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@Savant
The sages have no constant mind

They take the mind of the people as their mind

Those who are good, I am good to them

Those who are not good, I am also good to them

Thus the virtue of goodness

Those who believe, I believe them

Those who do not believe, I also believe them

Thus the virtue of belief
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Nobody sensible is claiming there aren't combatants in the west bank either. Israel has nothing to gain by bombing true civilians.
Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Let's not pretend Hamas is any better.
let's make an attempt not to conflate
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Nobody sensible is claiming there aren't combatants in the west bank either. Israel has nothing to gain by bombing true civilians.
they obviously gain territory

which is how everyone keeps score
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The problem you highlight is well known. This is why uniforms existed in the first place and why the Geneva convention distinguishes between uniformed and nonuniform combatants.

The Geneva Conventions of 1949 apply to all signatory nations. They do not apply to any nation that has not signed the conventions. I cannot figure out the one nation that has not signed them as they have been signed by 194 nations of the 195 in the UN. It is not a major power - that much I have figured out.

They do not apply to non-state actors, i.e ISIS but can apply to the countries fighting them depending on the situation. If ISIS has indicated that it will apply the provisions, the Conventions would then apply to those fighting them. I do not believe that ISIS has made any statement about the Conventions though so the nations fighting them are not bound by the Conventions either.

"The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation "accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions"
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I see it as no different than using nuclear
Destruction equivalent of two nuclear bombs

According to the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, Israel has dropped more than 25,000 tonnes of explosives on the Gaza Strip since October 7, equivalent to two nuclear bombs.

In comparison, the Little Boy nuclear bomb dropped by the United States on Hiroshima during World War II yielded 15,000 tonnes of high explosives and destroyed everything within a one-mile (1.6km) radius.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It was Hezbollah BTW
let's tackle hamas first
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I will answer the question though: "from the river to the sea" would not be evil if it was Israel because Israel doesn't exterminate muslims or arabs. Hamas does exterminate jews.
netanyahu and other members of the government have said repeatedly they will not stop bombing until every member of hamas is dead

how do you think they know who is a "member of hamas"

do they all wear uniforms ?

do they carry a special id card ?

can you perhaps x-ray their skulls to find little flags in their brains ?

also, 

they're bombing the west bank

and nobody is claiming "hamas" is in the west bank

in fact, the palestinian authority and hamas are mortal enemies and have literally killed hundreds on each side
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Do you know the difference between this clip and the one I posted? The one I posted was referencing a quote from an actual military leader.
palestine does not have a military
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@Mall
I claim or assert the fact of the word fact spelled f,a,c,t.

not necessarily

1. tatsache
2. hecho
3. fait
4. факт
5. fatto
6. 事实
7. 사실
8. 事実
9. fakta
10. तथ्य
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@FLRW
No, the $130,000 the Trump Organization paid Cohen.
as a tax deductible "legal expense"

ok, so all of this "defrauding voters" stuff is what, incidental ?

falsely claiming a tax deduction for personal expenses can be considered tax fraud, which is a felony offense

so, there's your felony

why is this case not focused on that simple fact ?
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@FLRW
Like personal expenses, campaign contributions are not deductible. 26 U.S.C. 162(e)(1)(B). So no matter the reason the President paid his alleged former lovers, his business could not legally have deducted the expense. There is no way out of that legal corner.
are you suggesting trump claimed the "legal retainer" (paid from a personal bank account) expense as a tax deduction ?
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@RaymondSheen
Excuse me? What about it? Are you suggesting I'm ignorant of your possible findings in such an endeavor? 
you try to invalidate arguments by suggesting they're "missing the point"

but you fail to specify exactly what the target is

this is called

"an appeal to ignorance"
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@RaymondSheen
Really! And you have verification for this? 
exactly the same level of verification as yours
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@RaymondSheen
which is what exactly ?
You'll know when you get there. It may not be the same for you as it is for me. 

appeal to the unknown

also known as

appeal to ignorance
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@Stephen
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuelwhich being interpreted is, God with us.
The truth, as was told back then, is that Jesus' parents were Mary, and a Roman Soldier named Pantera. In other words, Jesus' father was in fact human.

The name Pantera was quite common back then, but we do have his first name too.

He was known as Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera.

This was recorded not only in the Jewish Talmud but also in other Jewish writings and Roman records. In it Jesus was referred to as Jesus (Yeshu) ben Pantera, Son of Pantera.

