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[Best.Korea] If power is the goal, it seems logical to prefer to have power with smaller USA than not have power with bigger USA.
Unfortunately the deep state aren't imbeciles like you. They know territory and people means power.
By the way you lied about me lying:
[Best.Korea] You again lied that she said "rape is sexy" [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422921]
Maybe you should recant your slander.
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[IWRA] So if someone besides yourself sticks their fingers up your ass, you won’t consider yourself to have been raped? Ok
Ah, suddenly the jury is no longer the sacred final arbiter of the facts. You get to decide now. I am just shocked you would stand against the rule of law in this manner! For shame!
By the way your outstanding penalty is 3,906,461,000. Be a good citizen now. Don't want to be like Donald Trump and deny legitimate authority.
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@Double_R
Proclaiming your innocence and attacking your accuser are two very different things.If calling your accuser a liar is attacking them then no, but you're the dishonest type so I wouldn't expect you to admit that.Trump denied having met her altogether and repeated this claim despite it being proven factually incorrect.
Being in the same room with someone doesn't constitute meeting. Nothing of the sort was proven.
He accused her of being some attention whore trying to make up her story to sell books
he accused her of working with the democrats to help them steel the election
Hilary accused Trump of working with russians to steal the election. Somehow she's not liable? (She would be in West Virginia, can't wait till the right-tribe figures that out)
he tried to paint her as some kind of sex feind by twisting her words
Let's be honest, normal people can get through life without accusing anybody of rape. Jean Carroll is something special. She either sniffs out and puts herself in the room with rapists or she lies.
Shit, I was so insensitive to your disability just then. Forget about that honesty stuff.
he did all of this from the bully pulpit of the presidency as well as that of a former president.
No special provisions to defamation statues revolve around being president. I'd say anything is fair when somebody writes a book where you are featured as a rapist.
Those comments alone might be written off as "he said she said"
Those comments don't need to be written off. "he said she said" is the state of the evidence that would exist if this supposed rape went to trial (a real trial). Of course then it would had meant not guilty. Today, with as last name of Trump of course guilty; but then they were real courts back then.
when the central allegation is adjudicated and a jury finds him liable for assaulting her
Ohh you're learning. Don't want those punitive damages to get any higher huh?
the only logical step is to find him liable for the defamation that followed.
Let's pretend that the judge, jury, plaintiff, and bailiff shouldn't be immediately imprisoned for extortion and/or impersonating officers of the court. Let's pretend that a civil case can establish a crime as a matter of fact.
It then follows that a criminal trial having a presumably greater burden of proof would also establish as a fact that a crime occurred. If it is then defamation to say someone is lying about something that is a fact in the eyes of the court, then surely anyone who has been convicted of a crime and called their accusers liars are liable for defamation right?
It then follows that it is impossible to assert ones innocence after being convicted without committing defamation. It then follows that any appeal of a conviction is also defamation.
Now are you really sure that this is the only logical step?
That's a rhetorical question, I know you wouldn't admit it even if you saw your error.
I'd say the next logical step is the state of affairs that existed for every other person under English common law systems (since like 1600ish) who aren't named Donald Trump (or associated): When you accuse someone of a crime (or any malfeasance really), you can't claim to be damaged when they call you a liar. In fact the only one who would ever be in danger of defamation is yourself.
Educate yourself: https://www.isba.org/sections/bench/newsletter/2020/06/therightofconfrontationaconceptfort (again, just rhetorical, I know you won't)
You can pretend that isn't how the law works or shouldn't work all you want, it does and it should.
Sure pal, there are no such things as appeals.
If you don't care whether he was found liable by a jury in court of law of the underlying accusation then you can stop pretending you're defending the rule of law.
I think I'll keep "pretending": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Court_(Germany)
Just because you call yourself a court and locate your self in a building that resembles a court does not mean you're following the law.
"Defendants were often berated during the examination and never allowed to respond with any sort of lengthy reply."
The best outcome when nazis infest a court:
You're defending nothing more than your right to impose your will on everyone else because you don't like the outcome.
I don't like the outcome because it is an affront to justice.
God help us.
If he existed I wouldn't be talking to a hypocrite and a liar as if it mattered would I.
An attack on the liberal basis for law is an attack on everyone who the law is there to protect. It is an attack on me.I know of a cult expert who once said: "The difference between a religion and a cult is that in a religion your savior sacrifices themselves for you, in a cult you sacrifice yourself for your savior"
You know what I think helps identify a cult. When you talk to them and what you say clearly goes through a translation matrix before it hits their cerebellum.
Like in this case "It is an attack on me" is clearly not the message your consciousness received. It was translated to "It is an attack on Trump only and I want to sacrifice myself for his sake even though were it anyone else he would deserve it"
Or maybe you know exactly what I said, but you couldn't find a way to twist it into some pathetic non-sequiter so you just pretended I said something else, what you told me I believed instead of what I said.
I'll never know if you're a cultist or just a liar, just no way to tell over the internet.
