AustinL0926

JoeBob can just roleblock the most suspicious-seeming town member if he is scum.

I think I’d like to hear more from Austin as well. I know I was towing him earlier and he said he was busy but after the first day of arguing with savant he seems like he’s trying to let the attention shift a bit which I don’t like. I’m hoping he will be a bit more active today.

I'd be fine with that, but Austin doesn't want to lynch Moozer at the moment and I'd rather not be fighting another battle with him. Despite Moozer's low activity, I can't think of anyone else I'd feel safer lynching at the moment.

I'm inclined to townread JoeBob rn, but how does everyone else feel?

I unvoted you last night dude

also earth is better than me, and because of that he makes it last DP1 more often, and since he is better, he is more dangerous then me also I often get lynched DP1 for little to no reason, such as “puncuation”.

Casey can always push things in a different direction to prevent that, even by their vote alone. It comes off as somewhat safe, but I don't have a solid read on whether they would be likely to claim this as scum.

All right, Austin is definitely trying to expand POE, which is exactly what I expected he would do if he was scum. So yeah, I'm going to keep pushing him, and the more he tries to shift attention to Moozer the more confident I will be about this.

Calling it a night at this point. I've been sussing Moozer for a while, and frankly, so has Austin. As for seeking a mislynch on you, if that's his goal, it's not going to work. Doesn't seem like that's what he's doing, more like he's just trying to make sense of his interactions with you and considering different ways of viewing your behavior. It's a weird way for scum to behave, though it's also not particularly helpful.

Wait, you're actually buying Wylted's objection to my cop claim as a possibility? Wylted I understand because he's weird, but it doesn't make any sense for you to see me as a possible scum. This just justifies my decision to claim early even more, because claiming cop as scum would automatically be a huge risk, and no scum would claim cop after only two votes. This just seems like an attempt by Austin to expand the POE pool.

"was sussing Savant earlier for this but idk rly. It seems a bit contrived but I also think town is more likely to just put their thoughts out there whether good or bad."

I claimed after two votes, not one. Mostly because I thought I would eventually have to at least say I was confirmable or reveal something about my role (which has gotten me attacked the first night multiple times) and because I knew Austin is very aggressive and would likely pursue a lynch once his mind was made up like this. hClaiming early gets me a ton of town cred and lets me direct the lynch effort,  which has already revealed a lot about where Austin, Moozer, and wf stand.

You said you are 90% sure Austin is scum, so while it's not definite, if you are town, it's pretty likely that Austin is scum. I find it unlikely that you would be tunneling if you are this sure. I also find it unlikely that both of you are tunneling each other.

I have mixed feelings on the buddying so did not list it but I think it indicates that if austin is scum than lunatic is town.

So Austin is definitely scum. Let's review the evidence.

scum tell 1

Tow behaves differently when on their head is on the chopping block than scum. One scum tactic when their head is on the line is not to defend their evidence but gaslight their accuser by questioning their logic.  A more natural response to stupid logic is not really that aggressive or defensive. Here are gaslighting posts below;

post 227 " > I also voted you because WyIted also suspects you for other reasons, which in my view makes the case against you stronger. 

We should triple the US government's spending. Not really gonna specify my reasons, but in my view it makes the legislator's cases stronger"

Now this is poor logic by Savant, but the logic is strawmanned, not necessarily an issue, but the issue is gas lighting them and attacking their logic, instead of proclaiming your innocence or scum hunting

post 222 "Savant has literal zero basis for scumreading me and his recent posts prove it"

Who gives a shit. we all know that this is a bad way to defend yourself, but the issue is questioning the logic behind it. Most of us would say it is bad logic and move on or just say something like "fuck off I am innocent", and not elaborate. He isn't defending himself he is attacking.

post 206 questioning logic again not sum hunting or defending himself.

"Right, so the wagon on me is: 

 

-Savant (who's mad that I pointed out objectively scummy behavior) 

-Wylted (for reasons unknown) 

-Moozer (sheeping the above two)"

post 199 follows the same logic of attacking the logic of somebody who is on your wagon and gaslighting them.

