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@Speedrace
You played well m8, made me hate you with my entire being but still played well XD I would've done the same thing
Thanks, You did as well lol. And you were spot on with the ninja thing lol. Had to discredit that for all I was worth lmao.
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@Vader
I was the only one accusing you of lying, and considering I was scum, I knew that you were actually telling the truth. No need to defend yourself on that part at least.
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@Speedrace
I knew it was you because you were gaslighting me and that's not you as town but BRUHHH I was so on point
I had no choice lol. We were in a pretty bad spot. Me and Mike decided the only way to win was the sensor gambit. And I had to argue that for everything I was worth or we lost plain and simple. So yeah... Wasn't my best argument but I didn't have much of a choice. But I feel your frustration this game. I've been there so many times lol.
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@Speedrace
LMAO
part of me feels bad, but then I remember House of Representatives mafia, and The Office mafia....
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@ILikePie5
bruh your dead we don't even know if the games over, gtfo
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Alright think this is the right call.
This should be l-1 vote, on whiteflame to hammer.
vtl speed.
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@Greyparrot
Thing is we know for sure either mikal or speed is scum, but from poe, reese is definitely scum.Is there any advantage for voting reese today?
Reese is POE if the game doesn't end after speed is lynched, but there is still possibility there is just 2 scum. I think its safer to lynch speed here, lynch reece afterwards if the game doesn't end.
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@whiteflame
I'm in agreement with you. I don't think there's much chance it's GP, you or Mikal.
Alright, well since everyone's opined, and it seems were in agreement here should we vote then? Or is there anything further you'd like to discuss?
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
After thinking about this more, I have to say this has gotta be speed. I just don't see a world where mikal kills supa. The bulletproof thing is just icing on the cake I think. If speed is scum last scum is reece.
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@Greyparrot
The more I think about it, speed probs killed supa because I said I would vote for mikal, when really I was just saying that to take note of speed's reactions, which did not seem pro town.
That makes sense. There's no universe mike kills supa, he would have just played me like a fiddle and led a lynch on supa today. If it was speed, and he thought mike was getting lynched today, it wouldn't matter because he could use me being wrong about supa to lead a lynch on me later. Mikal makes 0 sense killing supa no matter which way I spin it.
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@Greyparrot
Sorry I had to do some zoom work for my job.The only reason why I am currently leaning speed over mikal is behaviorly, mikal seemed more willing to go 1 for 1 with speed than speed to go 1 for 1 with anyone.What do you think?
I was leaning mike at first, but I am kind of leaning speed now especially after whiteflame revealed that he was bulletproof. Also im tired of losing to speedrace because of mastermind gambits. Ultimately I see more reason for speed killing supa though as scum instead of mike since he has a visiting role that could implicate him. Mike would have left supa alive for me to push that mislynch, because I thought supa was 100% scum. I don't see mike leaving supa alive. And mikes post #72 felt really townie. Idk.
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@whiteflame
One possibility is that he anticipated the Watcher result. It's possible scum could have their own tracking role. It's also possible that they know what roles are in the game, and that Doc appeared to be a relatively safe choice.
Good point.
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@Greyparrot
Thoughts on whiteflame being bulletproof and potentially explaining the lack of a kill np3 instead of a doc?
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This raises another question: If speed was scum and whiteflame was actually the target of the night kill instead, and he self visited, why claim self doc? If he is scum he would have had to be to paint whoever the real protective role was as scum. Which should have resulted in maybe a 1 v 1 for scum? Idk. Or if doc was a given role claim, then it would make sense why he would be so confident there wasn't another protective role.
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Whiteflame is BP? Interesting. That is actually huge info because I was wondering why they would have targetted speed np3 when whiteflame was basically confirmed
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Heading to the liqour store.
After hearing whiteflame and grey's final thoughts i'll make my decision.
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@Reece101
wtf lol we literally have confirmed scum between speed and mikal
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@whiteflame
You played as scum with speed recently. How do you think his behavior matches up based on what he said in the discord vs the mafia thread to how it looks here? Do you think he's capable of big braining waiving the night kill and visiting himself in hopes supa would watch him?
My worry is how fast he jumped to the conclusion of ninja and stuck with it. Seems like a pretty wild guess but for him to be town here that would have to be true. He seemed to just know a ninja happened, and that is bugging me. thoughts?
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Supa was such a mislynch target... Literally I would have lost us the game if scum kept us alive. I'd be on him right now honest to god. Why tf did scum kill him?! This is mind fvcking me.
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@Greyparrot
@Reece101
so it's mikal or speedrace. If we are wrong we lose the game.
