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No, Biden should pick Elizabeth Warren, but he's going to pick Kamala Harris.
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@ILikePie5
Themed mafia games work just fine with or without fake claims. It’s at my discretion whether to have them or not.
It certainly is at your discretion but I personally do not want to play in a game where scum is at such a significant disadvantage. You can remove me.
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@Greyparrot
There's no WAY you can tell a goddamned thing about what a person believes in their heart just by looking at their skin.
I can't click that link because I'm on a call and don't want sound to play, but why do you keep repeating yourself about race? I said that race was relevant; I never said it was the only thing that was relevant. The fact is white juries are much more likely to side with cops. This is an indisputable fact backed by data. That is exactly why they will want to move out of adiverse county to a whiter one... just watch.
In another chat YYW said they need a white, clean cut, clean shaven JAG type to prosecute the cop, and Chauvin needs a black, clean cut, tall, good looking defense attorney with two women on the defense team, ideally one of them being black. I completely agree with this. You are delusional if you think race has nothing to do with this. It shows how little you know about trying cases. Image wins cases. Emotion wins cases. How the jury FEELS means everything. Do they trust the attorney? Do they trust the cops? Do their tears seem real?
I agree a lot has changed since Rodney King and that there is a lot of pressure to convict, but that pressure can backfire. That can be used to manipulate the jury into NOT convicting. "They just want you to make an example out of these cops, but the facts show that these officers were doing what they were trained to do. This technique is shown in the police manual. The suspect resisted being handcuffed. We cannot tell police they are not able to use force to arrest someone..."
I'm telling you the fact that you're making this sound so easy is honestly just a reflection of pure ignorance. I'm not confident they will get murder 2. I think they will get murder 3 and hopefully the judge is smart enough to give him the max sentence. I'm worried about the other officers though; I think they will get off a lot easier than they should.
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@Greyparrot
You are like 10% right. Ideology is relevant but skin color most certainly is too, and people's visceral reaction to the news doesn't guarantee a verdict. OJ wasn't convicted. Casey Anthony wasn't convicted. The Rodney King cops weren't convicted. George Zimmerman wasn't convicted. These are high profile cases off the top of my head, but there are SO MANY and with cops there are even more cases where the jury can be moved by a reasonable doubt. It is incredibly easy to get police off. They can kill someone on video and get off... Eric Garner anyone? No charges. All it takes is one juror who has a son/ nephew/ cousin that is a cop and has empathy for the job cops do. All they have to do is picture the cop they know in a situation like that and it's very easy to be moved.
In most cases, it is extremely easy to portray a scenario in which a cop has to make a split second decision where he could have feared for his life. In this case, Chauvin's attorney is going to say that he was restraining a suspect that was being very disobedient and resisting arrest. He will say that Minnesota cops are allowed to use chokeholds (they are barred in some states but not MN) and that it is unfortunate that accidents happen. He will say Floyd was overweight, that he had Fentanyl in his system, and that this was a mistake but not intentional murder.
What I'm really upset about are the two cops who are going to be very "sympathetic" because it was their 3rd and 4th day on the job. They are going to use the defense that they were following their superior officer. One of them asked if they should roll Floyd over on his side. If I was the prosecutor, I would say "That's nice but at what point did you remove your knee from his back?"
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@bmdrocks21
Candace Owens is trash. What does that have to do with anything?
She is the "intelligent black woman" in the OP video. I was going to write a more thoughtful response about how tone deaf and idiotic this perspective is (focusing on George Floyd's criminal record), but I just don't have the energy and she's not worth it. Anyone that desperate to straw man the narrative in this way is trash, plain and simple.
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@ILikePie5
I don’t need to.
You need to. There will be people who have never seen whichever show you choose. On day phase 1 people are going to ask for character claims; sometimes people even demand a mass claim. It will be obvious that scum doesn't know what to claim, especially if they haven't seen the show.
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@Greyparrot
Honestly, I can't imagine a jury filled with Danielle's and Imabench's would give a murdering cop even a second look.
The defense attorneys are almost certainly going to ask for a change of venue out of Hennepin County to one of the white working class suburbs. They won't convict a cop for anything. It is incredibly rare for police to be convicted, even in 2020. I don't know why you think anyone like me would be on the jury lol.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I'm all for burning down chain stores but people who violently attack civilians should be shot.
Let me clarify: if police violently attack civilians, the police should be raped and then shot.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I'm all for burning down chain stores but people who violently attack civilians should be shot.
And if they're police, they should be raped, then shot.
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I have a liberal friend who defends the burning of a city down over 1 dead guy.
