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@Double_R
You can't just give them all of the credit or all of the blame for what happens. You need to look at how their words and actions impacted the state of our country and judge them based on that.
This is what Greyparrot was talking about. Why are you blaming only Trump for Jan 6? As far as I know Trump finally accepted the results and called for peace. So, why not just forget about it and move on?
And I agree with you, by the way. It's not all Biden's fault. The Congress has to be held accountable too for the current disaster, they should have impeached Biden long time ago.
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@Double_R
... it is not an exaggeration or hyperbole to say that it has the potential to end the American experiment.
I think it is.
Jan 6 was just an anecdote. Democrats are going to use it for roasting Trump, of course. I heard that the democrats turned this date into a sort of anniversary, haha.
Whatever, the reality is that Trump is first in the polls and you have to blame Biden and not Trump for all the fuck-ups 'merica should face in the near future.
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In order to keep this thread alive, I leave this interesting video. Thank you.
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@Greyparrot
Is still there time for DNC to reconsider their decision? They should. Haha.
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@FLRW
Actually, the tax cuts added $8 trillion to the Debt.If you divide the current national debt amongst the total U.S. tax payers, you will find that each taxpayer owes $154,142.
The debt has been increasing exponentially since the 80s if I remember correctly. But let me check anyway.
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@Greyparrot
I don't know how the american system works, so would you mind explaining what Biden's choices are? I mean, is it possible that Biden quits the election without quitting the government?
Considering the terrible economic crisis that is going to blow up in Biden's face, I think he has to flee from the US. Lol.
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@Double_R
You are focusing only on superficial issues. It's righ that Trump as president should have behaved himself, or as any other politician, he should have been hypocritical. The image is important and his bad manners played against him to the point that he had the lowest approval rating when he left office. He didn't realize that everytime he opened his mouth, he was giving his opponents material to be politically attacked, especially during the covid lockdowns, he was really hysterical.
Nevertheless, if you forget about his personality, he did a fairly good job by means of important policies. In the end, that's the reason why he was elected, to do what the democrats didn't want to do, like the migration control, the tax cuts to improve the economy, the drawing of the military from middle east countries so to bring peace to the world. Mind you, there were no wars in Trump's administration. So, you shouldn't wonder why he is first in the polls. And if nobody stops him he will be president again.
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@aql_reason
This is what you said: "I always measure the ideologies according to their results."results(def): a consequence, effect, or outcome of something.That's pragmatic way of thinking.Pragmatism: an approach that assesses the truth of meaning of theories or beliefs in terms of the success of their practical application.Then this is what you said: "Look at the West that embraced christianity, they're advanced"So Christianity is more true than Islam because Muslims failed to be "advanced". Then you generalized.
You're misunderstanding what pragmatism is about.
"Pragmatism is a philosophical movement that includes those who claim that an ideology or proposition is true if it works satisfactorily, that the meaning of a proposition is to be found in the practical consequences of accepting it, and that unpractical ideas are to be rejected."
Pragmatism is not about outcomes or results but practicality which means if something can be carried out without much effort. Even in the defintion you gave, it doesn't mention anything about outcomes. In the example of christinity, it's not about pragmatism because the christian beliefs remain, and you and me know very well these beliefs have no practicality or utility at all.
Christian culture is highly embedded in western society. Even when atheism rises, the culture will remain christian. That's the reason. Christianity now has become about personal connection with God and focuses on faith.
And?
Islam is a way of life so focuses on all aspects of life: social, political, legal, etc. It rejects secularism. Secularism is a hoax anyway. There is no freedom for all. Not everyone has rights even in western countries. The more lawful a society, the less freedom it has. Freedom is overrated. Truth matters more.
If you're unable to see that what you just described is an example of dogmatism, then it's impossible to make you understand anything that goes against your dogma.
Oh, dogma, that reminds me of a ma'am that thinks exactly like you. Lol.
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@Best.Korea
Well, how do I switch to different character?
I don’t know. Try meditation.
Are you suggesting me to get penis surgery?
You're a MAP, you don’t need a big cock. 😁
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@aql_reason
And that sentence right there is what proves where your ideology comes from: Pragmatism. You believe truthful ideas comes from what is successful in practicality. Which is not a logical way of thinking.
No. Pragmatism focuses on utility, the logic I present focuses on common sense.
You know, christianity was always an obstacle for the progress of the West, but instead of getting rid of it, it was prefered to keep the good which is the Christian moral, and decided to leave the useless nonsense for the believers: rituals and stupid beliefs.