Words I think about everytime I watch MAGA cultists defend the warping of their own minds.
So warped, that's why on every single issue you've ever tried to debate with me you end up in a circle of reassertion where you pretend you weren't proven wrong.
The reason Trump is in legal perril is because of his own actions.
I agree. The problem is the actions in question were legal. Specifically securing the border (or trying), ordering troop withdrawals (in an orderly manner), investigating corruption in Ukraine (ouch)!, but the worst of them all was not being Hilary Clinton and not playing ball with the Boltons, the Blackrocks, and the Lockheed Martins.
There is nothing about anything Trump has been criminally or civilly attacked over that is even remotely unique to him. Even the incitement of a riot was done a few years earlier by left-tribers and it could be quite sanely argued that they intended to incite a riot while he did not since he said "peacefully" and they implied the opposite.
Biden has been accused of sexual assault and kept classified documents in his corvette. Sure he handed them over, but that was an easy decision to make when he controlled the agency that was taking them.
The Clinton foundation was definitely a front for public corruption so that should have been the "charity found to be fraudulent".
The reason none of this goes anywhere is because the propagandist control the populations of the cities. The cities are where the corporations and politicians do there stuff. Thus the propagandist control the courts on all matters that involve the rich and powerful. They didn't need to destroy the courts till now, but now they have and you can't put the genie back int the bottle. Gona need to start with some fresh clay.
You claim he is being treated unfairly while he is objectively given deference beyond anything you or I would ever receive.
That's objective is it?
Perhaps your calculation doesn't include the charges and suits themselves. Left-tribers and right-tribers who play ball get the greatest deference of all: They don't go after them with made up crimes and absurd novel theories of law.
Have you ever seen a criminal defendant repeatedly attack the judge, the prosecutors, the witnesses, hell even the court staff and get away with it?
Yes it happens all the time. In fact it is specifically protected activity insofar as judges have been reversed simply because they showed how annoyed they were with being attacked.
and then people like you pretend he's the victim because he told you so.
He didn't have to tell me anything. All the lies and defamations against him prove the case far more than any assertion on his part. See post #189.
Just recently oromagi claimed he couldn't wear a hat. oromagi can clearly do a bit of thinking when he wants to. This is what TDS does to people. Night and day. Human being vs zombie.
You say it best:
It's utterly pathetic.
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Nothing I am about to say is meant to imply in anyway that the kangaroo show courts and the TDS juries who enable them are anything but the most unreputable, contemptible, weak-willed, amoral, deluded, and unforgivably apathetic creatures this world has seen for a long long
Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll: No
So not only is there no such thing as a "guilty" verdict in a civil trial, there is no finding of rape. (It should instantly be declared that no civil trial can find facts sense that is the province of criminal trials only, that was always an error that is being brought to its final and absurd extreme in this case.)
So let's count up the number of misinformed, hec I'm done with the benefit of the doubt. Lets count up the number of willfully ignorant deceptions members of this forum have tried to foist upon the non-existent readership. Here we go:
Lied about conviction count = LCC = 0
Lied about rape count = LRC = 0
Defamatory statements by IWRA:
What better place to start with the title of the thread
"A man convicted of defaming an ordinary citizen about raping that same person"
Man wasn't convicted, man wasn't found liable of rape.
LCC = 1, LRC = 1
As we've established, Donald Trump was not convicted of anything, nor was he found liable of rape by anyone (no matter how deranged). Also, according to the golden rule we must treat others as we would have them treat us, or more specifically judge them by their own standards. Since IWRA believes calling someone a liar when they told the truth is defamatory we have a special category here of IWRA defaming myself and other members of this forum.
simultaneously found not liable for rape but liable for denying that rape occurred.That’s a lie. You’re a liar. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422609]
Defaming members +1
Now if we went with Best.Korea's definition of defamation "claims about him/her which he could not prove" wow, it would be easier to point out the times IWRA wasn't defaming someone. Here is one I won't be letting go till the day they ban me:
Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866]
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Not Trump. Trump is a convicted sexual predator. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10380/posts/423060]
LCC = 2, LRC = 2
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Defamatory statements by Double_R:
just like the civil fraud trial against him that's already found him guilty [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422568]
LCC = 1
The first trial already found that Trump was in fact guilty of the underlying accusation.
LCC = 2, he slips away on rape because he doesn't specify the accusation.
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Defamatory statements by Sidewalker:
a jury finds him guilty [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422586]
LCC = 1
he already lost the portion that found him guilty of rape. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422595]
LCC = 2, LRC = 1
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Defamatory statements by Best.Korea:
He was found guilty on sexual abuse [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422589]
LCC = 1
Demonize the victim because she was raped at the time when most people would blame her for being raped? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422654]
LRC = 1
Demonize the victim because she was raped in circumstances where rape victims didnt have any support, and because she had no way of dealing with it at the time? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422654]
LRC = 2
mock rape victims [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422877]
LRC = 3
Well, saying that rape victim gave hints of wanting to be raped is a horrible way to defend Trump [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422912]
LRC = 4
saying that rape victim wanted to roleplay rape is also a horrible way of defending Trump [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422917]
LRC = 5
You again lied that she said "rape is sexy" [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422921]
Unfortunately, that's just not a claim Korea can prove; and as the thread shows everybody is in agreement that calling someone a liar is defamatory.