Good Lord. You can't fake ignorance like this.
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@ILikePie5
I can’t say if I will or I won’t.
You need to give fake character claims in themed games like this.
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Candace Owens is trash, and so are most people commenting in this thread.
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@Imabench
If the 2nd Degree Murder charge fails because the prosecution cant prove Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, then even if the 2nd Degree Manslaughter charge is upheld, Floyd is looking at 10 years in prison at a maximum
This is wrong. Even if you're not found guilty of 2nd Degree Murder, you can still be convicted of 3rd Degree.
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@Greyparrot
That fact that you would suggest a white-skinned MALE police officer, (probably straight) has an advantage with a jury composed of leftist mouth breathers shows you put zero effort into at least that part of your analysis.
This is an incredibly dumb statement. Cops are notoriously hard to convict.
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Is the mafia going to get fake claims? 13 Reasons Why I guess...
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I may have been a little dramatic in saying the "overwhelming" majority. It's just the majority.
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@ILikePie5
Where’s the evidence? This is a radical claim you’re making.
It's not a claim; it's an opinion so I don't have to prove it. I can EXPLAIN it by noting the perpetual systemic problems. The lack of whistleblowers should upset everyone.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
you want to make it a race thing but if you'd search just a little you'd see it a cop thing.
It's not JUST a race thing, but it certainly IS a race thing.
The overwhelming majority of cops are trash which is why there is a systemic problem. It's not only about race although it definitely is a factor.
There's a reason that cunt cop felt perfectly comfortable doing what he did and killing someone while being recorded and with other cops standing around. He obviously didn't expect that guy to die but NONE of what he did is allowed.
If you watch the video from another angle, it shows the other cops digging deeper and pushing Floyd down harder as he pleads to stand up for air. All of the cops will be charged and I hope they all get raped in jail, along with every other cop who abuses their power and watches others abuse theirs.
I understand the protests. Watching the Floyd videos makes me want to set things afire. I feel rage, sadness, hopelessness and anger. I cannot imagine how those feelings would be intensified if I were a black person and routinely watched people get away with murdering others who look like me.
The peaceful protestors and community organizers are openly and actively decreeing the bad behavior of looters and taking actions to try and stop it. What's funny is y'all want to hold the actions of a few looters against the protest as a whole, but you won't hold all law enforcement accountable for the actions of these murderous pieces of shit. People won't do it in spite of the fact that by and large law enforcement institutions, including unions, do gymnastics to protect or shield bad officers from punishment. Sad.
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@Vader
As much as I can do being a 16 year old
Lol, fair enough.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
destroying your own city, your neighbors lively hood etc is not fighting the state nor has any conservative group or pro 2a done that.
I'm not going to repeat myself on the utility of protests to respond to this straw man.
it took more than a few seconds for him to become unconscious so your hyperbole isn't helpful.
Everything that cop did was illegal. You aren't allowed to choke someone to death. You aren't allowed to use deadly force when someone is lying on the ground with their neck under your knee cap. The cop had a disgusting SMIRK on his face as he had someone pinned down on the ground pleading for their life, gasping for air, not posing any physical threat at all whatsoever. He was surrounded by other cops as back-up so this pussy can't even use the little bitch defense that he was "scared for his life" as all pathetic cops do when they constantly shoot dogs and shit.
Surveillance footage shows the cops lies about Floyd resisting arrest (big surprise). The coroner's report showed the cop kept his knee pressed on Floyd's neck for almost 3 full minutes after he was unconscious. You could see from two seconds of the video that once Floyd was subdued, every single violent action the cop took was illegal let alone breaking his neck. Just stop with the pathetic attempts at excuses or "two sides to every story" nonsense because it's sickening. Don't embarrass yourself.
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@Vader
Rioting is criminal behavior.Killing people is criminal behavior.
Colin Kaepernick kneeled down and donated money to community outreach problems and got shit all over. Riots get national attention and promote change. I don't think it's the best way but I understand why people are doing it. Stop with the toxic positivity bullshit.
What are you doing to help? What have you ever done to help or make your voice heard on this issue? Probably nothing so I don't think anyone who worries about this life experience cares about your perspective.
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Those who try to justify the riots expose themselves for the kind of people they truly are.
