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@Intelligence_06
So suppose I have a parasite on my body that is killing me but not so much so I am still barely alive, I shouldn't get chemotherapy. ?
I believe the parasite is not a human life? While I do have respect for non-human life forms, I dont exactly trade human life for that of a worm. Therefore, anything that diminishes human life is bad. So yes, if a parasite decreases life by making work impossible, the parasite is harming human life.
You are discussing cases where population is good. It isn't necessarily.
Population is always good. Unless of course, you hate life. Do you hate life? Is life good or bad?
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@Intelligence_06
In China, Japan and Korea, life has been on average so stressful
Well, in south Korea, yes, because they are an inferior Korea. Plus, they know if war breaks out, their country ceases to exist. Not exactly a big motivation to live. Plus, the mandatory military service? Yikes. If I had to serve in the military, I would lose the will to live.
China and Japan? I dont know much about japan's stress. I thought that Japan was a solid country living somewhat healthy lifestyle. I guess I was wrong about that.
I am not sure why would China be stressed tho. The covid had an effect, I understand, but doesnt China promote family values? Or are children becoming too expensive and undesirable there too?
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@Kaitlyn
Asian men are not particularly desirable on the global market (geeky stereotype, smaller penises, smaller average height etc.)
I guess they should introduce forced marriages, because 2 incher is not exactly a winner in free competition.
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@Iwantroosevelt
Was the white girl shot after knocking on the black man’s door and he overreacted due to the constant fear mongering about white girls in this country?
What? What does that even mean?
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@PREZ-HILTON
I did say "moral duty". Not "legal duty".
You dont have to fulfil moral duty when no one is forcing you to.
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South Korea broke its own record regarding lowest birth rates in the world.
0.78 births per woman.
Its like promoting immorality and consumerism didnt exactly pay off for South Korea.
Even North Korea has 1.82 birth rates.
Of course, there are disagreements about why the birth rates are falling everywhere, but South Korea is the world leader and undisputed champion with so low birth rates that its population will shrink in half in 50 years.
TFR is falling everywhere. No advanced country except Israel seems able to sustain a pro-natal culture. A lowering tide is lowering almost all boats and giving rise to reasonable (and some unreasonable) suspicions that something is poisoning us—perhaps the Covid vaccines. Or perhaps the problem is a lowering of testosterone and sperm counts, traceable to plastics or seed oils.
The truth is that honor matters, far more than any chemical in our environment and far more than any set of financial incentives. In South Korea, a propaganda campaign effected a great shift away from family life. In most countries in the West, the campaign has been less coordinated, but perhaps even more effective for being spontaneous and pervasive. We will not restore children to the center of our society’s ideal of a life well lived until we reverse our cultural messaging—not just about children, but about the entire range of issues that touch upon what it means to be man and woman. The image of woman with motherhood near the center of her life is vital for our future, if we want to have one.
The truth is that honor matters, far more than any chemical in our environment and far more than any set of financial incentives. In South Korea, a propaganda campaign effected a great shift away from family life. In most countries in the West, the campaign has been less coordinated, but perhaps even more effective for being spontaneous and pervasive. We will not restore children to the center of our society’s ideal of a life well lived until we reverse our cultural messaging—not just about children, but about the entire range of issues that touch upon what it means to be man and woman. The image of woman with motherhood near the center of her life is vital for our future, if we want to have one.
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Its not like I chose to be born white, and its not like I can change it.
So if its not okay, what can I do to be less white?
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@zedvictor4
And math is relative to the mathematician, moral or immoral.
Yes. If mathematician thinks "me > 5 people", we could say he is immoral.
So will you happily give up your life to save a zygote BK
Do I think that my life is more important than 1000 fetuses who will obviously be born and grow unless someone aborts them? No.
My life is valued as one life. Not 1000 lives.
And more zygotic material gets pissed down the pan everyday than will be surgically aborted in a lifetime.
It is so in great amount because of porn. But still does not diminish that it is immoral.
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@PREZ-HILTON
This asks way too much of individuals
Its a moral duty. Doesnt mean you have to do it. It just means it would objectively be the best thing for everyone to do.