So in the end it was a win-win decision, nobody thought about the utility but that everyone gets the best out of it. We don't need motherfucking priests that impose ilogical measures on people. We trust on logic and common sense for our lives, and the beliefs remain personal.
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I think you got it wrong. The theory states that this is a virtual reality simulation and there is only one player playing all the characters. This player is what religions call "God".
The goal of the VR is to realize that you're actually this player playing the game so to enjoy (or endure) the experience. This is the process of awakening.
So, instead of playing the victim card and complaining all the time, I suggest you to try at least to change your life if you don't like what you're doing.
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I always measure the ideologies according to their results.
Look at the West that embraced christianity, they're advanced. We're not the best in morality, there is a lot to do yet, but it's a bliss to have been born in the West. And I think a western woman would say the same. I'm not a fan of the bible but I think it's the best of a bad bunch.
Now, look at the Middle East how primitive their lifes are. Women treated as less than shit, people getting beheaded, men assaulting noble goats, people exploding themselves into pieces in name of a "God". I mean, christians in the middle age weren't so savage.
So, dear poster, you can draw your own conclusions.
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@Sidewalker
would like to say I'm above such thinking myself, but the truth is, not a day goes by that I don't hope something bad happens to Trump.
Maybe you were never a Republican. I don’t see any political reason to hate Trump except for his personal traits. And I understand it, I would never like to meet a person like Trump. He seems to be selfish, self-serving, and very insolent. But people don't care about it, what people want is that someone solve their problems, and for extraordinary problems you need extraordinary solutions, so Trump is the only one that can do it. Although, I think the indian candidate is also a good candidate for that purpose.
But tell me, is it his personal traits or his political ideas that bother you so much? If it's the last then you fit very well in the democrat party.
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@Double_R
You're not defending him but you are implying that it's the left that we should be concerned about while ignoring that the problem is far worse on the right. It comes off as a disingenuous concern.
What you're not taking into consideration is that Trump is a political incorrect person, he doens't keep anything to himself, he says what nobody dares to say. I've never seen someone like him because this attitude is very risky and can create a lot of enemies. Besides, the democrats have leaned to the left in a very radical way, that's pretty new for us so we can't determine how leftists can react.
So the question would be, does the US need a person like Trump? I think so. You can't believe how much the world has changed with Trump. Here in South America there are more people that says what they have to say without the fear of being censored by the left who believes to be the universal moral authority, especially in the social media. So, it would't be surprising if Trump ends up being killed by a lefty. And again, I hope nothing bad happens.
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@Sidewalker
it wouldn't surprise me at all if somebody kills Trump, but I don't think there's a prophecy to that effect, if there was, we'd have seen it all over the place.
Alright, this is a common ground then.
Prophecies like the thrird world war or the economic crisis shouldn't be fulfilled, for our sake, but they are necessary to create consciousness.
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@zedvictor4
Nice to communicate with you, and all the best for the New Year.
Likewise, Victor.
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@zedvictor4
Latinamerica is quite diverse, I guess it's same in Europe where there are shitty countries too (in Eastern Europe). I mean, Europe is wealthier than Latinamerica, but it also has main problems concerning violence basically because of the illegal migration. Netherlands is having troubles with criminality, I heard of a journalist murdered by a north african drug cartel. France is not anymore the country it used to be. Swedish is on the same path.
Even so, Europe is still a good place to live, no doubt, at least until the Third World War outbreaks. The same happens in Latinamerica. If you were to live here you just have to do your research. For instance, I plan on retiring in Costa Rica which is a good place to spend my old age. Even in Mexico that is motherfucking violent, there are lot of foreigners that live there because the cost of living is irresistibly low and some cities not taken by drug dealers provide a decent quality of life.
As to the dictatorships, what can I say, Victor? Europe also has dictators: Putin, Lukashenko, and others I don't remember now. If you notice, current European dictatorships were once part of the communist bloc. Latinamerican dictatorships became a problem since the Cold War and since Cuba was taken by communism. Hugo Chavez was trained in Cuba, just to give you an idea. All the current latinamerican socialists without exception praise Cuba as a political and economic model, that's crazy shit. The cancer of Latinamerica is socialism, and the US is being taken by this ideology, I'm afraid. Europe was once nearly taken by communism but fortunately the US and later the social democracy saved Europe.
So, you were just very lucky, Victor. Latinamerica was shaped by European migration and culture so I don't see why we couldn't get the same development. Remember, once the third world war outbreaks, the best place you could choose to flee is Latinamerica.