Presuming riots are unjustified is an attitude reserved for the privileged and the ignorant. The white boys commenting here are both. Ya'll have never been harassed by police for your race, do not fear cops because of your race, do not experience systemic injustice for race or any other reason (this is where a few people step in to claim they're poor, aww) and quite frankly if this incident doesn't turn your stomach then there is no hope for you. You will always be vanilla bumpkins who prefer to be comfortable than acknowledge the very real problems we have with law enforcement. That's fine. I've said my peace and we'll see if this prick is finally used to set an example for scumbag cops who feel perfectly comfortable murdering someone on camera while their colleagues stand around and watch. The fact that this cop felt so okay doing that and nobody stopped him proves (although there is a lot of proof) that cops simply do not fear retaliation for their perpetual abuses. Sad.
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@blamonkey
I doubt anybody is willing to defend violent protests.
Wrong.
Regardless of if he is charged with a crime or what charge is appropriate
Stop. He murdered someone on film. For no reason. The appropriate charge is clear.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
took a while before the actual truth came out and the lies uncovered so yeah it does take more than a few seconds.
I'm commenting on this incident. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to know what he did was blatant murder.
You're not allowed to put your knee on someone's fucking throat until they're unconscious. Even if you're a cop. Surprise!
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@Vader
You're responding to hate with hate. We should respond to hate with love. Ghandi did it and his mission became successful.
Almost 30 years after Rodney King and it took 5 days to arrest this murderer? Fuck that.
That Ghandi example is cute, but I doubt you want to go tit-for-tat in name dropping success stories. History is chock full of examples of military prowess and violence leading to meaningful change and revolution. This country's founding is one of many examples where we celebrate victory through violence.
Businesses have insurance. Unfortunately force is the only thing people respond to sometimes. That and financial disruptions. It looks like these protests are looking to utilize both.
Innocent people suffering is always tragic, but when the people are fighting GOVERNMENT our options are limited. It's hilarious that white people and conservatives love celebrating the 2nd amendment and noting how we might need weapons to fight the state one day, but when we see black people do it, it's automatically criminal and unjustifiable and we look for "peaceful" resolution. Ha.
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@Vader
Links to cops calling out Chauvin
*Really slow clap*
Wow, that changes everything.
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@Vader
Simply not true.
People are speaking about this incident because it's fucking reprehensible and indefensible. It also comes days after the Ahmad A. incident. But don't sit there and pretend cops don't unilaterally defend their fellow boys in blue 99.9% of the time. I'm not going to waste my time arguing that nonsense.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Are you so numb to this that you couldn't fathom that there could possibly be more, that someone couldn't possibly be so barbaric?
I believe there are multiple sides to every story per se, but even if we had only seen a few seconds of that incident it would be enough to know it was definitively wrong.
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@ILikePie5
I haven’t seen one person support the cops in the George Floyd case
Good. I saw bmdrocks21 make some pretty stupid posts on page 1 though.
Another response I like is bitching about the people rioting. This coming from the snowflakes who had an epic meltdown when Colin Kaepernick took a knee and tried to protest peacefully in silence.
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@Dr.Franklin
2.you arent going to respect a large group of people(686k people), because of 4 cops?well i hate ALL BLACKS, Dont like it?Too bad. Cry about it remember less than 0.01% of cops committed police brutality
No, respecting someone for the job they hold alone is really stupid. If I'm going to do that then it's going to be for doctors and nurses who save lives every single day and don't go around demanding that everyone lick their assholes like cops do (and look at you complying! how do they taste?). I have no idea why you think cops automatically deserve reverence but that boot licking mentality is pathetic and has no place in my life.
The comparison of blacks and cops is also pathologically stupid. "Blacks" do not hold positions of inherent power and authority. Blacks are not known to be above the law. Blacks do not have a reputation for getting away with murder. Blacks do not have a union that specifically shields them from the abuses they notoriously commit. Etc.
I never said I hated all cops in this thread btw. In my last post I did call out good cops for being pussies but prior to that I didn't say anything about hating ALL cops. Interesting you'd go with that narrative though.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
in this country you have to have a trial and go through due process before being convicted, which in this case hasn't happened yet has it, if you have some kind of clairvoyance to know these cops won't be charged let us know and the winning lottery numbers too if you don't mind.
I never said they wouldn't be charged (though there is certainly precedent for that) nor did I say that the murderer did not deserve due process. He does. I'm glad he was charged. I hope he is convicted and gets raped in jail.
What I said is that people who are claiming there are "two sides to this story" or looking for laughably pathetic excuses to try and come up with an asinine justification for the murder (or the cops who stood around and watched someone get murdered) are disgusting human beings and I stand by that.
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@Dr.Franklin
quit your BS and back the blue
No. "Good cops" are too pussy to stand up to their coworkers. They are more loyal to each other than the community, the law, or the oath they took.
