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@IlDiavolo
If we don't understand the "problem" by now, then do you think we ever will?
Actually is there really a problem?
Human beings behave and interact just as they have always done...Selfishly.
Though through selfishness we are still able to achieve a collective intellectual and material state of progress.
I would suggest that in this respect, the existence of the individual is a universal nanosecond of either irrelevance or significance.
And banks, wealth and the associated quality of an individuals monetary and social status, is just a necessary facet of a planetary based evolutionary system.
On the other hand, if everything that we achieve here on planet Earth has no greater universal significance, then what's the "problem" if everything that we do is absolutely pointless.
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@Shila
Nope, the generational transfer of Christian data has stood the test of a few thousand years.
Prior to the book, there were millions of years of other versions of stood time testing.
Being stupidly clever is a prime example.
And we didn't stop being cleverly stupid once the book had been compiled...Far from it.
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@Lemming
Hmmmm
I cannot see a necessary connection between lax gun laws and freedom.
And from the safety of her ivory tower, Mrs Le Guin comments upon the stupidity of a turbulent, violence based 20th century.
In fact can you give me an example of a century of peace?
The 21st hasn't started very well.
The inanimate weapon will harm no one, but animate fools will.
And the biggest perpetrators of violence are not gangsters, but good ole everyday folk with a stupid agenda.
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@Mharman
Well, said rare events, though not the daily norm, are nonetheless not rare...(Depends upon how one chooses to define the word "rare", I suppose.)
And in the context of the USA, how do you control guns?
Simply passing laws, cannot suddenly bring under control a roughly estimated 500million firearms.
And "crime" is symptomatic of a society, so I would suggest that "gun control" is unlikely to affect criminal activity, either for better or worse.
But will simply compel the gun lobby to commission spurious studies, which result in skewed conclusions.
And I'm not sure what the the UK's approach to cyber crime has to do with US gun laws.
But fortunately the UK populace is not armed, save for highly regulated sporting guns.
Though for sure, if inconsiderate people see profit in selling guns to criminals, they will attempt to do so...Such careless greed is symptomatic of a selfish species.
And of course, everyone who transcends social laws, becomes a criminal...Such is the flimsy distinction between criminals and non-criminals. All of which combine to make up the populace.
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@Shila
The Bible is the only reliable book of moral righteousness.
Trouble is, with no way of verifying content, the very nature of it's development and construction, makes the Bible an unreliable source of information.
Making your statement somewhat contradictory.
Nonetheless,, if one does not need to provide definitive verification, then based upon your conclusion, one could place ones faith in any historical myth and consider it to be reliable.
I would therefore suggest that moral righteousness , is a variable human concept, but with a shared commonality, relative to an evolving intellectual species.
In the absence of knowledge, the need for a transcendental solution was clearly a necessity.
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@Shila
Where will one find the definitive book of moral righteousness?
And for sure BK makes sense...But not always sensibly.
But actually, where is the definitive book of all that is sensible?
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@Mharman
Gangs exist in most deprived urban centres.
And weapons exist because humans are not only clever, but also stupid.
And Americans are no more or less clever or stupid than anyone else.
And responsible gun owners are only responsible until such times as they are irresponsible.
And give their kids toys so that they can go play with their classmates.
And the massive US problem is the massive US problem, that the US massively created, and didn't just occur overnight.
Y'all to blame, not just the gangsters.
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@Best.Korea
Literally completely illiterate.
Not sure how completely illiterally literate any of this is.
Or any of that.
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@Shila
I suppose so.
In so much as the notion of intelligence is a construct thereof.
Perhaps AI will give it another name.
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@Shila
Hi Shila.
Well, my knowledge on the subject is limited.
I put together thoughts, derived from things that I read, and developments that arise as a result.
With hindsight, human experience tells us that we will always exceed expectation....So who knows what will be achieved in the future.
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@WyIted
For sure.
But isn't an armed populace defending against invasion, essentially a standing army?
And don't modern armed forces, need some sort of federal organisation?
Would you want nukes in the hands of a raggle-taggle bunch of gun toting, beer swilling hill billies?
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@Lemming
Maybe so.
Perhaps only a short term gain though, whilst whosoever is best able to maintain dominion over AI.
My musings tend to consider more, the longer term developments of an AI dominated world.
But let's be honest, younger generations of the human race are already slaves to technology.
In fact, if electronic technology was switched off tomorrow, human systems would come to a standstill.
Maybe eventually, AI will see little use for humans and decide to switch us off and shut us out of the loop.
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@WyIted
Globally, systems of social governance are dictatorships, more ore less tempered by the sensibilities of the populace.
Democracy is a system of social governance, wherein dictatorship is limited by the sensibilities of the populace.
