I would suggest that if there is one good thing about moderate governance, it's that it freed us from RELIGIOUS TYRANNY.

No, I'm being ironic.

Eliminating welfare is just fine, until you find yourself in need of welfare.

Nonetheless.....One assumes that welfare evolved because human social morality and ethics evolved.

That is to say that we became more considerate as a species.

Though true.......We certainly  haven't all evolved at the same rate.

Perhaps if people on welfare weren't allowed to vote.......How would that work for you?

They are both similar and different.

We know that.

Largely similar,

But subtly different.

The necessities of human procreation,

As it were.

We know that.

But we make up all sorts of other stuff too.

Hmmmmmm.

Roman Catholic schools........The 1960's......Sexually repressed Priests and Nuns. (The best in the World you would have me believe).

You're sailing close to the wind again Doc.

Safer to keep religion out of child development.

This is a reasonable statement.

Is it right or wrong to initiate a Universal sequence of events?

How would a GOD know?

Perhaps this is not the first time......So either, without consideration GOD hasn't bothered to modify things, or GOD has modified things, only with consideration for it's modifications but with disregard for the outcomes of it's modifications.

Of course we like to think that we are a special outcome and therefore should receive special consideration.

But we might just be one of many standard outcomes.

If only GOD wasn't incommunicado, we could just ask it.

So perhaps we do just make this stuff up.

Or perhaps GOD is amoral.

Come on Doc.

Who on Earth would bother to conduct such a deliberately shallow point scoring survey?

Come and join the Roman Catholics and enjoy the best sex in the World.....LOL.

Maybe it's the flagellation that makes it so good.

If you believe that sort of contrived misinformation Doc, you will believe anything.

GODS and Leprechauns for instance.

Have $10 each way on Freewheelin Dylan in the Aintree Grand National Doc.........Misinformation or not Doc?

Top of the morning to ya.

Obviously.

So you don't always agree with a lot of people, and a lot of people don't always agree with you.....Such is human society....Such is a State.

Of course it does.

But just different ones to yours.

Morality and coherent values can mean different things to different people........There is no universal or global set of standards.

"Testing" if you like.

And Qualia and ritual speak are derived  from internal data management.....And internal data management is a seemingly remarkable, electrochemical process.

The same as everything else.......You might feel the need to include a GOD in this process.....And I just see the need for a GOD, as being an inevitable part of this process.

So we acquire, create and transfer data relative to experience.....A. Creates an internal need for a GOD, and also creates an associated database......Z.  Doesn't create an internal need for a GOD, and creates an associated database.....Same electrochemical processing, slightly different conclusions reached. Output will obviously contrast, though neither is irrational in terms of process.....Both are Qualia.

Though neither proves or disproves the existence of an actual GOD.

And spirituality cannot be demonstrated to be more than an internal electro-chemical response to an external stimulus.

Well....... I think that you advocacy of unbiased social inclusion, is both admirable and liberal.

I share the same liberal principles of social inclusivity, but principles grounded in a knowledge acquired from a more moderate/realistic view of human nature.

In so much as the management of acquired data relative to any aspect of our social systems, is subject to an inevitable personal discriminatory process.

We perceive differences, we think, we make relative judgements, we conclude, we output or we store for later. 

Which is slow the Government or the Law.

I'm not sure about the U.S.....But here in the U.K. the Government is a separate institution to the Law.

So you want independent Police companies that are regulated by the Government of the day, voluntarily paid for by the people?

Now...I can see a plethora of problems with that system.....But let's just leave it there.

And I'm not sure that a murder victim is going to be calling anyone.....LOL

Even more obtuse.

So much so, that I've forgotten what we were discussing.

Have a nice day.

You have state Police regulated by government, rather than government police.

Government Police would be private Police. which would have to be replaced every 4 years. (Hopefully)

So if you have private Policing companies ....Would they be regulated or not?.....And if regulated, then by who?......And who awards the contracts.

And if not regulated, then what?.......Sounds like trouble to me.

And just maybe, the poor conviction rate is not the fault of poor Policing, but perhaps has something to do with the legal system and it's private practitioners.

How old are you then.....250?

And despite Independence, and depending upon where in time one chooses to stick ones pin....Then most or all of you are the descendants of immigrants.

Same as just about everywhere really.

Remember the past.....Forget the past.....Which ever suits the moment I suppose.

Depends upon how one chooses to define deportation.

If you just mean regularly sending the same people back across the Mexican border, then numbers will  be relative to how my times in a year someone can be bothered to try and cross.

It's probably a bit of a game for some.

You over-egged the custard there Mr S.

In essence a republic and a democracy can be regarded as one and the same.

Both are systems of government by the population, based upon the principle of elected representatives and leadership.

Of course, sometimes these labels and principles are inappropriately applied or subverted.

