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Oh btw, any talk about me confirming role this phase is pretty silly at this point, danielle's role basically confirms me. That's why she was opposed to wasting the phase testing me last day phase I am guessing. I will admit my role mentions her as well, and yes I did partially lie about part of my role for pro town reasons, but I am not going to elaborate, as I am essentially confirmed now.
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Ha, that's why danielle thought I was hiding something, because she was bulletproof. Sounds like she must have protected the right person, good job danielle. I am guessing she protected whiteflame or bearman, those seem like the likliest targets for her
Long night actions = Speedrace.
Speedrace is most likely scum anyway, danielle had a big FOS on him and my FOS never went away either. Oviously I'd like to hear the results, but I think I will advocate a speed lynch today.
Also I appologize about my relative inactivity last day phase, the day went up at an inconveient time because I had a graveyard shift during the second day, and when I was finally able to post pie ended up getting quick hammered before I was available. I should be active this phase.
vtl speedrace.
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@RationalMadman
No doubt this nonsense will fill before mine
Start tagging or PM'ing people. No one signs up if you don't advertise. If you don't want to "beg" or whatever it is you said before your game just won't fill up. It's always been that way.
Oh, and /in
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@ILikePie5
Bunch of hypocrites
The reason I said I wouldnt claim is because I knew id survive a lynch lol. Hardly hypocritical. Your just an idiot.
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vtl pie, if im not already on him I'll contribute more in a few hours.
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@ILikePie5
This is contrived af from Lunatic lmao
Contrived?!
My question wasn’t even close to what GP asked
You both asked me my thoughts on speed, which was wierd because I already said I still scum read him. It was wierder that you asked it at the same time.
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@Greyparrot
Who do you want to lynch? Sorry if it looked like pie and I are in a pm cause we definitely are not.I have been sus of speed since dp1
I suspect speed, but giving him a bit of leeway til we get the rest of the claims. I am also suspicious of pie, I would like a role claim from him.
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
Given your role, do you suspect speed as being the non-pm Mafia?
Do you believe either Speed of BM are scum and if so who/why. Both are scum, or both are town?
Woah why does this feel really wierd to me that you guys both asked the same question at the same time basically. Almost like mafia communication where it was discussed to ask me that but you didn't know the other one was gonna do it.
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@ILikePie5
I am okay with being lynched, not to be a dead horse but we are really wasting the game though by doing it today. If we did it last day phase like I suggested we would have had more wiggle room. That said, we should use the full extent of the day phase and probably get the rest of the roles (not characters) from the players since power roles are out. We should have some decent POE to work with then knowing theres 3 mafia.
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speed/pie still top scum reads. I think we should look into danielle also, but she's been pretty townie, but I won't discount her.
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@Danielle
It is weird though that Luna initially refused to full claim last day phase in post #83, but then later said he would. It's possible Luna isn't being entirely truthful about his role, but I don't wanna focus on it too much tbh.
I wanted to be the target of a night kill or roleblock, I am hoping I at least baited a role block.
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@Speedrace
cop results?
I hate to say, the length of the night phase didn't make me any less suspicious of you. Having just modded a game where you took up the whole night phase to submit actions each time...
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@Danielle
Deathproof... Kind of. Since my character doesn't associate with the deadly ways of the fire nation, I wont be killed if lynched or night killed. If a certain character dies, I die too. I was hoping to get lynched last phase if we didnt have other options to prove this. Went to sleep and woke up and you had already pushed a vtnl.
I guess we can still prove it today after we've exhausted the phase. I won't say which character my death is hinged on obviously. I started out with the information that there were 3 mafia and 1 not in a pm because as a general for fire nation I have inside information.
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@seldiora
Remember that even Roy, who established himself as a strong debater in politics, especially by defeating a gauntlet which had imabench and conservative politico, personally has only lost to Raisor, thett3, TUF, Daneille, and a handful of others
I got such an elo boost from that debate with roy. I was actually losing until an unexpected last minute vote came through.
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from the wiki, apparently Aang frequently uses Roku's visions for guidance in stopping the 100 year war. It's kind of stretchy justification but it also kind of fits. Mafia probably have a some good fake role claims.
If speed is town, here I am thinking bear is scum though.
Factoring in my role this could be a pretty stacked town, or one of the investigators is lying. But speed's claim seems solid from my very limited understanding of reading the wiki
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@Speedrace
Also I'm Avatar Roku and I'm the cop
Justification?
