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@Reece101
Lunatic, to me it just looks like you’re throwing shit at the wall just to see what sticks.
Town, as an un-informed majority, do not know who scum is. They should be wary of everyone. Are you not suspicious of all the other players here? Do you have inside information you shouldn't have?
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What if speed big brained this and forfeited the kill? His behavior makes no sense as town.
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@Speedrace
Clearly you won't listen to reason so I'll just ignore you now
Lol "Reason" That's a funny joke.
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@Speedrace
Literally anyone can join the looney bin discord right now and jump in the DD raiding channel to see that he isn't lolLiterally anyone can see that he was on 16 minutes ago but posted last 55 minutes ago lol
So he posted in between a match? Why don't you literally spy on him in voice chat right now if you wanna spin this narrative lol. I bet you jump in to here him mid gamer spheal lol. You could literally test your theory right now if your were confident in it.
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@Speedrace
I don't need to, because there aren't a large enough pool of games where there are even sensors in them. This whole argument is complete WIFOM.So what I'm hearing is you have no logical basis to assume that the mod put in a sensor and cop with the logic that sensor will be a mislynch? Gotcha
Almost like you have no logical basis to assume that every convienent thing happened to supa to explain his results. Gotcha.
Mike does it all the time, town or scum. And yes, I dish it back after I recieve it. Bearman dished it there. Your "ur high" insult is just kind of pathetic.Pretty sure I've said you're drunk/high before. And I regularly call town idiots lol
Don't see what that has to do with anything. I am saying you still haven't done a good job at proving your point, the fact that you are insulting me to make it shows a lack of confidence in said point.
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@Speedrace
Literally anyone can join the looney bin discord right now and jump in the DD raiding channel to see that he isn't lol
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@Speedrace
What I know is that no one balances a game by "who is likely to be mislynched." And again, you can't point out an example of a sensor being mislynched lol
I don't need to, because there aren't a large enough pool of games where there are even sensors in them. This whole argument is complete WIFOM.
Elminster insulted me when I said he was scum, so let's follow your logic and lynch him :)Also, this you? Hypocrite
Mike does it all the time, town or scum. And yes, I dish it back after I recieve it. Bearman dished it there. Your "ur high" insult is just kind of pathetic.
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@Speedrace
No it's not lol, PLEASE point me to a time when a sensor has been mislynched. And even if they are, then their results are confirmed when they flip inno. You sound like you're high
How many games do you actually play in where are sensors in it? The only game I can even think of on DART was where whiteflame was sensor. It was his first game, so he was believed because there was no way he could come up with that as a fake claim. Also I am not high, but I do take note of your trying to use insults here. A common strategy for someone backed in a corner, who knows they are losing the argument.
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@Speedrace
????????????????????????????????? Watcher and Cop isn't OP because mafia can be given direct counters to both. Mafia has no counter for sensor
Mislynching a sensor is a pretty big counter.
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@Reece101
We’re going through the stages of grief. This is the bargaining stage.
Okay lucky
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@Speedrace
What? If Supa is scum, that means there's a cop AND a sensor b/c Oro would be telling the truth. That's stupid
Why is a cop and a sensor more OP than a watcher and a cop? Especially considering the wagon currently on the sensor. Sensor is more mislynchable than either generally.
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@Speedrace
Also, do you really think Chris would allow a non-1x sensor?
Why not? If hes believed scum night kill him, if not hes a mislynch. In fact hes always a mislynch because his results could lead to a mislynch and cause people not to trust him. Belief in a sensor is what makes it OP, not the role itself.
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What? If Mikal is sensor, Pie can't be cop because of balance, which means Oro is scum. If Mikal isn't sensor, obviously Oro isn't scum.
We agree for the most part but your narrative slightly deters you from the correct path here. Theres supposedly 3 investigators. I agree one of them is false because it would be OP. You agree too but refuse to see supa as an option despite him having the most inconsistent results of the three and o understandable reason for targeting hated townie np1. If you could just remove the narrative blindfolding you, you would see that supa is the lynch here and if town we lynch oro. Mikal makes the least sense here. His results line with yours
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Bruh. Miller is incompatible with Sensor because of the need for a cop and a balanced game. So if Mikal is town, Supa is ALSO confirmed town. So literally no matter what, Mafia used a ninja on me
So pie is only janitored cop when it fits your narrative. Gotcha.
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@Speedrace
How do you know they have a ninja?I believe Supa
Why?
Why do you think it's every night?Why do you think it's not?
I already told you why. If you are actually a doctor, then mafia have no counter to you, especially if you can self doc. You are invulnerable.
If you are doc, what you think scum didn't have a counter to that?Very possible
It's also very possible that there isn't actually a watcher and thus no ninja. You are choosing the narrative you want based on almost nothing.
Even if scum do have a ninja, which is possible, it's likely 1x, and they probably have strongman too.You don't know either of those things
There's sufficient reason to back those theories up. More weight to them than mafia having an everynight ninja lol
Why wouldn't they have strongmanned you last night?Maybe because they don't have one and instead have a ninja?
