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@WyIted
@JoeBob
Please explain how lynching a mechanically likely PR is a good idea. That's all I want.
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@Greyparrot
@Bullish
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@JoeBob
Vote Count (per someone's request)Wylted (2/4) - Greyparrot, BestKoreaJoeBob (1/4) - PieBestKorea (1/4) - JoeBob-[MHARMAN]
Joebob is already voting BK. Tell me how asking him to vote BK isn't a scumslip?
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@WyIted
I'm about 2 milliseconds away from voting you. I sincerely hope you're scum because there's no way you can be throwing this hard as town.
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@JoeBob
Ok, by this point, I am 80% certain that the 2 scum are out of Wylted, Pie, and Bullish (and potentially GP).
Look at Pie and Wylted's interactions. They have been leading town in circles all game and taking the path of least resistance in order to appear active. They are searching for the easiest lynch they can find and justify. Look at how quickly the lynch on 7k developed on day 1. Does that seem natural to you? Town players are hesitant; and they should be, because THEY CAN NEVER BE SURE who is mafia.
Furthermore, look how Pie in particular constantly redirects attention to try and get what he wants: a BK or you lynch.
You all need to say what y’all want to do. Especially you Austin because I townread you
This post raised a red flag the moment I saw it. Pie is never this nice (no offense Pie). He is trying to buddy me because townies like to be townread, because being townread means that the other person must be on their side, right?
There's a lot more but I want to get this posted before something dumb happens. But TLDR: Pie and Wylted are taking the path of least resistance to appear town, not actually helping town.
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@WyIted
almost home. want to hear ur reads on pie. also skeptical ab vtl joe, maybe if only choice.
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BTW, I will be gone for most of tomorrow morning. Don't do anything especially stupid while I'm gone, we still have over a day and a half left.
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@ILikePie5
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I'm not going to reply to all that individually, but I'll buy it for now. If JoeBob flips innocent, then the lynch is between you and Wylted tmrw.
Also in case you didn’t know, a PR is a non vanilla role.
MB, wasn't aware of that. Yes, I am a non-vanilla role.
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@Bullish
In light of the new information here, I'd like to hear some of your reads.
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@ILikePie5
It was the 4 of us.
You and Wylted were clearly leading the lynch, you're the two most active players here.
So you’re not a PR and you’re defending BK on a hunch about multiple PRs without even knowing mine or Bullish’s role?
It's pretty obvious that you're not a PR at this point, you would have just claimed it when I defended BK on the basis of there being more than 1 PR. I did mess up by not waiting for Bullish, but we'll see about their role.
Alright so you never responded earlier. What about me is scummy.
-Your interactions with Wylted raise a huge red flag. You've been alternating between ignoring him, making flufftalk, and diverting attention from him. Then suddenly, you two decide in unison to try and get a lynch on BK despite the fact that even without my evidence, he claimed a protective role (a given in these kinds of setups) without a CC. I literally see zero reason to lynch a player mechanically likely to be town based instead of Joe, who admitted to hammering someone he thought was town.
And while ur at it, why I’m curious to hear why Bullish is town to you?
I don't think they're town, I think they're null.
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Pie <-most scummy
Joebob
Wylted
GP <- null
Bullish
BK <- most towny
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@ILikePie5
Ok, I admit that I should have waited before you and Bullish softclaimed before outing my role PM. That's my bad. But you and Wylted were practically threatening to lynch BK right then and there.
Also kind of weird you are just randomly assuming I am a PR just because I got extra information in my role PM.
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
I was going to say it's not from a behavioral perspective, but I suppose that makes it pretty obvious it has to do with my role one way or another. I am like 80% sure one of you is scum, but it looks like BK is heading for a lynch, so I guess I'll do it.
My PM mentions town PRs, plural. No other town players have claimed a PR, so the only possibility of there being more than one town PR is whiteflame + BK.
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Player: Character: Role: Votes: Night Actions: Other Notes:
1. Best.Korea Ori and... Doctor Protect Bullish
2. Greyparrot FNAF? Vanilla D1 7k
3. ILikePie5 D1 7k
4. Wylted Undertale Vanilla D1 7k
5. Bullish D1 7k
6. AustinL0926
7. JoeBob Coffee Talk Vanilla D1 7k Last vote on 7k
8. 7000series Untitled Goose Vanilla D1 Joe
9. Whiteflame Papers Please Cop
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On second thought, put Pie above GP. I don't like his interactions with Wylted.
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I will say right now that I have some very strong reasons to believe BK is town, but would prefer to wait until we decide on a lynch to reveal.
