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@TheUnderdog
Drugs for kids take away security, but not freedom.
Freedom greatly depends upon security.
You do not have much freedom if you die early, since all of your choices that you could have had would disappear.
In fact, being alive is a condition for having freedom in the first place.
Well, you are a big advocate of making the age of consent 5 or something like that (which is a pretty extreme case). I think sex is comparably addictive to something like alcohol and young people should stay away from them both.
Well, I am not sure if I wanna debate that, but fine.
I am not for "age of consent in a sense that children can consent to anything and anything consensual should be allowed".
In fact, I think the age of consent for sex should be 15 or 16.
Age of consent for some other sexual activities should be lower.
For example, masturbation is healthy, and its one of the safest sexual activities, so there is no reason to ban it.
If a map masturbates in front of a child, he is punished, even if he didnt touch the child.
Also, plenty of people try to stop children from masturbating.
There is too much violation of freedom in the world, and people often get blinded by desire to control everything.
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@TheUnderdog
There are, of course, freedoms which every child should have.
Its common in parenting to let children pick what they will wear, what they will eat, who will they be friends with, let them have some money to spend as they wish...
These are all usually positive freedoms which empower children as individuals.
About life changing freedoms, its questionable and there can be debates about it, but it is commonly understood that drugs take away freedom, and so does tobacco.
For example, people who smoke tobacco dont usually start it because they wanna kill themselves, but death is the common result of smoking tobacco.
But this isnt topic meant for debating extreme cases, just to point out that child's choices need to be respected too if there is going to be a society based on freedom.
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@WyIted
What if you also teach him mocking homosexuals is wrong?
So you are mocking homosexuals while teaching that its wrong to mock homosexuals?
Well, so far what happened is that gays get mocked and excluded as a result.
Having gay friends is actually lots of fun, and homosexuality is on the rise in popularity, so I dont see the point of teaching a kid that homosexuality is wrong.
If he is straight, he will be straight anyway, and if he is gay, it will hurt him.
Also just for clarification, I didn't call homosexuality a sin. I called homosexual behavior a sin.
Well, one often comes with another.
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@WyIted
Ah I see, you are one of those who assume
"To give freedom = let them die in an accident".
Obviously, the conclusion doesnt follow, as letting children die in an accident destroys their freedom, it doesnt uphold it.
You accussed me of having libertarian views, which I consider an insult to my intelligence.
Really, a libertarian doesnt even understand how society works or how society survives.
Freedom means, according to commonly understood meaning, greatest equal options.
To achieve that, survival is necessary except in cases of voluntary self-termination.
Now, when I say that children should have freedom, I mean that children should be given a choice and options, like anyone else.
Just as we would save anyone else from dying in an accident, so we would save children.
Now, what I oppose to is "parent-commander" person who assumes they can:
1. Control what child says
2. Control how child behaves
3. Control what child eats
4. Force child to do things child doesnt want to do
Greatest equal options do not eliminate parent's need to care for children.
Quite the opposite, greatest equal options are not really possible if children arent cared for.
Libertarians (yuck) interpreted greatest equal freedom as "freedom of parents not to feed children",
a dumb interpretation, one must say.
In fact, it achieves opposite of greatest equal freedom, but libertarians arent exactly famous for bright ideas.
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@WyIted
he knows that homosexual behavior is a sin
I was mocked for being gay in school, and I am less than 50% gay, so I assume that total gays have an even harder time in school.
There is simply no way for you to teach a kid that homosexuality is a sin without that kid later mocking gays in his school.
This is why being straight is evil in most cases.
I say in most cases, because I assume there are some straight people who arent evil. Well, I never met any, but I am pretty sure they are out there somewhere.
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@Amber
And do you know that there needs to be a ' in did not (didn't) and a ' in are not (aren't)?
No, I obviously dont know.
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@Amber
It was an observation.
Ah I see.
You think "if observation, then "not insult"".
False as usual, but okay.
No, I did not present an argument.
Well stated.
What was provided was EVIDENCE
Random links arent evidence.
You gotta say what the link states.
No one is gonna open your links if you wont bother to explain what they say.
I didnt even look at your links and I wont even open them, and I doubt anyone else will either.
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@Sidewalker
Of course.
North Korea is a necrocracy.
You remain president even after you die, and you must be worshipped forever and the statues of you must be made so that people can pray to you.
The only one able to overwrite your commands is the living president, the current God Commander Kim Jong Un.