Defaming members +1
while lying that you didnt claim how she wanted to be raped [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422921]
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while lying about her that she has a rape fetish [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422921]
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again you assumed that people who were raped cant have rape fetish [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422921]
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to support that she wasnt raped by again lying that she has a rape fetish. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422921]
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What woman doesnt want to listen to Gp's endless conspiracy theories, link spam, whining, promoting civil wars, and lying about rape victims? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422977]
Defaming members (GP) +1
LRC = 6
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So let's add it all up:
IWRA defamed Donald Trump twice by saying he was convicted of a crime when he was in fact not.
IWRA defamed Donald Trump twice by saying he was a rapist, which even by the astoundingly low bar of this kangaroo court did not occur
IWRA defamed me twice, once by calling my a liar and once by claiming I made statements about a rape victim (which would be hard since there is no rape victim to speak of)
Double_R only defamed Donald Trump twice by saying he was convicted. Very good lawyer speak Double_R, you're still a filthy fucking liar who tries to gaslight anyone who pokes holes in your bullshit but you're the bottom of the pack for this particular race.
Sidewalker defamed Donald Trump twice by claiming he was convicted and once by claiming he raped someone.
Best.Korea... ouch... Best.Korea wins the defamation race. He defamed Donald Trump once by claiming he was convicted and six times by claiming he raped someone. He also defamed me five times by claiming I told specific lies and by claiming I made statements about non-existent rape-victims. He defamed GreyParrot once by claiming he lied about rape victims (which he did not).
So what are we looking at for damages? Well it's pretty obvious that there are no copensatory damages. Donald Trump doesn't give a shit about these losers, and I have only lost the time I was wasting already. Punative damages though? Oh boy.
With the same respect due and strict adherence to the law displayed by the entity known as Judge Kaplan's court I declare myself judge, jury, and executioner and deem that damages for defaming members of this forum are $1,953,230,500 per count. For defaming Donald Trump by claiming he was convicted the punative damages are $50,000,000 per count. For defaming Donald Trump by claiming he raped someone the damages are $100,000,000 per count.
Therefore:
IWRA shall pay a sum of $300 million dollars to Donald J. Trump and a sum of $3,906,461,000 to myself via bitcoin or monero.
Double_R shall pay a sum of $100,000,000 to Donald J. Trump.
Sidewalker shall pay a sum of $200,000,000 to Donald J. Trump
Best.Korea shall pay a sum of $650,000,000 to Donald J. Trump. He shall pay $9,766,152,500 to myself via bitcoin or monero. He shall pay $1,953,230,500 to Greyparrot in what ever way he would prefer.
It is so ordered. *gavel bang*
I'm sure all those who lost this trial see the error of their ways now and since they fully believe in this theory of law they have advanced they will need no coercion to pay their debts. I mean if they didn't that would mean they didn't believe in the rule of law? and in the words of Best.Korea: "Thats what happens when person draws line for others but not for themselves." [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422877]
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Nobody really thinks Texas would be alone right? The wall would be around the various beltways.
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IWRA has the utmost respect for federal titles, except for President... under certain circumstances. Don't presume that the rest of us are entitled to pick and choose which titles to respect when. No, only special (non-deplorable) people like IWRA get to do it.
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Look at the lying imbecile go on like he knows what he's talking about:
Legally, states in USA arent part of a country that is "voluntary union which its territories can leave at will".
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@IlDiavolo
Do you thing Texit is possible?
Yes
Is it viable legally?
The law is a lot like morality. A set of laws, or more precisely the interpretation of a set of laws never seems to win unless people who believe in it shoot other people.
Having established there is no force behind the law but force perhaps you are asking if an objective observer would conclude that a state breaks the law by seceding.
In that case the answer is simple and unsatisfying: There is no exit clause in the US constitution. Which means it's decided by context (if anything)
There was the civil war. Did any legal question get resolved? No. The federal government just shot anyone who claimed that secession was possible.
Logically what one enters into voluntarily without specifying a time-limit, one may with withdraw from at any time.
A much stronger argument is that the contract has been broken and is thus null and void.
Logic and objective interpretations of the law won't matter. They didn't matter in 1860. They didn't matter in 1776. The last argument of kings matters. What people believe matters.
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@Double_R
Proclaiming your innocence and attacking your accuser are two very different things.
If calling your accuser a liar is attacking them then no, but you're the dishonest type so I wouldn't expect you to admit that.
You conveniently ignore the fact that the defamation trial didn't occur in a vacuum.
No I'm not, I am quite aware of the sea of TDS that made such nation-breaking absurdity possible.