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@Speedrace
speed your at l-1, anything you think you can say to help us re-consider?
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If speed flips scum, pie is my next focus dp2
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@Danielle
That's probably true but I was hoping you would imply your role was important so the mafia targeted you for the NK lol. I want to make it to day phase 2! Tell us more about how they should kill you.
Im just gonna ask this publicy: If there is a doctor, for the love of pete, protect danielle. Let's let her play more than one day phase at least lol.
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@Danielle
And it's interesting that you voted for me for no reason but need a good reason to vote Speed.
Yeah I said that too. Especially because he seemed to be town reading you right after voting you by saying your motivations seemed good for moving the game along.
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@whiteflame
Well, I guess I'll just put this out there: for those who are voting Speed, what are your reasons? I'm open to putting my vote there if there's good reason for it.
Most of my case for speed is here: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4951-avatar-the-last-airbender-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=64
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@ILikePie5
What?
I think there is trolling. There is no way he actually thinks what he is doing is gamebreaking lol
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@Danielle
Let's vote Speed or No Lynch just to move the game along.
I'd say if we end up going no lynch, you should probably lynch me instead, but I am on board the speed lynch.
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@Danielle
Can someone confirm Bearman always plays like this? (Clueless with no idea what's going on) Like I said if so, we should move on.
His play i'd say is generally sub-par, maybe with a slight exception in the last game. The only game I've seen him as scum in was naruto mafia, in which he did something similar to what he's doing now with the rolefishing, by outting publicly that someone's character was likely a protective role. I tunneled him for that for an entire day phase and got called crazy. Turns out he was scum. Him publicly fishing power roles isn't a town tell.
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@Speedrace
You literally just said that me voting Bear surprised you. So I'm scum if I scum read Bear and I'm scum if I town read him. Which is it?
You being scum isn't tethered to bears affiliation. What did you think I town read you after you voted bear?
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@whiteflame
So your vote is still on danielle, but you've mentioned bear a couple of times as being suspicious. Is there a way you can use your vote for valid pressure, seeing as right after voting danielle you said she seemed to be "moving things along"?
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@Danielle
And right now I don't feel comfortable lynching him dp1, especially because if your role is legit, I think it would make sense balance wise to have a town tracker. And I just don't feel like losing a potential PR at this point. So I'ma keep my vote on Speed and see what plays out.
Yeah also if he tracks wierd targets or something we can come back to him later.
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@Danielle
Earlier when I said I was waiting for Speed's input, part of that was waiting to see if he put focus on Bearman. At the time you and I started to get impatient with Bearman and you expressed willingness to lynch him (which I was considering but didn't say outright). I figured that Bearman would be the best person to frame and I was curious if Speed would redirect suspicion from him onto Bearman. That's exactly what he did, so now I'd still prefer to lynch Speed or at least get a claim.
Interesting didn't think of that.
I realize we have a good amount of claims for DP1 but at this point Speed's is the only one I feel comfortable putting a vote on. The alternative is lynching you which I don't want to do dp1 or Bearman which I don't feel is in our best interest right now.
I prefer a speed lynch atm as well, but if it doesn't pan out do to being a strong character or role, I am okay with being lynched as an alternative if we have no where else to go.
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@Speedrace
I don't remember I'll have to go look back, although didn't it end DP2? And I wouldn't say he's "so town" to me, just lean. Why, do you scum read him?
Yeah game ended after we lynched him dp2. I am starting to scum read pie because I am noticing similiarities in his play from naruto. He targeted you for a lynch for having a wierd role, and that's basically the same thing he was FOS'ing me for here. As scum I think he loves to push lynches on abnormal roles because they are easy mislynches. He probably thought I would have been an easy mislynch earlier in the phase because I had an abnormal role. The way he kept saying I was going to die today if I didn't claim made it seem like he was pretty serious. He changed his tune pretty easily after you unvoted and danielle agreed somewhat with my analysis from early in the phase meaning it didn't look like I was so easy to lynch. Now all of a sudden he is just going to be satisfied with my character claim? I don't feel genuinuity from him, and I don't feel like he's actually town trying to solve the game.
