HUMANS ARE NOT TRASH

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@3RU7AL

The Wikipedia definition should suffice:

Social equality is a state of affairs in which all people within a specific society have equal rights, liberties, and status, possibly including civil rights, freedom of speech, property rights, and equal access to certain social goods and social services.

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@Athias

Social equality is a state of affairs in which all people within a specific society have equal rights, liberties, and status, possibly including civil rights, freedom of speech, property rights,

ok, so, more specifically "social equality"

ANARCHY covers the first five sevenths or so of your preferred definition quite neatly

equal access to certain social goods and social services

this part is begging for slightly more specific definitions of the terms involved

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@3RU7AL

ok, so, more specifically "social equality"

ANARCHY covers the first five sevenths or so of your preferred definition quite neatly

Maybe three, perhaps four (I'm not entirely sure how the term, "status," is being applied.) I would also include "equality of opportunity" among my rejections, since that often comes up. But again, things like liberties, property rights etc are extensions of rationalizing the focus on the individual within a moral framework. One could argue that everyone is "equally" individual by definition, but that doesn't necessarily translate into anarchy's facilitating "equality" by facilitating the sovereignty of the individual.

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@Athias

think of "society" as a game

think of being born as the pre-game character roll

think of legal adulthood as the start of gameplay

with no inheritance

with no gifts

with no nepotism

your "resume" cannot include any of your private medical information (including what you look like naked and your genetic history and your chronology)

your "resume" can only be a demonstration of your skill specific to the job you're applying for

nobody wants to play a game that has loaded dice

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@3RU7AL

nobody wants to play a game that has loaded dice

The very essence of equality is loaded dice. Nothing is left to chance.

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@3RU7AL

I would suggest , that in terms of material evolution, the majority of humans are the biproduct of progress....Waste material....Trash.

Though, whilst human development still relies to some extent upon a random process of selection, then the masses will remain necessary.

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@Greyparrot

nobody wants to play a game that has loaded dice
The very essence of equality is loaded dice. Nothing is left to chance.

EQUALITY = PROVABLY FAIR

EQUALITY = NO "HEAD-STARTS"

NO GIFTS

NO INHERITANCE

NO NEPOTISM

NO CHEATING

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@zedvictor4

I would suggest , that in terms of material evolution, the majority of humans are the biproduct of progress....Waste material....Trash.

Though, whilst human development still relies to some extent upon a random process of selection, then the masses will remain necessary.

"live and let die"

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@3RU7AL

EQUALITY = PROVABLY FAIR

"Fair" is one of the most subjective terms in existence.

EQUALITY = NO "HEAD-STARTS"

so no affirmative action and everyone is genetically engineered at a lab at conception. what a dystopia.

NO GIFTS

You mean no bribes, right?

NO INHERITANCE

So no reason to work harder for society to make a better life for your kids, ok. Why even have kids at that point if you are not allowed to leave a legacy?

NO NEPOTISM

How about just getting rid of the offices politicians can appoint? Doesn't matter anyway, Hunter Biden proved America is incapable of holding nepotism accountable in the worst of cases.

NO CHEATING

So no ambitions to get ahead. Might as well move to Norway at this point and become mediocre like everyone else.

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@3RU7AL

When you were the one with the power - equality feels like oppression.

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Equality is the punishment for ambitious people and the reward for jealous people.

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@Greyparrot

EQUALITY = PROVABLY FAIR

"Fair" is one of the most subjective terms in existence.

PROVABLY FAIR = TRANSPARENT

What are provably fair games?

An online game can be considered provably fair if there is a mechanism in place, which allows the players to confirm the fairness of the game process.
The appearance of the ‘provably fair’ concept is closely related to the rise of online cryptocurrency gambling: casinos, lotteries and other online games that allow placing bets and receiving rewards in Bitcoins or altcoins.

They have started cropping up very soon after Bitcoin itself emerged, and one of the primary selling points of these games is their fairness. In legacy online gambling, the entire gaming process takes place behind-the-scenes and can be manipulated at will by the owners of the platform.
Conversely, one can’t trick a Blockchain, because all transactions are recorded on a public ledger - all ticket purchases and prize payouts are clear to see and can’t be faked. Moreover, with the advent of smart contract platforms, such as Ethereum, the entire game process can be governed strictly by program code, with no opportunity for human interference.

However, transactions are not everything there is to a casino or a lottery game, and some of the processes may still be hidden from a user’s eye. For example, the process of drawing the winning numbers in a lottery. Some platforms choose to reveal these details further and offer the players the necessary tools to confirm the fairness of all processes. This makes such platforms ‘provably fair.’

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@Greyparrot

Equality is the punishment for ambitious people and the reward for jealous people.

pLEASE eXPLAIN

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@Ramshutu

When you were the one with the power - equality feels like oppression.

pLEASE eXPLAIN

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@Greyparrot

NO INHERITANCE

So no reason to work harder for society to make a better life for your kids, ok. Why even have kids at that point if you are not allowed to leave a legacy?

MANY OF THE WORLD'S MOST SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN.

THIS SHATTERS YOUR RATHER FLIMSY PREMISE.

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO EARN THEIR OWN WEALTH.