The first trial already found that Trump was in fact guilty of the underlying accusation.
What GP said, and I don't care. No verdict criminal or civil can ever morally compel a man to confess or cease attacking his accuser's credibility. To defend such a notion is the realm of religious inquisitors and fascists.
Hint: That means you
You can disagree with that verdict all you want
Calling it disagreement is like calling Mt Everest an accumulation of minerals. True, but a bit of an understatement.
you don't get to pretend it didn't happen or wasn't relevant to the verdict in this case.
Far from pretending it didn't happen I have responded to news of the event (in full context of all else that has and is happening) appropriately: I will no longer consider the population of New York, New York to be peers or fellow citizens. They are dangerous puppets of propaganda. I wish they could be saved in the same way I wish the people of Dresden or Tokyo could have been saved.
To entrust any decision of guilt or innocence, liability, or even the most basic morality to them is an act of suicide. To attribute to them or their officials any authority, credibility, or respect is an insult to civilization itself.
Anyone who escapes from that city should be treated with the utmost suspicion until they show through word and deed that they were never infected or have been fully cured of the indoctrination which currently exists.
The overwhelming bulk of the reward to the plaintiff was on punitive grounds, which is certainly appropriate in a case where the defendant continued to attack the plaintiff as the trial was ongoing
What is appropriate is the exile of everyone involved in this treasonous betrayal of the social contract (judge, jury, plaintiff, bailiff, etc...), and for all their assets to be at once seized to pay for legal costs and the defamation against one Donald J Trump.
There should be a monument to the disbarment of everyone who remotely suggested that there was anything appropriate about this suite or any of the other witch-hunts against Trump.
Now I know you people think you can do the "big ask" where you violate all legal norms and moral principles and expect some kind of compromise but that won't get you anywhere with me. You want to make believe you're nazis, you should be treated like nazis.
You may clutch pearls now "ohh that just proves you're too far gone", I beat you to it you feckless hack:
[ADOL] When someone can call opposition to this state of affairs "ridiculous" they prove themselves beyond reason.
Enough said. You can go back to your corner and pretend you made a point now. I'm sure the mental giants that are IWRA, Korea, and FLWR will have strong words of encouragement, provided those words aren't too long or have to be strung together coherently for more than half a sentence.
including while he was literally sitting in the courtroom, by continuing to ignore the judges instructions and proclaim his innocence to the jury after being told very clearly that was not a valid testimony
I hope they pick a good actor for the movie that will be made. It's a real "I cannot, and I will not" moment.
Trump made a conscious decision to ignore every rule of the trial
and thereby choose to follow the rule of law, for to pretend absurdity is law is to undermine the law.
signalling as clear as he could have possibly signaled that he saw himself as being immune to the law.
Those pretenders you call "the law" will be consigned to the dustbin of history as yet another example of how weak institutions are when education is subverted.
He deserved every penny of that verdict.
I would kill to prevent a single extorted penny from changing hands.
Stop pretending that the circumstances here are like any other defamation trial we've ever seen.
Stop trying to gaslight me. It's failed before and it will fail now. No one has ever been found liable (after appeal) for calling someone accusing them of a crime a liar before. Not once has that stood.
In 99.9% of attempts to bring such a complaint it was dismissed prima facie, in the rest shortly after.
You exist in a bubble created by demented propagandists. You trusted people like legal eagle to tell you that, but they didn't. You choose to ignore real lawyers citing real cases.
Your ignorance is your own doing.
TDS is actually buying the utter bullshit talking point that this is all somehow an attack on you. It's not
Well you're being honest here. If I recant and ignore the complete inversion of the foundation of our civilization in the particular case of Donald J Trump you might forgive me my sins.
Even if it was right to sacrifice one man for peace (and it isn't), there is a rather large problem. You aren't in control of what you believe, the propagandists are. It doesn't end with Trump.
An attack on the liberal basis for law is an attack on everyone who the law is there to protect. It is an attack on me.
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@Greyparrot
Whoa now. Korea says you have endless conspiracy theories. Is this another one of those?In civil cases you are liable. In criminal cases, you are guilty.
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@Greyparrot
Holy crap, I get the connection...smooth concrete...smooth something else!
yea... Yea! It all hangs together. A grand tapestry! Maybe someday we'll actually figure out what the bisected torus that ebuc talks about is!
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@FLRW
Mmm, but has it occurred to you that whoever controls the spice controls the universe?In the 1980s, Michael “Harry-O” Harris was known as the Godfather on the streets of South Central Los Angeles.Working with gangs like the Bloods and Crips, plus the Colombian cartel, Harris was in charge of a nationwide drug trafficking operation that brought in nearly $2 million daily.
OMG, do think Gp and ADOL work for the Cartel?
HOLY SHIT! Do you know that smooth aggregate in concrete and mortar is significantly weaker than irregular shapes?
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It's good that IWRA is showing how much he respects women by implying that a lack of boobs is the first and only thing you need to know about a strong independent woman.
