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@Tradesecret
I'll answer your questions. Will you then please answer mine?
What question? About cherubim and seraphim?
Tell me, what you understand in Psalm 18:10 "He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind."? Does the wind have wings? Why would God need to "mount" a cherubim? Pretty weird, ain't it?
In Ezekiel 10:15-17: "Then the cherubim rose upward. These were the living creatures I had seen by the Kebar River. When the cherubim moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the cherubim spread their wings to rise from the ground, the wheels did not leave their side. When the cherubim stood still, they also stood still; and when the cherubim rose, they rose with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in them." I don't know about you but to me the said cherubim is a machine because I've never seen it into an interaction with any biblical character like angels did. No talk, no nothing.
I can say it louder but not clearer.
So in the Bible, Elijah went up into heaven in a fiery chariot. And Jesus ascended into the clouds of heaven. Jesus didn't have wings, but he was atypical.
Elijah was abducted by an alien ship, so was Jesus, if he really existed of course.
The Ancient Hebrews described a bat as a bird because it flew. They didn't use our scientific classification system. They had their own.
What? Hebrews knew very well that bats weren't birds. Check Isaiah 2:20: "In that day people will throw away to the moles and bats their idols of silver and idols of gold, which they made to worship" A bat is like a mole, a mammal. Ancient hebrews were primitives compared to us, but not stupid.
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Quit drugs, dude.
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@Tradesecret
You did't answer my question. Do pilots have wings?
Or else, let's put it simpler. Does a man need wings to fly?
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@Tradesecret
It's not difficult to realize that ancient people perceived the reality in a very different way than we do. It all comes down to knowledge and level of conciousness. How do you think the ancient people would describe a pilot that get off an airplane that has just landed? Or even better, a man with a jet suit? Do they have wings?
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@Tradesecret
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@Stephen
You are posing genetic intervention in the creation of human beings by ancient alien gods. From what you believe of your theories so far, what are your conclusions and how and why did you come to them?
Some conclusions that I came to about this subject:
- The human being has been produced in a lab using genetic engineering. Why do I think so? Because this theory explains many things the Darwin's theory can't. As I said, the human is not adapted to any environment of the earth, on the contrary, he has all the characteristics of a GMO (Genetically Modified Organism). Besides, the ancient manuscripts give us a hint about it. I would also say that some contactees, like the ufologist Sixto Paz, were told so by the aliens. According to them, the elohim of the bible were the genetic engineers. As to what happened before that event, I really don't know, but to me it's really impossible that life in this planet came about out of nothing.
- To me, it's unknown why the aliens created the man. The sumerian mythology says that the ancient gods created the human being to do the hard job while they enjoy a luxury life. And that's not far fetched since they would probably behave like us (we have similar genetic code), they can have an evil side. But I also think that they left this earth because somehow they realized they fucked it up as you said, which is a pretty normal human behavior to act with principles and moral. We're like them, so it's probably that they're looking on us as much as we look on the wild life in this planet. We don't intervene the wild life because we think we have to let the nature do the job when an animal kills another one to survive. Although, we intervene when it's just necesary, like when we need to know more about the animals so we shot them with sedative and take them to the research lab, that would be the reason of the abductions by the aliens. This is a conclusion based on an analogy of behaviors. I would also like to add here the version of the ufologist Sixto Paz which is worth our attention. He says that the aliens created us because they wanted to know how they evolved. According to the aliens, they reached a high level of evolution sacrificing the capability of having emotions, they are emotionless. So by creating us they think it's possible to reach a high level of evolution without sacrificing the emotions, which is the reason the aliens always suggest love, compassion and care of others.
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@zedvictor4
No kidding, Vic, but you're the most skeptic person I've ever seen in my fucking life.
Jesus!! ROFL
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@Stephen
It is very plausible, up to the point. And from what I can make out, the Earth and its living creatures (however it & they came about) was doing quite well on its own before the "gods came down" and appear to have fkd everything up.
As I said, the Darwin's theory is very much in doubt since it can't explain how the species evolved. I can believe the adaptation of species ocurred as Darwin said, but not in the case of the human who is not adapted to any environment in the earth. As to the time these aliens arrived to fuck it all up, well, we don't know. There are UFO paintings in the caves so this says that the aliens were here even before the great ancient civilizations started off.
