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Everyone knows that Trump is Jesus. Jesus returned just as he promised he would. Bible is true.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The economy is doing just fine
Yes, but that makes Trump look bad, so its not true. Trump is a very innocent man.
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@Greyparrot
Banana cult.
Do you want a banana?
Close your eyes and open your mouth.
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@baggins
I didnt really quite get the game then, but I am more used to playing faster games where like, you get to fight immediatelly, and are more simple to learn. I dont like games that bombard me with 1000 buttons, as thats really too much.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If by some miracle you find yourself with nothing to micromanage
I dont really micromanage. I would rather not spend an hour clicking on buttons when each only brings tiny benefit. Its not worth the effort. I just put things to construct, set national focus, and wait for things to be constructed, which for some reason takes forever, even when speed up to maximum. If the game's idea is for me to click on 1000 buttons during that, to micromanage, I might just not like the game. I played it for a couple of days until I got bored of it because it takes a long time to get anywhere.
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Cop investigation might make up for this, but it will mean we have to make sure cop can investigate, which will take some effort and combined power of protective roles.
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@whiteflame
I also don't really know why you're writing off Barney at this point
Its mostly because he said that we should lynch him if he doesnt confirm himself.
So he is not a lynch this dp.
But looks like nobody is. I doubt Luna will come online in next 20 minutes, so yeah, its a no lynch. Maybe its for the better. If you are trully a bodyguard, we should both protect Earth, and Austin should also protect Earth so Earth cant get role blocked. Other than that, I dont see what our play could be.
This likely puts us at 6 - 2, so we only have 2 lynches left. Its bad for us, but yeah, we misplayed here badly.
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@Lunatic
If you come online, you can lynch and then you can confirm yourself. Otherwise, its a no lynch this dp.
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@baggins
For me, its a bit of a hard to play game. Battles take such a long time, even when I speed up the game. Its strange. I spend like 20 minutes staring at screen watching animated soldiers shooting at each other.
Construction also takes a really long time. I dont know, it feels like a game of waiting.
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@whiteflame
Well, I agree that casey's role is harmful for town, but between you and casey, its a difficult choice to make.
It is possible that casey and Savant are scum, but that would mean town was given 4 protective roles. I find that very difficult to believe. Same goes for casey and joe.
I dont think its possible that joe and savant are scum, since joe has almost lynched Savant on purpose, when Savant wasnt even in that much danger before Joe went after him.
That leaves these possibilities:
You and Savant.
You and Joe.
I dont really think you and casey are scum, since I think town has 3 protective roles, not 4.
As for not having anything to lose, we do have something to lose. If scum gets lynched in dp1, not only do we prevent them from using their role, but we find out what their role is for dp2.
So yeah, I find it very hard to believe that casey is scum, because that would mean mod gave 4 protective roles to town, and one of the claimed 5 protective roles is scum. I mean, I know this mod is new, but I am just not convinced that he gave town 4 protective roles.
So yeah, we can lynch you or casey, and sure, we have more to lose if you are town, and its a difficult decision to make mostly because of casey's behavior. By game's logic, you are most likely scum, its just that casey posting excuses instead of reads and being inactive (less than 20 posts out of over 500, less than 4%) makes her somewhat a policy lynch. So yeah, if we are lynching casey, its mostly due to her behavior, and if we are lynching you, its mostly due to game logic which just doesnt happen to make you even 50% town.
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@AustinL0926
You have somewhat convinced me that whiteflame is a solid lynch. I am fine with lynching him or casey this dp. I dont think Joe can be scum, so two scums are most likely whiteflame and savant.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Barney
@AustinL0926
It seems that we cant agree on who is a lynch.
However, the 5 of us are most likely town. I am including Barney because he guaranteed to confirm himself by dp3, and Austin because he has to confirm himself by dp2 or he is lynch.
So opinion of 5 of us should matter more on the issue. I dont mean to exclude anyone, but 50% of the remaining 4 players are most likely scum.
I was thinking that casey is scum, but now that I think of it, I didnt include that Austin also has somewhat protective role.
So... 5 protective roles in game...
This comes after mod was warned about having 3 protective roles.
So if he was told that 3 protective roles is too much, why would he increase it to 5?
Or even to 4?
I think its very likely there are 2 scums among 5 protective roles. Its not me. Its not Austin by what we know so far.
So who remains is whiteflame, joe, and Savant.
There must be at least 1 scum among them, but I think there are most likely 2.
So if casey isnt lynch, then we must lynch whiteflame.
So, give your opinion on who would you rather lynch: casey or whiteflame?
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@Barney
Yeah, I am just also not sure if scum would die too if he used redirect on casey.
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@Barney
It does seem like an overpowered combo.
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If scum has redirect, they can redirect people to casey, which is bad.
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@AustinL0926
In addition, any negative actions performed on them will be redirected to me.
I suggest you use that power on Earth, so he doesnt get role blocked.