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@TWS1405_2
Name one female that has had 1,000 children.
The number wasnt suggesting that a female has 1000 children.
It suggests that 1 woman dies per 1000 births.
Therefore, saying "woman risks her life in pregnancy, so abortion is okay"
Is equal to saying 1>1000.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Why? Can you prove life is valuable to me in the abstract?
If life is not valuable, what is valuable then? Nothing.
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If I asked: Would you sacrifice your life to save 5 random people, most people would say no.
So most people think that 1 life > 5 lives.
I guess they failed at moral math.
They will say things like "My life is precious to me". So in their eyes, one life is more precious than five lives. Then when I ask "Why is your one life more precious than five other lives?" I get no answer, as expected. There is no answer to it. You cannot explain why you are more important than 5 other people, because you are not more important than 5 other people.
Thats why the abortionists cant explain why
1 woman is more important than 1000 children.
Or why 1>1000.
Its hard to explain indeed, because to do that you have to pretend to care about life and at the same time be supportive of an action that destroyed over 1 billion lives.
So yes, logically, you have moral obligation to save lives.
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I can shoot anyone who comes on my property!
Yeah no, I dont think there is such law. Who even says that?
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I guess historical accuracy needs to be sacrificed to satisfy woke.
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@Greyparrot
Humans naturally have 2 sexes as a reproductive function.
Yes. The reproduction happens when male and female unite. There are no other sexes, because nothing else results in reproduction.
Cloning isnt exactly realistic on mass scale. If cloning was possible, then there would be 3 sexes: male, female and cloning.
None of that would make it possible to change sex. Male who cuts off his penis wouldnt make himself female, since he would lose reproductive abilities of male but he would not gain reproductive abilities of a female, and the cloning ability would remain the same irrelevant of if someone castrates himself or not.
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@Kaitlyn
I'm sure you'll find these "unemployed" people tend to have low I.Q, low impulse control, high amounts of aggression etc.
Yes. Those are not traits usually desired by employers.
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@Math_Enthusiast
some people see God as only as real as unicorns, so they're not going to be able to get themselves to believe in Him on command.
Then they can pay a psychologist.
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@zedvictor4
Are you reasonably relaxed BK?
Sure.
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@Math_Enthusiast
I am willing to bet that if psychology no longer existed starting now, suicide rates would further drastically increase.
No. Ranting into psychologist does not decrease suicide rates. We see that religious countries that dont have psychology at all actually have surprisingly low suicide rates. It is like psychology is unnecessary waste of money.
Psychologists won't just listen. Once you're done talking, they will ask you some questions, and then give you some advice. They will help you to self-reflect, keep calm, etc
So more ranting on both sides. Usually, asking private questions is considered rude, as well as asking stupid questions. But psychologists dont seem to have a problem with being rude.
people who don't believe in God don't feel listened to
More reason for them to believe in God. Or they can pay to rant with psychologist.
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When you are searching for conclusions, you will find them eventually.
So yes, when someone concludes "guns are bad" and keeps searching for anything that supports such conclusion, eventually he will find plenty of support for his conclusion. From obvious lies to exaggerated stories.
However, in his search, he will also miss all the reasons why we need guns.
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Well, you are wrong because questioning election results actually prevents cheating in the future. It doesnt mean someone is trying to steal elections.
In Russia, you have apparently 80% of people voting for Putin. No one questions the results and cheating goes on.
However, Biden wont win 2024 due to very poor decisions he made.
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@Math_Enthusiast
If by benefits, you mean lower suicide rate, then no.
Number of people who receive psychological treatment in the USA has increased over time. However, suicide rates didnt decrease. They increased. Mental illneses increased too.
Argentina has lots of psychologists per capita, but still 8 per 100,000 suicide rate.
There is simply no statistic which says that country can rely on psychology to solve any bigger issue. It seems that psychology is only good when people need to rant to feel better for some time.
Even Afganistan and Iran have lower suicide rates than Argentina and USA. Iran having 4 per 100,000.