Isn't the preservation of democracy, the purpose of the 2nd amendment?
I'm also not sure that there is any evidence to suggest that totalitarianism is reasonably defendable.
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@Lemming
Hmmmmmmmmm.
Hi Lemming.
In simple terms, a person is a person, whereas an AI device isn't a person.
So data management systems will inevitably be different.
Though intelligence is essentially the same.
And interface doesn't directly rely upon an organic energy source anyway.
Basically we all rely upon the same energy source.
For there to be the potential for self replication, determination and development, all that is required is the development of an intelligent and dexterous device.
And this is seemingly what humans are striving to achieve.
Which begs the question...Why do we strive to challenge our intellectual superiority?
If there were no greater purpose in doing so, wouldn't it be intellectually prudent to rest upon our laurels?
In the previous Universe, was GOD an organic device or an alternative?
Free floating, pre-programmed seeds of intelligence, in the newly emergent universal system, just waiting for a suitable place to germinate.
Just a thought.
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@Shila
AI relies on a different set of algorithms.
That maybe so.
Are you suggesting that this is a limiting factor?
But would this necessarily always be a limiting factor?
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@Lemming
Hi Lemming.
Isn't feeling just an electro-chemical process that we are subject to, and therefore process intellectually and consequently label as emotive.
A learned experience in other words...Though we also learn to think that it is more than what it is.
I don't see any reason why AI would not decide/learn to be similarly definitive. That is to say, differentiate between data groupings, relative to content, then subsequently label store and utilise them accordingly.
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@RemyBrown
Everything is emotional Remy.
Cause and effect.
Emotion and pragmatism are inextricably conjoined, by the nature of the processing unit and it's programming.
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@Shila
Yep, perhaps we should look to a consistent China, rather than a divided America.
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@Shila
Allowing AI to replace human intelligence seems counterproductive and counterintuitive.
Well, that would depend upon the greater purpose of intelligence I suppose...If there is such a thing of course.
If not, then it doesn't really matter.
And "allowing" doesn't really seem an option, I rather think that a greater non-human intelligence will just evolve.
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@Mharman
Yep.
Just depends upon how you care to look at it.
And just like me, your DNA is 100% Earthling.
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@RemyBrown
Remy.
A North American "Native", is anyone born on the land mass regarded as North America.
Even the first settlers of North America were originally immigrants.
So the US is a Nation of come, take and move on...As is just about everywhere, other than somewhere in Central Africa, perhaps.
Thoughts on human development and it's associated nationhood, just depend on where people choose to start the human evolutionary clock.
So the Cowboys started theirs a few hundred years ago.
And the Injuns started theirs considerably earlier.
And relative to their Earthling heritage, everyone is entitled to inhabit Planet Earth.
Because there is nowhere else to effing go.
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@Shila
Currently Shila, currently.
As I continue to point out, human intellectual development is 2 million or so years in the making.
AI less than 100 years.
Give it time.
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@Mharman
Hey, M'harman.
Y'all a nation of immigrants.
Whose 400 year old culture is founded on Europeans, Africans and anyone else who decided to rock up.
Currently headed by a Germano-Scottish President, married to a Slovenian.
And an Irish- Scottish Vice President, married to an Indian.
Stilton cheese...Yum Yum.
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@FLRW
@Sidewalker
Actually it represents creative and sexual energies.
Defo means SCROTAL and the One Eyed Python. Wink,wink,
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In the main where two of similar ability are debating, the outcome is not so much about content, but about who was paying attention at the time.
And let's be sensible, online debating isn't worth getting hung up about.
So just be happy that you've done your best job.
And let the numpties squabble.
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@Shila
Well, we have respect for decent Americans.
Decent people everywhere in fact.
But America is currently headed by a wannabee autocratic nut job, inspired by a Russian autocratic nut job, who together inspire others to behave like nut jobs.
So we now have to edge our bets in respect of European US cooperation.
Maybe we will now have to look to the far East.
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@Shila
Sadly, making the US a partner in the new axis of evil.
Don't think that was quite what David Frum meant.
Nor Dubya.
Nor decent Republicans, one hopes.
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@FLRW
I forgot that beach shot.
We look buff, do we not?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Deb, where you been?
Prison?
I was worried that we had lost the sane voice of Australia.
And I can't believe that you've never partaken of the female crack of doom.
Yum Yum.
Nor the trifle tower.
Is that one of those Aussie, Bruce versus food challenges.
One hour to eat a ten foot stack of jelly custard and cream, garnished with strawberries and white chocolate shavings.
Yum Yum.
And best wishes to Sheila.
I guess that she is your partner
And I also guess that your real name is Bruce, and that you wear budgie smugglers.
Perhaps I'm stereotyping.
Or fantasising.
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@Shila
Thankfully Mr Trump has reunited Europe.