Why does misterchris only care if mafia have a counter to watcher and not doc?
Why would they have happened to use the 1x ninja last night?Assumes it's 1x
Again, why not a strongman?
There are so many possibilities that it's crazy that you think it all amounts to one thing here; Mafia have a ninja and used it last night on you conveinently, as opposed to supa is lying.Supa had no reason to out watcher and results first thing. He's town. If Mikal flips town, then I'll lynch between Oro and Supa. Otherwise, no
You are right; supa didn't have to out his results. Mikal just asked him to and he panic'd and did, and not his results don't line up with your night actions, or have changed to add them. Which is why you of all people should be suspecting supa here.
There is still no cop claim too.By that logic, you should be on Oro, not Supa. But the cop was pie
By elminsters results it can only be one or the other. And again, at least there's the possibility pie was cop so this is why we lynch supa, and if supa is town oro tomorrow.
You are willing to believe sensor doesn't exist even though his results line with yours. This is baffling.HOW?
You docced yourself. There was no night kill. Supas results don't show anyone visiting you. Mikals results say one of you oro or supa is lying. Supa has been proven to be lying. Your results line up unless you throw every convienent excuse in the book at it. Which you are doing.
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Idk what more I can say here, one of supa or oro is scum here. Supa leans scummier especially for watching hated. Up to you all from here.
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@Speedrace
The fact that Lunatic thinks the ninja was "convenient" makes me think he's scum and mafia only have a limited amount of ninjas
That's convienent.
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@Speedrace
Every mafia kill is going to be a ninja, so that's not "convenient"
I mean its possible but why is it more possible than mikal not lying, especially since there is no cop claim? Oh because pie was convienently also the cop? You rely too heavily on convienences lol.
Also he freaking watched hated townie np1. Like how you town read him is baffling to me.Because Supa is known for making perfectly logical decisions? (sorry Supa)
And you don't think he would made illogical decisions as scum? If I cared enough to do my research I am sure I can prove you wrong here on at least 2-3 occasions, likely more.
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@Speedrace
What do you mean "conveniently ninja'd?" Every kill they have is going to be done by a ninja :|His results do NOT line up with mine, and he is acting like textbook scum
How do you know they have a ninja? Why do you think it's every night? If you are doc, what you think scum didn't have a counter to that? Even if scum do have a ninja, which is possible, it's likely 1x, and they probably have strongman too. Why wouldn't they have strongmanned you last night? Why would they have happened to use the 1x ninja last night? There are so many possibilities that it's crazy that you think it all amounts to one thing here; Mafia have a ninja and used it last night on you conveinently, as opposed to supa is lying. There is still no cop claim too. You are willing to believe sensor doesn't exist even though his results line with yours. This is baffling.
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@Speedrace
If you think Supa is scum for changing up results, Mikal did the same thing b/c he didn't reveal even night sensor until everyone started voting him
I don't just think supa is just scum for that, I think he is scum because no one showed up on his results meaning mafia forfeited or convienently ninjad last night. Also he freaking watched hated townie np1. Like how you town read him is baffling to me.
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@Speedrace
It makes no sense to me why you are so tunneled in on mikal right now especially given his results line up with yours lol. You should be the number one person suspecting supa right now. That you are willing to buy that mafia convienently ninjad last night over a sensor existing in a game without a claimed cop is bewildering.
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@Vader
Let's also make clear that I am an un CC'd power nation. France was a big 3 before the Nazi invasion. If I am scum, why wouldn't I have been CC'd.
I mean we know scum were given a fake claim, so this is irrelevant.
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@Vader
Furthermore, I am now looking at oromagi and lunatic as my top 2 targets. Lunatic's quick jump onto my lynch without hearing my point of view seems like he is hunting for mislynches
I find the idea of "Hunting for mislynches" kind of silly. In fact 90% of the time when someone says that about someone, the person "hunting for mislynches" ends up town. Scum are more likely to be lurky, and non-aggressive. Case in point; Elminster last game. You or someone said he was hunting for mislynches too when he was town. Anyways, this whole post is OMGUS lol
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@Reece101
I thought we were taking it slow?
I was specifically asking people to wait for doc or cop to show up. Doc has revealed and cop doesn't seem to exist. That said I am not rushing anything lol .
Also you are not new. Nice try though.
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@whiteflame
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I now see that he's Poland. I'm still wary of Elm's claim, though I have a harder time dismissing Speed's. At least theoretically (assuming protective roles didn't play a part), that means he was targeted by scum during the NP, though now he's run out of shots with his doc role. Still, if he stopped even 1 NK by doctoring himself, than it was worth it.But yeah, in general, I'm wary of Oro's claim. His character seems overly safe, and his role hasn't got a shred of support to it. Maybe Pie was the cop, but odds aren't in favor of that. If scum is among the people who claimed after he was killed, they would have used his claim, and neither Poland nor Canada really fit a cop role. It's possible that scum had already claimed by then, but if they did, they would have claimed something safe. Oro fits that well enough.VTL Oro
How did mafia not show up on supas report? Convienently ninjas? Waived? I ahve a harder time chewing that down than a sensor, especially consindering no cop. I say we get oro tomorrow, get supa today.