Jesus is a fairly modern take on his real name. He was mainly known as Yeshu or Yeshua, which makes sense as there was no letter J in the Hebrew or Greek alphabet around the time of the Jesus story.
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@RaymondSheen
and never get to the real point
which is what exactly ?
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@Double_R
there is no legal precedent for charging someone with "defrauding voters" for killing a story
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I don't know Hebrew, but I do know English; and some people are making themselves abundantly clear:

how is "from the river to the sea" somehow evil when one person says it, but not when another person says it ?

wipe them off the f*ing map

orthodox jews

a balanced view
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@cristo71
I have come to the conclusion that they dream of living in a world devoid of Jews and a Jewish homeland— even if it means the destruction of their own earthly lives and the lives of their children, sadly.

I’m not sure what needs clarification. Can you be more specific about what words or phrases are unclear?
are you suggesting it's ok to slaughter all palestinians because many of them hate jews

but it's not ok to slaughter all jews because many of them hate palestinians ?
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@Mall
Except a claim to a fact .
please provide an example
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@RaymondSheen
The Dogon tribe in Africa is known for their knowledge of the Sirius star system, which includes a binary star as Sirius A and Sirius B.

i guess that proves they worship the one true creator of all things
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@FLRW
Yes, if X=3, Y=2 ,Z=1, and W=49

(3x2)/1 X sqrt 49= 6 x 7= 42
true based on these conditions

what about this one

god + objective-truth + moral-principle + bible = universal-morality

would you call this a "true statement" ?
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@Double_R
Paying to keep a story out of the public for the purpose (mind reader) of winning election sure sounds to me like a campaign expenditure. Not a lawyer here, but I fail to see how it is not.
if you're arnold schwarzenegger it's not a campaign expenditure
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@FLRW
  (X+Y)/Z  x  sq.rt.(W) = 42
would you call this a "true statement" ?
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@FLRW
One equation allows you to determine only one unknown value. It is a fundamental rule that you need as many equations as you have unknown values. Four unknowns means that we need four equations to solve the problem.
right

this example is supposed to illustrate how ridiculous logically incoherent arguments can be

like this one

god + objective-truth + moral-principle + bible = universal-morality

god = undefined variable

objective-truth = undefined variable

moral-principle = undefined variable

bible = undefined variable

universal-morality = undefined variable
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@FLRW
 (X+Y)/Z  x  sq.rt.(W) = 42
this is a good example of motivated-reasoning

also known as

putting the horse before the cart

also known as

confirmation bias

also known as

cherry-picking data to support a foregone conclusion

prejudiced reasoning

also known as

failure to solve undefined variables
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@RaymondSheen
Description: Not believed in
Prophecy: Isaiah 53:1
Fulfillment: John 12:37, 38
i verified one unverifiable written statement from an old book

with another unverifiable written statement from an old book
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@Stephen
Nope nothing there concerning Jesus . And lets not forget, the messiah was never supposed to have died . He was supposed to have freed the Jews from the Roman yoke, FAIL.  Inherited the throne of David, FAIL .   Become king of the Jews, FAIL.  And bring peace to all earth, FAIL and many other things that was expected of the messiah.  In fact, a careful read of the New Testamant, and one can see that between John the Baptist and Jesus, it appears that John was more a Messiah like figure than Jesus ever was. But he was executed too, (Twice!!!) if the bible is to be believed.
well stated
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@Best.Korea
The ones you convince would spread your message further, thus the society of criminals would gradually be eroded.
When there are many restrictions in the world

The people become more impoverished

When people have many sharp weapons

The country becomes more chaotic

When people have many clever tricks

More strange things occur

The more laws are posted

The more robbers and thieves there are
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no claim is automatically logical

in order for a claim to be considered logical, it must be demonstrated and each component defined

for example

something plus something divided by something and then multiplied by the square-root of something = 42


you can't prove me wrong - so it must be true

if you don't believe me then you are just denying mathematical facts
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@cristo71
I have come to the conclusion that they dream of living in a world devoid of Jews and a Jewish homeland— even if it means the destruction of their own earthly lives and the lives of their children, sadly.
what are you trying to say here ?
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@Double_R
Till then, the fact that you continue to compare these two while leaving out the actual crime alleged here tells me you aren't well versed on the basics. Either that or you're just being fundamentally dishonest. Either way, if you are really interested in the legal theory here I suggest you spend some time googling it instead of pressing me to explain it even though I've said multiple times already that I'm not a lawyer and am really not interested in the legal manutia of this case.
look, just to be clear, i hate trump as much as the next guy

and what you seem to be saying here is that you don't want to haggle over legal details

while at the same time haggling over legal details

paying to kill a story in the middle of a campaign is not a crime

it is not a campaign expenditure if there is evidence that the expense would have happened regardless of the campaign

trump paid to kill similar stories BEFORE he ran for president - so it is reasonable to believe he would have paid to kill this story regardless

killing a story is not and has never been "defrauding voters"
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@cristo71
Do you find non-sequiturs somehow compelling?
please explain to me exactly which women and children we are morally obligated to slaughter 
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@ADreamOfLiberty
but he doesn't win in a three way and you can't get Biden out of the way because the deep state wants his compliant decaying brain right where it is.
yeah, but 99% of people are only voting for biden because they don't want trump to win

but if everyone knows biden can't win

and RFK can beat trump

then NOBODY will vote for biden
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@cristo71
Sounds like a conversation Hamas might have had prior to October 7. Do you believe that was a false flag operation or something?
i'm on your side now

can we start slaughtering all the terrorists in prisons now ?

