Naruto Mafia DP2

But if ragnar is scum, I would also so is pie.

because ragnar rb'd your nk (can rb'er do that?).

Im down for any question u throw at me i just want to get rid of the scum 

I'd say the scummiest person right now is MisterChris. He always flips on whichever side town is basically supporting. (agreed with me when town townread me, agreed with pattern when town townread pattern). Again, this is only a slight tell, and he is a newbie, so it might just be that.

Also, if this is about me saying we should investigate you, let me make it clear that I mean investigate. Not lynch. Truth is, I doubt you are scum. You've been too helpful in other areas. But there are admittedly some scummy tells to be found. 

Sorry, I think I misunderstand the question... "who are the other scum besides scum from your viewpoint?"

Can you elaborate a bit

Im really curious how Ragnar blocked a role that isn't blockable.

Yeah I mean, Pie has no night action right?

Signing off for the night, got class tomorrow 😬

RIP in peace

i don't really know if the that1 died from hiding behind mafia or because ragnar rb'd your nk (can rb'er do that?)

Im really curious how Ragnar blocked a role that isn't blockable.

What was your justification for Roleblocking me?

• A Weak Hider has two options:
  1) Hide behind the least likely town kill, becoming unkillable for that night and confirming that person as town.
  2) Hide behind the player most likely to be scum: and make no secret that if you end up dead, that is what likely happened during the night phase. This can effectively be a guilty on a player.
  As with all Weak roles, it is best to leave a breadcrumb so that if you die, players can in retrospect work out who you must have hidden behind.
• I am convinced that1user chose option #1 and was surprised to uncover SCUM.  I suspect that1user did bc but I am not convinced.
  
• That means that scum almost certainly attempted NK and failed.  There are multiple possible scenarios that might have caused that failure but Ragnar has presented a plausible scenario and nobody has presented any other alternative.  If somebody is BULLETPROOF, for example, that information would shift probabilities significantly.
  
• Pie has claimed SOLDIER, a role that is rare enough to not get mentioned on mafiascumwiki but with sufficient precedent to appear on drafterman's master list of roles.
  
• The one precedent we've uncovered so far was from a game run by Pie, so we know that Pie's consideration of the role precedes this game at least.
  
• If Pie were SCUM looking for a fake claim, we know that Pie was sufficiently familiar with the role to have considered the option
  
• And also, SOLDIER is conveniently untestable.
  
• If Pie were SCUM and did not have a visitation role, then claiming a non-visiting role like SOLDIER would be more likely and also make Pie a more likely selection for performing NKs.
  
• Furthermore, Pie made the case against Pie's utility and bandwagon'd as soon as I started that lynch.
  
• Furthermore, Pie has a self-admittedly scummy character claim and seems to be a principle, powerful enemy of Naruto's.
  
• For example, of the eight characters whose affiliation I am able to check so far, ONLY Pie's character was not a member of  the ALLIED SHINOBI FORCES coallition and was, I think, the main BOSS opposing that coalition.  I think this is a theme division worth testing.
  
• Pie's most powerful character doesn't match role.  As Pie admits, she is "arguably the most powerful character on the show"
  
• Pie's justification that if the BOSS villain survives, TOWN wins doesn't make sense.
  
• However, Speed & That1's justifications didn't make much sense.
  
• However, my justification is on point.
  
• ROLEBLOCKERs are at least as often SCUM as TOWN which makes Ragnar's claim perilous to make.  SCUM would have little motivation to make such a claim now.
  
• Ragnar's claim is reinforced by GP's track of Ragnar.  If Ragnar's RB was redirected, GP would have shown otherwise.  This improves GP's claim somewhat to the extent that GP's report seems accurate.
  
• Ragnar's role claim is consistent with Ragnar's character claim
  

• Furthermore, Pie made the case against Speed's utility and bandwagon'd as soon as I started that lynch.