Its a complicated system, but it seems to work better than whatever they had in USSR.
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@Mall
Sure, I anyway planned to forfeit our other debate.
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@Greyparrot
Sigmund Freud
No, I dont want his opinion.
sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
So sometimes its not?
Really gotta stop getting knowledge from people who died before AI was invented, unless those people are Karl Marx of course.
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@Greyparrot
I was just making an observation.
Thats a lie.
Its called "leading people to conclusion".
You wanted to make it seem like we dont want people to have healthcare, shelter or food.
Nice try.
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@Greyparrot
kids don't even know what to be "straight" means
Yeah, its very complicated.
Hitler was straight.
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@Greyparrot
They only know it's a bad thing
And in most cases, they would be right.
there's no reward for it.
Really? You think there should be a reward for straight like there is for gay?
No.
Only gay gets reward.
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@Greyparrot
You can argue that having food, shelter, and sundries that help mental health like entertainment all fall under "healthcare"
I believe people should have food, shelter and entertainment.
I like how you just assumed that I dont believe that?
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@Greyparrot
Lol, with today's classroom environment, kids are afraid to admit they are straight....
Being straight is not wrong.
Just because there are plenty of bad straight people doesnt mean they are all bad.
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I think that children should have freedom.
The thinking is simple.
If you say:
"I have a right to tell a child what to do."
I ask:
"Is this a child you own? Is this child your property?"
If the answer is no, then I dont see why would you be able to command someone who is not even your property.
If the answer is yes, then you support slavery.
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this clown defending humping animals or Best.Korea defending pedophilia.Both are very mentally disturbed and should seek professional help. Anyone who defensed those inhumane things should.
How rude.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I maintain that:1. Bestiality is not inherently immoral
I can agree with that.
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I am 20% trans because I have long hair.
But I am not 100% trans.
There is a percentage.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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@WyIted
left winning will cause them to be start moving really fast into their plot to trans all kids
Thats a lie.
Left doesnt plot to trans all kids.
Its highly unlikely but possible that all people are actually gay and trans, just afraid to admit it.
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@Greyparrot
Taylor Swift is destined to win it all in the end.
Thats a lie.
Kim Jong Un is destined to win.
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@Greyparrot
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@Greyparrot
this means you plan on voting for Trump.
Can I vote for Kim Jong Un instead?
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Here are 5 reasons to vote for Biden:
1. He is beating Russia
2. He fixed the economy after Trump screwed up
3. He gave plenty of help to ordinary people
4. He wants to increase taxes on the rich
5. Biden is not racist
6. Biden is not my candidate, but he is the democracy.
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@FLRW
I feel like there is plenty of food in nature, as long as you dodge the poisonous things.
There should really be more research on pine tree needles, because I am not sure what amount is safe.
I know they contain tannins, which could be toxic in greater amount.
But for comparison, tea contains tannins too.
Its really about how much is too much.
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It is clear that during spring, summer and fall there are many sources of food in the wild which can be used for survival.
But during winter, there is almost nothing green.
I say almost.
Pine tree needles remain green even during winter.
Now, many sources say that they contain vitamin C, which is good because you are not going to find many sources of that vitamin in winter.
But I was wondering, do they have calories?
Calories which are useful for humans come in four forms:
protein, fat, sugar and alcohol.
Some sources say that pine tree needles have up to 8% protein.
Now, 8% would be 8 grams of protein in 100 grams of pine tree needles.
1 gram of protein is 4 calories.
So 8 grams of protein would have about 32 calories.
They also contain fat, which could add more to calories.
Pine trees are available in winter, and for the whole year.
However, there is a question of if they would be a significant food source.
Because usually, a source of calories must satisfy 3 standards:
1. That it contains enough calories per 100 grams
2. That it weighs enough
3. That you can eat it in an amount which gives you lots of calories
3 is most important. Even if 1 and 2 is satisfied, 3 could be unsatisfied.
At my best guess, pine tree needles have about 50 calories per 100 grams.
Since they are tiny, one would assume that they dont weigh much,
but one could also say that their water content would add to weight.
Mililiters are a meassure of volume.
Water weighs about 100 grams per 100 mililiters, so assuming 70% water content, 100 mililiters of blended pine tree needles would weigh at least 70 grams.
Of course, when not blended, it has greater volume since air fills empty space.
Another question is: are pine tree needles harmful in greater amount?
The answer would probably be yes at some amount, but exact amount is unknown because pine tree needles dont have people willing to eat lots of them to prove how much is too much.
