zedvictor4

Trust no one.

Sound advice.

Though I would suggest that there is a distinction to be made between absolute trust and working/temporary trust.

I think that there are lots and lots of animal lovers who would disagree with you.

And please, no animal lover jokes.

Perhaps the precursor should be: (If I understand the proposition correctly)

The primary claim must first be scientifically proven.

That's assuming:

A. is claiming and B. is attacking and you are resting the burden of proof upon B's shoulders.

Though from your statement it's not easy to make out, who is making  what/which claim, and who should be substantiating what/which claim.

Or is this just a roundabout way of saying :

If T claims G then A must disprove G.

Testosterone certainly causes men to do silly things.

One side effect overlooked by the infallible creator perhaps........Or perhaps not. 

People love a good lap top scandal.

Have you never swatted a bug?

Older culture blacks....Hmmmmmm.

Older culture will learn from newer culture as newer culture will learn from older culture......Applies to all skin tone and ethnic variation.

And given the immediacy of technological info, it's unlikely that there will be many "older culture" still in the dark. (Pardon the expression).

And generations do not hang about for hundreds of years anyway......Silver surfing and all that......Most are up to speed.

My 86 year old Mother in Law is suitably techno literate.

Excluding the outcomes of imagination and hypothesis.....(Basically the same I know)......And working upon the premise, that a material reality is in fact real.

Then what is UNREAL LIFE?

As I keep telling you, Biden is in office because good ole Americans preferred the old guy to the orange guy.

And HUNTERLAPTOP is a media inspired  STRAWMANFALLACYCONCEPT.

Have a nice day y'all.

Basically, into three separate lists....Which can then be sub-categorized, because we're good at that.

Rather than.......Basically into two separate lists, which are then sub-categorized, causing much confusion....Because we are good at that too..

Yep for sure....Sundried tortoises are an external assumption.

And one doubts the efficacy of the crispy crunchy outer coating.

Better to evolve and absorb nutrients.

Good....Rarely do discussions boil down to a general agreement.

Regards.

Zed.

Primarily genetics and hormones...And attitudes and ideas.

So genetic inheritance coupled with acquired information.

I couldn't disagree....As I don't know if a loathing gene as ever been identified.

And hormonal effects, not necessarily inherent, but maybe also environmental....I can also run with that idea.

I have often suggested that environmental factors might influence the current era of trans-trending.

Well, given the subject matter, I clearly wasn't referring to baked beans and sausages was I?

Loathing....From where does loathing emanate?....Genes or conditioning.

People justify all sorts of stuff.

In a capitalist society why is $44 billion dollars considered a failure.

F**k political ideology and the Orange Guy.

Naught is lost or created.

Is it possible to lose nothing?....If there is nothing to lose....One tends to lose something.

And is is possible to create nothing?....As one would expect an outcome from creation.

When the other persons argument is reduced to shouting "Strawman".

That's the time to give up.

I would suggest that our sensory ability allows us to perceive which provides the basis of imagination.

Or are you suggesting that external reality is merely a concept?.....Not that I would whole heartedly disagree.

As all incoming is converted to basically the same......Though I still think that there is a distinction to be made.

I would further suggest that metaphysical objectivity is a contradiction of terms....In terms of, when is a thought process not a thought process?

And thought processes can be regarded as practical or not, in so much as they can provide satisfaction, without necessarily needing to provide a realistic outcome.

Fair enough.

Inherent as opposed to acquired.

I'm surprised by your confusion.

You are describing developmental anomalies, that fall outside the general classifications of male and female.

There are approximately 140 million new organisms produced annually.

Therefore a certain amount of  developmental anomalies relating to gender are to be expected. 

Just as there will be other types of developmental anomalies.

As described above. The male/man produces sperm and the female/woman produces ova.

How are you using the word corollary?

All people will age, that is inherent programming.

Awareness of and consequent concerns and responses  relating to aging. Are relative to inherent mortal awareness and acquired social expectations.

Therefore as R.M points out....If you are drawing comparisons between the issues of aging and transgenderism, you may well be shooting the pro-trans argument in the foot slightly.

That is to say........One is aware of aging, so one chooses to address the effects of aging.

                                     One  is aware of gender dysphoria, so one chooses to address  the effects of gender dysphoria.

Therefore.............One is also aware of gender, and chooses to address the effects of gender.

Yep...I think that we loosely agree too.

Yep...I suppose that's loosely my understanding of the GOD principle too.

Nothing as specific as Man type thing that sets fire to bushes.

I wasn't comparing them at all....That was just a plea to the emotions on your part.

I was just pointing out how we selectively apply moral principles in order to either justify or vilify.

 

Is loathing an inherent function or an acquired concept?

A very simple question.

I do take this seriously.

We have two unanswerable options which I  do not regard as a paradox.

We have had two unanswerable options for "centuries".

And the application of thought (philosophy) has pondered such unanswerable options for "centuries".....To no avail.