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@FLRW
I may have made an error. It may not be possible to beat you in the domain of non-sequiturs. I will try though:
You sell drugs to Blacks, don't you?
Maybe if you were on the dark side of the moon like you should be you'd know the answer to that.
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@FLRW
So what you're saying is you want more black people in jail? That's what I heard.
That makes you racist you know.
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@Greyparrot
Maybe they identify as women. That would explain alot.
Well they clearly feel entitled to speak for all women. No doubt any woman who disagrees with them "ain't black" I mean "ain't a real woman".
Like say Trump's lawyer and the tens of millions of women who will still vote for Trump no matter what a TDS jury (in contravention of all rights and traditions of English common law) have decided.
Now see FLRW spends a lot of time talking about a particular woman though. "Slovenian sex worker", yes he's very interested in sex workers. It's because he respects all women surely.
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@FLRW
Rambling, case in point.
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@n8nrgim
the universe should last for trillions of years is my point.
That's got nothing to do with it.
Why would how long the universe would last (before heat death I presume) affect how many technical civilizations that develop?
On the timescales we've observed for the development of life, intelligence, and technology it would be an unfathomable coincidence if the technological explosion on two different worlds within 100 light years of each other occurred within 100,000 years of each other.
If you're saying "The universe is young so we shouldn't expect contact for billions of years yet" that's the same as saying "we're first, cool", but that would be quite a coincidence wouldn't it?
Somebody has to be first, but that's not a likely assumption compared to the other solutions to the paradox.
plus if life developed somewhere, we cant necessarily know.
That was the assumption before this was explored at the time the paradox was introduced. The reason that seemed to be a safe assumption was because it was hard to imagine that computer technology would be as powerful and accessible as it has turned out to be.
As of this moment it is obvious that self-replicating probes are plausible. That changed the significance of distance. A million year journey is unrealistic for biological travelers (or machines that can't fix themselves), a signal traveling a hundred thousand light-years doesn't make any sense; but a system of probes designed to contact all life in the galaxy shouldn't take more than a million years to do it.
If no one else has done it, we'll do it in the next 100,000 years; which is (again) on geological and stellar timescales a blink of an eye.
we can't even see planets in other galaxies, i dont think.
We can't see individual stars in other galaxies *unless they're exploding or something*
We can't see planets of our nearest neighbors in the conventional sense. Everything we know about exo-planets has been impressive deduction from the slightest wobbles and the faintest rays of light.
Again, that's the outdated model of contact "Alien sees us, alien sends radio signal" That's easy to explain away. The contact strategy that is not easy is this: "Alien doesn't see life, decides to tell the entire galaxy about themselves even if it takes a million years."
thirteen billion years is enough time for life to form, but we shouldn't assume it's adequate that there 'must' be other life forms out there
It's never a "must", it just requires that Earth be incredibly exceptional in ways many people find uncomfortable.
Exceptional in developing technical civilization the fastest. Exceptional in developing life at all. That sort of thing.
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@FLRW
Yep, you nailed it. All women are zombies who don't care about things like the presumption of innocence, evidence, or loyalty to reality. I'm sure it has nothing to do with this site being dead and infested by nearly unmitigated idiots whose vocabulary doesn't much exceed "MAGA MORON".And we wonder why all the women have left this site !
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@Greyparrot
@Double_R
It's not that hard to figure out. If shutup just because they sue you, you've already been gagged. I don't think history will play out the way you think it will. He shouldn't pay a dime and he should keep exercising the 1st amendment.[Double_R] What history will scratch their heads about is the fact that a former president of the United States being sued for defamation continued to defame the plaintiff repeatedly and relentlessly as the trial was ongoing.
[Double_R] To argue that a massive award to the plaintiff here constitutes a miscarriage of justice is absolutely ridiculous and shows that you really don't know what a defamation trial is.
Apparently neither does Alan Dershowitz. He just faked being a lawyer since the fall of the Roman Empire (exaggeration, not a lie snopes).
[Greyparrot] He is being punished for calling her a liar. When society won't let you call people liars, then it's no longer a society. It's a cult. We are rewriting the law to say if you ever plead "Not-Guilty" then you can be held liable for defamation. That's the end of the rule of law.
To say the least. It shouldn't have to be said, but apparently through TDS we will need to set precedent: Denying wrongdoing and attacking the credibility of your accusers is not only implied to be protected speech by the 1st amendment and English common law, it couldn't possibly constitute defamation as the only candidate for the original defaming act was the accusation itself.
I mean even if someone was convicted of a crime, they have still always been allowed to proclaim their innocence. Now you don't need to be convicted and you're not allowed to do so? When someone can call opposition to this state of affairs "ridiculous" they prove themselves beyond reason.
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@Double_R
Not really concerned with whether the guy who is rooting for civil war likes what I have to say
Your lack of concern about a great number of things has not been in doubt for some time.