I find it funny that people actually pay to rant and complain. Usually, when I want to feel better, I pray. It works better, but what needs to be also said is: its free.
Plus, God doesnt ask you irrelevant questions when you talk to him.
So if you say "psychological treatment makes people feel better", well so does religion. However, religion does it better and for free, as proven by suicide rates in countries relying on religion and countries relying on psychology.
USA relies on psychology a lot, but the results dont show any improvement for the population. The suicide rates are only getting higher. When you see that population as a whole doesnt get better despite all the money payed to psychologists, one might easily conclude that psychology is a waste of resources.
We could say its modern witchcraft.
The God actually teaches to forgive other people their sins. It doesnt teach to rant about others for hours.
In the main Christian prayer, it goes "we forgive those who trespass against us".
Repeating such prayer is surely better than arbitrary ranting about how your feelings were hurt.
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@Math_Enthusiast
Now, if your source is "people's opinions" and not an actual statistic of suicide, depression, mental illnesses (the important things that the argument is to be based upon), isnt your argument a bit... unbased in reality?
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@Math_Enthusiast
What? No it isn't! Repeated correlation is correlation. Causation can only be established using a controlled experiment.
No. Controlled experiment is repeated correlations leading to conclusion of causation. Repeated correlation is the only way to establish causation. Therefore, repeated correlation = causation. I dont see what confuses you here. Maybe you dont know what a controlled experiment is.
What I have to back up that Finland is a happy country
Preventing suicides is more important than being more happy. If a country has more suicides, that means it is a worse country than the one which has less suicides by such standard alone. Human life is the most important thing on Earth, and sacrificing human life so that you can be happier is very stupid but you have a right to opinion.
What you don't have to back up a high suicide rate in Finland
Sorry, I dont feed idiots. A 10 second google search would have given you the answer. If you are too lazy for that, do you even deserve the knowledge? Like, what would you do with the knowledge? Chances are you wouldnt even understand it. Its about 13 per 100,000. So there, now you know.
Also, did you just completely ignore the part where I pointed out that high suicide rate and high rate of mental illness aren't necessarily the same thing
Yes. I ignored it because I never claimed the two are same. I did imply that mental illnesses include suicide. Lets see if you will understand the difference between "include" and "same". This demands higher IQ to be solved in 2 seconds, so take your time.
Also, why do you feel the need to whine about how you're so much smarter then everyone else?
I believe God punished me by making me smart.
especially when you don't consistently use an apostrophe in the words "don't" and "didn't."
Wasting so much energy on grammar. Debate language is a series of equations, groups, false equations and false groups. If you cant tell that dont means don't, is there a point in trying to teach you something?
Seriously though, how does that even make sense? Many psychology clinics aren't government run.
Stupid people follow labels. Thats why if something is not labeled as "government", you cant recognize it as government. Despite the existence of rules and ideology followed by psychology clinics partially directed by studies, as explained before. Psychology is a buisness. Buisness has rules which when you dont obey you run out of customers. So there are rules, laws, yes.
Also, as previously stated, some people don't believe in God.
But they believe in psychology. A bad trade of faith, one must notice. You reject free at all times medicine in favor of expensive poison. However, the believers are still majority, so I believe my argument applies to majority. Plus, anyone can become a believer. My argument is also that they should be believers, since religion helps with mental health issues. If they reject religion after its obvious benefits, they can support psychology. Every country that did so has unusually high suicide rate. So in a sense, one should become a believer if he cares about preventing suicides.
Please don't let that effect your view of psychologists generally.
I dont. What affects my view of psychologists is the increase in mental issues in countries that wanted to solve its mental problems through psychology instead of religion. That is what makes psychology bad. Usually, if you have to pay for something that doesnt work, you realize its a stupid trade. But sometimes people dont see the obvious.
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@PREZ-HILTON
we are discussing how he is the king of Pop
Well, keep up the good work.
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@IlDiavolo
Thats how the Steven called me. I forgive him. Not sure if God will forgive him, tho.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Michael Jackson also followed Jesus.
