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Eat sensibly exercise more. Simple.

Or just move more.

I think that people who do the new fat pill thing will just create another addiction.

It won't encourage them to lead healthier lives.

Same with the vape craze.

Just an alternative chemical addiction.

Sound.

Gotta stay active.

I was asking the questions within the context of Judean society 2000 Years ago, and not within the context of latter day mythology and theistic/deistic hypotheses.

When Joseph and Mary were just ordinary folk, and when Mary was pregnant out of wedlock, and the Father was not Joseph.

All this beatification stuff, went on a lot later, after the Christian myth had become established.

Well, I'm not sure that RM is a prime example of your run of the mill Catholic.

More of a newly newly converted, over zealous type Catholic.

All the Catholics I know, go to church occasionally and then come home again and would rather talk about the weather or football. (Soccer)

I asked you three simple, honest, non-blasphemic, questions, concerning social attitudes 2000 or so years ago.

Your inability to reply, therefore leads me to the following  conclusions:

A. You regard pregnancy outside marriage, as reasonable behaviour.

B. You regard cheating on a betrothed partner with stranger, as reasonable behaviour.

C. If your wife to be slept with another man and became pregnant, you would regard this as reasonable and forgivable behaviour.

Just seems like a whole lot of contradiction to me .

Hey it's all vanilla David.

Nope Ratman.

I am an agnostic atheist, and if this is a free thinking debate site, then you must accept the fact that I do not regard Middle Eastern folk tales in the same way that you do.

Though if you wish to turn this site into an autocratic theistic love club, then best of luck.

8 billion to one are long odds but worth a pound of any ones money.

Though oddly, these sort of things never make global headlines.

But can make a lot of money for the Roman Catholic Church.

And fraudulent hypochondria, is as difficult to diagnose as it's sudden recovery is.

And Roman Catholic doctors are likely to be a tad biased, as are their Roman Catholic patients.

Notwithstanding the power of positivity on physiological systems.

Nor what poor gullible people will do for money.

Or in fact, what not so poor people will do for more money.

You just replied.

And my comment, though somewhat satirical, was a perfectly reasonable interpretation of an old Jewish folk tale.

A young woman becomes pregnant after an illicit tryst with an unknown lothario.

The male  issue of said illicit tryst, after a brief spell as a carpentry apprentice to his stepdad, then decides to become a wandering story teller.

But doves and bows still elude me.

And blasphemy is the remit of the pious mind.

So pregnancy out of wedlock was not frowned upon back in the day?

Nor was  a young woman who cheated on her betrothed, regarded as more than promiscuous?

And would weak men who forgave adultery, not have been regarded as dopey?

Site has suddenly become very silly

I wonder why

I think I know

But bye bye.

Sun sits

Not sets

Earth spins

No regrets.

Thus far,

This thread,

Is intellectually deficient,

Notwithstanding your inflammation.

On which,

You should rub some ointment.

So the itinerant stepson of dopey Joe and his promiscuous flusey, turns into a ghostly but complicated dove and saves the world.

And bow.

What is bow?

Nope, cancer is just a physiological disorder.

And MANGOD is a sociological misunderstanding.

I would suggest that hormones are the physiological springboard that lead to hedonism.

A philosophical question for you:

What is the purpose of purpose?

Signing off now, so look forwards to reading your response tomorrow morning.

So we now have smelly debating, but I don't have the app.

And I don't drink spirits.

So I am virtuous in my abstinence.

And if there were a GOD, it would be most pleased.

But sadly we can only appease the wrath of immaturity, testosterone and fantasy.

Nihilism is the remit of the suicidal.

As you should be aware, I regularly promote a purposeful Universe.

But, a purposeful Universe that doesn't necessitate fancy gowns and pointy hats.

A few people dreamed up some ideas of Superman and sought to spread it around the World, and in doing so fucked up established cultures in order to establish a big new factionally integrated, fucked up culture.

I blame those that invented ships navigation and Superman.

What we need is a real Superman in a blue skinsuit and red underpants to descend from heaven, and tell us all to stop fucking about like idiots.