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NO CHEATING

So no ambitions to get ahead. Might as well move to Norway at this point and become mediocre like everyone else.

I NEVER THOUGHT YOU'D BE THE ONE ARGUING IN FAVOR OF CHEATING.

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@Greyparrot

EQUALITY = NO "HEAD-STARTS"

so no affirmative action and everyone is genetically engineered at a lab at conception. what a dystopia.

DO YOU REALLY THINK SOME HUMANS ARE BORN INTRINSICALLY "BETTER" THAN OTHERS?

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Any man calling a woman who wants equality a feminazi hates women. Any woman who sits around talking about how men have oppressed her whole life hates men. Neither one represents their gender well. I've been happily married for over 20 years and have two cats. People should do what makes them happy and if you want your husband little feminine cuz your little masculine that's your choice. If you're what your husband to stay home and raise the kids while you work that's your choice. It never ceases to amaze me that the guys that scream the most about how they need to have their freedom and not be repressed will b**** about people having freedom and not being repressed.

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@3RU7AL

Imagine you’re a white male who is neither strong, nor adaptable, and is dependent on his current social status for his self worth, and his social status is mainly dependent on white males being afforded more opportunity on balance than everyone else.

Changes in the economy means that you have less job security; and you now have to work harder and do more to maintain your work based social status.

Women and minorities are now afforded more opportunities due to the realization that discrimination against those groups is bad, women do better, have more power; in both In the workplace and relationships - even the jokes you can tell in the workplace, now that you’re not telling them to an almost exclusive white male group - are under attack.

Now that your having to rise or fall based on your ability; instead of having an inbuilt advantage in the system; your unique social identity, from bread winner, to high flyer are under attack.

On top of that, these other groups that your own prejudice perceive as inferior are now becoming more successful, having their own power, and wanting different things from you, and being empowered enough to get them; add another element to it.

So, even though they still have an inherent advantage over the others: their unique power and advantage has been eroded over others, and that reduction in power through the empowerment of others is perceived as unfair.

In reality, all that’s happened is that the monopoly on power has been broken a little, and all the people who defined themselves by that monopoly are now left unable to deal or adapt.

All that’s left now is often an angry knee jerk reactions to anything closely related to the reduction on that monopoly, nostalgia for how good life was in that monopoly, or various forms of attack on breaking that monopoly, from hysteria to hyperbolae now that they’ve lost a big part of their identity.

We should really be working out how to build a new identity, rather than trying to return a system where the identity was inherently built upon discrimination of others.

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@Ramshutu

Changes in the economy means that you have less job security;

great points, eloquently stated.

however,

we're all going to be in-the-same-metaphorical-boat so to speak when GPT3 demolishes the labor market.

and it's not going to matter what color you are or which washroom you prefer to use or what country you happen to live in.

and as long as we're all squabbling amongst ourselves, fighting over bread-crumbs, the real thieves are sitting pretty.

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@3RU7AL

They said that about he Portsmouth block mills, the cotton Jenny and the computer.

They were right in that they all overturned the state of the conventional labour market.

However, they also opened up a their own huge labour markets in their own right.

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@Ramshutu

They said that about he Portsmouth block mills, the cotton Jenny and the computer.

They were right in that they all overturned the state of the conventional labour market.

However, they also opened up a their own huge labour markets in their own right.

automating manual labor opened up opportunities for intellectual labor.

automating intellectual labor will open up opportunities in WHAT EXACTLY??

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automating intellectual labor will open up opportunities in WHAT EXACTLY??

Pathays for humanity tto survive on Earth. Ex finding new ways to recycle humanities waste issues.

Pathways to have abundant energy for all with minimal pollutions ---bad stuff existent where it should not exist---,

Pathways to have teh basics of clean water, clean air, food shelter and from these we will find happiness in two ways;

1} the process of all for one-and-one-for-all encompassing survival on Earth with least amount of severe sufferring,

2} the basics are met ergo, humans are happy for that, and the process of how they went through to arrive at this basic needs met.

I'm remmineded of a strory I heard a younger man relate from his British father said about WW2. Even tho it was war and Britain was under attack, there was no social class system or what system there was, went out the window and all were equal in every-way in their desire to defeat the Nazis..

Spirit { motivation/quality } and soul { heart quanta }.

Competition to find the most effective and efficient ways forward is fine and dandy as it spurs each others ego { identity } to better the other. And credit needs to be given where credit is due. And to not dismiss 2nd and 3rd place as they are all in the spirit of human cooperative to succed in our existence on Earth.

So this above is one set of pathways forward. Others may lead to survival of some humans on Earth after year 2232, however, how much barbarism is engaged in, in that process forward on Earth, may scar those humans that still exist for many years foward in their evolutionary process.

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@3RU7AL

automating intellectual labor will open up opportunities in WHAT EXACTLY??

Transcendence from unequal biology.

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Transcendence from unequal biology.

who do you believe have a "genetic advantage" ?

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Others may lead to survival of some humans on Earth after year 2232, however, how much barbarism is engaged in, in that process forward on Earth, may scar those humans that still exist for many years foward in their evolutionary process.

100% LFTR

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