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@Math_Enthusiast
Correlation is not causation
Repeated correlation is causation. You are supposed to know that the only way to establish causation is through correlation. I dont see how can you possibly not know this.
That might have something to do with the fact that highly religious countries often scare people into not committing suicide.
Thanks for admitting that religion prevents suicide. So now we are getting somewhere.
Finland is considered the happiest country in the world, and it isn't particularly religious.
No. The high suicide rate in Finland disagrees, obviously. Finland is very bad at preventing suicides. Just when I thought that I was getting somewhere with you, you went back and said this nonsense.
It sounds like you went to a psychiatrist and not a psychologist.
No. I went to both psychologist and psychiatrist by force. I dont see how could you possibly not understand that one person can go to both psychologist and psychiatrist. This is what I am talking about. People cannot comprehend what is being said to them. I literally have to break things down to you and feed you the simplest information possible, and you still fail to understand.
If you want help in the form of actually talking with someone, having them listen to you, and have them make suggestions which don't involve drugs, go to a psychologist.
No. When I want help by talking and get suggestions, I talk to God. God is the creator of worlds. Psychologist is a deluded puppet of its government. Didnt we already established that religion is much better at preventing suicides?
Also, under what circumstances were you actually forced to take drugs?
It happened when I was in prison.
What drug was this that diminished your IQ so much?
I would rather not say, because that info is a bit private. Its not like you would benefit from the info.
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@Math_Enthusiast
One of us has a source, one of us doesn't...
One of us googled "Are mental illnesses on the rise in USA". One of us didnt.
One of compared suicide rates of countries where psychology tried to replace religion, to suicide rates of countries where psychology is almost non-existent. One of us didnt.
I was forced into psychological treatment and forced to use psychiatric drugs.
It greatly diminished my IQ, but my IQ is still greatly above that of other humans. When I make arguments, people usually dont understand what I am saying. I guess too complicated for them.
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@Math_Enthusiast
I don't think that they would be quite as opposed to other suggestions. (Like what I proposed!...
"The argument was that psychologists oppose to making those laws, without which you cannot realize what you suggested."
So yes, it does help people. So yes, it's an actual job.
"Therefore, it is of no surprise that psychology didnt result in decrease of mental illnesses."
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Had no servants, yet they called him Master.
Had no degree, yet they called him Teacher.
Had no medicines, yet they called him Healer.
He had no army, yet rulers feared him.
He claimed no territory, yet they called him King.
He won no military battles, yet he conquered the world.
He committed no crime, yet they crucified him.
He was buried in a tomb, yet he lives today.
His name is Jesus.
Wonderful text. Even today, Jesus continues to heal the hearts all around the world. The thought of Jesus does so much good to those it resides in.
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I wonder if the funds affect the truth? And what would happen if they started saying things that government doesnt want them to say?
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@Tradesecret
For me, the spirituality is connection with God and prayer. More of those means more spirituality.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Psychology doesn’t use adjectives like ‘bad’ because that’s a subjective term. If a person is demonstrating behavior that makes them a risk to those around them or themselves, psychology will describe those actions as ‘harmful.’
Bad, harmful = refutation without refutation.
Psychologists are required to approach the subject of mental disorders with empathy and understanding, not scrutiny and criticism. Harsh judgments are seen as bad conduct in the professional field.
No. I dont see where you got this assumption from, or how is it relevant to anything I said.
While there are con artists in every industry, psychology is an intense field that is hard to make a living at. Con artists looking to make a quick buck are more likely to turn to easier options because psychology is such a competitive industry with a high turnover rate and a low chance of sufficient pay. There’s also a code of ethics that demands the best behavior because one misstep could result in a license being revoked.
That sounds good, except that psychologists also want money, and studies are a good way to get more people to visit a psychologist. The rest of what you said could be labeled as assumptions. I dont see why you think that psychologists have good behavior, or even the best. And according to which standards of behavior?
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@Math_Enthusiast
Don't conclusions 1 and 2 propose new laws? If you can propose new laws, why can't I?