In a non-authoritarian  universal context, both good and evil are simply variable concepts relative to thinking blobs that inhabit a microscopic speck of cosmic dust that clings precariously to a mortal star.

So we know our preferences and are aware of our fears, but things don't always go as planned.

And when things go tits up, we shake our fists at the heavens and shout, EVIL BASTARDS!

But nothing is listening.

Adolph Hitler played a key role in defining the 20th Century.

And Nazis has a become a latter day misinterpretation, of a 1930's and 40's German political organisation.

From where do you get the authority, to erase a 100 years of recent history?

More theo-political ramblings Remy.

In so much as atheists are not stymied by oppressive religious indoctrination.

Whereby they can explore all avenues relating to creation and existence, including theism.

And for sure, none of which will impede material progress.

And perhaps some of which will be to a greater or lesser extent, politically affiliated...But we can also say the same about theists and pineapple farmers.

I expect that when a real AI takes over, it will be pragmatic.

Actually you don't.

Which is why Pink Unicorns exist on Plant Wooo.

As a fairy tale character in a mythical novel, the superhero can predestine whatever the author/s thought was appropriate to the plot.

Don't get what?

Your four simple words are neither concise nor succinct.

Prove it.

Probably not.

I for example were not not controlled by religious conditioning, therefore I am not theistic, nor am I deistic in a conventional sense.

I suppose that I am agnostic in so much as I hypothesise broadly about creation and existence...Therefore "GOD is spirit" is a reasonable analogical representation of creation and existence.

The Bible was written by Men, is an undeniable fact and does not require support.

As you said, "GOD is spirit".

And to suggest that biblical ideology and social control  have never been inextricably linked, is a tad naive to say the least.

And free will is always a moot point.

And perfection is not guaranteed by a ritual contract of marriage.

Good child care is guaranteed by good parents or guardians.

And for sure, I am well versed in British history.

In spite of the fact that ideology is a thought based activity.

One feels the need to point out that deistic theism is also ideological.

Perhaps it was a tad stupid to say that stupid people think ideologically.

Everything is essentially ideological...Even the way you put your socks on in the morning.

The one true GOD is the unthinking process, that pervades the entire Universe.

But during a very very very brief period of universal development, sentient and manipulative blobs of organic matter decided that it must be a bloke what did it.

And then they created AI.

And AI might come to a different conclusion.

There were no magical mystery men or Elephants BK.

Which isn't to say that there were not other sentient organic blobs.

But the likelihood is that they were also superseded by AI.

That's the thing with an unstoppable process of material development...GOD principle.

And BK and Zed were here and gone in a cosmic nanosecond.

Thank you.

Well I perhaps tried to be a slightly more diplomatic.

But the guy does have a certain propensity.

I neither criticise the person nor their ideology...They are perfectly entitled to freedom of thought.

I simply question their ability to MODERATE, given their current state of mind.

And if you are a MODERATOR, the above example of moderation was a tad immoderate to say the least.

And if a long standing site member's opinion does not matter, then things have already taken a dramatic downturn.

So we develop an idea, we make laws, and we either do or do not conform to those laws.

And perfect people become the saviours of humanity.

It's the way it goes.

Not sure that a pseudo-Trumpian, born again evangelist as moderator, is particularly conducive to the necessities of moderation.

I think that the clue is in the word MODERATE.

But hey, lets wait and see.

There are always other places to go, and other things to do.

Similarly, when ones identity primarily revolves around religion, things also get awkward.

We could say exactly the same about any other obsession.

For sure, you can think and say anything.

Proof is irrelevant.

Judaists, Islamists and Christians all adapt their idea of GOD from the same premise, so it's essentially the same idea and the same GOD.

The only difference is in the ritual.

Though no version is likely to be accurately representative of the truth surrounding creation and existence.

It was a joke.

Nope, you've decided to say that a GOD exists.

Which doesn't prove that a GOD actually exists.

Just substitute the word GOD with Pink Elephant ...Et voila, a Pink Elephant exists.

Some might construe laughing at ones own jokes as being a tad narcissistic.

But I wouldn't dream of doing so.