If it's speedrace the last scum is between me and reece, if its mikal I guess it would have to be greyparrot based on behavior, but could be wrong on that.
Supa's death feels wierd. I don't see mikal doing it, or I don't understand why he would. That's the main problem I have with mikal. The main problem I have with speed is the self visit on the watcher report. What roles do scum even have that self visit other than lawyer? and why lawyer if you know the cop is dead and janitored?
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oh btw I strengthened whiteflame last night. Not sure my role is useful anymore, but whiteflame is confirmed town so I figured why not
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@whiteflame
VTL ElmFor all that Speed has been behaving oddly, I still have a hard time seeing him as sus. However, with Oro turning up innocent, this is an easy choice. Don't think there's any chance we have a Sensor at this stage.
whiteflame keep in mind this is now MYLO if there is 2 scum left. We mis lynch we lose here. Also we said the same thing about a hated and miller not being able to exist together. We should talk this through.
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@Speedrace
If I was scum I would've killed Grey because he's the only one that wouldn't flip to MikalLike?? Why would I kill Supa of ALL PEOPLE?? When he was sussed more than me?
It makes even less sense for mikal to kill him though. I was pretty dead set on lynching supa. That was a free mislynch in mylo.
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@Speedrace
I guess to big brain it but hed had to know supa was on him? Which seems logical it would have been him or whiteflame. Big gambit but huge pay off for a doc claimI-Supa literally was on Mikal THE ENTIRE GAME LAST GAME????????????????????????????Why would he be on ME
You mean day phase? And yeah I hear you man, I am just trying to look at all possibilities here. If it were literally anyone else I'd be voting mikal right away. I just know how fvcking clever you are. If anyone could big brain this it's you, and I don't wanna lose to another MYLO to you lol.
leaning mikal being scum here but it is MYLO so just thinking of ways you could have done this.
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Id agree with speed here its undeniable that pie was cop now.
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I guess to big brain it but hed had to know supa was on him? Which seems logical it would have been him or whiteflame. Big gambit but huge pay off for a doc claim
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If oro was miller than pie was cop. Maybe lawyer? But at that point theyd already know cop was dead so why lawyer himself? Idk
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Wtf? Why is supa dead? Also... Gotta have a talk with supa in the endgame about watching hated townies....
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@Reece101
Probably time to hammer oro here. I don't see what more there is to discuss that hasn't been discussed, though I am perfectly willing to re-iterate the reasons for lynching oro. That said, still think supa was the better option here, but I've debated that enough and no one seems to be hearing it, so we are just kind of stalling the inevitable at this point.
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@Greyparrot
When Oro flips scum, would speed be automatically guilty?
If mikals sensor results are real, then the remaining people it could be would be him or supa
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@Greyparrot
it's fine one or the other..if supa really is scum then he will stall for a no lynch likely while speed runs in circles. my bet is supa is town while reese is not tho, just looking at behavior.
Not sure they could stall for a no lynch at that point, if theres 2 scum left. If we mislynch here and there's a successful night kill than that means it's lylo tomorrow unless speed were to properly protect; Assuming he is doctor and didn't forfeit. I still tenatively believe him as town now, but speed would big brain something like this. Always gotta stay on your toes with him.
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unvote, vtl oro.
Supa seems the better option here, but as long we we lynch him tomorrow if oro flips town I suppose it doesn't matter. Also hated townie with miller is bugging me, has since the beginning.
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@Greyparrot
What is your thoughts on a oro/reese team?
If one of oro or supa is scum, then elminster is telling the truth. If the game doesn't end after that, than reece has to be scum, because the only two not on the wagon were me you and reece. Considering your backing mikal here, if mikal is town then you have to be town too, so it would have to be reece. But it depends on if elminster is town or not. We already know oro or supa is scum. Honestly I'd prefer supa based on the inconsistent results and the watching hated townie thing, but if oro is the only other wagon peopel can be convinced of I may have to cave here. If oro flips town though, we have to lynch supa tomorrow.
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@Elminster
in what way could he be scum?if hes vanilla like i think he is, then he would have been afk and not have had to submit an actionanyway back tomorrow. Was trying to type a bit but we cant clear e11 so back in for the night
Dude did you forget your whole argument from dp2? You yourself were the one saying scum would have either submitted the action for him, or he would have submitted it on discord without logging on. Also what if he's goon or his partners made the decision for him. Like what?! Your results implicate him just as much as they do me, assuming their are even 2 scum.