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@Swagnarok
Maximizing the longevity of your species means maximizing available energy. That would mean hopping from star to star and either turning them into Dyson Spheres or "turning them off" so you can convert them to Dyson Spheres at some future point and their heat isn't jettisoned into the far reaches of space.
That hasn't been a problem for the past 10 billion years. I mean if you have a red dwarf you could have stayed there the whole time, or if you like G type stars you would have switched once.
There are a lot of assumptions in what you just said. A Dyson sphere? Why are they trying to move planets? All they need to do is control their population and they can stay on planets or reasonable sized space habitats.
No, the problem is that the idea of a billion year old civilization boggles the mind. Anything that could ever be thought of or tried would have been a thousand times over.
So either they did something to kill themselves (which is a lot harder than people make it out to be) or they must have built self-replicating drones and sent them out into the universe.
It's not radio silence that is paradoxical, it's the lack of probes. Even if they were from civilizations ten thousand lightyears away (and thus all but unreachable without scifi stuff) their probes should be here if they existed at our technological level for more than a millennium.
assuming they hold to the human value of surviving.
If there is anything we can assume about life it's that surviving is the root value.
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Sorry, I dont want to respond to bunch of assumptions.
No, you ran into the brick wall of being called out on your bullshit. Like IWRA. But you pissed me the hell off, so I won't be letting it go like I have the past 50 times.
You again lied that she said "rape is sexy"
Alright, you repeated your lie. Tell you what you are going to get your very own copy-paste. No need to share with IWRA.
You probably dont even know how stupid you sound to normal people who read your comments.
Are you trying to convince yourself you would ever be acceptable to normal people? I only ask because you implied that was the goal.
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Saying that rape victim wanted to roleplay rape is also a horrible way of defending Trump, since you are assuming something person never said in an attempt to present her as the guilty one for being raped.
Imbecile, I know it's hard for you; but if you want to talk with people of normal intelligence you need to be able to imagine more than one possibility simultaneously. Now in person this may be impossible for you, but in an online forum you can have hours to try to figure it out beforehand. You don't need to respond immediately and reveal that you're an imbecile.
If what you were saying was irrelevant to her being raped, then one can just wonder why did you say it.
Well.... I just spelled out the relevance explicitly so.... a grade schooler should have been able to understand (if this was an appropriate subject matter), but I guess that's just not enough for little old you.
And one must also wonder why you lied that she said "rape is sexy",
Well since I quoted her verbatim and in full context with a link to the video evidence you using the word "lie" is a lie. Do you want to be added to the copy-paste? A little upset that you were left out of the fun?
but a sick mind such as yours wants to do everything to make the victim look guilty.
I want you to think about something imbecile, none of those one or two likes under your posts that clearly mean everything to you will ever matter in any real way. It would be better to have imaginary friends because at least they won't disappear when they get bored.
All you'll be left with is the knowledge that you exposed yourself as a fool and a liar for nothing.
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@Greyparrot
He's seeing which breeze smells like weed :pSnoop is seeing which way the wind blows.
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Well, saying that rape victim gave hints of wanting to be raped
There is no rape victim, imbecile.
"Rape fetish" does not mean "Someone who actually wants to be raped" it means "someone who is interested in roleplaying rape", imbecile.
You know, if you weren't such an imbecile it might occur to you that people who have been raped probably don't have a rape fetish.
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If he wants me to stop posting this, the shit-stain pathological liar IwantRooseveltagain can show where I implied it was acceptable to say "a woman wanted to be raped" in reference to a real rape as opposed to referencing the allusion (by said woman) to rape fantasies.
[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][Best.Korea] Yes. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422858][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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I urge you to stop fucking lying all the time.Wait, you don’t like liars? Does Donald Trump lie every day? Did the newspapers document over 30,000 lies by him as President?Are you stupid?
Deflecting typically appears in conflictual situations, when a person is confronted with their mistakes. Instead of accepting responsibility and facing the uncomfortable situation head-on, the deflectors will try to move the focus from themselves, usually by passing the blame onto someone or something else.Everyone resorts to deflection from time to time, especially in childhood. However, when someone uses deflection constantly and refuses to accept the consequences of their own actions, deflection can become pathological and affect not only the mental health of the deflector but also those they interact with.]According to Sigmund Freud, people use 12 defence mechanisms to protect themselves from difficult, anxiety-inducing thoughts. Deflection is one of these mechanisms.
Face reality moron:
The shit-stain pathological liar IwantRooseveltagain should show where I implied it was acceptable to say "a woman wanted to be raped" in reference to a real rape as opposed to referencing the allusion (by said woman) to rape fantasies.
[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][Best.Korea] Yes. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422858][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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Woops, looks like the moron ran out of excuses.
I urge you to stop fucking lying all the time. The first step is realizing you have a problem. Admit to yourself "I'm a fucking liar". It would be cathartic, you can start here:
Show where I implied it was acceptable to say "a woman wanted to be raped" in reference to a real rape as opposed to referencing the allusion (by said woman) to rape fantasies.
