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@YouFound_Lxam
I don't agree with animal abuse, but I do believe that animal are not subject to any rights, because they wouldn't even understand them.
The point of rights is to benefit animals, at least some of them. The claim "animals wont understand it" does not negate this.
They were created for human consumption, so yes they have no life. Why should they get a life? What are they going to do with it? Eat grass, and sleep?
I dont know why do you think that animals were created for human consumption. It is not true that "humans need to eat animals in order to survive", and it is not true that "eating animals" has any more benefit than "eating insects" or "drinking milk" or "eating eggs".
Now, you ask: "what are they going to do with life?". However, what are you saying with this question?
You are saying that "to live in a very crowded room, to be tortured and have your babies separated from yoy and killed in great majority of cases" is equal to "living on a grassland with lots of space, where you are not tortured so much as you are tortured in factory farm, and where your babies live with you much longer, and where your babies are not killed so much as they are in factory farm".
Obviously, if we consider torture to be bad and if we seek to decrease it, those two are not equal.
So the answer to your question is that animals will enjoy life more and suffer less when they are on grassland than in factory farm.
Free animals: Starvation increase
I wouldnt say that this is true for humans or animals.
In fact, vegetable farming, foraging and insect farming are much more effective than animal farming.
People are not living only on meat.
Finally, if people cannot immediatelly abolish meat in their diet, they can hunt animals or use some of the existing farm animals for survival until we establish "eggs and milk farming in the open" and "vegetable and insect farms" as a replacement for "meat industry in factory farm".
Also animals don't own anything. Again they don't have any rights, and can't claim land, unless they have some way of defending it. They have no lease to the land and no documents claiming they have that land.
"They have no documents" is a correct statement. "They have no rights" is incorrect. Animals have rights. Since they can feel pain, it is their right to be alive and protected from pain. If not completely, then partially.
What about Lions, Tigers, and Bears OH MY!!They can defend claims of land.
"Wild animals attacking animals" is not a big problem. Humans already killed most of those. Besides, animals being hunted by animals is different from animals being farmed in a crowded room by humans and then killed. We can see that with factory farming, suffering and killing happens at much greater level. It is not just the killed animals that suffer. In factory farming, suffering is omnipresent for all animals.
Wait....so we have to free animals, give them rights, provide care for them, and protect them.So animals are to be treated as Kings, and people on the street, and kids in Africa aren't?
"Kids in Africa being treated better" is not the result of "You eating meat".
In fact, we can safely say that you eating meat has no positive effect on children in africa.
Further, "giving rights to animals" does not lead to "rights being taken away from kids in africa". This is especially true since "you eating meat" does not "help children in africa".
However, giving rights to animals could cause a high increase in food production. It could also cause a decrease in violence among humans.
This is a bit off topic, but vegetarians are much less violent than meat eaters. It is common sense that if you consume suffering, and slaughter animals and justify their killing, you are more likely to justify the killing of humans.
Animals and humans evolved to eat meat. We weren't made for being vegetarian. Why do cows exist. They serve no purpose to any ecosystem, they actually increase carbon emissions with there farts, and they eat and sleep all day. They are big piles of meat, just going to waste.
Humans did evolve to be able to eat meat. However, it is more beneficial not to at this point.
Further, we dont know why cows exist.
"They serve no purpose to any ecosystem" does not lead us to conclusion that "we should torture and kill them".
Further, we were the ones to multiply cows in such great number. In nature, there would be less of them as wild animals would eat them.
Further, cows are "going to waste" when you eat them.
Further, cows dont serve any positive purpose when you eat them and mass multiply them.
Further, "they eat and sleep all day" is hardly a justification for your actions.
You take my steak, I take your life, and make steak out of you.
I have no interest in forcing anyone.
So kids, don't want to eat meat? Tell that to Mcdonalds.
Its difficult for children who dont like meat, since they are usually forced to eat it as soon as they reach a certain age where they can eat it.
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@Earth
@Vader
@Mharman
DP is about to end soon. Give us opinions if you can.
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Usually, I dont trust people who sniff women in public.
Like, learn what boundaries are.
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For everyone to know in case I die during NP:
I have my suspicion mostly on Earth. His interactions in the game dont make any sense.
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@AustinL0926
We are short on time. I have other suspects, but I would rather save them for DP2.
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VTL Badger
It could be a wrong call, I will see what others think of it.
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@AustinL0926
Well, it did say I can protect a player. I am not sure.
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@AustinL0926
I want to hear the opinion of others on badger. I do find him suspicious, but I would like to check Earth too if possible.