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@Speedrace
LOLLLLLLL
You have the most in depth logical responses I've ever experienced. You must have graduated from the academy of "no u" from the town of "bruh" in the country of "lol"
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@Elminster
Scum is luna and oro
Me and grey are the only ones in your camp right now with you at l-1 lol. I could hammer you so easily right now. If you are town and genuinely think I am scum you don't think I would just cave here and vote you for a free and easy mislynch? Think dude lol. Also why are you discounting reece? your results mean if their are two scum, the other is me or him if supa and oro dont pan out.
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@Reece101
Speedrace won't invest the time to teach you anything about the game; He wants to play on your current bias against elminster for simply voting you. Which means he is trying to use you, don't let him use you. You don't even have to wagon me. If you choose his side I just want you to at least know why what he is saying is ridiculous, and why supa has an overwhelming amount of evidence against him. Speed doesn't care if you understand the reasons, he just wants to see elminster lynched at all costs.
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@Speedrace
Lolll Lunatic knows I never tunnel. I'm telling you, lyncher
Then why are you doing it now? Funny you keep accusing me of being lyncher, when your the one begging whiteflame to get on and hammer elminster when the day phase literally opened hours ago. What's your rush?
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@Reece101
That’s why you don’t vote for people without good reason because people will start voting you.Why are you defending his behaviour so fervently?
If you thought his reason (asking for your claim) wasn't a good reason, then why did you ultimately claim? I am defending Elminster here because night action results implicate supadudz. You are new, so I don't expect you to understand all of this but I'll try to explain.
There are certain roles in this game that do different things to help town, and mafia also have roles that help them. Results from investigative roles are what I am basing the lynching of supadudz off.
Elminster claims to be a sensor. A sensor tells you how many mafia are on a lynch. Elminster says his results indicate that there is 1 mafia on that lynch from yesterday. That means if we find that one mafia member, we know everyone else on that lynch is town. Now he could be lying; but here's why I don't think he is.
1. Speedrace's action line up with his results. Speedrace is a doctor, and can protect people from being night killed. Last night there was no night kill. Speed claims he doctored himself, which would explain why there was no night kill. This means that speed succesfully protected himself.
2. Now Supa claims to be a watcher. Watcher is another investigative role that can watch a player in the night phase to see if anyone visits them. Night phase 1 he claims to have watched elminster1 who claimed hated townie. This makes no sense from a town perspective, because mafia will never kill hated townie when they can mislynch them. Then to make things worse he claimed to watch speedrace night phase 2 and said that no one visited him. Well considering we know that speedrace protected himself and there was no night kill, we know that's not true. So supa is lying about his results.
If supadudz is lying about his results, and elminsters results line up with speedraces results, this demonstrates elminster is town and supadudz is scum. Now there are some extremely rare and convienent things that could make it possible for this to have happened the way speed is trying to say he thinks it happened, but it doesn't make sense for him to believe these things over believing simply that a powerful investigation role like sensor doesn't exist on a town. This is called "tunnel vision". It's when a town member is so afraid of being proven wrong that they won't change their mind on something, even when the evidence overwhelmingly suggests opposite to what they believe. Speed may have good intentions, but he is too worried about being embarrassed by admitting he is wrong here.
Anyways the evidence suggests that supadudz is mafia here. I know you are new and being thrown into the deep end a little bit here, but I will do my best to explain things to you if you have questions.
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@Reece101
Thats called OMGUS. Stands for "oh my god u suck". Its a term used when people vote someone only because they got voted by that person. Its considered weak justification for lynching someone. FOS means "finger of suspicion"
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@Reece101
If I ask you why you think that, will you be honest?
Why I think that you are wagoning? I'll be honest, because you joined the elminster wagon after he FOS'd you. If you are actually new, it's a classic case of OMGUS, of which town are guilty of sometimes. But if you are scum its because you want a mislynch. I don't know you as we haven't played together, so this game will be telling of your playstyle, assuming you aren't lucky_Luciano
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@Speedrace
And he knows Mikal is scum and if Mikal flips scum, he'll never get to lynch Supa. CALLING IT
If you really think I am scum that is ridiculous. As it stands mikal is at l-1. Even if him whiteflame and grey were to join me on the supa wagon, I would still need one person from the other two wagons to get support for this lynch. You think I am buddying mikal that hard knowing he is likely the lynch today? If mikal is lynched and is town I will feel dumb. But that's okay, town can be dumb sometimes. Mafia don't do that though. Talk about throwing shit at a wall and hoping it sticks...
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@Speedrace
Lunatic is a lyncher for Supa, calling it now
Weren't you the one just hooting and hollering for your buddy reece (who has contributed nothing this whole phase) for throwing shit and hoping it sticks lol
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