People mostly use pine tree needles to make tea full of vitamin C, and certain guides say that you can chew pine tree needles to get vitamin C.
Of course, always make sure to identify the tree properly.
Yew tree is poisonous, for example.
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Donald Trump is the greatest president.
He did have greatest disapproval rate.
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@Amber
Throwing around insults in question form?
And the person you are trying to insult is one of the top debaters.
And you didnt even present an argument, but a link.
Do you know that links arent arguments?
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What is the purpose of a brain?
To learn and to create new knowledge based on learned knowledge.
You are your brain.
That is your purpose.
I noticed that the more you learn, you open new paths which you didnt know before.
In fact, many things are related, and learning about one thing can make you realize new knowledge about other things, since knowledge about one thing can be applied to other thing as well.
Brain constantly learns, but brain must first learn about things which interest it, and then move on to other things.
Since the brain is made to learn, it means you are made to learn.
And in this century, learning is easy.
You have google and AI willing to explain anything to you.
Its on you to write down and learn.
Writing down is important, because human brain forgets some things or fails to remember them correctly.
The amount of knowledge in the world is great, and each person is interested in something.
So to learn what you are interested in is your purpose!
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I have asked God to show himself to me many times.
He wont do it.
However, to my great surprise, any time I ask Gods for something, it comes true.
I asked Gods to give me knowledge of debating, and to great surprise, it happened.
It took years, but it happened.
I asked God to give me knowledge of words and poems, and it happened.
I asked God to give me knowledge of gardening, and eventually I got the knowledge I wanted.
I asked God to give me knowledge of wild edibles, and to my great surprise, I got great amount of knowledge just few years after I asked God.
Now, these above may be the result of my determination and research, but lets face it, the determination I have could be a gift from Gods.
Other people dont have determination that I have.
In fact, other people give up very fast, where I do research until I succeed, even if I fail 1000 times before that.
I am simply willing to fail 1000 times to succeed once.
The only question remains is which God gave me that determination, because there are over 3000 revealed Gods, and many hate each other.
This is why I am a polytheist.
I pray to many Gods, to both Satan and Jesus, the ancient Gods, the first Gods...
I simply do it because I have nothing to lose by praying, but I seem to have significant success since I started with praying.
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@Greyparrot
You may think that, but thats irrelevant, since its based on false assumption that someone other than government should have weapons because government is most likely to commit the most mayhem and death.
US citizens have guns, so do Russians, and their governments are not as peaceful as peaceful government of Japan, despite that Japanese citizens have almost no guns.
So one can conclude that giving citizens guns is not exactly a good idea, unless you want more deaths and more civil wars.
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I oppose to all guns except the ones used by government's self defense military.
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I dont see why would anyone make a big deal out of calling people the way they want to be called.
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@Mall
Why do you think they request strictly to only be identified in third person as they and them?What is the significance of that specifically?
Would you like if I called you a girl, when you want to be called a guy?
Everyone wants to be called the way they like.
Human society is far from perfect, but we do get closer to perfection when people can choose their labels,
as opposed to labels being assigned to them by others.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Raspberries do look ugly, especially at time when they dont have leaves.
I grow them in bush form, which makes them even uglier, since I just let them grow any way they want.
But its worth it.
Raspberry berries are very expensive, and I get them for basically free.
The only downside is that picking takes a long time, but you can eat while you pick so its really just standing and eating, not actual work.
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Many people think that growing food is hard, but that really depends on which food are you growing.
Years ago, I planted few raspberry plants.
Planting them took almost no effort.
However, since then, they produced raspberries, but also they spread.
They went from just few plants to hundreds of them on their own.
Raspberries are considered an invasive species due to how quickly they spread around on their own.
I did skip picking them for a year, so they spread even more through seed.
Raspberries spread not just by seeds, but raspberry plant also multiplies itself on its own even without seeds,
as plant sends shoots underground which grow and become new plants.
The only real job with raspberries is picking them.
I have done no work around them for years. They grow, spread and produce raspberries on their own.
Raspberries are food commonly found in nature.
It is considered to be one of main sources of food of first humans, due to its high sugar content and plenty of calories.
It seems that humanity is supposed to restore natural food, because it saves the environment.
If you think about it, to grow vegetables or grains, you must till and disturb the soil each year.
But to grow trees or raspberries, one must just plant them once, and after that soil does not need to be disturbed anymore ever again.