and their families ?

or just the ones in gaza and the west bank ?

don't forget about the west bank

nuke the taliban, they're all terrorists right ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Basically if you went out to buy an apple, they'll claim you're trying to illegally hide campaign spending because if you don't eat you'll look unhealthy on camera and that might hurt your chances. If you said "I would have bought that apple anyway" they're saying "No you would buy something unhealthy like a snickers bar, our jury will decide these matters".
ok, i wasn't sure which side of this you were trying to represent
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@Double_R
do you know which specific law was violated in this case ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The Federal Election Commission rules examine this through the lens of whether campaign funds have been put to personal use; the commission applies something called the Irrespective Test. The law says that something is personal if it’s "any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate’s election campaign."

By that standard, said Emory School of Law professor Michael Kang, "the circumstances and context here are suspicious," but it’s no slam-dunk that the payment was an expenditure on behalf of the campaign.  

"Cohen may have been sufficiently involved in Trump’s personal dealings, perhaps with other similar transactions in the past, that they can credibly argue the hush payment would’ve been handled in similar fashion even if Trump were not a candidate," Kang said.

Former FEC chair Bradley Smith told us he sees evidence from Daniels that places this outside the realm of the campaign.

"Daniels herself has said that years before Trump declared for president, she was threatened about not disclosing any affair, suggesting, if she's telling the truth, that her silence was desired long before Trump became a candidate," Smith said. [[LINK]]

ok

so, NOT specifically paid with campaign money
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It's also never been considered "campaign spending" regulated by the FEC. It still is not, but pseudo-courts are content to pretend.
using campaign funds and falsifying records is a MISDEMEANOR

and if they left it at that i'm sure trump would be more than happy to pay the fine
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I have spent lot of years mainly figuring out what myself and this reality is all about.
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@MAV99
do you think it would be fair to say "souls" accumulate and process data based on their original design specifications ?
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@Double_R
what's the difference between the arnold schwarzenegger case and the trump case under discussion regarding "defrauding voters" ?
Don't know anything about the Schwarzenegger story. You tell me - did the story contain every element I described above? If so, care to provide a summary? Cause if not, I'm not interested.

this is not a crime in-and-of-itself
I already explained this. Did you read it? Do you have any thoughts on it?

the schwarzenegger case is an example of a tabloid paying for a story in the middle of a political campaign with the intent to kill the story

the article mentions this is COMMON PRACTICE

but strangely, this is NOT CONSIDERED A CRIME


killing embarrassing stories during a political campaign is normal, think of JFK and marilyn monroe


this is not a crime

this has never been a crime
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@MAV99
(IFF) OOC designed "spirit" (AND) "spirit" does what it is designed to do (THEN) "spirit" is controlled by OOC
That is a fallacy
To design does not mean it necessaily controls. 

All you are trying to do is make the original IF-THEN syllogism fit the philosophy I use, which I have said from the beginning isincompatible with the philosophy I use.

it seems like you're saying OOC designed "spirit" to be unpredictable

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@zedvictor4
Sarah who?
exactly
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@MAV99
 takes unto itself to produce understanding. That is not the same as experiance.
"soul" does never learns from experience

but it does learn by osmosis


try this,

does "soul" accumulate data ?
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@MAV99
It is not influenced by its design. It does what it is designed to do. There is  difference to act according to what you are and to act because of an outside influence. Different origins of action.

(IFF) OOC designed "spirit" (AND) "spirit" does what it is designed to do (THEN) "spirit" is controlled by OOC
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@Greyparrot
@Best.Korea
RFK beats Biden in head-to-head match



RFK beats Trump in head-to-head match



I don't like either, but the USA simply can't afford another 4 years of Biden. 
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@baggins
“Scientific theory” is also not a synonym for a “fact” but consists of our best explanations for certain FACTS so it could be considered as a fact. But the definition of “scientific theory” is more than that as mentioned before
well stated
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@ADreamOfLiberty
and I won't believe it just because clearly delusional people say it.
try watching a few israeli news broadcasts

they're bragging about it
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Something tells me they aren't launching rocks, rockets, or going on raids to rape and kill as many Jews as they can.

something tells me they're still getting their homes confiscated and their water storage sabotaged and being imprisoned and shot regardless
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