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@Double_R
Curious as to why you keep ignoring the point I'm making. For someone so concerned about the fomenting of political violence, you sure seem to have nothing to say about all of the judges and prosecutors literally just doing their jobs that Trump continues to attack everyday resulting in a serious, tangible, and clearly correlated increase in threats to the safety of themselves and their families which Trump has done absolutely nothing to push back against. It's there a reason for that, or is it only a problem if it happens to Trump?
Well, you just gave a good reason to kill Trump.
I'm not defending him, if you noted. I'm just trying to understand the situation.
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@Sidewalker
Why would Democrats do that, Trump is the best thing to ever happen to the Democratic Party, he has single handedly destroyed the Republican Party, if anything, liberals will put up a Trump statue.
But the last poll is at odds with what you're saying.
I think you need to stay off the conspiracy sites.
I have good reasons to believe in these prophecies that have been published way before the advent of the internet.
But even so, the prophecy is not clear which is the reason why I'm asking if it's possible the political assasination of Trump. And it's not something new, Tucker Carlson has been saying it for a long time.
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@Double_R
The problem is not on the left.
The left is teaching people to hate Trump. And considering the poor mental health in the US, my guess is that Trump will be murdered sooner or later by a liberal wacko that is going to shout "black lives matter" while he stabs Trump.
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@Reece101
Imagine if Jeffrey Epstein got suicided under a Democratic administration.
I don't get it. What do you mean?
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@Lemming
I was checking on internet and I found some attempts to kill Trump:
As I said, the US has a big problem of mental health. Trump could be murdered by a liberal zealot from the "black lives matters" movement. Lol.
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@Double_R
You referred to time as a "creation of the ultimate creator". For it to have a creator that means something had to come before it, which could not be the case if time itself did not already apply.
As I said, time for us is just a perception, an illusion, so I should have said "the perception of time was created by this ultimate creator", but for practical purposes, let's say time doesn't exist according to quantum mechanics.
Both answers fail and there's no third option. So the only honest answer remaining is "I don't know".
Your argument comes with a trap. You argue that creation involves getting something from nothing, which is not true. Creation is basically transform something from one state to another. So, if you have something that is eternal and at the same time have the capacity to change by itself, you can create whatever you want while you don't break the Lavoisier law.
Of course, I can be wrong and there may be a third option that we don't know yet.
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@zedvictor4
So where do you reside?
I live in Peru for now. I expect to move to Brasil or Chile, or maybe to Argentina if it gets better with the libertarian Milei, but I'm having fun where I am now.
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@Double_R
I'm not sure why you seem to think liberals are the threat here, you really need to ask yourself whether you're looking in the right place.
Well, maybe you can help us find out who is really interested in getting rid of Trump. I can't think of any other group than the liberals.
If you see it carefully, liberals are even using the justice system to get Trump out, this is unbelievable. So, the concern for Trump's life is founded.
Maybe he's going to be murdered by a radicalized liberal person as it's common in the US, too much mentally sick people there.
I sincerely hope nothing bad happens.
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@Double_R
This is an incoherent concept. A timeless existence would by definition be completely static, which is to say change is definitionally excluded. Creation by definition requires a state where something goes from not existing in it's described form to existing in it's described form. That's a change, which contradicts the notion of a timeless existence.
I didn't mention anything about "timeless". Eternal doesn't necesarily mean "timeless", I said it's not affected by time, meaning that time is part of its existence, or if you will, this ultimate creator is part of the QUANTUM REALITY. You should know that according to quantum mechanics, time is just a variable, and the linear progression of time is just a perception, an illusion, so it's possible to change it.
Besides, either you're atheist or theist, in order to solve the puzzle of the universe existence, there is no better solution than the eternal existence, which means the universe or the material it is composed of should have always existed. Or do you really think the universe came up out of nothing? Lol.
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@zedvictor4
What about you and your American cousins? (I'm assuming that you live in the USA)
No, I don't live in the US, but I met some americans, most of them republicans, and they are nationalists as hell (somewhat like Greyparrot), but they're cool.
I heard of bad experiences with black americans from some folks of mine, though. I don't know, I guess black people are an issue in the US.
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This may sound like old news, but given the current context in which liberals can't get Trump out of the elections, do you think liberals are capable of doing what the title of this thread says?
Remember that in the US history there have been several political assasinations, even to a president (JFK), so many people think Trump's time has come. Personally, I think it doesn't make sense because democrats will lose anyway whether Trump is in the election or not. However, there is a renowned prophecy circulating on the internet that speaks of the assasination of an important american politician that the prophecy calls "the orchestra man", so people think Trump is "the orchestra man".
