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@Lunatic
Also I don't think we should jump to conclusions about austin being town either just because his role is confirmable. I can think of "confirmable" scum roles as well.
Austin placed a large burden on himself.
His role is not just confirmable, but obvious, and he probably dies when he uses it.
Besides, scum having confirmable roles is rare, especially not what austin described.
Maybe if scum has janitor, they can fake cop or doctor, but having an actual confirmable role is what in great amount of cases only town has.
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@Lunatic
Did moozer give scum fake claims in LOTR?
In that game, we werent given fake claim.
All what we had was my power to reveal 2 town players. I chose Savant and whiteflame, and after seeing their roles and characters, we had somewhat of a hint of what town consists of, but it wasnt certain, but it was obvious enough that if we were right and if all characters were claimed, town would figure out that we were the odd ones, and we didnt have any hint of a role claim, so I had to come up with my own fake role and fake character, and hope it doesnt get counter claimed or stands out, which was too hard.
Scum basically had no chance to win lord of the rings, so the only plan I had was to take out all the most knowledgable town players first, to maybe only leave those who know nothing of series and wont figure us out.
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Yeah, I tend to stop posting in topics which arent easily found. I assume most people prefer having latest topics displayed to them easily, one click away.
Otherwise, forum topics can only be followed effectively if you subscribe to them, something which I dont usually do, because I dont want to wake up and find 200 notifications.
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@Lunatic
I could technically confirm savant if there is major doubts about his slot but if he is town it will feel a bit like a waste of my role and just results in a delayed mislynch which doesn't accomplish a whole lot. And we gotta let the poor guy live past day one at least once right?
I guess, but who is the lynch this dp except bleeder or granny?
We dont really have other options, unless you wanna search for more character and role claims?
I mean, in the end, its your choice given that you can decide lynch on your own.
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Of course, all we have from austin is that his role is easily confirmable and that it will be obvious when used. Its a soft claim that he is still going to have to prove later.
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@Earth
Just because their role is confirmable doesn't mean they are town.
Scum's biggest problem is usually confirming the fake role. The other big problem would be fake claim, but they were obviously given fake claim, so that leaves us with non-confirmable roles to hunt.
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K-Pop isn't even that good
"That good" means there are people who consider it very good.
So, person A considers K-Pop very good.
I say "K-Pop isn't even that good" as a response.
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@Lunatic
My role is "King" (Ironically a role I've wanted to use myself for a while), I can unanimously decide the day's lynch at any point in the game.
This changes things.
If Austin and you are both easily confirmable, it follows that you two cant be scum, thus at least one scum is among the 6 main characters.
I was hoping for an easy win, but I guess finding 2 non-confirmable roles and 2 confirmable without revealing any important role is still good enough for dp1.
I dont know if we revealed too much, but at least with this, we confirmed that scum was given strong fake claim among the 6.
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Okay, whats left is that we need to hear from Luna. We cant progress this further unless he comes online.
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@Savant
Thats basically non-confirmable, as scum wont target you at this point.
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@Savant
I'm confirmable
But only if you die, which is a problem.
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@Savant
So if you got lynched, you would be alive the next day?
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@Savant
I guess we just need to find out if luna has a confirmable role and his character.
Basically, if you and luna are scum, then both of your roles must be non-confirmable or very difficult to confirm.
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@whiteflame
So that’s Luna, Austin and Savant as the outliers.
Austin already said that he has an easily confirmable role. That basically means he is town, and if he turns out to be lying about being confirmable, then he is scum.
We need to find out if Lunatic's and Savant's roles are realistically confirmable, and get character claims from them later this dp.
From there, we will have something to work with.
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@Savant
I will give my character and role if needed
I want to hear from Lunatic first because he hasnt posted at all, but right now role claims arent necessary from anyone.
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That leaves the remaining Austin and Lunatic as none of the 6.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Barney
@AustinL0926
Thats 5 out of 6.
Now we just need one more.
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@JoeBob
Okay, so thats 4 out of 6 so far.
We just need two more, and then we will see how to go from there.
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@Savant
We dont lose anything if we first soft claim if we are one of 6.
If scum has fake character claim of one of 6, they are going to use it anyway, regardless of soft claim first or not.
But the point of soft claims is to set traps for scum, because anyone who makes a softclaim now has to stay consistent to it in dp2, regardless of if it is about role being confirmable, about character...ect.
Soft claims generally help town, which is why dp1 is mostly about softclaims until best target is found.
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Also, cop can investigate anyone of the 6 who has a non-confirmable role, as well as anyone of the remaining 3 players who have non-confirmable role.
This should increase our chances to the maximum.
I still dont know how to feel about granny claim, but this is probably the best alternative to jumping to lynch granny.
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@Savant
Also, I dont see anywhere at the start saying that scum was given any fake claim or hint. Mod usually says when that is the case. In lord of the rings, we didnt have fake claim or even a hint.
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@Savant
The scum can only get away from this if they were given a strong hint or a fake claim of one of 6.
If they werent and those 6 are in game, scum loses.
Its worth to try.
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@whiteflame
I’m one of the 6. That makes 3 with Chris
Okay, 3 more.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Barney
@AustinL0926
@JoeBob
Can you guys say if you are one of the 6 characters mentioned by whiteflame?
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@Savant
I think people should soft claim first by saying if they are one of the 6.
You could be the 7th town player, but I think we need soft claims now because it makes it easier to catch scum later through contradictions.