Well this is where the Sumerian text once again come in handy. They make it categorically clear why they created the Adama. And further reading they explain why they had to ' hand down kingship ', which can be explained in easier terms as - they needed a manager/ go between a King.It goes something like this. They were beginning to become outnumbered hence losing control. The "gods" in their first attempt at controlling their creation had already divided the Earth into sections of twelve regions/houses where a "god" ruled over a region and one "god" became "god" of the gods. This too is alluded to in the Old Testament. You may well ask at this point, well who chose the "god of gods"? Simply answer is, they took it in turns. When the celestial clock/ Zodiac crossed over from one house to another this was the "signs in the sky" for the "god" of the incoming house to rule. You may well understand by now that this was the reason the people were divided into 12 tribes/ houses. And it was eventually at these crossing over points that the wars of "gods and men" began. And for the reason I have explained many times on this forum the last being here>But I am running the risk here of causing you information overload, because there is a lot to take in.But let me go back to what I said here- they needed a manager/ go between/ a King. It is here that causes confusion for many. Priests to begin with were nothing more than gofer's to the "gods". They had nothing much to do with the general population. They were, to put it simply, selected from among men to run "god" a bath, do his washing and cleaning and other household chores.Those they called prophets selected from among the priests - one from each house were the link between gods and men and came with "words from god" direct. When the population once again grew unmanageable it was at this point a king was selected by "god" and "kingship was handed down". King/s were in direct charge of the people but under the directions and commands of the "god" of his house, the Prophets became the go-betweens between the god and the King. Paul Wallis in your link alludes to exactly this saying of Ezekiel " keep your people in line"; to keep them more manageable, HERE>38 minutes in.
Feel free to release all the info you want, this is what this thread was opened for. In fact, I perceive that this story is not new to me. I guess it has something to do with the "blue blood" of the royalty, families that didn't want to mix their blood in order to hold the power. And it's well known that the orthodox jews (and maybe the ones not so orthodox) still do the same thing, they don't mix their blood, they think they're special.
There are many thing I would like to know because I don't think it's a concidence that the jews own the global financial system.
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@Tradesecret
In Isaiah 6:2 the angels had six wings. Seraphim is a type of angel.
How many times do I have to say it? ANGELS DON'T HAVE WINGS IN THE BIBLE!! This is just a made-up stuff. Artists like Leonardo Da Vinci, Rafael, and many others put wings on angels because they levitate and fly according to the bible.
You see now how manipulated the bible is? But I don't expect you to change your mind since dogmatic people by definition are close minded.
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I would be very worried If I were american.
Did you see how high the public debt is? And the credit card debt? Shit, man, that's going to be a spectacle that deserve to be watched.
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@hey-yo
In the bible, angels have no wings. The wings appeared in the medieval times. Your videos are completely biased. Lol.
So how we know that is the right translation? there are translations that span thousands of years.
The right translation is the one given by a profesional translator.
But lets ask the question. Why are we seeing a machine if the person giving their account says "living creature?"
What Ezekiel is describing is a ship with a crew into it (the creatures), and the eyes are the windows of the ship. The "spirit" is probably the propulsion mechanism of the ship.
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@Stephen
Did you watch those links all the way through yourself?
Yes, I did. However, I can't figure out what you're trying to tell me. I don't know much about the Sumerian civilization.
What I understand is that these aliens handed over all their knowledge to their enslaved "Adams" before leaving the planet, so as a consequence these "Adams" started to do what their fathers did with them, which is enslave people. I guess this modus operandi has survived ever since.
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@Stephen
You might be asking yourself the reason why I am showing you these threads created by you? The reason is that you have started a few threads on this subject and not once do you appeared to have furthered or followed through... with anything.
Well, I try to follow through according to my spare time.
I will give you my opinion on those later. When and if you can confirm whether or not you have read my last post to you here>#17 ?
Yes, I did but I still think it over. It looks like you're an enthusiast of the Zodiac but I can't tell yet. Does it have something to do with the UFO sightings?
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@hey-yo
1. If bible was in any way encrypted or aimed to develop stories about aliens, then we would see at least two things.A) there would be a historical documentation that coincides with your statements. Where people who developed the bible and those who soon used it can be documented believing the same thing.When we look at our recorded history, those who developed the bible believed in christian dogma/theology. Those who used the bible in any form believed in and used christian dogma/theology.We have historical evidence to see christianity grow. This includes documents from Roman Empire's late era, through dark ages, through multiple eras after that, to modern times. We see the changes through history.All this excludes aliens.
Why do you think christianity is special? Yeah, it's because you're a christian. Muslims would say the same and they will outnumber christians very soon. Lol.
B) the angels described in bible include those who do not look or act like men. How would you navigate that?
Provide examples, please, Maybe you need to read the bible with the correct tranlsation, there was a lot of manipulation by theologians.
C) im still lookin at the "glory of god" video but so far I see a translation for an individual phrase. This phrase is absent from the context of the other words in the sentences, paragraphs, and other statements in the bible. Looking at individual phrases looses context in how a word is used.
You don't even need to read the bible with the correct translation. There are lot of references of high technology there.
"As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels." Ezekiel 1:15-21.
If you're unable to see it, it's because you're clouded by your beliefs.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
So, what you are saying is that these alleged aliens inhabited the earth in the Bronze and Iron Age to "colonize" the earth and to be able to be associated with certain Bible references as you have shown. Therefore, in using your theory that said aliens looked like the Bible characters, and exactly like us now, did these aliens also bring ALL of the different animal and plant species known to mankind at this time which is 8.7 million in total, which humans needed to survive?
It would be arrogant from my side to give details about it because I don't know. What I'm pretty sure though is that life in this planet as we know it were brought by these aliens, the rest of the story is pure speculation, including the Darwin's theory of evolution. For example, Riddle Scott portrayed this process in the film Alien Prometheus, it's fantasy but it makes more sense than the theory of evolution. Lol.