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Okay, 500 posts. Wow
I think this is more than enough for anyone who wants to read behavior. Lots of us have put lots of effort into this. For me, this is probably the most effort I ever used in mafia game.
We still need to hear from Lunatic and see his opinion. It would also be good to hear from casey. I dont know if anyone else didnt post latest opinion.
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@JoeBob
Who do you want to lynch, if not casey?
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@Savant
Surprises are always possible, but maybe not in this case. We will see I guess.
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@Barney
Okay, if Austin and you are telling the truth about being so confirmable, then this game is pretty much solved. Its merely the question in which order to lynch the 4 targets, not that it matters much, and this is even without all the possible info we might get in dp2.
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@whiteflame
As I see it, the roles that basically CC one another (Bleeder and Soldier) should be the first ones we consider as strange
I think that now lynch is casey, and in dp2 we can have more info to choose between joe and savant, or anyone else. I dont see why would casey go to dp2. No reads, no activity, not confirmable. I prefer games where people are active. Casey is by almost all standards a policy lynch.
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Okay, I want to hear more opinions before we agree who will be lynched. I dont know how much time we have left until end, but people should post their views, and if majority agrees that whiteflame is lynch, then Lunatic should lynch him.
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@AustinL0926
Mod was warned in previous game about how 3 protective roles is a bit much, so I dont see why would he choose to increase them to 4 this game. It doesnt add up. Also, I dont see why would whiteflame claim bodyguard after 2 protective roles were claimed and after he knew that doctor is likely in game. Maybe whiteflame misplayed as scum, but thats a very bad misplay from a very good player. I just dont see how would he make that misplay.
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@AustinL0926
Why would there have to be 1 scum between whiteflame, Savant, and Joe?
4 protective roles doesnt make sense.
It also doesnt make sense that two scums both claimed protective role.
So best possibility is 1 scum among those 3.
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@AustinL0926
His behavior is so completely different from previous town games
I am bad at reading behavior, but I guess if other players can confirm that whiteflame's behavior is very odd, it should change things and maybe put him as lynch. There are other players who read behavior much better than I can.
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@AustinL0926
But seriously, why do you townread whiteflame?
I dont really town read him, its more that I find what casey is doing to be scummy.
Also, the game logic doesnt add up much.
There is 1 scum among whiteflame, savant and joe.
But due to almost same roles of savant and joe, I find it unlikely that both joe and savant are town, so unlikely that whiteflame is scum.
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@AustinL0926
Look, instead of trying to lynch whiteflame, can you tell me why casey is town?
Currently, the lynch seems to be between whiteflame and casey.
I dont think you can say with great confidence that casey is town. I mean, she is even a policy lynch due to inactivity.
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@AustinL0926
if whiteflame is innocent, I'll be the first to vote myself
We dont have infinite lynches to lynch you after whiteflame.
In the next 3 lynches, we have to hit 1 scum.
We cant base our votes on revenge voting like that, so even if you promise to vote yourself, the rest of us could not logically follow to lynch you.
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@AustinL0926
Look, if we lynch whiteflame, then savant, then joe, we will hit 1 scum for sure, since one of them simply has to be scum by game logic. I find it insane that mod actually put 4 protective roles. That would be almost impossible.
The other scum, however, can so far only be casey, if barney is trully confirmable and if you are trully confirmable.
I am not that much in favor of lynching whiteflame because he is a somewhat better protective role than the other two.
Still, its up to Lunatic to decide. So if he says whiteflame is lynch, then whiteflame is lynch.
Its possible that whiteflame is scum, I just dont find it likely with a strange counter claim between savant and joe.
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I find it much more likely that second scum is casey.
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And I also must say, I dont find it convincing that there are 2 scum among whiteflame, savant and joe.
There is 1 scum for sure, because there cant really be 4 protective roles.
But 2?
Why would 2 scum players both choose a protective role as a fake claim? I just dont get that.
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@AustinL0926
Doctor, bodyguard, and bulletproof/bleeder is a ridiculous density of protective roles in a C9 game.
I agree that 4 protective roles are too much, but I am not really in favor of lynching any of them now.
There are obviously at least 2 protective roles in game, so maybe other 2 are scum, but maybe there are 3 protective roles and just 1 of those 4 is scum.
So at least 1 is scum, to put it simply.
However, we already agreed not to lynch Savant and Joe, but to save that battle for dp2.
I dont feel like lynching whiteflame, because its not certain that he is the scum among 4. We could even say, with cc of savant by joe, its not certain at all that whiteflame is scum.
We are going to have to lynch soon, and I will stick with casey lynch.
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@AustinL0926
That's not confirmable, that's just inherently likely
Well, if something is 95% likely, its as good as confirmed in a game which just happens to be based on guessing and hoping we guessed correctly. Besides, even mod asked a question about if he should notify a doctor. So, if that doesnt convince you, nothing ever will.