I don't have to respect anyone, let alone a stranger. Don't like it? Too bad. Cry about it.
The cops who demand respect instead of earning it (and people like you who lick their boots) are pathetic.
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@Lunatic
I wouldn't necessarily policy-lynch Oro for inactivity, because by that logic, we'd also have to policy-lynch Sui and Max who are inactive in just about every game I've ever played with them (Sui is only active in forum games when Magic plays).
But I have to say I am a little put off by game play like Ragnar's and Oro's because I don't know if they are just weak players or not.
I believe this was my first game I've played with Oro and just about everything he said was wrong (I said last dp that anyone defending Zaradi as town at that point would be read scum to me as trying too hard for town cred, which is why I was convinced YYW and Oro were guilty at the end of last dp -- it wasn't until YY pressured Sui today that I started to experience confusion via WIFOM) and I figured that people who played with Oro would have called him out as scum for poor logic if what he was saying was out of the ordinary. Instead, iirc when I called Oro out on dp1 people said "that's just how he plays as town" so I never questioned it really. If that's the case and really he plays that way as town (sheeping, not contributing much, little to no analysis, etc.) then I will probs lynch him on game play going forward.
Just like I expect to put a lot more pressure on town YYW going forward because he usually plays very anti-town as town. In this game he had the BEST opportunities to play pro-town because Ragnar and Zaradi didn't play well imo. None of YY's pressure on Ragnar was contrived because Ragnar played poorly, and YY jumping on the Zaradi wagon was easy and didn't read scum until he started to defend Zaradi. He let me lead the charge against him and could have easily convinced Sui (if he had to) that I was scum for pushing that mislynch, while still not appearing scum himself for hopping on.
I'm gonna come on this evening to play Live Mafia. Send me a link :)
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@coal
I still think the town's loss is more proximately attributable to Ragnar than anyone else.Ragnar's actions set in motion my strategy that cost town the game.
I mean I read him town at the end of dp1 but only because of what Zaradi did, and assumed he was masons with Zaradi or Zaradi was the doc. Because Ragnar didn't know if there was a doc, then claiming the way he did didn't make sense, I agree. But if he were a mason (and at the time, you weren't sure if he was) I could see the utility in what he did.
Like I said in the game, the whole point of the mason role is to be confirmed town. So if he were really masons with Zaradi then they could have confirmed two townies and their play would have been salvageable. I don't get why you guys didn't kill Zaradi instead of Ragnar np1 which is the only thing that made sense in my mind. Because if he were the doc he would have been on Ragnar, and if he were a mason he would be confirmed town later so wouldn't it have made sense to target him np1?
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@coal
(I skimmed your post -- I find them hard to read when I'm tired, sorry). Did you know Zaradi was lying about having a PR?
Ragnar's play was annoying but Zaradi's was too. Gambits aren't always bad and maybe it's just because I don't know Zaradi well enough, but that seemed pretty dumb. There was no way for him to know if Ragnar was town that early on and I feel like that really could have hurt town if we had a doctor that was outed because of it. It would have been a much different game if Zaradi didn't replace out (or do that in the first place).
Although, had those two played differently and we lynched Ragnar dp1 followed by a game of all vanillas, I don't think town would have stood a chance. I probs would have lost interest entirely.
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@Lunatic
Let's policy lynch Zaradi instead. What the hell was that?
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@sui_generis
maybe Dani will reveal she had a huge thesis planned and I fucked myself, but
Nope, though voting for me was really stupid and unjustifiable with 2 living scum.
I thought this was a decent game! YYW played it brilliantly. His normal town meta is so anti-town that his far more collaborative style in this game threw me off. He was actually playing like a townie!
Like I said to warren, it was obvious on DP3 that scum was between YYW and someone else. I wanted to let YYW and Sui have a dialog about it to give warren something to go off next day phase (knowing I'd be killed in the night). It was a true 50-50 toss up for me between Sui and Oro and I had no idea which one of them was scum.
On one hand Sui was pretty inactive but he always is, and all I could remember was him declaring to sheep me which I could see him doing as scum. On the other hand, Oro's few contributions to the game were incredibly dumb and provided zero utility whatsoever, BUT he just declared his mom in hospice so I immediately felt like an asshole for giving him pushback and said as much.
At the end of last day phase I was 95% sure scum was between YYW and Oro, but when YYW pressured Sui this day phase it threw me off so that was really smart. I was 50/50 because I assumed that it would be smart for him to bus. I was happy to leave warren alive with the last WIFOM vote next day phase because I really wasn't sure.