An obtuse response if ever I read one.

Once again you have changed the original hypothesis and created your own......So let's forget about that.

And you like to think and say that you don't make discriminatory judgements......But you do......All the time.....It's a normal function.

And you're typically pigeonholing racism as a Black and White issue.....It could just as easily be a White and White issue or a Black and Black issue etc etc.

And in my line of work I meet people of all hues and sub cultures.....And although like you, I instantly make an internal discriminatory judgement.....I will always treat everyone with the same level of respect.

And it's good to know that you behave in the same way.

As for ideological persuasion....I prefer to be  non-labelist.....But for the sake of this discussion, I would prefer to be regarded as a moderate realist.

And if anyone is professing liberalism here....It's you.

Qualia was your choice of word.....A bit of data output derived of human processes and function.......In the same way that  meaning and spiritual are derived.

Qualia has a very simple definition which aptly exemplifies the process of data acquisition and management.

And for sure, quite an amazing process, but that's just the way things have evolved.

Reading more into it, is no more than the same process though.

In my opinion.

You will have your opinion.....Which in my opinion is also no more  than the same process.

My hypothesis was specific......And I would strongly suggest that the young respectable white guy would naturally lean towards the white neighbourhood. 

Your own social circumstances are not necessarily relevant to the hypothesis, as other considerations such as affordability and social conditioning would need to be considered.

And I would certainly consider the make up of my neighbours....As would you in a nanosecond, almost without thinking.....There's no avoiding obvious differences.

Racism as popularly defined, is not about perception but about subsequent behaviour relative to perception.

There is really only one culture....Human culture.

And obviously, all aspects of human evolution have given rise to todays culture...I'm not disputing that.

Though at a base level we are still the same basic organisms, which can only be split into three main groups relative to acquired sexuality...1. Male, sperm producer....2. Female, egg producer.......3. Non-Typical Dysfunctional.

My argument is, do transgenders actually belong in categories 1 and 2...... Or in category 3.

So if physical attributes dictate that a person is distinctly 1 or 2, then one can rightly question, wherein does the psychology of transgenderism arise.

Inherent data transfer or acquired data?

Maybe there are environmental implications?

I honestly don't now, and I also think that you don't know.....Perhaps you just toe a popular politically correct line?

What say you?

They deny the necessity of the State, they deny the necessity of taxation.

No State, no taxation, and now only laws that suit them. (Any law is relevant to the State anyway, something of a contradiction  there).

So what's the alternative?

Yep as I continually state.

Apart from the rare physiological anomalies, everyone else falls into one of two categories.....Egg producer or sperm producer.

Modern definitions of gender have arisen from the human relationship and recreational sex culture.

Though 2% means that approximately 158.000.000  humans are intersex, which I would suggest is perhaps not accurate.

Similar, but not quite the same definition as I just read.

Which implies it's own set of moral principles and coherent values.

Everyone participates in a collective, no matter how remote one places oneself.

And I would suggest that you "involuntarily participate" when it doesn't suit you, and actively participate when it does suit you.

And taxation probably suits no one, but we all reap and expect the rewards of taxation.

Or are you another anarchic, hunter gathering hermit?

The State is a collection of people of which you are one.

Whether or not you choose to actively participate in the management of the State, is up to you.

You know the difference and you don't hate people for it.....Good....Me too.

Though I'm not sure if I hate anyone...Hate is a very powerful emotion, but the word hate is used very cheaply.

Most active racism is just a strongly conditioned aversion relative to perceivable difference.

I'm referring to a more passive, inherent form of racism and discrimination, that inevitably set's you apart from others that you perceive to be different.

So let's say that a young respectable "white" guy was offered a choice between two smart apartments, would he choose the one in the "white" neighbourhood, or the one in the Chinese neighbourhood.

Is this a festering wound or something?

I expect that most members had forgotten that we actually had a President.

As for the pre-election social parody......History RM....History.

By telling  Father Ted and Bishop Len Brennan that they must be celibate.

As I stated, most practising Catholics are only practising Catholics when they are practising.

Of course some do take it very seriously.

Such is the variability of  human nature, in it's response to institutional oppression.

Did you conduct a survey Doc?

Seems a bit Arbitrary to me.

Nonetheless.....I hope that you are well Doc.

Internal processes are meaning, but if you seek some secondary meaning, then internal processes can provide meaning....So refer to it as spiritual.

Internal processes are qualia, or provide qualia..

And your prerogative too, (if you're a pudding man).....One thinks therefore the pudding is.

I've never disagreed.

In the spirit of discussion I simply make observations and put them forward for discussion.

Such is Radical Socialism I suppose.

And the non-racist who doesn't care about African children, and  who cares not about innocence if it isn't cost effective?

Dog eat Dog I suppose!