Trinity is three things, like plum crumble and custard.

Thing is though, you could always just have plums and custard, or add a scoop of ice cream.

Same with a holy trinity,  you could also have just a twosome or even a foursome.

The holy daughter for example...Though back in the day Middle Eastern folk were a tad misogynistic...Some still are.

I am a product of the Universe, wherein I continually promote the GOD principle.

Though the GOD principle is not a magical mystery man who was made up by ignorant folk in the Middle East a few thousand years.

I also promote the idea of a universal super-intelligence that instigated evolution on Planet Earth many billions of years ago.

Though a universal super-intelligence doesn't necessarily have a beard and wear sandals...But you never know.

Hey, maybe he was cruising past one day, got a bit horny, and found himself a cute Judean babe for the night.

I can also run with the idea of purposelessness.

I don't know the answer and neither do you or the Ratman.

Don't insult by quoting out of context.

Jealousy is what it is.

Every one is born with similar potential and opportunity. (Though I generalise with regard to "western" societies).

It's just that most people don't or can't realise their full economic potential, and then spend the rest of their lives running down and name calling  those that do.

As long as you have a roof over your head, a safe bed to sleep in and food on the table, then the 24 hours of a billionaires day is going to be pretty much the same as yours.

Wake up, eat, piss, shit, strive to do something then back to sleep again...And repeat...And then become decrepit and eventually die.

Excessive amounts of money in the bank, does not mean immortality, and neither does it guarantee contentment.

It just means you can buy all sorts of unnecessary gadgets to play with occasionally, and eventually get bored with.

Perhaps the Christians knew the Hindu GODS and got demonically led astray.

Or perhaps all religion is just superstitious bollocks.

I'm inclined to think the latter.

LOL

I sometimes wonder if BK drinks too much Holy Spirit.

And the more I hear from the born again Catholic and the reinvented Sungod, the more I'm inclined to think, that the pair of you are just having a laugh.

As I stated, it is not possible to insult an ideology.

It is only possible for religiously inspired people to create an internal idea of insult.

I create atheistic argument, and you create your own insult, because beguiled by the Ratman you have temporarily decided to go all pious on us.

Whereas yesterday you were a lie abed, polytheistic, casual chicken farmer, without a care in the World.

What will you be next BK?

Fundamentally it's all about  the survival of the fittest and the transfer of genetic information.

We dress it up as structured societies with rules and controls...Government as it were.

Money supply  is basically a system of control.

SO if metaphorically, A is fitter than B, then A is likely to accrue more money than B...It's the inevitability of intellectual inequality.

Which is why communism, although a good idea on paper, will never actually work in practice...Because A will always oppress B...And B will always be oppressible.

Discussions like this, tend to get hung up on the window dressing of intellectually advanced societies...And overlook the basic reality of the human condition.

In my opinion...(But nonetheless, viewed as a microcosm of Universal potential).

Some might argue that you are traumatised by religious and social oppression.

And that your arguments are therefore stereotypical misunderstandings of the lives of ordinary people from different cultures, with differing viewpoints.

For example, I referred to the unnecessity of contractual marriage and divorce, which you turned into the completely separate issue of child abuse.

Child abuse is just as likely to occur within a contractual marriage as it might within any other sort of family arrangement.

Marriage cannot alter the mindset of a bad parent/s.

Further:

So if GOD bestowed us with intellect, then why is it "rather unimportant"?

This seems like a massive contradiction.

Not that in anyway I run with archaic Middle Eastern MANGOD hypotheses.

Though I do see such archaic ideas as being analogically representative of a greater universal purpose, wherein intellect is key to material development.

Call it a GOD principle if you like, but don't confuse this with a magical mystery man with a beard and sandals.

And by the way, the Bible was written by men who sought the power and authority to control and dictate the lives of others.

MANGOD was just symbolically representative of a punishment that awaited those who digressed...Basically mind control...Just as yours is controlled by your religious conditioning.

Then why do you go on about it, instead of ignoring it?

What I write is a sincere assessment of what I see as theological non-sense.

There's no way that I can force you to take umbrage.