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Are you stupid? GP is the one insinuating Carroll wanted to be raped and that is who I was talking about.
Well, it's hard to pin your lies down, there are so many and they are so convoluted. Let me update my copy-paste, moron:
If he wants me to stop posting this, the shit-stain pathological liar IwantRooseveltagain can show where I implied it was acceptable to say "a woman wanted to be raped" in reference to a real rape as opposed to referencing the allusion (by said woman) to rape fantasies.
[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][Best.Korea] Yes. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422858][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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She said: “I think most people think of rape as being sexy. They think of the fantasies.”
I know. Where did I say she wanted to be raped, moron.
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Well it's been ten minutes, and I'm still fucking pissed off. Congratulations vermin, you've found a way under my skin. Since we have no moderation on this site I think I'll take a page out of Greg Abbot's book and start playing by your rules.
Every single time IWRA (and maybe Best.Korea) says something that even remotely garners my notice I will copy a little question relating to this thread. If somebody ever comes to moderate this website and ignores the pile of probably 250 reports against IWRA for vicious and unprovoked personal attacks (such as that detailed in the following copy-paste) while finding my future behavior to be worthy of 'correction' I have this to say to that moderator: FUCK YOU IMBECILE.
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If he wants me to stop posting this, the shit-stain pathological liar IwantRooseveltagain can show where I said "a woman wanted to be raped" in reference to a real rape as opposed to referencing the allusion (by said woman) to rape fantasies.
[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo? [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422851][Best.Korea] Yes. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422858][ADreamOfLiberty] Yea that crosses the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422862][IwantRooseveltagain] You are so ridiculous. Saying a woman wanted to be raped is acceptable to you but making fun of an obnoxious loser who is inadequate with women is over the line. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10369/posts/422866 ]
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@FLRW
Read the transcript.
Who are you talking to? The people posting here can't even read this thread without lying about it. This forum is a joke.
There is no concern for the truth, no honest debate; may as well just spam links to get the last word:
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they could be silicon based
Somehow silicon means different definition of communication?
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@Greyparrot
Why bother. It's theater, they do it for each other. They don't care if they tell the truth.
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Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo?Yes.
Yea that crosses the line.
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@n8nrgim
A paradox is a named contradiction.But the universe is young... why should we assume aliens would already exist let alone have contacted us? I don't see why they call it a paradox.
The set of premises create a contradiction, the solution to the paradox is finding which premise is false.
The universe is not young on the scale we're talking about. There has been life on Earth for a billion years. Which means all else being equal even if for some reason life-capable worlds were all created at the exact same time as earth (big if) then we would expect a gausian distribution of the time it takes to become technological and cognizant.
If 1 billion years is the center and we take a reasonable earliest point at 500 million years then there should be an enormous number of civilizations (around 1/4 of the total that will ever develop) by 250 million years ago.
Now Earth being nearly the first is a solution to the paradox, it's simply a much larger coincidence than most people are comfortable with. Claiming that is about as likely as claiming that only 1/50 galaxies ever develop civilization and so the universe expands too fast for Von-neumann probes to find other civilizations (another solution).
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Is someone who lives all alone since his mother died and has never been with a woman a weirdo?
Sometimes I forget how disgusting this creature is.
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“It tickled me to death.” She called it “a great, huge coincidence, but… a magnificent one.”
Yea, that's classic rape victim. Reminded of the supposed trauma by a TV show and was "tickled to death" due to the "coincidence".
I almost feel this lends credibility to her because it doesn't seem possible that someone would be so stupid as to not realize how this hurts your credibility.
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@Best.Korea
"Who cares if you are suffering? I don't have to think about those kinds of things.Well, am I supposed to cry because you arent allowed to have a civil war?
Civil war? Let's remember the context:
[GreyParrot] Why do you support a broken system?
You answered "Hey it doesn't hurt me" (Yet, wait for it)
BUT by answering the question in that way you implied that you had ceded it was a broken system. You just didn't because it wasn't broken for you. (more likely you are too naive to see where this is headed, it's broken for everybody)
So now you say "well am I supposed to cry because you aren't allowed to have a civil war?"
The only reason civil war is coming this way is because too many people like you are supporting a broken system. So yes you should cry, because you're causing a civil war.
And how does a guy who supports bestiality end up in a Christian party?
By being able chew gum and walk at the same time (don't actually like gum).
The Christians happen to want the same things I want (to avoid a global takeover by digital fascists). Same is true of the nationalists. I haven't a nationalist bone in my body, but the nation state is an impediment to globalizing culture so the deep state is anti-nationalist (except when they need you to fight, then it's Ukraine stickers everywhere "greatest country in history", "how dare you question sovereignty that was established by whim after WW2"
Like, which part of you thought "oh these guys are gonna love me"?
Look, I know this isn't something you're going to be able to comprehend easily, but you should try: I decide who to support or oppose based on truth and morality. I discover truth and morality with logic and evidence. Nowhere in that philosophy is a magic box that guarantees everything I say will be loved by everyone.