What do you think?
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@Double_R
In this case, the problem of who created God is for me the strongest against. My version of it is as follows;
This argument is no longer a problem. If you consider the ultimate creator ("God" in this case) as eternal, meaning not affected by the time, you don’t need to go any further. And that is possible because time is just a variable according to physic laws, which means time is just a creation of the ultimate creator.
All the same, this doesn’t necessarily demostrate the existence of God, specially if we consider the "God" of religions which to me it doesn't exist. To me it's possible the existence of an utimate creator which has to be conscious, but this doesn’t mean a religious "God".
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@zedvictor4
Alright, but I was asking basically If all the "british" people get along each other. I once met an english old man in the DDO forum who used to speak of the non-londoners in a very derogatory way, deeming them as little less than primitives. This old guy was very funny, by the way, showing good manners and politeness.
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@zedvictor4
I didn't hear much about the Welsh, but you seem to be different from the irish and scotish that really dislike the english.
Do you dislike the english, Victor? Do you the Welsh have self-esteem? Lol.
Do you dislike the english, Victor? Do you the Welsh have self-esteem? Lol.
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@ebuc
What tribe do you belong to? What is your first language, ebuc?
I heard a lot that people in the Great Britain don't gel alone, even among the "english" people. So much differences there it seems.
Who do you dislike the most, ebuc? The english? Lol.
I heard a lot that people in the Great Britain don't gel alone, even among the "english" people. So much differences there it seems.
Who do you dislike the most, ebuc? The english? Lol.
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You need to be more than an atheist to murder an evil person. It's not that easy. Nevertheless, I think an atheist can support death penalty for evil people.
As to the prostitutes, I know a lot of atheists that don’t like it and a lot of Christians that like it as much as Bill Clinton does. Lol.
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Though Welsh farmers are/were renowned for their proclivities.
Hummm... I heard a lot of stories about farmers banging their animals all over the world. Muslims do it with their goats, for example, that's why they're known as goat fuckers. It seems that we men can't help it when we have no other option.
If you get lost in an Island with another guy, you both have to help each other in this matter. Lol.
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@ponikshiy
How do you know that? you're suppossed to be a russian slut. Lol.
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He will be forced to quit. Remember my words.
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I guess you will stop opening threads about Trump all the time. Man, that was annoying as hell, seemed that you felt in love with him. Lol.
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@Stephen
Jesus said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".<<< That also should be significant.Jesus here is speaking of the celestial "heavenly" House he is claiming to belong to. You may want to keep that in mind.
I've read Jesus is the God's son of Pisces House, and Moses is the one of Aries House. Do you agree with that?
What do you expect to happen in the coming years (or decades)? According to some prophecies that apparently come from the aliens (the new angels), they are showing up with their crafts anytime soon to live with us. There will be a deep crisis in the church. Also, there is a coming discovery related to Egypt and the Christ that nobody understands. And a new civilization model that is going to come up in Argentina.
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@Stephen
The thing that you probably do not realise is that you had won your argument for "ancient alien gods" with probably your fist post. And the bible won your argument for you regardless of what the theist believe. You see if it is as the bible says and the theist believe - that "god" created the Earth thousands of years ago,- then it stands to even their own reasoning and belief that "god" is not of this Earth therefore he is an " ancient alien"... from somewhere else, if the bible is to be believed?
Indeed. I've got to recognize that your theory of astrology related to ancient civilizations was a bit odd to me, but as long as I deepened it I ended up realizing it's not an esotheric subject or something of that sorts.
In fact, Carl Jung studied it and there are scholars that still study it, specially for the rich symbolism, so it's a serious thing. I still don’t know how I overlooked it.
The "ancient alien gods" of bible use the words - generation and generations a lot. In the case of these "ancient gods" what do you think the may have meant ? D.
I don't know. I guess the fathers pass down the knowledge they got from the aliens to their sons until the change of power.
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@Stephen
That depends on what you believe Jesus meant when he replied "My kingdom is not of this world".
I guess he's part of this group that requested the power. All the same, he should be inmortal or live long to still be alive, unless he is an alien.
I asked you what the Sign was, not what is believed to occur at the crossing over of the ages/houses.
Well, the sign of Pisces is "the fish", for Aquarium it's "the water carrier", but I can't think of any group with the sign of "the water carrier".
They do wield a lot of power I agree. But they do not have all the power and certainly do not posses all the knowledge.