Now he hasn't voted but he seems to be leaning toward the bear lynch which I am becoming increasingly skeptical of the wagon, but the bear lynch seems to be the next ideal potential mislynch with warren pointing out character flaws. I get the feeling pie will be okay with any of the easier lynch targets. Also you guys buddy buddying doesn't make me feel any better about it, since I already read you.
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@Speedrace
When his play is deviating from his standard town play AKA town callouts/reads/policies that are inconsistent with what he usually does. I've only seen him as scum twice though
Did you scum read him properly in naruto? He was pretty brazen mafia dp1, ultimately led your lynch. I could classify that broadly as callouts/reads/policies. I guess I don't specifically understand why he's so town here to you.
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@whiteflame
Damn, I had a whole treatise on pie...
What's your treatise on who the scum are?
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@Speedrace
Emphasis on the word twice :)And it should be out of how many games you've played with me period
Off the top of my head I can think of playing forum mafia with you as scum twice, the office and BAMF, though I am probably forgetting more. Oh a maybe a few tiumes in live mafia but I forget those pretty quick.
7. iLikePie5 - Lean town, typical Pie play and I agree with his reads
In what circumstance would you scum read pie ever?
Why isn't skittlez in that pile? I think he should be pressured as well next DP
Skittlez didn't have a notable reaction, but I slightly town read him for being early to point out that there was still an upvote on that post before scum could unvote.
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@Speedrace
What are your thoughts on warren and Grey
Both town so far. Im still focused on my POE from earlier though, I think there is at least one scum in the group: You, croc, bearman, misterchris.
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@Speedrace
Lol remember what I told you after Drafter's game? You've only successfully scumread me twice
Out of how many games have I played with you in where you've been scum?
I already said I town read him
Did you say why?
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@Danielle
@warren42
@Speedrace
Thoughts on pie?
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Kinda mind fvcked. Thought speed/bear was a scum team but speed pushing him has me second guessing. Could be a bus... But idk
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omw way to work, will be about an hour or so. Trying to think about who should be our dp1 target. Im still feeling speedrace atm.
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No more character claims, we have enough. Any pressure going forward should be for a lynch, and character claim just if it's to save their life.
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@warren42
On top of that you said you would not be claiming until after D1, so that implied to me that D2 you were prepared to full claim.
Take that with a grain of salt. Obviously if there was significant pressure on me I would comply with a claim, I just needed to know there was a valid reason aside from satisfying pie's curiosity.
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@BearMan
HOL TF UP.SOMEONE JUST UN-LIKED LUNATIC'S POST.
It was you, wasn't it?
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@Danielle
Kind of just want to lynch bear now. His behavior is purposefully trolly, and destructive to the day phase. Also he did react to my claim in a wierd way by acknowledging my I win with the mafia statement but saying we shouldn't focus on it. I thought his reaction was scum indicative especially if he thought he was my mafia partner. I was going to give him a pass for being a noob, but I am more thinking it is a scum slip at this point. Also he was very hostile like this and aggressive as mafia in naruto mafia when I called him out as scum, I am thinking I see a similarity. I don't want to give speed a pass either, but if we can't get a wagon on speed, bear is the next best thing.
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@BearMan
This post talks about way more than liking a post.
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@BearMan
Breh doesn't answer the question. Like can you? Or is your logic inherently flawed?
Lol. LMAO.
I wanna change the lyrics of that song "Breathe, just breathe!"
To "Read, just read!"
It would be very applicable as a meme to tag you in.
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@Danielle
Yeah. If you and I stop posting, the day phase would just not go anywhere lol. Should we do it? I'm getting kind of bored of having to tell people that they should be voting or pressuring someone. Pie unvoted you but then didn't vote for Speed or anyone else. Greyparrot isn't pushing the game forward so his presence is useless. Even someone pressuring me for rambling so much would be useful or indicative of giving af, but nobody is doing anything. And it's very hard to read Bearman and Skittlez if they are just meh mafia players. Their logic is flat out wrong and behavior arguably scummy. For this reason I'd be willing to vote them for claims since I have no idea how to read them, but once again I don't feel like doing all the leg work to get people to get on that wagon. So at this point I'm pretty close to just giving up.
It's mostly because this game is missing some of the better minds. SirAnonymous, drafter etc. Warren is AFK, and speed is the subject of our scum reads, and pie is being obstinate, that leaves us with the lazies. Yeah this game will feel largely like banging our heads against walls.
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