And, what type of aliens were here approximately 40,000 years ago that looked like the Neanderthal specie of mankind as shown in this links image using your premise of aliens look like man: https://evolutionnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Homo_sapiens_neanderthalensis-Mr._N.jpgFurthermore, using your analogy and going way back in time approximately 200,000 years ago in Africa, was there another alien space visit that came to earth that looked just like our early Homo sapiens in this following image link; https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEQPLC8where said aliens had the same physical look as these early home sapiens?: If you can't address these claims of mine, then that scary word "EVOLUTION" comes to mind!
According to the ancient astronauts's theory, the aliens accelerated the evolution of the "proto human" to the today's human being by means of genetical engineering 4,500BC. Before that there were already proto humans living in the earth, there is no more detail about it since the ancient scriptures (from several cultures) don't talk of it.
You say that human beings appeared upon this earth "all of a sudden," and barring that scary word "EVOLUTION," and like I've said before, the origin of mankind started approximately 400,000 YEARS AGO in Africa, therefore, to use your theory, there had to be different alien visits to look just like the different variations of mankind as I have shown you in the image links provided above showing the Neanderthal species, and early African species. If not, then that scary word "EVOLUTION" is presented once again.
The thing here is that there is so few evidence about our past that scientists (not all of them of course) are pretty sure the Darwin's theory is correct eventhough there are so many holes and criticism about it: www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/28/do-we-need-a-new-theory-of-evolution: "Scientists had not lost interest in evolution, but many found Darwin’s account of it unsatisfying."
The theory of ancient astronauts is based on the ancient scriptures and the UFO phenomenon we see today. It could be wrong but what we know about our past is so blurry that the explanation of our existence is really open to several theories, in which the Darwin's theory is losing credibility. Mind you, there is also the possibility that there are rests of lost civilizations under us: www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/27/atlantis-lost-civilisation-fake-news-netflix-ancient-apocalypse. So, it all depends on what we can find in the future, especially if this aliens get contact with us.
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@Stephen
As then some were, and some are still. Whichever rout you take, you should eventually get to realise that what went on in the times of the ancients is still going on to this very day, and in every sense you can think of..
You caught my eye with this and I guess it's the theory you believe in. Is it that we're in a sort of human farm? I'm just reading a book of Salvador Freixedo about it, he was also a renowned ufologist that thought we live in a system intelligently controlled by these visitors. I don’t rule it out.
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@Stephen
I certainly do.And if you had read for yourself anything about the Annunaki/gods, they make it quite clear the reason they created THE Adam in the first place and so does the bible in a veiled fashion. I can guarantee you this, if the bible is to be believed even in part, the biblical god gives absolutely no reason whatsoever for creating THE Adam other than to toil & till the land. And ask yourself what does "till" in this BIBLICAL sense mean? You will find a clue here> Genesis 2:11-13. Let me know if you are confused and I will spell it out for you.
I don't get it. Was the human created only to extract gold? It doens't make sense. I understand that at some point the aliens were "worried/fearful" of the humans because of the knowledge they could get, this is the reason Adam and Eve were expelled from the Eden Garden. And I guess the Tower of Babel story is a representation of how the aliens/gods were afraid that humans could know about them, meaning that the aliens were trying to hide their true identity.
As then some were, and some are still. Whichever rout you take, you should eventually get to realise that what went on in the times of the ancients is still going on to this very day, and in every sense you can think of..
You mean that theory of aliens partnering with the most powerful families in the world?
I mentioned above : the hierarchy of the priesthood especially, they would rename themselves after "gods & angels". #8 You either missed it or didn't catch on to what I was stating. So to make it clear; The person that impregnated the Virgin was the acting "Gabriel", <<< it was a title. Another example would be the "angel" that was said to have appeared to confirm Jesus' status as the " son of god" <<< another title. And the title of this confirming "angel" was "dove" which is a reference to the biblical character Noah and a symbol of peace.
Alright, I always had the idea that Gabriel was a real alien impregnating Maria. All the same, it doesn't make sense to me because it's difficult to believe that the jews considered a priest as a divine being, that would have been a blasphemy as well as Jesus deeming himself as "son of god", it was a blasphemy.
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@zedvictor4
As I said, I don't claim Darwin's theory is not plausible, I'm just saying that scientists refuse to incorporate other theories to make sense the evolution in the Earth. They think Darwin's theory is enough, so they keep making up stupid laughable explanations for their claim instead of being honest.
And you're right, we're just speculating. The only thing that we're pretty sure about, though, is that these beings that come with advanced crafts are not part of our civilization and were deemed as angels and gods in the past.
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@Stephen
Where did you find this interpretation?
It's in the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kih1mdMhoo8&t=5s - KAVOD is translated as "glory" but it means "heavy object that stands out".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FD_FdZtMWk&t=1121s - RUACH is translated as "spirit" but it means "gust of wind" caused by an object.
From what I can make out Mauro Biglino Born in 1950 didn't write his first book until just 12 years ago, which by his own admission states that his work "is based on" two of the authors that I have already mentioned to you on this thread>> #33. So I have probably already got the gist of what Biglino has to say without rushing out to buy any of his work.Biglino has then, as the saying goes, built on the back of giants. Which he is more than entitled to do as long as he credits them in his own work and it furthers the hypothesise.