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@Savant
Overwhelming majority of games have doctor and cop. Its bad to doubt a role which just happens to be in almost every game. Plus, my character heals wounds. I dont know how much more obvious does it need to get.
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@Savant
So your role doesn't make it obvious you are town, especially with a possible bg in play
Bodyguard and doctor isnt that uncommon, but yeah, I am kinda wondering why both are in game. Maybe because my role isnt typical doctor, but 2x doctor.
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@Savant
Are you the doctor then? I don't think anyone else has claimed that role.
Yeah, I think its obvious from my character anyway, but I can protect myself or some other confirmed town player, but I wont say this dp who will I protect.
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@AustinL0926
Can you explain how you're confident in this?
Well, I happen to be a doctor.
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@whiteflame
If the information we get leads to a mislynch next DP, saving a town player during the NP will not have been worth the cost,
Scum manipulating night kill would save confirmed town player, where as it stands, its likely a confirmed town player dies next np.
We have to lynch casey anyway, so if its a mislynch, its probably an unavoidable mislynch anyway, but yeah, I guess too many things can go wrong if we are put at 4 - 2 instead of 5 - 2.
So, are you in favor of voting casey this dp then?
I dont see what other solution we have. I tried to think of ways to confirm her, but its such a horrible role.
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@AustinL0926
But how will whiteflame ever confirm himself?
I guess it depends on what roles are left to confirm him, track him or whatever. But if he dies to protect a town player, it is just as good for town because it wastes scum's night kill and increases amount of future targets for scum (more confirmed town players, so with 1 kill per night, scum cant keep up with town lynch due to too many confirmed town players as targets).
I am not lynching whiteflame this dp. I know even town players can act scummy, so if you think he is acting scummy, its not exactly an obvious choice. Still, he is a bodyguard, which I find a bit odd that both doctor and bodyguard are in game, but I am not ready to follow that trail to death now, but wait until more evidence appears in dp2.
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@whiteflame
Scum can always just refuse to NK and use the resulting kill from Casey to make the case you’re making
That would still save a confirmed town player from night kill.
Just because I’d get notified doesn’t mean I could convince you I had been RB’d. I don’t think they’d do this if given the option to RB someone else, but we also don’t know what manipulation they have for the Cop result.
It would save cop from being role blocked, but yeah, I guess its risky if scum has something more than a role block.
I’m not convinced she’s the best choice just because she’s the most straightforward, but no one wants to lynch Savant, so here we are.
Lynching Savant is more of a moral issue, because scum and town have been consistently killing him in dp1. But there is also a case where Savant might get connfirmed by someone. Same cannot be said for casey. I know it is very possible that she is town. The problem is that we cannot know or even have a hint until we lynch her.
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Even cop will have greater amount of players to pick from if we lynch casey and not anyone who is valid cop target.
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@whiteflame
I guess at this point, unless we are going to go after claims from Barney or Austin, we very much have to lynch casey then. We cant afford to have unconfirmable and unable to get investigated role in late game. So since we have to lynch her at some point anyway, I suggest this dp, because it leaves more targets for scum.
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@whiteflame
They could just NK me, which seemingly “confirms” Casey.
No. If they NK you, then only 1 player will die at night, and it wont be any of confirmed town players. So we will know scum acted.
If they want to get me killed, they could RB me and use my lack of action as a pretense for getting me lynched next DP.
I think you would get notified if you were role blocked, but yeah, I guess that is an issue which might give us problems, but then they couldnt role block cop.
They could redirect me to make Casey look sus. And all that just considers what scum can do.
If scum has both redirect and role block available in a single night, I guess that would mess up our plan, but it seems kinda too strong if they have that.
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If we dont want to put this plan in effect, then I suggest we lynch casey. We have no choice but to lynch her, since she is the only role which just happens to be completely unconfirmable by anything, but also refuses to post for days which means she cant be behaviorally read either.
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I guess it depends if scum has role blocker and would maybe role block casey, but then they couldnt role block cop, which is still an advantage for us.
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@whiteflame
If you dont want to risk it, its okay. I am just suggesting.
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@whiteflame
Okay, I came up with a plan for you which might help us greatly.
Your role visits when protects, correct?
So if you were to visit casey, you would die if she is telling the truth?
So we might lose 2 players by dp2 if we do a no lynch now, but we will have clear idea that casey is town, where as it stands, it is very likely both you and casey will never be confirmed.
So it saves town 3 lynches if casey is confirmed and you die from her role.
Just we need to make sure this is how it would play out.
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I am hoping that at least 2 out of 3 (austin, barney, whiteflame) will confirm themselves, so we are only left with 4 targets (savant, joe, casey, and one of 3 which is unconfirmed). If that happens, our win is mathematically guaranteed.
I dont buy that Earth is scum faking cop. To be clear, almost all games have cop and doctor, so logically, we should consider these roles confirmed when claimed. Also, we cant afford to increase target count from 4 to 6 based on assumption of very unlikely setup, since that greatly decreases our chances.
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