Scum read reason 2

Austin is lying and we should lynch all liars

post 132 about Savant

"I scumread him because it looked like he was pretty much coasting on his "first to claim" thing which means close to nothing in terms of towncred imo yet apparently he thought it makes him unlynchable this DP? yea not rly sure where that comes from.  "

He scum reads savant, this is after placing his vote, so no reason to lie here.

post 137, he also doubles down that he had a scum read on savant

"lready said I scumread you because I felt you were coasting on your early claim in a way that didn't feel genuine. I asked you why because I wanted to see whether your reaction was coming from an informed ("oh no I've been caught but he doesn't know that") or uninformed ("I'm being pushed for no reason") perspective."

post 133, he claims to never scum read him and just be reaction testing. So he either lied about the mere reaction test or lied about scum reading him.

"Savant, why would you claim though? You only had two votes and mine was literally just a reaction test."

Scum read 3

Austin is trying to look like he is scum hunting by merely just making random comments about theory. We all go off on theory here and there but this feels like austin is trying to mimick being active.

post 158 "I actually disagree a bit with this imo - I think posting reads as you catch up is one of the best ways to let other players read you. Scum have the burden of too much information, which can sometimes show in an unnatural read progression."

This isn't scum hunting and it is fluff he does it more.

post 111, another excuse to talk theory instead of scum hunt to simulate activity

"Somehow missed this earlier. Although I can understand why you did this, I advise you not to do it in the future. Claiming a SOP role will always lead to measurable harm for town because it narrows the POE for scum to fire in. 

 

You have to weigh whether the benefit town gets from knowing the SOP is greater than this. I don't really think that's the case with this particular role, since if town is really so divided that we can't agree to a lynch after an entire day of discussion, then it's better to have a negative utility role eliminated for POE."

scum read 4

Scum have this tendency to make double statements that follow the pattern of this guy is scum but also he is town.

Post 149 "For the record, I think Savant is lean town for his role, but I feel he's vastly overreacting to a single vote on him and it makes me uncomfortable."

he leans town and scum. lets see how often this comes up. post 108, savant is also both town and suspicious allowing austin an out for a mislynch

"was sussing Savant earlier for this but idk rly. It seems a bit contrived but I also think town is more likely to just put their thoughts out there whether good or bad."

I'm not mad you voted me, I just think your reasoning for doing so was not very sound. You accused me of coasting on being the first claim, but it was early in the day phase with limited information.

I also voted you because WyIted also suspects you for other reasons, which in my view makes the case against you stronger.

Yeah deali.g with some stuff for a minute but working on it. I find it odd though that you don't find his response to pressure as suspicious. 

I'm referring to him attacking Moozer and the people voting against him rather than explaining why he himself is likely town. And of course he gives a reasonable-sounding reason for that, that's how scum Austin would OMGUS.

This is part of why I scum read you. You immediately went to attacking people who voted against you instead of explaining why you are likely town. At this point, I want at least a role claim.

Is there any reason why Austin would respect you more than anyone else here? 

Is he intimidated by you for some reason that you can sense?

Like maybe he perceives you as socially dominant or he thinks of you as a God of mafia and that is why he would be really worried about you?

I agree with this. I unvoted because I was going to investigate Austin and didn't want scum framing him. But if you're onboard with this, it increases my suspicions. I wouldn't be OMGUSing him if I didn't think he was a very good player. He's almost never been wrong with accusations before in my experience, so yeah, if it looks like he was breadcrumbing an accusation against me, and I'm not scum, that looks suspicious.

Honestly, I kinda would prefer a VTNL here, but that's not going to happen. I'll just vote with the majority, which seems to be leaning toward Austin for now.

As a general rule, it’s best to post reads after you catch up. Saying that you’d effectively consider Savant to be your top scumread after he claimed Cop stands out, especially since it came a while after he claimed.