Well, I suggest you see the description of his books before buying any of them. As far as I know, he just translates the bible as it should be, and compares it with other ancient manuscripts to expose similarities. He provides support for his work with the opinion of genetisists and exegetes.
Define "bogus theory", for me.
Well, English is not my first language so I may have used the wrong adjective. What I mean is that scientists don't admit any possibility of design or creation in the evolutionary process, probably because they don't want to be deemed as religious. So I consider it as a dishonest theory.
I have said many times on this forum that if we were to super impose many of todays sciences over some of the events in the bible that we may well come to a clearer understand of what those ancients were trying to convey. The creation of Eve is a good example of 21st century genetic engineering. The creation of "Eve" Genesis 2:21-23 just it two short verses raises many questions, but we are simply expected to take it a face value and not question it . One being, why did "god" go through all the bother of the operation of having to anesthetise the Adam, open him up, remove a "rib" and stitch him back up when he could has simply created Eve, "the mother of all living" from the same dust as the bible says he created the Adam from?
This is the most interesting part of Biblino's work, the creation of Adam and Eve. It's a shame there isn't any video about it in english, but I will try to explain it as best I can:
- Adam was not a person but a group, so it's not Adam but Adamits.
- Adam was not the first man of humanity but a new race. There were already humans (or proto humans like the homo erectus) in the earth before Adam.
- Adam was not created but produced in a lab by means of cloning, then Adam was placed in the Eden Garden around 4,500 BC.
- "Eden Garden" means "a protected and fenced garden", so the Adamits had it all, food and animals.
- Eve was produced by cloning Adam, the aliens extracted Adam's mother cells from the area of the ribs.
- Apparently the aliens wanted a new race to work for them. I'm not sure where Biglino gets that information but this is what he says in his conference.
Well it has to be proven that "the gods" Elohim, came from somewhere other than earth. But it is as good a theory as any that the "gods", that is to say the Anunnaki deities came from some place other than earth. Read Alfords, When The Gods Came Down. You might like it.
It's not the only theory but the most accepted. Other researchers, like Graham Hancock, think these aliens are actually the survivors of the last cataclysm in the earth, meaning an ancient civilization that reached a great technological advance and managed to escape from the earth. Others think that they are humans from the future who have full control of the time and travelled back to know more about their past.
Well, when we consider the biblical account of the time since god/s decided he didn't want to remain with man any longer, all contact with "god/s" came through is said to have come via dreams.IMO far too much is made of these dreamlike encounters unless some remained behind. Which, if I remember correctly, the Sumerian epics claim to be the case.. Truth is, who knows?But if you keep in mind that the hierarchy of the priesthood especially, they would rename themselves after "gods & angels" when they reached a certain point in the priesthood training. And this practice is still the case to this day in the Roman Church in particular. An, as you may already know, the word "angel" means nothing more than - messenger.It is also worth keeping in mind too that anyone that is more educated than the illiterate & superstitious around them can claim anything, including to have received messages came from "god". Pastors and Priests do so all the time....for a living.
Well, you and Zed have all the right to be skeptic because you didn't have direct experience with that, but I put it forth because it's common place when it comes to ufology, you will see it in any book about UFO/UAP.
Well they could be wrong. And it would depend on who you mean by "us". Do you mean you, me or any working class Joe.? "The god/s" made it clear that they nor there messengers were to have nothing to do with humans and certainly didn't want us to be educated if the bible is to be believed. We were, as the bible makes clear, created to do there bidding because; " there was no one to till the Earth". and that we were to have only a limited amount of knowledge to perform ours or theirs simply everyday tasks.
Do you think so? In all honesty, I want to believe otherwise because it's the best way to prepare people for the inevitable contact. The NASA is already preparing humanity for it. www.trtworld.com/magazine/nasa-turns-to-religious-scholars-to-prepare-humanity-for-alien-contact-53110
If they turn out to be actual mother fuckers, well, at least we tried it. Lol.
Well I believe that you are "noticing" something that isn't there. Jesus was a revolutionary that believed or was led to believe that he was the rightful king and heir to the throne of Jerusalem and had come to unite the tribes of Is -Ra - El and free his people (Jews only) from the Roman yoke and turn them back to their original god and roots. You after remember that "his people" had been under the rule of Greeks for 500 years and the Romans for about 200 years before Jesus was even - as they say- a glint in the milkman's eye.
According to Biglino, Jesus was a hybrid because Maria was impregnated by the "angel" Gabriel. So, I don't know, I think he could have been part of the alien plan if he really existed.
We do what we can with the limited knowledge we possess. Only some bastards take the piss and serious literary licence. The Pastor and the Priest are fkn famous for doing it, and have been for millennia. The gotta make a living I suppose, just not on my back, fkn leeches.
Talking about bastards, I noticed Tradesecret didn't participate yet in this thread. Do you think he's alright? Lol.