Therefore are Pruss and Koon just pointlessly p*****G into the same wind, basically for their own sakes and the sake of Academic Philosophy?

Though as I see it, the two unanswerable options are ultimately one unanswerable question.

Out of which two schools of thought have arisen.

So what is your personal hypothesis?

Or are you just here to extol the virtues of Pruss, Koon et al?

And it you think about it, your current situation, throws up two similar options, which your Doctor refers to as likelihood.

Though unfortunately the question isn't unanswerable, and your Doctor doesn't benefit from Pruss and Koons Infinite/finite safety in abstract thought.

I wish you all the best.  

Regards Zed.

Any combination of data sequencing relative to anything, is possible.

And:

Hmmmmmmmmm.......How does this work?

And:

Do you think that "loathing" is an inherent function or an acquired concept?

Greyparrot displays resentment in their rhetoric.

And a Tax Office is staffed and managed by a hierarchy of individuals who fulfil a role relative to their ability.

Though "Tax Offices" are only one basic administrative part of a greater organisation that manages and maintains Statehood.

And you attempted to elevate the emotive argument with the inclusion of the word "superior" thereby implying the word inferior.

Though superiority does accurately represent the ascending scale of social hierarchy and ability, it nonetheless is not demonstrably accurate to suggest that there is an alternative "breed of men".

And you ignored everything else.

Who's flapping?

Causal finitism is a very simple concept, that doesn't require paper passers or grim reapers.

So in your own words, what do Koon, Pruss et al, set out to prove with their word games?

I'm surprised at you. Paedophiles do not choose their sexuality as assigned at birth, so they have no control over whether or not they agree with that decision.

Exactly the same argument based upon supposition relative to social and political acceptability.

Though most people would disagree, simple relative to current social and political acceptability.

None of which, in any way alters the fact that to transition is a choice between transitioning or not.

And I could soon compile an extensive list of similarly controversial examples, whereby one could absolve people of their social sins, simply by applying your emotive argument.....They were born like that, therefore it was not their decision.

No one chooses to be born.....One just has to live with it, commit suicide, or wreak vengeance upon ones parents........Choices Choices Choices.

@ebuc

In fairness, it is often very difficult to formulate a valid response to some of your ideas (see above). Ideas that you propose are valid, but ideas that cannot be readily verified.

@ebuc, ADreamOfLiberty.

And ego abounds within this discussion format.

And ego is very much a two way transaction.

Not a criticism, just an observation based upon the above data transaction.

You're conflating the issues of the necessity of government, and the status and behaviour of individuals within the social hierarchy.

Remove one "greedy" government, and as sure as eggs is eggs you will replace it with another "greedy" government.

As the saying goes, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The difference being that you can freely  make the comments that you do, and criticize your government as you do.

The reality is that you achieve relative to your ability, and are resentful of those who possess a greater ability to achieve more than you.

Better to find and be content with your social niche.

But in fairness, it did take me a while to come to, and be satisfied with this conclusion.

I blame testosterone.

My apologies for the initial oversight.

Well, imagination is the internal development or modification of data, that produces a wholly internal conclusion, which may or may not have the intention of being factually representative of an assumed external reality.

So for sure,  that process might or might not reach a reasonable or factual conclusion.....Depending, I would suggest, to a greater extent upon the veracity of the primary data. 

Though we do have a tendency to incorrectly attribute the word Imagination with a more fanciful,  mystical quality.

Which I would suggest is perhaps why you misinterpret my references to imagination.

Not suggesting that you are being fanciful.

But that my observations relate only to cognitive processes......In so much as we are always prisoners of our brain and it's function.

Poly is undoubtedly imaginative, in respect of GOD and GODS.

And anyway, GOD/S currently can only be satisfactorily accounted for as imaginative concepts.

No one can actually prove the existence of an external entity that is separate from the universe.

And I think that we have a basic understanding when it comes to the concept of love.

Notwithstanding that you've changed your mind again, and blamed me for doing so.

The unanswerable conundrum is simple......Given the limitations of knowledge, it is seemingly impossible for either the existence or non-existence of STUFF.

Therefore "academia" is reduced to floundering in the universal abyss postulating GUFF.

Causal finitism basically addresses one alternative......STUFF had a definitive beginning.....Therefore something from nothing in respect of the appearance of matter.

Now can you explain this without resorting to imaginary and incredible scenarios. 

Otherwise it's just another GOD principle that neglects to account for the GOD principle. 

As RM says.

Trans is definitely a choice, based upon acquired knowledge.

Whether or not associated dysphoria isn't a choice based upon acquired knowledge, is the real issue.

Philosophy interests me greatly.

But I'm not necessarily seduced by a name.

And the first six words of your initial statement asked a question which wasn't relevant to the discussion.....Odd.

Enough said.