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@Dr.Franklin
I didn't say anything about looting. Ya'll did.
I said they should protest with guns like white people do.
If you automatically correlate black gun ownership with criminality, you might be a racist.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
What a sad story. Good to know that if a white child is shot they will actually charge a cop with murder.
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@warren42
They have a time and place, but denying it was ever softing a PR was what did it for me.
They have a time and place, but he:
- played dumb (multiple times) and pretended he didn't claim anything
- did not know if Ragnar was town (it was early dp 1) but took the risk anyway
- did not know (but it was likely) if another PR would out themselves to call him a liar
- did not defend this action after playing dumb and replaced out
- did not get targeted during the night
Lynching Zaradi is the only thing that made sense yesterday.
You're gonna be at WIFOM tomorrow and have to decide if coal is bussing Sui or not. Of course Sui has barely posted so good luck with that.
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A ton of black people with guns should take to the streets to protest like people did when they couldn't get haircuts.
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Disgusting, and even more disgusting was the horrifying display of the cops standing around doing nothing because they're too cowardly and brainwashed to do the right and lawful thing. They would rather watch someone get murdered then dare say anything against a fellow boy in blue. Pussy ass bitches. I hope they are all charged and convicted. If they do this on camera, imagine what they do off?!
Anyone saying there are two sides to this grotesque injustice is a trash human being.
It doesn't matter what Floyd did beforehand. Unless he raped a child right before this video then there is no crime that warrants this action at all, period.
I repeat: anyone saying there are two sides to this grotesque injustice is a trash human being. I don't care if he pulled a gun on these cops beforehand (which he didn't). I don't care if he was on PCP. Whatever excuses ya'll make are pathetic. Drink bleach.
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Just FYI, I am always going to read gambits like that anti-town and vtl. It wasn't an informed gambit. So risky. So stupid.
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@Lunatic
Pretty sure scum is among Zaradi/coal or Zaradi/Oro. I'll play Mafia with you elsewhere. Work is slow. Send me the link next time :p
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I'm not sure I think the case against Zaradi is sufficient but looking at the collapse of activity it may be the only lever for progressing the game.
The only inactive players now are you and Sui.
Vanillas can claim PRs to draw night kills, but the mafia didn't NK Zaradi so they never seemed to fear him as an actual PR, yes?
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@sui_generis
@oromagi
@airmax1227
What is the vote count? I think Zaradi/Speed is at 3/4 with Lunatic, me and coal on him.
Are we waiting for Sui, Oro, or Max to post...?
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Btw I knew there was no theme per se; I just didn't realize everyone would be incentivized to claim vanilla cuz I skimmed the OP and potential set-ups. I thought it was like that Live Mafia chat site where they show you the roles on the side, but at least one mafioso usually fake claims a role from what I recall.
I will say that I take back what I said about having nothing to go on in a game full of vanillas, but I maintain I hate that set-up lol. I don't want to play in games like that going forward. Had Zaradi not given us anything to go on day phase 1, I probably wouldn't have participated so much this day phase. I just don't think a game of useless shitposting in day phase 1 is fun -- I prefer tricking people up through claims pressure, analyzing how wagons build later, figuring out how to try and confirm people, etc. rather than a game where everyone will just claim vanilla and it's blah. That's just my preference. But I am learning to be more open-minded I guess.
Zaradi could have made a claim work but didn't. I will get my popcorn ready for the endgame.
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@Lunatic
Ladies and Gentlemen, my college essay of a case against Speedrace (Zaradi) and Coal.
coal is playing to a town meta, just not HIS town meta. His meta is tunneling me in each and every game (regardless of affiliation) and making very assertive, objective stances as if he knows who is definitely scum. He also likes to try and boss people around which I always find very amusing.
In this game he has played very pro town insofar as cooperating with others, considering many options/scenarios, not tunneling, and didn't seem moved by things I missed that could have been portrayed as anti-town so I just considered him town and ignored the content in 90% of his posts. If he is scum then it would actually be brilliant to play to a regular town meta instead of his usual one. Until his defense of Zaradi, there was nothing he said or did that read anti-town to me at all. However I can't overlook the Zaradi defense at this point. There was no reason for Zaradi to do what he did as town and I could see how that post where Zaradi threatened to hard claim to him being a set-up.
We have to lynch Zaradi today and I am comfortable vtl coal tomorrow, though it would be nice not to have to think about the inactives. If one of them wins as scum, that would be ass.
Lucky should have just left the zaradi slot empty since it's getting lynched anyway, and used speedrace for oromagi or sui...
Or Airmax, agree.
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