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@zedvictor4
What part of the OP do you think it's bogus, Zed? We can discuss it, unless you still believe we're the only ones in this vast universe which to me is more bogus than anything.
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I open this thread in order to put forth an interesting subject for yourconsideration and eventual discussion. This is not by any means a thread todeny the existence of God, Universal Consciousness, Universal Spirit orwhatever you want to call it because as the agnostic I am I don’t know for sureabout it and have no evidence. What I’m trying to convey here is the fact thatthe bible is not a set of books inspired by a divine being but a fascinatingtestimony of an encounter with an alien team that accompanied the ancient Hebrewsto build their civilization as it occurred in many other ancient societies likethose in Mesopotamia, Egypt, America, and many other places. The reasons tobelieve in that are as follows:
1. Literal translation of the bible
I’ve always said that the bible is one of these examples of the “broken telephone” in which the intended message is distorted and as a result the received message is most of the time completely different. The bible has been translated and modified at will by Christian theologians so many times that believers ended up believing in a fairy tale.
Mauro Biglino, a former translator of the Vatican, has been exposing the literal translation of the bible over the last years which left no doubt about what the ancient Hebrews really tried to tell us. Expressions like “the glory of God” or “the spirit of God” means nothing but “an outstanding mass that comes from the sky”, in short, a spacecraft. Moreover, the bible with the correct translation talks about "angels" that seem to be more like human beings: they eat and drink, they talk, they fuck, they kill, they even fight with the people. The story of the aliens gets more evident when we look through the non-official books (also known as the apocryphal books). I strongly suggest to check the work of this Italian.
2. The domesticated human being
I’ve got to tell that I’m not a big fan of the evolutionary theory because it has many flaws and gross holes, as I explained it in a thread that I opened long time ago. I’m sorry but as I don’t believe in fairy tales, I don’t believe in bogus theories either. I’m not saying that the evolution of species cannot occur as Darwin said, but this theory cannot explain how human beings appeared all of a sudden in this planet, I mean the timings and archeological rests just don’t square. I found more acceptable the panspermia theory, but in the light of the recent information, I think the ancient astronauts’ theory is more believable.
Many studies concluded that human beings share the same evolutionary characteristics of the domesticated animals. The scientific hypothesis is that human beings domesticated themselves; I think I don’t need further explanation to show how imbecile this hypothesis sounds. We all know that to domesticate an animal we need a controlled environment and sometimes genetic modifications. The hypothesis of the ancient astronauts says that the controlled environment is the Eden Garden and the genetic modifications were carried out by these aliens using their own genetical information, which explain why we look so similar to them: “Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule…’”, Genesis 1:26. The story of the Eden Garden is obviously a copy from the Mesopotamian civilization which is in more detail, but this story is also present in many cultures which lead us to think that there were several “Gardens”.
Many people think all the aliens are grey, which is partially true because the universe is diverse, but according to the renowned ufologist Sixto Paz Wells, who had several close encounters of the fifth type, the aliens that colonized this planet look very similar to the human beings to the point that they can mingle with us hands down: “Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.”, Hebrews 13:2. In one of these encounters, he realized that the alien that was getting off the spacecraft was actually an acquaintance of him, to be more specific a European entrepreneur that he met years before.
3. The connection with Egypt
Ancient Egypt is without any doubt the main source of evidence for the ancient astronauts’ theory and many ufologists claim that the answer to the biblical quests is in Egypt, including the one related to the figure of Jesus since several biblical stories are almost a copy from the Egyptian myths.
The renowned ufologist JJ Benitez, in his book “The Yahve’s wars”, asserts that the biblical story of Exodus is not only based on a real event but an attempt of the aliens to build a new civilization different to the Egyptian. Why did the aliens get away from Egypt? The answer could be in the reign of Akhenaten, the pharaoh who decreed all of a sudden to worship only one God: the sun-disk Aten. Why did the pharaoh decree such a disruptive measure? Did he have contact with these aliens? Akhenaten is sometimes called the world’s first monotheist that influenced Moses to impose by force the monotheism. The pharaoh closed the temples and destroyed the images of other gods, everything related to these gods, even the unwanted allusions, were removed. He also banned any cult and any attempt to build art for any god, the change was radical. What amazes me is that there was no way to create a monotheist society in any ancient civilization because the measures of Akhenaten didn’t succeed at all and wouldn’t succeed anywhere, he in fact ended up being hated. Is it the reason why the alien team chose Moses and a bunch of people to create another civilization in another place? Did the alien team realize that they fucked Egypt up? It seems so because the Exodus story, if read correctly, is full of spacecrafts guiding Moses and his people to “the promised land”, no matter if they had to kill people to steal their land and no matter if they had to kill those who resist to worship only one God as it is told in the bible. It’s estimated that 1M people were killed by either Yahve or Moses’ people who only obeyed Yahve’s orders, a bloody God for sure. But why the aliens imposed such cruel measures of worshipping one only God and forbidding the images and idols? JJ Benitez thinks that the aliens didn’t want to leave any hint of their existence as it happened in Egypt, so they decided to kill anyone who creates images or sees God’s face: “But, he said, ‘you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.’”, Exodus 33:20.