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Right now, my current list of reads in descending order of scumminess is:
Joebob <-most scummy
Wylted
GP
Bullish <- null
Pie
BK <- most townie
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@WyIted
I would personally advise against it.
Also, why are you ignoring that BK has claimed doc and no one has counterclaimed, not even a similar protective role? In such a small, non-role madness game, it would be ridiculous for town not to have at least 1 protective role.
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@Bullish
1. Why so?
2. So do I, but it's so ridiculously over-the-top I find myself townreading him
3. He did that last game in My Favorite Anime Characters mafia, he motivated whiteflame for literally no reason, even though that could've given scum an extra NK.
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@JoeBob
Who would you say are the most likely scum players right now, and why? Just give a few people and give some evidence why, doesn't have to be an in-depth investigation.
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@JoeBob
In general, talking more is always a pro-town action. If you believe you are town and you act accordingly, you will be townread.
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Not much I could do to fight against it. You would have better points and convince everyone to vote me.
I find this really weird, last game Joebob was trying really hard the whole DP to make a difficult decision between RM and Pie, this kind of defeatist attitude sets off some alarm bells.
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@Bullish
What makes BK especially scummy to you, as compared to Joebob?
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I'm also pretty sure mafia has some sort of PR to prevent a Follow the Cop strat, maybe a x1 strongman or x1 roleblocker or whatever.
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For what it's worth, I took a look at Mharman's previous setup, Conspiracy Theory Mafia, and it would seem to match up pretty closely:
Town has a Cop + Doc and a bunch of vanillas.
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Doesn't look like much interesting stuff happened. I'm not going to argue further with BK about this, since they did eventually pressure Joe.
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Player: Character: Role: Votes: Night Actions: Other Notes:
1. Best.Korea Ori and... Doctor Protect Bullish
2. Greyparrot FNAF? Vanilla D1 7k
3. ILikePie5 D1 7k
4. Wylted Undertale Vanilla D1 7k
5. Bullish D1 7k
6. AustinL0926
7. JoeBob Coffee Talk Vanilla D1 7k Last vote on 7k
8. 7000series Untitled Goose Vanilla
9. Whiteflame Papers Please Cop
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@Best.Korea
Wylted may be scummy, but there's no reason not to pressure JoeBob to some extent as well, considering he admitted to bumping off someone he considered innocent.
And going out of character for a moment, "don't target new players" is a bad policy, and it won't help them either. I've done a lot of competitive activities in my life, the one common denominator is that the fastest way to start winning is to start losing.
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Player: Character: Role: Votes: Night Actions: Other Notes:
1. Best.Korea Ori and... Doctor Protect Bullish
2. Greyparrot FNAF? Vanilla D1 7k
3. ILikePie5 D1 7k
4. Wylted Undertale Vanilla D1 7k
5. Bullish D1 7k
6. AustinL0926
7. JoeBob D1 7k Last vote on 7k
8. 7000series Untitled Goose Vanilla
9. Whiteflame Papers Please Cop
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Since we're on the topic of theming, I just want to note that my game is really not a traditional indie game. Thus, I think BK's claim is probably legit, even despite the controversies over whether it is indie.
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@WyIted
Huh, now that I realize it, that does sound exactly like FNAF.
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@WyIted
I see, that does make sense.
However, how do you know GP is FNAF? Can you point to a specific post where he softclaimed it?
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@WyIted
I see, that does make sense.
However, how do you know GP is FNAF? Can you point to a specific post where he softclaimed it?
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@WyIted
If scum did do something like role cop somebody and see they are invincible or something like that it could explain why BK would think doctor was a safe claim.
Please clarify what you mean by this.
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@WyIted
Why would you assume its a mod mistake? You yourself pointed out that justifications don't always make sense.
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also BK's "shot in the dark" at protecting Bullish also seems consistent with their meta, I remember he randomly motivated whiteflame in the My Favorite Anime Characters mafia.
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@WyIted
That's fair, I'll drop that line of inquiry for now.
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I kinda buy BK's claim if only because Ori and the Blind Forest is an excellent choice to represent an indie game. Justification is a stretch, but they usually are in themed games.
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@ILikePie5
@Best.Korea
@WyIted
Help me pressure Joebob
unvote
because I don't want to accidentally cause a hammer
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@JoeBob
Just to clarify....
You were worried about being read as scum... so you voted someone who you thought was innocent... and admitted to it... to avoid being read as scum.
VTL Joebob (for pressure)
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