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@AustinL0926
At this point, I probably die during NP or have my role blocked.
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@AustinL0926
As I said, 2 out of 4(austin, pie, mhar, badger) are likely scum.
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I was hoping you wont believe me. I should have let you lynch me. Now I have to play more. Maybe I should go inactive like Earth.
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Alright, I will tell you my role.
I am a doctor. I can protect one player at every NP.
Still want to lynch me? Not so sure now?
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I am sorry if I labeled you as scum incorrectly, but it is 50/50 and the investigation has to happen.
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@AustinL0926
whether he's town or mafia
You want me to tell you if I am town or mafia? That seems like a very strange request after I single handedly narrowed the search for scum from 2/8 to 2/4. (The 4 being pie mhar austin and badger).
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@AustinL0926
Petition to vote Korea as LVP whether he's town or mafia
I have to check what lvp means
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It could be that the next target is badger too, but I am not sure.
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I wonder who will be the next target? Austin? Well, he is new so why not.
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@AustinL0926
I thought there was no need to post anymore and you were waiting?
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Only the new players take it personal
Hmm so I am a new player and the witchhunt on new players is over?
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New player, veteran, which one am I? Because I am not sure at this point.
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@badger
Well, you sure seem to change opinion often. Maybe too often. Still, I dont see you as scum. Although, after you lynch me some investigation would be most appropriate.
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In a way, this narrowed down the search. We will see after the game if I was right.
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@ILikePie5
You don’t have to unvote. You can just transfer the vote and it still counts
OK Ok I am an old man have patience with me.
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@badger
3/5 is usually about where someone claims
I dont feel like claiming at 3/5. Seems low effort.
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At first, I thought it was scum who are trying to snipe new players. Now I see that its a general tradition.
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Since the pressure didnt work, I believe you need 2 more votes for a lynch.
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@ILikePie5
One more vote on BK please
I believe it takes 5 to lynch. So two more votes.
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@ILikePie5
Help me pressure BK for a claim please
Alright, looking forward to it.
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@ILikePie5
If he doesn’t claim we lynch him, it’s that simple
Alright, since you will obviously lynch me, may I ask you who will you lynch once you find out you are wrong?
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@ILikePie5
No one has ever seen this gameplay from a noob
Looks like that has now changed. Next time when you see a new player playing aggressive, remember this claim of yours.
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The evils of factory farm
In the factory farm, animals are crowded together. They live in horrible conditions with no freedom or entertainment. When the right time comes, they get slaughtered, then turned into food and finally are eaten by humans.
In the factory farm, animals are usually beaten and treated very poorly. They dont know what is sunlight, or grassland, or mountain, or flower. They dont know the joys of running in the field or drinking spring water.
In the factory farm, animals are separated from their babies and their babies are killed.
Baby animals are often slaughtered for profit.
The example of this is when cow gives birth to a baby, the baby is slaughtered and turned into meat. Cow's milk that was supposed to feed the baby now feeds the human.
In the factory farm, animals are often forcefully made pregnant by humans. They have no control over their sex life and have no what we refer to as life.
Plan to free the animals and give them back their land
We multiplied animals and forced them to crowd in a cage or a very small room. We stole their land. We stole animals from the land that fed them.
We saw the land and thought "this land doesnt belong to anyone, let us take it". What we didnt see are the animals who lived there and loved their land.
"Power decides everything" has become more clear than ever. Animals dont have power to defend their land, so it is not their land. But it is their land. It is where they lived for thousands of years, only to be captured and enslaved by humans.
The plan to give the animals their land back is a plan that is as complicated as it is simple. If you are ready to do it, it is simple. If not, then it is complicated.
To release billions of animals into the wild is a great task never achieved before. We must make sure the land is suitable for them. That there is food. That there is no cars to hit them.
Sadly, some animals wont be released due to lack of land. Those animals should be used for "eggs and milk industry" and never for "meat industry and factory farming".
It will be hard work. I am sure we will never succeed completely. Only partially.
Changing to vegetarian diet
This is what humans are supposed to do. Vegetarian diet may not be as tasty as meat, but it is suitable for us. It is entirely possible to live on it.
Besides, the joy of eating meat is a joy that disappears in 5 minutes after it appears. "Extra joy" is hardly a justification for our actions that are everything except joy for billions of animals we imprisoned and tortured.
We even force our children to eat meat, lying to them that they wont grow unless they eat it. In a sense, what we saw as great could be the worst thing we have ever done.
However, we can still reduce the harm of our future actions.
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