4. Resemblance between the biblical stories and the testomonies of contactees
This point may be controversial for most of you since it's commonly associated with spiritism and religions, but it's not and it actually can explain some unbelievable stories of the bible. It’s known that even though we look like the aliens, they are far more superior in all aspects, esthetically, physically and MENTALLY. Several contactees have experienced lucid dreams where non-human beings communicate important messages. One of these cases is about a Spanish soldier who found small human footprints in the area he was surveilling. When tracing these footprints, he found weird dark stones on the way, so he decided to bring them home to analyze them. The next day, his daughter said that she dreamt with a group of small people that clearly told her to get rid of these stones his father took the previous day because if not his father will get cancer.
It's really interesting to realize that this kind of communication is present in many stories of the bible, where an "angel" says something important into someone's dreams. Jacob and Joseph received "angelical" messages in dreams. "The angel of God said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob.’ I answered, ‘Here I am.’", Genesis 31:11. "Now after Herod had died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt'", Matthew 2:19. What we have to understand is that the aliens are millions of years ahead, so it’s not far-fetched to think they have full control of their minds. In fact, the ufologist Sixto Paz had contact with the aliens using telepathy several times. As well as him, there are other people that were contacted the same way. If nowadays we can communicate instantly with other people that are on the other side of the world using invisible electromagnetic waves, why couldn’t we think that our minds can do the same? It’s totally possible and could explain many stories of the bible related to extraterrestrial beings doing telepathy and even prophecies.
5. They send the same message
I’ve been hearing a lot of people talking about their communication with the extraterrestrial beings and they coincide with the fact that these aliens want us, above all else, to develop our minds as a vehicle to take to the next level in our evolutionary journey, by means of love, compassion, and care for the others so that we can join the interstellar community. I couldn’t help noticing that part of this message looks similar to that of Jesus, also known as the Christ. What does it mean? Was Jesus part of this alien team? Maybe, and I wouldn’t find the message wrong because it’s what reasonable people, either atheist or theist, want so badly in this fucking world. What it would be wrong is that a minority builds a whole fucking stupid belief system using this simple message just to have control over the gullible people. Whatever it is, we should get used to the fact that these aliens will show up sooner or later because most people are more conscious about it and nobody would dare to deem someone as insane when telling such stories.
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@zedvictor4
I imagine that they are preparing a thesis, as we speak.
This is also a problem, a long thread is not appealing in my opinion.
I didn't even read all the OP of this thread. Lol.
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@Stephen
I notice in your link Mauro Biglino (who I hadn't heard of until now) speaks of the Mesopotamian as an " ancient alien civilization called Elohim?" When we read anything pertaining to the Mesopotamia epics they only ever use the word - lord - for the Annunnaki hierarchy: Lord Enki, Lord Enlil etc. Annunnaki are referred to in the OT. They were no doubt superior beings as far as I and many authors understand..
Biglino says that in the bible, using the correct translation, the other "gods" were referred as Elohim too, it's just the name in hebrew. So, at that time each civilization had their own "elohim", meaning that there were several "gods".
Where Adam and Eve really created by the Elohim or just put in the Garden of Eden from outside the world?
You have to listen to Biglino, it's fascinating what he understands from the bible if it's read with the correct translation and without interpretations. He has his own YouTube channel.
Adam and Eve are hybrids of apes and those aliens. This story of Eve created by God taking a rib from Adam is a reference of the DNA manipulation. Also, from an evolutionary point of view, the human being is not a species adapted to any environment in the earth, so this clearly indicates that the human being was domesticated.
You should start your thread on the subject. It will more interesting and entertaining than the shite the Pastors and Priests are still pumping out and force feeding our children, to this day.
I sure will. There is a lot of controversy, though, so I don't know if people here will like it.
You said these ancient "lords" were superior. They indeed are, and it's not just in technology but also in mental abilities. If you check on the testimonies of contactees, there is a lot of psychic experiences like telepathy and precognition, which are coincidentally present in the biblical stories. I dont know if the people here are ready for that kind of discussion, they are so fucking scheptical. Lol.
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If you read the bible with the correct translation and no useless interpretation at all, you wouldn't make such stupid claims.
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Is it because Biden is close to be impeached? Lol.
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@Double_R
You're focusing on the flaws within people, and then arguing that because you can find flawed people in any area of life, that these areas are the same. That's not how it works.Dogmatism is definitionally contradictory to science, yet it is required by religion. They're not remotely the same.
My point is that science, as well as religion and politics, is run by human beings. This only condition makes science a fallible activity because is run by fallible people.
Is that dificult to understand, bald man? Or do you really believe science never had a mistake?
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@zedvictor4
I would suggest that the reason you don't like scientists, is for the age old reason why people resent others.
I don't like them because most of them are dogmatic, like believers (christians and specially muslims) and politicians (communists and lefties in general). When a person's mind is clouded by his ideas and paradigms this person is a dogmatic. But afterall, I think this is because there is a specific profile that a great deal of human beings share: narcisim. I guess this a "manufacturing defect".
Imagine if I have to discuss other more controversial subjects like psychicism, they would just get even more close-minded. Lol.