It would be nice if people loved me, but I don't choose my ideas based on how it will ingratiate myself to others.
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@Greyparrot
It really does say a lot when the Democrats support tyranny like the Patriot Act.It's that kind of blatant hypocrisy that inevitably destroys the carefully constructed facade of the Uniparty.
It's a damn tragedy.
I mean you say "carefully constructed facade" but it's not so carefully constructed these days is it?
I remember 9/11 and I remember the warning voices of a few democrats. Then, it was half the democrats and all the republicans vs half the democrats.
The minority people spoke out about the dangers of an unaccountable government, the violations of privacy, the inherent problems with oversight. Things that should be obvious, but it was so easy to distract them with the looming threat of big-bad-osama.
There have got to be millions of people who were alive then who can't seem to see through that facade despite the policy-party affiliation completely inverting.
How can they be so blind? How could it be any more obvious that the same kinds of people with the same agenda are using laws like the patriot act to stay in power? and that the same people who have no problem with secret courts which have been proven to accept lies in warrant applications without consequence dare warn others about "fascism"??!
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@Double_R
That blade cuts both ways around here.I don't know why you bother, you can't think anyone here is reading your nonsense and thinking it makes sense.
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@oromagi
You can't possibly think this is a winning issue.I prefer to rely on sources that don't need to be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars before they'll admit a mistake and correct the record.
Count the number of times "assumption" was used in a "fact check"
Certainly, I like the Biden is capable of wearing a hat to show his solidarity with Amercian workers.
.... but he wasn't capable of wearing a hat, and snopes proved their nature as propagandists by assuming any criticism of Biden was false.
I'm pointing out the blindingly obvious here, you shouldn't need to be told this. Look in a mirror and ask yourself what is making you say these things.
Trump, by comparison, can't wear any hat.
Did snopes tell you that or are you thinking you're qualified act as your own snopes? All it takes is a zombie-like disregard for whether you're right and the deep conviction that the right-tribe is wrong about everything all the time. So I guess you may have what it takes. Chase those windmills.
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ROFL.... I just lolWhy do you support a broken system?Because I live well and dont prefer the alternative which you are offering?
Korea is not representative of the left-tribe, not by a long shot; but in this the secret heart of the suburban government beneficiary/ beneficiary's wife shines through.
"Who cares if you are suffering? I don't have to think about those kinds of things. All I have to do is be offended at mean tweets and believe whatever the TV tells me."
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@Best.Korea
Trump wants to be Kim Jong Un of America.He already has 60 million MAGA calling him "God Emperor Trump".
Snopes fact check: True
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@sadolite
I'm pretty sure that they would have gone after him if he actually broke any tax law given that they're making up laws that he broke and trying to clean him out for denying rape accusations.Did he violate any tax laws and if not what's your point?
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Look at FLRW frothing at the mouth, still stuck in the last thread he derailed with TDS.
Warning magnitude that someone who has never done an hour of hard work in his life doesn't know how to wear a hard hat = 1.0
Warning magnitude that a fact checker used by social media and believed by millions lies/can't figure out that the hat is on backward = 99
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"If damaging point detected, distract" - The Gish Way
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@IlDiavolo
You don't need to believe in it, just analize it and make a judgment according to your best logical reasoning.
"ascension"
Oh I saw that in stargate.
"They are in the 11th dimension"
Ah. so the 11 dimensional beings are humanoids. That makes perfect sense if a dot and the thinking-man statue were the same thing.
"many had contact with the tribes of north america and India"
north american tribes... 'peaceful'? mmmm sounds like a bit of retconing.
"Zeta Reticuli.... at a little over 40 lightyears away they're practically our closest neighbors"
Arcturus is 36 light years....
Ah the greys want our genetic material, from the future, cause they can't make babies anymore. Where have I seen this? Oh yea stargate... again.
So uh, how does an advanced alien race lose genetic information when a complete copy can fit in a microSD card?
"Abunaki"
So they engineered humanity, when did this happen? When was Earth seeded? Kinda hard to put together a timeline where this makes sense.
"Seeding it with bacteria eventually evolving"
Ok it was a billion years ago apparently. Patient MFers. So if they let evolution do it's thing... how come cats, reptiles, birds all popped out? Claiming it's convergent?
"Draconian reptilians from the star system draco"
Huh, why do they look like humans? Let me guess: genetic experiments in the 24th dimension?
"documented files" I hate undocumented files :p
"cat like" "avians" oh boy it's getting furry
"dark skinned and light skinned feline lyrans"
Well, the AI bot has got the current pathology correct. "oh yea cat people, but what color is their skin and how oppressed were their ancestors?!"
"were etheric..."
Ah so they're angels, but there were birds and Earth-like life on the planet already? *sigh*
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Oh, sorry, I thought this was about Trump.
We know, I'm sorry; there is no cure.
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