The argument was that psychologists oppose to making those laws, without which you cannot realize what you suggested.
Even so, non-profits still need money so that the employees can eat
If you want to eat, get an actual job.
Non-profit does not mean free. Non-profit means that the goal is to help people, rather than to make money.
It was already pointed out that psychology doesnt help people. So if it is not free and doesnt help, its a waste.
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@oromagi
Thats a long comment. You could have just said that you dont know what is male and female, so that we can tell you.
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@FLRW
As I said, the prayer helps with depression. In that way, everyone who prays is rewarded.
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@Math_Enthusiast
You seem to imply that there aren't any alternative ways to solve this problem. Knowing a psychologist very well myself, my guess as to how a professional psychologist would want to solve this is to take the child away from the parents and put them in a safe environment.
This was already disproven by:
"The psychologists disagree with conclusions 1 and 2, but agree with the study's conclusion.".
You cannot take a child away unless dictated by the law.
She just so happens to work for a non-profit.
Then you go to refute yourself by saying:
It's not free because psychologists, like the rest of us, have to eat.
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I dont consider psychology as a science. The psychology related studies usually have high failure rate. Any ideology that says "You are bad because this happened in your childhood" is not only very stupid, but one could even say pointless. Therefore, it is of no surprise that psychology didnt result in decrease of mental illnesses. In fact, the success rate of psychology in dealing with mental illnesses is non-existent. Prayer is more likely than psychology to cure the depression.
So naturally, to compensate for its high failure rate, psychology turns to studies in hope that it discovers something that was previously hidden.
One such study is about maternal antipathy. That is when mother dislikes her child and the effects it has on child.
"The current study provides initial evidence for differential mechanisms in the relationship between maternal antipathy, a specific, but common type of adverse childhood experience, and altered neural reward responses to social reward anticipation".
There are only two most logical conclusions that can come from this study's conclusion:
1) Make antipathy illegal, so it stops harming children
2) Force parents to pay compensations for harming their children.
Here, you will notice something. The psychologists disagree with conclusions 1 and 2, but agree with the study's conclusion.
This is equal to saying "We agree that this problem exists, but we dont want to do anything real to solve it".
What psychologists really want - and what the point of these studies is - is to get more people to visit psychologists so that psychologists can earn more money.
Unlike the religion, the psychology is not a non-profit organization.
Unlike the prayer and the talk with God, the talk with psychologist is not free.
Therefore, the point of studies is not to solve the problem, as proven by response to conclusions 1 and 2. The point of studies is to make profit from that problem.
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@ludofl3x
Where do you see the promotion of the idea that men can become women and vice versa?
I see it in your comment:
the right to be whatever they want to be
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@Sidewalker
Self defense huh, you mean like defending yourself from a black kid ringing your doorbell.
I believe the self defense doesnt equal to killing everyone who approaches you or rings your doorbell. That would actually be very bad for your self defense.
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@Tradesecret
People with wealth have everything they need materially. They think this makes them happy. And perhaps in some way, that's true.
Money cannot replace the lack of spirituality.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
irrelative too when the conditions were met in the first place
No. The conditions have to be met, even when someone has all the knowledge. If I say it will happen on Friday, the condition "Friday" is obviously not met before Friday.
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@zedvictor4
Still, kinda easy to learn.
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@Stephen
Let's watch you worm your way around that!
I am not sure what the problem would be there. I hated my parents even before I read about Christ.
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What does it mean to be "starved of opportunities"?
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@Greyparrot
I got vaccinated and I wouldnt recommend it to anyone.
I dont see why would I have to get 10 vaccines in my lifetime just to possibly prevent one disease that wouldnt kill me anyway.
I see more harm in repeated vaccinations than whatever the covid brings.
We dont know how long does the protection last after being vaccinated, but we know that it is in the interest of corporations for it to last as short as possible.
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Just dont repeat it over and over like poly did, because then its a ban.
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@Sir.Lancelot
From my experience with moderation team, you first get a warning, not ban.
Same was with Poly. The short ban was when she repeated the violation again after she was warned for it once.
So I wouldnt worry.
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