I don't know, Stephen. It occurs to me it can be the US and England, but the power of these countries is recent. On the other hand, the Vatican/Rome has been two millenia, that's why I think it's the Vatican/Rome.
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@Stephen
Did you watch the 20 minute video, to the end, D.?
Yes, I did. As I said, it's pretty funny the lithomancy stuff and that objects can talk, but the rest of the story is quite common in NDEs, when people go through it they feel it's better to be dead than alive, so at the end these people are not afraid of death anymore.
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Well, lithomancy is pretty weird and funny, but the rest of the old man's story is quite common among people that had NDEs.
What is your take on psychism, Stephen? As far as I could see, Sitchen takes it as given among the ancient "Gods".
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@Stephen
Luke 21:25-26 "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken", <<, this is caused by the close proximity other "heavenly bodies" are to the Earth. Similar can be read in Matthew 24:29 ESV "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken".
Well, I guess this is what Sitchens referred to as the 12th planet that will come sooner or later to hit the earth. Am I right?
But going by your ancient alien/"god" theory , IlDiavolo it is this that should interest you most. Jesus is asked by Pilate, " are you a king"? and Jesus replies: "My kingdom is not of this world". John 18:33-36.Jesus makes clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven (Jerusalem) and the kingdom of "god" in the "heavens".
What do you mean? Jesus is already dead, isn't he?
Pieces/Fish to Aquarius. Look at the sign for Aquarius what do you see?
You mean the wars, economic crisis, pests, and so on that are taking place nowadays?
I have already alluded to this when I said to you, remember what your teacher taught you; knowledge is power. So he, or they, that have all the knowledge have all the power and always will have.. Ordinary people are only given the illusion that we have any power. Ask yourself, who is it that has all the power today?
To me there is no institution with more power than the Vatican, the catholic church. They have all the ancient knowledge of this world if you refer to it.
So in other words, Marduk couldn't tell the time.And Marduk (who is mentioned in the bible) was sent into exile and became known as the "invisible god"<<< does that ring any bells?
I don't know too much about the bible, but Jesus is who I found as the "invisible god". All the same, Jesus is already dead, isn't he?
This is a different story entirely and has to do with "gods" anger at the behaviour of his "son's" coming to earth and raping "the daughters of men" and inso doing defiled themselves. I can suppose that he considered "gods" having intercourse with human women as some sort of bestiality.. But it is nothing to do with the wars of "gods" for control of Earth and its people.
Sure. I was just pointing out that aliens have battles, like us.
But you have to be careful not to present your theories as fact, as Pastors and Priests do, and all the fkn time.
Of course not, but I have to say there are coincidences with the information I have, especially the one about the 12th planet.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I see tradesecret, a nice calm manned , aparantly knowledgeable , good type of person.Thats Apparent.
Yes, he seems to be a good person until he starts talking about religion. It's the typical behaviour of a dogmatic person, he can give you a big smile, but if he finds out you're a non-believer he will beg "God" to see you burn in hell as a roasted chicken. These people are dangerous, I speak from my own personal experience.
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@Stephen
"memorise the bible backwards and forwards from very early age"
Now it all figures. This poor little man has been brainwashed since the very begining. I wasn't wrong when I pitied him, and I feel really blessed for not being in his shoes. He must have had a tough childhood, being forced to memorize all this bullshit, and who knows maybe being raped. He sure is a slave of his religous sect.
By the way, he says he's not catholic. What kind of christian sect does he belong to? I can imagine it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=90OFZQx_7xI Lol.
Try reading Divine Encounters Zecharia Sitchen. I believe it is right up your street and you'll enjoy it.
There is a lot to go over, but what drew my attention the most is what you already presented about the twelve signs of the Zodiac. I've seen we're in the Piscis Era, which started around the times of Jesus and will end supposedly around our times.
From what I understand, the power is handed over each time there is a change of an era. What kind of power is it? who holds the power right now? Sitchen talks about Marduk who was a babylonian "God" of the last era and fighted with other "Gods" for the power. These battles are also mentioned in the bible, Lucifer for example is one of the "fallen angels" defeated during those battles. So, it seems there were battles between the aliens, after all they are like us, fighting all the time. Moreover, according to Flavius Josephus, there were also battles in the sky around the time Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans: www.strangehistory.net/2011/02/28/josephus-armies-in-the-sky/
I hope you elaborate more about it according to your readings. It can be related to our times because you can see lot of testimonies from different sources (psychics, contactees, researchers, prophecies) about a "shift in the earth and humanity", we're in the middle of a great change where the aliens are part of it. That explains why there are UFO sightings and why there are people trying to declassify secret documents about it in the US, it's like a preparation for something that is coming in the following years.