As far as I am concerned, the non-seriousness of this communication medium, simply dictates that it's best not to say any thing too stupid that can be deemed to be offensive.

Nonetheless:

So we introduce moderators to moderate the moderators etc?

Ultimately someone has to make a decision....Otherwise the anarchy of over-moderation ensues.

Martydome......Tomato sauce.

Martychot......Canned chopped tomatoes.

MartyFeldman......Bulgy eyed, but deceased actor.

MartyRobbins......Big moustache, died 6 days after MartyFeldman.

Martysphere......Notwithstanding plum tomatoes.

Martyovoid......Plum tomato.

Cheeseandmartysarnie.........Cheese and tomato sandwich.

Cannedfisintomatosauce........Exactly what it says on the tin.

Historicalfactofmarty..........Throwing tomatoes at people.

Don't quite see the need for serious pseudo political parodying.

Simply as an exercise in political parodying, then just fine. 

Have a nice day y'all.

Just read about you amigo.

And if you're 15 you are a parody.

And if you're 25 there's perhaps still hope.

And if you're 45 then then you will probably remain a contradiction.

Enjoy the sun whilst it shines.

What is the past?....Save for an idea and an infinite/finite possibility relative to an idea.

Which objects, what objects?....Why the necessity for objects?

And if Pruss, Koon and Lindford get paid for churning out pointless guff, then good on them....Because some fools must be paying them to do so.

I never said anything about wealth inequality. Though this will occur as a consequence of inherent inequality.

And no, inherent behaviour hasn't changed (as I stated).....Therefore society may have modified relative to social and technological development, but the social system has nonetheless stayed the same.....As I also stated, change the human, then change the system.

And what sort of anarchic dystopia do you live in?....And how will a new currency variant make any difference?

And objectivity is either perfect or not.....Though I do not accept the concept of objectivity....All internal data processing is unavoidably subjective, irrespective of the veracity of anything that may be  output as a consequence.

And I do not see the relevance of your final comments.....I have a niche within a system, a niche that costs me X to maintain.....Why would I give you anything, when you do not provide me with anything.

And look around and also look in the history books, where you will see that all attempts at pseudo Marxist utopian societies, all became an alternative nightmare for someone........Slaves will never be paid the same as Lords.

People choose to create disgust and offence, that's the undeniable sequence of data transfer, modification and response, and it is done for a specific reason.

Such behaviour has become a very powerful discriminatory counter-weapon.

Nigga Nigger, same difference, same Latin roots.

Call me whitey or alba....See if I care.

Sorry but your crypto-utopia is basically electronic Marxist hypocrisy, that just doesn't take into account inherent human behaviour and predictability.

Inherent inequality will exist whatever the currency.

So before you can successfully change the system, you will firstly need to change the human.

But who will do what for less in an equal system anyway.

And Brigands, Raiders, Nomads, Thieves, Cavalry and Parasites.......You've been watching far to many fantasy videos.

I can assure you that real life is nothing like that.....Well it certainly isn't where I come from.

You earn your money, pay your dues and hopefully lead a reasonably healthy and contented life.

Nowt as daft as folk, as they say up North.

And Vlad the Pute, gets thousands to offer themselves up for sacrifice.

As did Adolf the Hit get. 

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Planet Earth is the constant Human Marty Dome for sure.

Though I prefer to refer to it as the MARTYSPHERE.

Well, some would say improperly.

Odd that you should refer to it as proper use.

You spoke of origins and I informed you of the origins of the "N" word.

So, if one progresses through the subsequent  sequence of usage, it is just as likely that it's fall from grace was brought about not by the offender, but by the offended.

Like golliwog, never intended to be abusive.....Just representative of reality........But deemed abusive by the offended.....Which can just as rightly be regarded as racism.....Though popularly, racism for some only means a one way transaction.....Hypocrisy I would suggest.

Typically you have missed the point and flown off the emotive handle.....I was merely discussing origins, rather than music industry sub-culture.

And rape and BDSM have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the point I was making.....So if you wish to discuss context, then stay on track.

Overall production of what by whom?.....Have you plucked this idea out of a Marxist textbook.

And who currently steals what?

You seem to have an odd jaundiced idea of current society and it's machinations.....Assuming that a different currency system will somehow alter human behaviour and society  for the better.

The hierarchy of ability and consequent wealth disparity, is what get's things done....How do you think that this will be different?

You will just end up with different but the same, or the same but different.......With social infrastructure to pay for and bureaucratic administrators administrating, and you in prison if you refuse to pay your taxes.....Or you imprisoning others if they refuse to pay their taxes.

The reality was, that Marx was a hypocrite and communism was an unworkable pipedream.

Amazing shit.

Exactly my point really.

Currency is currency.

Though I think that you underestimate the social power of money.

Doesn't make any difference what the dominant  currency is....... Crypto or Dollars.

You've either got it or not.

And it's not going to appear in ones account  from nowhere.

And for sure, real value is in commodity.