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@ADreamOfLiberty
If the end of life was a freely chosen value, it's end is an expression of liberty.
Except we dont know if a person will change his opinion in the future. So naturally, letting him take his life would mean destroying his future liberty in which he is not willing to take his own life. When we compare the two liberties, present and future, it is obvious that the future one is better. So really, precenting suicide is there to allow better liberty to the person later.
Also, suicide is not just self-destruction. It destroys others too. First, it destroys children that a person would have if he didnt commit suicide. Plus, it destroys the labor that would have sustained more life.
it is incorrect to say the dead are being oppressed because they are dead
Well, we could say that being dead is bad. Otherwise, why would murder be a crime?
If there is no mind left there is no self-determination to violate
You cannot violate that which is already violated to the maximum by being destroyed.
If it was there would be no moral way to go on a suicide mission to protect liberty.
There would, however, be a moral way to go on a suicide mission to protect life.
Liberty is less important than life, since without life there is no liberty.
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@badger
My girlfriend brought me a couple bottles of her dad's homemade Limoncino from Italy over easter,
Wait, is it legal to make alcohol at home in Italy?
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Why is there no black color in rainbow? ☹
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@Greyparrot
MSNBC fanchick
I guess he learned from woke Mao:
"Support everything the enemy opposes".
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@PREZ-HILTON
The fact any would want to, means they are likely groomers
Teaching kids about perversions = perverted kids.
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That’s the point of this site. To read people’s posts and comment on how stupid they are.
lol
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Anyone who says "both parents should be working" is an idiot.
If both parents work, then who raises kids? Babysitter? Yeah, great thinking, really.
Honestly, the stupidity of today's people is beyond belief. Thats why this society cant survive.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I can prove to you (and everyone else) that they value their own liberty.
Yes, but valuing liberty over life sometimes results in destruction of life and then the liberty gets destroyed too.
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More rainbow
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@zedvictor4
I dont feel so young anymore.
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Call the rainbow fleet on them 🌈🚀
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You can't prove to me that I value life
Well, that is true. Valuing life is not present in every human or every other being.
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@badger
You seem judgmental. I will report you to the rainbow police.
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@badger
She is a female though
Yeah, thats bad. Females dont belong in the rainbow 🌈
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If they only had the ideology of the rainbow 🌈, everything would be fine.
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"An 11-year-old Connecticut girl deals for two years with an extreme addiction to Instagram and Snapchat before spiraling into insomnia and depression that leads her to take her own life. These harrowing cases, reported last year by Bloomberg, are among hundreds of private lawsuits filed against social networks in recent months."
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When you hang a man, bomb his country and kill 1 million of his people, the least you can do is question his origins.
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@oromagi
@Double_R
Common guys, let us defend our rainbow ideology 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
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Aliens are gonna die when they encounter queer rainbow ideology 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
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I just wanna look like the unicorn threw me up. 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
If I cant do that, whats the point of free speech?
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I cant mass debate. My brain has limited debating power. I get tired just from one long debate.
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"Daddy called me a democrat"
"He called me a democrat"
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@Intelligence_06
“Morality is objective for only humans" and "morality is objective" are two different claims, with the first one true NOT guaranteeing the second one true.
I believe I never claimed the first one. I said humans could have different objective laws of morality from other species.
However, laws of morality of all species would still be objective and would exist irrelevant of opinion, just they would be different laws for different species.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Values are values whether they are held for one second or one millennium
So we could say a millennium is longer than one second. Therefore, they are not the same. So if valuing life lasts longer and is in greater amount compared to not valuing life, the first is much better.
everyone sane values humans more than ants
True. Unless, of course, a certain human group becomes so bad. Then people value them less than they value ants.
None that I have ever met have been able to prove the value is universal no matter the degree nor target
Well, the universal value is a bit tricky. You cant value all life equally. But you can, for example, have value such as "increase human life".
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Self-determination is more important to a suicidal person than life, and that's their life.
Yes, but such self-determination destroys itself, leaving nothing. So we could say that his morality commits suicide with him, and becomes nothing.
I asked about life in the abstract. Why should I care if ants die?
Well, why care about an ant? You shouldnt care too much about an ant, since caring too much about an ant is bad for human population. Human population actually kills lots of ants in order to survive, as agriculture destroys ant's nests. However, if you see an ant, should you step on it? I would say no. After all, the ant is not harming your life or life of other humans, and stepping on him would not save any lives.
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@Kaitlyn
I think telling schizophrenics the voices in their heads are real isn't treating them with basic dignity and respect.
No. You cant decide whats real. They arent hurting anyone. Maybe they are trying to be our friends and we make them sad by being mean to them. You dont know how they feel. All they need is love.
Likewise, we shouldn't tell transgender people that they are the opposite of the biological sex they were born.
Maybe the person has 2 sexes. 1 biological and 1 non-biological. I think both sexes are equally valid. I dont remember reading in biology that person can only have 1 sex at the time. I think the person can have up to 60 sexes at the same time. I dont see why the limit would be just one.