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@zedvictor4
I think you're confusing scientists with inventors/engineers. The inventor/engineer develops/creates technology, the scientist just researches. Sometimes the inventor uses the scientist's work for developing.
I think if these people that feel so empowered by the important stuff they do were more humble recognizing that they know little about the world (it pops into my mind what Socrates said), they would do better in their scientific field. This is the main reason I don't like scientists as well as religious people.
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@Double_R
Scientists can hold dogmatic beliefs, and many do. The difference is that the moment one engages in dogmatism, they are by definition, no longer practicing science.
Yeah, it's like when a christian says that if a believer is a sinner then he's not a true christian.
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@Double_R
So, do you think there is no dogmatism in science? Think it twice.
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@zedvictor4
Though if we plump for your UFO option, it still begs the same primary questions...When and where and how did the first life occur.
We shouldn't think about it since we don't know yet how life began in the earth. But at least you see how ludicrous is to think that life came out of nothing. It's really laughable to see scientists struggling to give a logical explanation about it.
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@Lemming
You posed a lot of questions, but I think what you're trying to say is that technology doesn't necessarily get alone with morality. Well, maybe not directly but indirectly.
What I see is that while human beings come up with something revolutionary and advanced, there are intellectuals and thinkers in general that pose several questions about the consequences of such technology for human beings. So, by doing so, the society gets more conscious about it and start to take measures. Remember the first industrial Revolution, there was a great concern on workers and children that were ensalaved in factories, not to mention the relevance women got in society since then. Today there is also concern on the AI and transhumanism, just to mention an example.
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@Double_R
Most scientists get stubborn about evolutionary theory because the people who challenge it in favor of creationism tend to have no idea what they're talking about. It's not the same thing as devotion to one's faith.
This is not what I've seen. There are stubborn people in scientific areas that really believe they are the authorities in terms of science, like a priest that think himself as the only one to interpret the biblical dogma. So if a scientist get against the flow, he's ridiculed and forced to rectify.
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@zedvictor4
Even so...If the seeds of life were sown here long ago by a UFO, then why wouldn't Darwin's theory of species evolution still be relevant?
This is the matter of this thread, why are scientists so stubborn to change their minds? The Darwin's theory is sustained by the scientists who are fallible men. It's really ridiculous how these people keep trying to explain the unexplainable.
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@FLRW
Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa. Most scientists currently recognize some 15 to 20 different species of early humans. Africa is warm.
Well, Africa es warm in summer, not in winter, at least not during the nights. Scientists have other fancy explanations for it that is not convincing at all. I think these scientists force their explanations to one only theory which is the evolutionary theory. I think the current scientific approach is short sighted.
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@Lemming
What does it mean to be far evolved?Must an advanced species not have war?
Well, take as an example the evolution of us, we are far more evolved than those of the medieval times, not only in technology but also in morality and conciousness. I guess the aliens are morally more superior, then they are not that stupid to get involved in self destructive wars.
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@FLRW
If Darwin was right, explain me why human beings are not adapted to any environment of the earth like the rest of species? We have to produce our own protection (clothes). It's just one of the many flaws this theory can't explain.
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@zedvictor4
What I'm trying to say is that the Darwin's theory of evolution has many important flaws that makes it untenable. Long time ago I thought the best explanation for that was the panspermia hypotheses, but now I think life was not brought by an asteroid but a UFO, like the one portrayed in the movie Alien Prometheus.
But if we have been visited, then I think it odd that we are not already an integral part of interstellar species evolution.
If you were part of a far evolved alien species, would you let the human beings join you? We are close to a stupid nuclear was so I think the answer is no. Lol.
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@Double_R
Science and religion are not opposing methods for understanding what is true about the world. Science is a method, religion is the absence of one.
That is why I said the attitude people have towards either religion or science, I'm not comparing the methods, where religion obviously has no method.
Science is based on paradigms, which makes it liable to be observed and eventually be changed or adjusted. Newton's theory was improved by Einsten's theory, just to say an example.
In the case of the evolution theory, I've always said that it has flaws, then it needs to be observed. The problem is that scientists get really stubborn about it because they think the creationism theory necessarily indicates that there is a God behind the creation.
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@zedvictor4
Species evolution is just as likely to have applied to the development of advanced extra-terrestrial life forms.
Well, the evolution theory as we know it has a lot of flaws. I opened a thread about some scientists questioning this theory long time ago, and all the "atheists" come rapidly to roast me.
At first sight it seems a good theory but it lacks of common sense in our context, that's why to me the UFO theory fits better. Maybe it could apply to the ETs but this is another story.
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@FLRW
God did it.
ROFL. It was actually my mistake, I did it in a rush, but it's fine.
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I've just realized someone moved this thread out of the religious forum. May I know why?
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@zedvictor4
Some people are programmed more rigidly that others, hence responses will vary.
That is correct, there are certain human traits that determine the posture one person can take during his life, whether it is in religion or politics, but I also see that the experience counts too. Personally, I was tempted to be an enraged atheist because of some relatives that bugged me so much with their religious bullshit.