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@oromagi
I dont buy SENSOR.....seems to OP for this game. EVEN claim seems convenient way to explain no NP1 check. You seem to have swung 180 on the claim and I wonder why.
The lack of a claimed cop is literally why lol. Regardless, thoughts on supas results swap? And justification for targeting hated townie np1?
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@Vader
I responded to why I targeted hated, but simple reason is that Elm sometimes dies early in game and if I could see that then I could have a lead
Mafia would never in their right mind target hated townie. Did you forget elm claimed hated?
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So this is between oromagi and supa for me. Both are implicated by the sensor.
Oro could be lying but there is the possibility that pie was cop.
Supa literally just changed his results after speed revealed, even though commonly people aren't seen visiting themselves. Supa is harder to believe because we have to buy that mafia waived or convienently ninja'd last night.
This feels like supa.
vtl supa
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@Vader
Speed visited himself last night. Chris sent me a clarification in my PM. No other visitors visited Speed
oh wait a darned second. Unvote.
thats sus
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@whiteflame
I should clarify to you btw, that elminster 1 was hated townie and lynched. Elminster 2 replaced intel and is claiming poland. Just because you mentioned the soviet union, which is no longer applicable.
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So everyone's claimed or at least claimed not to be the cop. Which means:
1. There is no cop
2. Pie was cop
If 1, then oro is scum. Combined with the fact that there was a hated townie, that doesn't look to good. Or misterchris put a miller with no cop; bastard mod.
If 2, yeah we learn nothing from this.
But elminsters results do suggest one of pie or supa, and given that speeds results line up with elminsters, I think we are better off lynching oro here. Also why would elminster lie so early for no reason?
vtl oromagi
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@Speedrace
Because America makes sense as doc
I thought america was vig tbg
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@Speedrace
Also if you dont think we have a cop why wouldnt you be suspicious of oro??
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@Speedrace
Im surprised your so willing to buy into a ninja over believing elminster here. His results implicate one of you or oro, combined with your results, supas not looking so good.
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No reason to rush this phase. Lets get cop and docs results before we decide.
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I'll start with my claim since I am asking for cops and docs. I am the 2x enabler. Np1 I targeted Speedrace. I waived last night because roleblocker is dead so it seemed a waste since I don't know who it could be useful for yet. I am enabler because I assisted America with workers like farmers and gave them supplies for the war which was huge for
America at the time.
America at the time.
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Here's where we are at. Mikal is scum, or one of oro or supa is scum, and one of me and reece is scum. We could lynch mikal and find out tomorrow of course which it is, but if he's town that gives scum a free mislynch when it can potentially be avoided if mikal is town. Mafia would want mikal dead here unless he is scum.
The better solution would be to force a mass claim. Why not? We were about to anyway dp1. Cop could give results and it looks good for oro. If no cop, it looks bad for oro. Doctor can say who they protected, which seems like it was probably whiteflame, but if it was anyone else they are confirmed.
How about it, cop and doc? Save us a potential mislynch, and help the POE potentially 1-2 more townies.
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@Speedrace
Bruh. Do you not see all the scum signs behaviorally??I will eat my hat if Mikal is not scum lolAnd GP right after him
I actually think the claim is suspicious, but I am doubting the behavior. He is extremely aggressive right now, calling out both me and you as scum. I think town mikal is more likely to be aggressively tunnely like that. I am not opposed to lynching mikal though, scum is guarateed to be between him, supa/oro, and me or reece given all the information we have. If we have cop out and give even more information that confirms another player that's even better. Especially if you think cop is x shot, there's no reason for them to go to their grave with an innocent result.
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@Speedrace
Also even if he did, drafter would've told him to make it 1x. If you are cop, please DO NOT COUNTERCLAIMWe don't need the cop to out
Ironically I was about to suggest the opposite.
If mikal is telling the truth then scum is oro or supa. Or you, but I doubt that. Cop would look good for oro POE'ing supa, and if there's no cop its for sure oro. Also mafia has so much POE that they likely can find the cop tonight anyway so if they have an innocent it would probably be useful at this point.
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@Speedrace
There was a sensor in like chris's 2nd or 3rd game, in fact I think we caught him with it. It was a supa game. Whtieflame was the sensor.
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@whiteflame
He's claiming Even night sensor.
Also intelligence was online not long ago, but I suppose thats irrelevant if he couldn't submit the night action anyway.
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@Vader
I don't think there would be 2 anti-town roles in this game though. A Hated and a Miller. We know Elm1 was Hated. Also know that scum knows what Pie's role and char is, so be weary if there is a cop claim
I had that thought as well. But it's kind of mod psyche but something to consider.
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@Elminster
I have evolved past this site, and its why town has such a shit win ratio.
Actually not true. I posted stats fairly recently that contradict this. Town tends to actually win more often then lose on this site. Not gonna argue with you about whether your a pro scum catcher or not, because I think you can be decent when you don't get side tracked with tunnel vision logic. I was saying saying you carrying the last 5 games isan extreme exageration.
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