The very fact that we are having this discussion tells me that you perceive difference.

So you will therefore inevitably discriminate. (Think difference)

Though this does not mean to say that you will be disrespectful.

Black haired and blond haired, see how you discriminated there.....Quite interestingly I might add......I've never really  thought of it as a hair issue.

And I've never mentioned fighting, as in physically fighting....Though I expect it does  occur in isolated situations.

Nonetheless, the ongoing race argument is a fight of sorts.....Just depends upon how one chooses to define the word fight.

An inherent internal discriminatory process, is a part of our survival mechanism.

See.....Hug, fight or run....We usually make the decision in a nanosecond.

And the other guy with the darker/lighter sin and the blue hair does exactly the same.

 

OK...So you are a non-voting, anarchic hermit.

@Poly

Interestingly there is very little difference between regional Jews and regional Muslims.....Effectively the same people, just brainwashed with different guff.

And GOD the concept is a GOD or 7.9 billion GODS.....It makes no difference.

Life on Earth is theatre....And acting our parts provides us all with meaning.

But do you think that anything is watching?

What is "The State"?

A lot of people around here often refer to "The State" as if it's something that they are completely separate from.

Meaning is relative to data acquisition, storage and management.....Cognition produces meaning.

Meaning is also transferred within inherited data....Instinct.

Nihilism is something of a theistic strawman word.

Murderers produce there own interpretation of meaning, as do thieves.

And communism is a philosophers pipe dream.

And the socio-political guff we readily bandy about here on dart is no more or less derived meaning within the same context.

Passes the time of day as it were.

To assume a greater purpose, is just that, and is no more or less derived meaning within the same context.

And as I will reiterate...Whether or not there is a greater purpose relative to life on Earth, no one knows.

To consider this conundrum, is as meaningful as anything else, despite what a theistic strawman might proclaim.

What say you.

Usually says on the Birth Certificate.....Which is generally in the first place.

Why do we record things?

Because recording things is what sets us apart from every other species, allowing us to do all manner of stuff, whilst everything else just eats and f**ks and eats.

Do you think that you are not the State?

There is a religious box.

And then there are atheists who think outside that box and easily reconcile stuff.

Pre surgery and medical intervention, 35 was about ones limit anyway.

Nonetheless, potential is acquired at birth.

And I did say, notwithstanding physiological anomalies.

Egg producer, sperm producer = procreative potential.

But when it comes to recreational sex....Well.......Bob's your Uncle and Fanny's your Aunty or Bob's your Aunty and Fanny's your Uncle.

Though  the balls and dick usually produces the sperm. 

And the intended sperm receptacle usually gives access to the ovaries.

Though other receptacles are available.

And some people do have a penchant for the unusual....Which is readily catered for these days.

We attain a position within society and bide our time until we die.

We may or may not produce progeny, who may do the same and then bide their time until they die

And so on.

Now, whether any of this has any greater purpose, no one knows.

What do you think? 

Realistic response no problem Trade.....Refer to it as wooden if you must.

And there are no recordings of Jesus's words.....Just after the event hand me down tales, recorded by those that possessed the ability to do so.....In their own words.

Translated and reworked many times since, by other literary scholars in their own words.....And so on.

And now it's your turn to reinterpret things.

No problem.....If it makes you happy, then I'm happy. 

Wherein lies the potential.

I suppose that having ones balls removed has been an option for quite a awhile.

Ovary removal is a more recent option though.

Surgical contrivances maketh the person these days then?

Yep....An evolved possibility.....One cannot argue, that evolution is not normal.

For sure the Lizard being out of place and out of time gets my sympathy too.

And yes....... The vagaries of time and ooze.

And a good job I looked him up, because I assumed that Lin Wood was a girl.

And Sacha Baron Cohen for President .....If it's good enough for the Orange Clown, then it's good enough for Sacha.

Flash....Tough on grime.....9 out of 11 cats preferred it.

Like I said....Giuliani does leak.

Little Timmy and Little Lucy and Uncle Bob and Aunt Fanny.

What do you call them?

Giuliani is a cosmic lizard.

The black blood seeping out of it's  head in the parking lot was a dead give away.

Notwithstanding rare physiological anomalies, there are just two sexes.

The egg producer and the sperm producer.

Everything else is just a mish mash of ideas based around recreational sex  and associated surgical/ medical possibilities.

But whatever it takes to float ones boat, is fine by me.

Population 7.9 billion and counting, so nothing to worry about.

Humans don't talk like what?.....Aliens?

And Mattgaetzquertermous, or Matzermous as it's known throughout the universe........Is a renowned cosmic polyglot, for sure.

But too much time spent in the Beamatron imbibing alcohol with intergalactic nymphets, has exposed it's prosthetic head.

I'm not making this up.