For example, I have a penis and I can produce sperm, therefore I am male. However, I am also a female because I feel like I have a vagina. I feel like I can get pregnant. Therefore, you should respect my feelings and admit that I am female in my feelings.
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Colors. Colors everywhere. Also, not sure why would the confederate rise. I am rather certain that not many people want to actually turn USA into confederacy. Actually, I am rather certain that most people dont want USA to be split into sovereign states.
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@FLRW
Well, that will be useful for one of my other debates.
Lesotho accepted pro-gay laws and protects gays, so I am not really sure if they are being consistent with their religion that demands the death of gays.
Those 10 countries dont punish homosexuality at all, which is why their suicide rates are so high.
Homosexuality + psychology + corrupt government + some other abominations = shitty society.
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8 dollars? Well, I wouldnt know since I dont have a twitter account right now.
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UBI? Yeah, cool.
The main problem with UBI as opposed to charity is that UBI pays for more than just basic needs and pays money to everyone.
I guess it is good to be giving mothers the money so they could be raising children instead of working.
It is good to give poor people food, water, clothes and house. However, giving them too much money? Probably a bit bad idea.
I see a lot of capitalists seeking workers, so I am a bit sure that for some people unemployment is a choice.
Sure, the capitalists are often shitty people and they abuse workers a bit too much, but that doesnt change the idea that unemployment is sometimes a choice and not something an individual is forced into.
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@Intelligence_06
Oh, so you are essentially disregarding the possibility of non-human civilization by equating interpersonal with objective. In your domain, you are not wrong;
Non-human civilizations? I thought we were talking about objective laws for humans? However, the non-human civilizations also have their own objective laws of morality.
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@Intelligence_06
Every society has objective moral laws for survival that they must follow to increase their chances of survival. The less they follow the objective moral laws, fewer is their society in number.
One must note that objective moral laws for survival of an individual are different from objective moral laws for survival of society as a whole and its increase in number. Both laws exist, and cannot be changed in any way by human opinion.
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@zedvictor4
So don't blame the government for everythingBlame your parents and the priest
Well, one spends more time in school than in church.
So yes, I gonna blame decade of school for what it produced: a society of obedient dogs.
Sure, sometimes people criticize the government.
Sometimes dog barks at the owner. Still sits down when told to sit down, like a good doggie 🐕
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@IlDiavolo
to me everyone's opinions matter
Well, surely some matter more than the others?
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@zedvictor4
And for sure, formative indoctrination is unavoidable. It's the nature of society.
Yes. Thats why your society behaves the way they were taught in school.
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@zedvictor4
And if one thing has become apparent from discussions with American students is that they were taught to think inside boxes.
Well, yes, the education system isnt there to make you critical of government, but to make you obedient to the government.
Thats why the school teaches you that you must sit down when you are told to, stand up only when you are commanded to, speak only when you are allowed to. You know, like a good dog.
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@Greyparrot
Thats what we get for believing that gender is a social construct.
The LGBT keeps doing worse and worse things and keeps justifying them.
Whats next?
We already have trans gender, trans species... so I guess the next logical thing is trans age.
I identify as a 70 year old. Can I get my retirement now?
Wait, you can change gender, but not age? Well, that sounds unfair. Lets change that.
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@IlDiavolo
I have less intelligence than asians, shorter penis than blacks, I get to be charged and hated for the crimes committed by my ancestors, and if I say that I am not guilty then I am obviously a racist defending racism.
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@IlDiavolo
I dont think so. I am more white than most whites. I am as pale as a zombie.
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Also, wouldnt trying to be less white mean that I am racist against my own race?
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@IlDiavolo
Some white people have been racist towards black people.
Thats why its natural response for black people to think its wrong for me to be white.
Well, okay. I would paint myself black, but that would be cultural appropriation, so I cant.
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@zedvictor4
I thought you talked about masturbation lol
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Terry and His Magic Cactus have confidence in each other, which is good for their relationship.
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It only took them a couple of broken skulls in competition to realize that men are much stronger than women.
While I am not a fan of sports, watching men beat up women that way, even in sports, is disgusting.
Might as well say we are acting like cavemen in 21 century.
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Yes.
Barney and Whiteflame are most active moderators.
Wylted brought many updates that improved the site, doing effort to include user's opinions.
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@Intelligence_06
Subsidizing wont solve anything.
If I am payed 500$ for second child, but I have to pay 100,000$ in total for child expenses over 18 years, I am still not motivated to have children.
The problems today, everyone knows. Children are no longer humble and obedient. They want best toys, best phones, expensive computers, best clothes, later college and what not.
It just doesnt work anymore. One person can comfortably live with an average wage. However, average wage is quickly spent if you have 2 spoiled children.
Replacement rate is 2.1 children per woman. So couples need at least 2 children to maintain population.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Back in the day the trolly problem answer was ALWAYS , Pull the lever and kill one person instead of five.
Yeah, because the idea of saving 1 life instead of 5 lives sounds wrong.
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