Also, when you dont disturb soil, you get additional benefit of having natural vegetables, such as dandelions, growing everywhere on their own.
So you kinda get a win-win scenario, as not only do you turn land into area where basically free food grows all the time waiting to be picked, but you do not have any expenses either, as you do not pay for tilling, but additionally, its good for the environment.
The method of food production where you combine nut trees, fruit trees and raspberries and wild edibles seems to recreate first human's natural food sources.
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@Cougarbear121212
In the name of the Dragon,
I invoke Lucifer,
Lord of the Trident,
He who guides the Ascending Soul on the path of the Gods,
Phosphoros, the Light Bearer!
Dark God of the Qliphoth!
Open the way to your stellar realm,
Come from the Throne of Thaumiel,
Through the gates of the Void,
Into this Temple of Flames.
Lord of the Night,
Open the gates to the Path of the Dragon,
And reveal to me secrets lost and forgotten,
The wisdom of primordial Gods!
Lord of Darkness and Light,
I invite you to enter this flesh,
I call you to my body, my mind and my soul,
I welcome you in my heart!
Lord of Ascending Flame,
Open for me the way to your Throne,
Show me the keys to your Stellar Gates,
And guide me on the paths of limitless power!
Lord of Thaumiel,Ignite the fire of my soul,
So that I may rise forged in your flames,
As a living grail of your Immortal Essence,
From the bonds of flesh to the heart of your Golden Throne!
Emperor of Darkness and Flame,
Empower and protect my soul,
So that I may arise as a living vessel of Draconian Gnosis!
Great Horned King,Enter this flesh which I offer you as a temple,
And let your immortal blood flow through my veins!
Lucifer, Lord of Ascending Flame,Let your Fire burn forever in my soul!
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I believe in Zeus.
Until someone shows me proof that Zeus doesnt exist, I will keep believing in Zeus, protector of the wronged.
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@Cougarbear121212
There doesn't have to be a beginning nor and end.
Yeah, sadly the entire observed world disagrees with you.
It's possible to prove logically that there is no smallest number.
Yeah, irrelevant claim where you assume world is in some logical conjunction with your math.
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@Cougarbear121212
There are 8.1 billion of your kind of life forms. 99.99999% of them don't try to stop having children.
True, but I dont copy 99% of people, nor would it be good to.
To be Christian means to support multiplying and replenishing the earth. That's a good thing. Keeping the commandments is always a good thing. And, no one is being lured into anything like they are lured into LGBTQ brainwashing schemes.
Those are just bunch of assumptions.
Also, the idea that Christian brainwashing of kids is better than LGBT brainwashing is nonsense.
You cant seem to make up your mind on if Christians are or arent teaching kids their world views.
You claim that no one is being lured into anything in Christianity, but since you are luring kids to follow your values, one can say that it is indeed luring.
I mean, you even have to lie about hell and heaven to get them to obey you.
Now, of course, you dont see it that way, because in your world view, when you do it, its not wrong.
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@Cougarbear121212
The LGBTQ crowd had been infiltrated by the population control freaks attempting to lure kids into believing they are homosexuals
Really?
How is that better from priest attempting to lure kids into believing they are christians?
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@Cougarbear121212
Do you know of any life form that doesn't attempt to multiply and replenish itself?
Yeah.
Me.
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@Cougarbear121212
No, homosexual behaviors is a mental change from normal human behavior to multiply and replenish the earth.
What makes you think that multiplying is a normal behavior?
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The beauty of life is in variety.
If everyone was smart like me, I wouldnt feel any special, although we would be living in a perfect world.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You cant say that.
Its not allowed to say that.
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Bible is a book of slavery.
They are slaves to God, government, masters, parents...
In fact, nothing in Bible even implies free thinking.
Most of the Bible teaches obedience.
Obey this, obey that...
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"Iron armor made with conviction and courage
Our tanks go forward
If the enemy provokes our bravery
The enemy camp will become sea of fire
We are the brave Korean tankists
And the breakthrough to annihilation is ours
The steel armor is the wings of the storm
The cannon strikes like fists
The heaven lake trembles to the sound
Of our victory cry
We stand up for the final battle
And our tanks will stand at any time
The thunders will punish invading hordes
For the motherland is a safe fortress
Lets go towards our goals without hesitation
Chew and spit them all
We are the brave Korean tankists
We raise the victory flag
And the tanks will raise at any time"
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@Mall
Speechless again.
Yes.
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