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@Stephen
So you can see what it is you are up against when conversing with such a contradictory clown in denial of the BIBLICAL facts, IlDiavolo
I understand now why you and BrotherD keep bashing this little man. It's really annoying to read stubborn people like him, it's like dealing with a flat earther. Lol.
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@Tradesecret
Do you think they are machines hidden in clouds do you?
Well, it's not what I think, it's what people report. Stories like these are very similar to what the bible tells, which is the reason we conclude that the angels and "Gods" of the bible are actually the aliens of today. Or do you still think invisible beings will show up to get rid of the people that don't believe in your bulllshit, like me? You wish!! Hahahaha.
You are the one who talks about what translations - as per normal - without evidence.
It would be useless to try to convince you, being you a dogmatic person that believes english is the original language of the bible. Lol. You know the original version is in hebrew and aramaic, don't you? Did you care to know what this version says? You'd better not, it would be too much for you.
Angels do have wings.
For statements like this, despite the given solid evidence, is that I don't want to discuss with zealots like you, it's a worthless endeavour. From what I've seen, I guess you're catholic, right? Did you know a catholic expert confirmed that "angels have no wings"?
Feel free to say whatever you want because I won't reply your posts anymore. You can be thinking I can't stand you but the reality is that I pity you, I wouldn't like to be in your shoes, seriously, that would be really sad.
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@Tradesecret
In my opinion, a reference to the Cherubim has a couple of primary objects. Firstly, as a protector, see Genesis 3:24. the Cherubim protected the Tree of Life. Secondly, as a reference to the Ark of the Covenant. In Psalm 18, the Psalm itself expresses that this Psalm was written by David. He wrote it in response to the fact that the Lord delivered him from his enemy, King Saul. It's entirely relevant.In this chapter, it is my view that David has gone to the Ark of the Covenant and prayed. And what we see in v. 10 is a response to his prayer. Hence your questions make no sense. The wind has no wings. God doesn't need to mount a cherub. that would be weird. But since the text is not saying any of those things, we don't even need to engage with these things.
Let's go slowly.
Psalm 18:10 "He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind."
The "he" refers to Yahve, so if David says Yahve mounts the cherubim (or "ride the cherubim" as it is in other biblical versions), it clearly says that he is getting on the cherubim as if the cherubim were something that flies, like a pegasus, a helicopter, or a UFO. So, what we can infer from the text is that Yahve is part of the Elohim or alien team that we were talking about, and the cherubim is the alien ship, unless you have a more convincing argument for that.
And of course the wind has no wings. It's just the way the ancient people understood their reality, or a wrong translations.
Why is it a machine? There is nothing there to suggest such a thing. Don't let your understanding of today catch you off guard. Think about how an ancient person was looking at something at the time.
I'm going to remind you the link I provided in #53:
Based on this link, we could conclude the following:
1. Angels have no wings. The bible says nothing about angels with wings. The wing is just an add on from some artists who thought angels have wings just because they can fly. The wings are just part of the urban folklore.
2. The only ones that have wings in the bible are the cherubim and seraphim, but the bible doesn't say explicitly that they are angels.
3. As the church put wings on angels, they automatically categorize the cherubim and seraphim as angels. Although they are not because the bible doesn't mention they are angels or they are part of an angelical hierarchy. This is just a made-up stuff of the roman catholic church.
4. The cherubim and seraphim are machines because this is what the bible suggests. Angels look like men and interact like men, characteristics that the cherubim and seraphim lack of. So, if it's something that doesn't talk, doesn't walk, doesn't fuck, doesn't eat (like the angels), but only flies and protects a position (as if it were a war machine), we can conclude then that it's an object made for a specific goal.
Nope. There is absolutely no evidence for such a thing. Either in Elijah's time or Jesus'. Both times were well before such things had even become part of common thought and imagination. Why aren't there any other such vehicles that anybody has discovered? Because there was never such a thing.
Well, it depends on what you want to do. You either study the bible with the correct translation to know the truth or keep believing what a church full of sodomites wants you to believe. It's your call and I really couldn't care less about it.
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Why would any American care what a third class foreigner thinks?
Because wise people listen to what other people think about their country. You, of course, don't like to listen.
And don't talk too much that the US, at the rate it's going, will join very soon the club of the third world. ROFL.
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