I am not really a big fan of claiming all characters right now.
Its better if we all first say if we are one of 6.
That way, if those 6 characters are all in game, scum is basically defeated.
If those 6 are not all in the game, maybe scum doesnt know that and wont risk claiming they are one of 6, which means the number of fake claims they can make decreases.
It really just makes scum's life much more difficult if we first soft claim if we are one of 6.
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I can confirm that I am one of those 6 characters, and if 5 other players can confirm that they are one of 6, then we might have already won this.
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@whiteflame
I'm aware of 6 characters that are almost certainly in this game: Link, Zelda, and the four Champions, Daruk, Mipha, Revali and Urbosa. I believe all 6 are here
I was considering that, but its very town sided to make such an obvious character setup for town. If what you are saying is true, we can likely find scum by mere character claims, since anyone claiming any of those characters you listed becomes almost certainly confirmed town, which is 6 confirmed players, and anyone claiming anything else is the remaining 2 scums and 1 town player. Its too easy to be true, but I am willing to put it to test.
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@Greyparrot
Tell us, oh parrot, what will save us?
Also, you seem more upset than usual. I guess Trump being sentenced hurts too much.
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@Greyparrot
Hookers won't save you from inflation, crime, and ww3
Yeah, crime didnt exist under Trump.
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@Savant
I also buy that Austin is town because he said his role is confirmable.
Thats usually a difficult soft claim for scum to make. It means he is going to have to prove it later in dp2.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
You guys havent posted much. What are your thoughts?
Also, is your character main character (one of the champions)?
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@Savant
Just to be sure, we should wait for others to come online. If character gets counter claimed, then its a confirmed lynch. If not, then its a risk which we might have to take unless better target appears.
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@Savant
When it comes to role, granny is definitely a lynch. Its the character claim which makes this difficult. I am not sure if mod changed the way he makes game or not.
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@Savant
I dont think mafia was given fake claim. If this game ia anything like the previous lord of the rings, mafia pretty much has to guess and hope it guessed correctly. I agree that sometimes mafia is given a very strong fake claim. Not sure if that happened now.
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@Savant
I want to wait and see if anyone counter claims. I guess it could be possible that its fake claim, but I think all 4 champions would have to be in the game. I could be wrong, but I guess later we will see in dp2 when all players character claim, if there are 4 champions, its unlikely a fake claim.
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@Casey_Risk
I'm Urbosa
Yeah, thats the character who I mentioned is most likely in game. I think unless someone counter claims, you are good for now.
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@Savant
On one hand, granny does seem like a role which I would most likely just lynch, especially with non-main character.
On the other hand, if true, it was good that it was claimed. We could have lost a cop if it was kept hidden.
I suggest we let things develop a bit more before we decide the lynch target. It does seem a bit unfair to quickly punish someone who might have just saved our cop.
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@Savant
Also, we have to be careful even if it is true that doctor can confirm. Mafia tends to have role block, redirect, or something similar. I think trying to confirm granny might be a horrible play depending on what scum has in their power. We could still be sacrificing one town player.
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@Savant
Its different from game to game, really depends on mod. But I guess if granny is in the game, it makes sense that doctor would get notified, otherwise why would granny be in the game if it cannot be combined with anything and might even kill cop if he investigates her?
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@Savant
If we have a doctor, they could heal whoever visits Granny I think
But then granny wouldnt be confirmed tho.
Her role, which is to kill whoever visits her, can only be confirmed if someone gets killed.
I guess there is a possibility that doctor gets notified of kill attempt while whoever visits her survives, but we need to ask mod if doctor will get confirmation.
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@Casey_Risk
Just to make it clear, can you die from lynch? Can you die during night phase?
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@Casey_Risk
Your role, as it stands right now, can only be confirmed if some town player visits you and dies, as scum wont visit you.
So yeah, as it stands, its a non-confirmable role unless some town player is willing to sacrifice himself to confirm you, which I am not sure if we can afford.
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@AustinL0926
If chaos occurs later on, you know who to blame
Can that chaos confirm your role as town? Because if it can, then its not so bad unless it overlays with some scum role.
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@AustinL0926
"The Champions are a group of characters from The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Zelda was the commander of the Champions, assisted by her appointed knight, Link, and the chosen four Divine Beasts pilots; Daruk, Mipha, Revali and Urbosa."
I think Link and these 4 must be in the game, so they are most important characters.
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Also, you can just use google to see the main characters, particularly the 4 very important ones which I think must be in this game.
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@AustinL0926
Not sure what's the criteria for this. Does having a major story arc count?
Is your character present 1. throughout the whole story, 2. for most of the story, 3. For some of the story, or 4. barely mentioned.
Usually, main characters are considered the first and to some degree, second.
Also, I guess the impact in the story counts too, but from what I know, heroes who are main characters are usually present for at least most of the story.
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I am one of the main heroes, so I guess this way we can easily tell who is most likely town.
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I suggest we all say if our characters are important heroes and main heroes, or are they some non-important heroes.
Obviously, no one is going to say they are villains, but scums are much more likely to claim some non-main hero.
So if this game is anything like the last one, I think its likely town has all or most of the main heroes.
So if we say now who has main heroes and who doesnt, it will be easier to hunt scum, and in dp2 once characters are claimed, if anyone lied about being main hero, he gets lynched.
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@Barney
Each day I may jump onto whomever is below me in the players list
No, no need to jump.
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I think I am a hero. My character seems like a good girl.
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