So he has one good point.
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@Shila
@vi_777
Putin is a typical Russian autocrat.
Once upon a time, in the beginning, he was a reasonably affable global statesman, making jokes and messing around at the G20.
Now he has reverted to the default Russian megalomaniacal paranoid position...Someone who's been in the job for far too long.
In fairness, keeping a lid on Russia can't be easy especially for one old man. Whereas the Chinese regime has the job of keeping a lid on China well sorted.
And all that the rest of Europe can do for now is tolerate the guy. And wait for Russians to sort things out...Which is usually what happens.
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@Yassine
Hi Yas.
Well the human condition is such, that we acquire, process and utilise data, according to formative circumstances. (In the main).
No getting away from it.
But when all is said and done, the only difference between...a GOD exists...and...a GOD perhaps exists...is...perhaps.
Associated clothes, rituals, books and tolerance/intolerance, are largely the product of geo-cultural politics.
And the fools will out eventually...I'm guessing.
We will have to wait and see.
Well probably not you and I...I don't think that we last that long.
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Yep.
If folk want to be diverse equal and included. Then why do they, at the same time, continue to strive to be the opposite.
Well, there are reasons.
Just saying.
Is 40 days a sort of biblical style thing?
Are they metaphorically casting Target into the wilderness?
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@Dr.Franklin
Yep.
Americans coming to terms with the new World order.
We had a similar wake up call 50 or so years ago.
And once it was oil.
And now it's rare earth minerals.
Such is the necessity of material evolution...Or so it seems.
When GODDO dropped us of here, they must have known a thing or two.
If they're monitoring progress, they will currently be saying to each other...Ah, looks like they're now at the rare earth phase.
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@sadolite
Hey, Chill.
Freedom of choice allows you to ignore or respond.
You choose to respond.
Though do you really place so much importance on a low key discussion forum?
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@vi_777
Nope, I'm an old fart and not used to your text speak.
For example:
What I thot of cz yk time
I still haven't worked this out
And was just saying that cause and effect, is reasoning for a reason.
Rather than spontaneous bursts of unprovoked reasoning.
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@fauxlaw
The story.
Yep, the tale, the myth, the analogy...I wouldn't disagree.
Society began with the birth of a first child after Eden.
Yep they were so empowered by the big guys provision of endocrinal and reproductive systems... Why did he do that I wonder?
And not forgetting the people of Nod... It's nice to be blithe every now and then.
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@Shila
Which is a problem that arises when people split into separate people clubs, and certain clubs assume a superior status.
Us Brits and our empire built upon the industrial revolution became so deluded, for a while.
Of course it would be sensible as a species to all club together.
But we have other distractions to deal with, such as religion, ethnicity, culture and testosterone, to name but four.
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Yep, seems that un-Statesmen-like Statesmen, is the new US normal.
Looks like we have to ride it out for a while.
Probably best to ignore them.
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@Yassine
Oh well.
I could say the same about you Yas.
A necessary being, is a solely word based concept relative to the ongoing uncertainty of an unnecessary but seemingly necessary acceptance of a particular genre of unverifiable creation and existence theory.
Basically a GOD exists because it cannot not exist.
Though we can replace the word GOD with any other word/s.
How about cosmic super-banana?
Of course, The necessary being was inevitably regarded as "HIM", relative to our own predicament...
So, Mr Cosmic Super-Banana it is then.
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@fauxlaw
I wouldn't disagree with that Faux.
Though I think that the Adam and Eve story, was as much to do with developing social attitudes towards human sexuality, as it was about the early biological evolution of the species...Though I would suggest that that the two emerging social dilemmas were always going to be inextricably linked.
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@Stephen
Hi Stephen.
I think I have also said the same things many times.
In short, a naive and more fanciful interpretation of known facts, relative to intellectual and scientific development of the time.
Though, just as one would expect, the basic principle is reasonable.
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@Sidewalker
Well a slight contradiction there.
Because if in a literal translation is not always available, then the paraphraser/s have to "make up" an alternative.
But yes, otherwise, you perfectly substantiated the point I was trying to make.
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@Shila
Maybe.
But the Chinese are able to do things cheaply...Which is all to do with comparative National and sociological evolution.
Nonetheless, intellectual development is a global phenomenon,... It's just that currently, it comes cheaper in China.
But this didn't answer my question.
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@Dr.Franklin
Why is this a national issue?
Because a Nation is primarily a collection of people relative to a land mass, which includes women.
(In fact the USA, has a slightly greater female to male make up).
National Culture defines it's individuality, and culture evolves.
Therefore all aspects of both tradition and cultural evolution are relevant national issues, and have to be considered as such.
Things such as women's sport, or misogynistic theo-traditionalism.
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