Thereby we conclude that someone who refuses to agree or accept an alternative point of view is stubborn, when in fact they just lack the wherewithal to be open-minded.
Well, I think most self-called atheists in this forum are actually agnostics that assume an atheist posture just so to argue against religious users, like this Tradesecret who is really annoying. 😁
When I opened a thread about the NASA decided to undertake UFO investigations, most users agreed on the existence of the aliens. What I would like to know now is if they also agree on the fact that Darwin was completely wrong with his theory of the evolution, because the existence of the UFO changes the way human beings developed in this planet.
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@FLRW
No, Atheists are a lot smarter. See post #4.
I'm sorry but the most intelligent position one can take is the agnostiscism. 😁
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@Stephen
I’ve been reading lately some books of JJ Benitez who is a recognizedufologist that questions the bible, comparing its content with the roundabout26k testimonies of the contactees he personally interviewed over 50 years,which to me leave no doubt that the bible is not a divinely inspired book, letalone sacred words, but an incredible testimony of the presence of human-like beingswith super high technology during the development of the ancient Hebrewcivilization. There is a lot of controversial information I would like todiscuss though, because this subject is open to many theories, not only the human-likealien beings’ theory but also for example the lost human civilizations’ theory,so I decided to create this initial thread in order to meditate previously onwhy most people, either religious or atheists, keep so obstinate on theirbeliefs despite the plethora of evidence there is out there. This is importantbecause the subject I want to discuss requires open-mindedness.
On the one hand, we have the religious people who stick obstinately totheir beliefs despite the fact that the bible is just a mere set of books withmany errors and contradictions that were written by fallible people who hadlimited understanding of their reality. Those books have been passed downsuffering a lot of modifications and translations with the only intention ofgiving them a "spiritual" meaning which make them even more unreliable.Proof of that is the several works of many bible scholars that studied them inits original language in order to find out its real meaning. The original biblicalinformation (in Hebrew) leads us to think effectively about the existence ofthese more evolved human-like beings I referred to, as it is well explained bythe bible translator Mauro Biglino whose work is very telling.
On the other hand, we have the atheists who are not that different totheir counterparts the religious people. Their God is the human science, theirbible is the scientific books/papers and their saints are the scientists. Iunderstand that science has methods and procedures scientists have to stick to,but I am referring to the attitude most of the scientists hold with controversialsubjects like this one, regarding it with disdain as if they were the owners ofthe truth. NASA took a step forward recognizing that this phenomenon deservesto be studied, but even so, arrogant scientists are still there blocking any attemptto study it because atheists gave them authority and as a consequence they feel empowered to doso. For instance, in the interview I provide (1:15:58), Graham Hancock makes a complaintabout how today’s archeologists dominate the main narrative on ancientcivilizations and avoid considering dissident opinions. What I’m trying to sayis that today’s science is run by fallible people and as such it is perfectlyliable to errors and hence to be questioned. In fact, the possible existence of alien civilizations with better technology entails a great impact not only on religions but also on science, specially on the theory of evolution that atheists have fervent faith in.
Is it difficult to be open minded, at least a little bit? What is it? Dogmatism?Fear of an existential crisis? Stubbornness? Shame?
What do you think?
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I don't know about you, but I am really scared of how the global debt has gone up so far. The US and allies have created a fucking monster that is going to explode very soon.
The next economic crisis will be a public debt crisis.
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@SethBrown
That doesn't tell me what he said about mary's & joseph's age.
This is the description of the book. If you want to read the content, buy it. 😁
By the way, this book is really interesting because it also says that Mary had a birth similar to that of Jesus. Mary's parents were wealthy but old and sterile, and "an angel" promised that they would conceive a baby. Similar to Abraham too. Why would an angel (an astruanat) do that?
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@SethBrown
Doesnt exactly line up with what other gospels have.
I don't get it. I think this passage looks congruent with the official (canonical) books, there is misogyny and also the rabbi seems to say that we all are the same in spirit.
A historian if he is worth his salt would throw away the apocryphe booksWhy should I believe the historians? Did they have a source saying her age? Were they back then when the betrothal happened? And what do you mean by the official books of joseph? I cant find that book. And he's not a rabbi, he was a saint.
I see you can't with your Christian heart. ROFL.
Yahweh's Astronauts is an interesting title, I sadly cant speak spanish would you take an excerpt from the book for me?
Google translator is good if you dont speak a language.
"In The Astronauts of Yavé, J. J. Benítez reveals to us countless details and circumstances surrounding the preparation and birth of Jesus and that the Church has not wanted or been able to make known until now... Who could suspect that Wasn't Jesus actually born in the village of Bethlehem? How many of us knew that Jesus' "grandparents" were from a wealthy family? It was never said that Joseph was a widower and had six children. And in this torrent of secret and ignored information until today, J.J. Benítez goes much further and presents a working thesis that may shake current theological approaches."
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It looks like someone has seen the latest polls. Why too scared of Trump, bald man? He was already president and there wasn't any sign of authoritarianism.
I have the impression that Trump will be cast out from the presidential elections by his enemies. However, as Biden has done a terrible, terrible job, any republican that runs for president will win anyway.
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