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@BearMan
THEN EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION INSTEAD OF TELLING ME I DIDN'T READ THE DP
Why don't you just read it instead? If you think all I was doing with my reaction test was trying to bait out a like, then you didn't really read the day phase and you are lying. I am not gonna fist feed it to you, just stop lying about actually reading the day phase when you haven't.
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@BearMan
I already read the entire day phase, idk why you keeping up with this. Your excuse for having flawed logic is that I didn't read the DP somehow.
So then you are purposely mis-representing my position. I only see scum motive for doing that.
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@ILikePie5
Very well then.Unvote
If your unvoting, are you going to take my earlier reaction test with a grain of salt and help pressure speed?
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@Danielle
If you guys really want a claim I can claim this day phase. Like I said to warren, my resistance to claiming is more fundamental than just waiting until day phase 2, it's the fact that literally no one is providing a decent enough reason that I should claim. If I am going to have to claim day phase 2 I almost might as well claim now so you guys can test my role and we don't have to waste time talking about things tomorrow.
I ultimately just didn't understand the need to claim at all and pie's only reason was "I've never seen that a role where you have information at the start of the game" which is ridiculous, seeing as it's a custom role and I seriously don't even think the info applies to the role I have at all. If I did something scummy, and that is the reason for demanding a claim, that would make sense. That is not the case. Pie wants my claim for the sake of just knowing it, and bearman literally hasn't read the day phase and is making mis-assumptions about my reaction test being only about a like, because he's a retarded cunt nugget lol.
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Lol at bearman still not reading the day phase
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@skittlez09
honestly i dont know right now im torn between speed an lunaluna is a wait an see vote for me rnspeed im unsure of
Do you know anything about the discussion between me and speed lol? Did you read anything or just see our names a lot and assume one or the other is scum?
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Current Mafia
SupaDudz - Avatar The Last Airbender
Signups
In the Hopper
Danielle
Danielle
Bear- Bad Mod
ILikePie5 - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
Mharman - Voting: Stage 1
drafterman - Paranoia
Speedrace
Lunatic
SupaDudz - The Disastrous Life of Saiki
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, PressF4Respect, crocodile, RM
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@whiteflame
I have some suspicions, though nothing solid just yet. And to your question, Danielle, I think I’ll learn more from seeing how this round plays out than from trying to dissect each individual interaction. I haven’t had much experience in this, but I plan to develop it quickly.
By round do you mean the entire game, or the day phase? The hard part about letting you do that, is if your mafia we have no way to identify you via behavior.
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@whiteflame
Largely what I expected: a lot of accusations with little evidence. Enjoy watching it play out, though.
You have no suspicions or reads?
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@whiteflame
thoughts on the phase so far?
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@Danielle
@Luna, do you wanna pressure one of them in particular? I can look back and see what I think. I don't know Bearman so I'd probs have a harder time reading him than Speed.
Speed so far is pinging me based on the omgus, it was reminiscent of BAMF mafia where I was town and called him as scum out dp1. I don't wanna tunnel it, but I also feel it's weird that it seemed he was trying to say I was contriving a gambit when only a few players had posted, but didn't say anything or press it. If he thought I was his scum partner I think it makes sense, but it didn't come off as particularly townie. Speed is my biggest read, and misterchris's post is up there based on trying to dismiss every option except for the one where I would actually have been scum. Seemed like he was trying to joke it off. Bearman and croc are noobs, they both have played a lot but generally post one liners, and nothing incredibly helpful most of the time so I would say they are "noobs" by those standards, though technically misterchris is newer, he is very smart and a big poster, I don't consider him a noob. That said I think judging bearman I am a little unsure whether to consider his reaction like a noob scum thing or just a noob town thing.
Btw, I am so glad you are on board here, I was losing my mind to these braindead townies before you got on lol.
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Me unliking my post is a little too elaborate for no reason. Your arent spinning a compelling narrative here. Explain what mu motivation is as scum. Dont just say town cred either. I wasn't scum read.
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@ILikePie5
Because thats the Wifom that you choose to believe not that it reflects reality.
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@ILikePie5
Literally right after reading your post where you said I could jave been the one to like it. I am MST utah ntw so the time on my phone should line up with the posts time of when we had that convo.
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@Greyparrot
Why did Oro hard claim?
That was the previous game when he was scum. Not sure why.
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@ILikePie5
Did you take your screenshot before or after you realized someone unliked it?
After.
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@BearMan
I still don't understand why mafia would make it obvious that they liked the post. You claiming mafia is already weird.
*facepalm* Just... Read the day phase, I can't talk to you about something if you have no clue whats going on lol
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@Speedrace
Y'all are scumreading people because you think they liked your post? How do we know that you didn't like your own post? Liking a post and being mafia are two very different things.+100
It's blatantly manipulative to agree with every post you think is contrary to what I am saying, when it's clear bearman didn't read the context of the issue.
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@BearMan
Y'all are scumreading people because you think they liked your post? How do we know that you didn't like your own post? Liking a post and being mafia are two very different things.
No, and I am guessing you didn't bother to read any of the context with what I've said. Also I posted a screenshot proving it wasn't my own post, thats how you know it wasn't my own. Liking the post in and of itself doesn't mean someone is mafia, it just seems fishy in the context of me claiming I am mafia when mafia know there is someone not involved in their PM and it could have been a clever way to signal to that person that they know and understand, so I should stfu. I could be wrong about the whole thing, and if someone wants to fess up to the like, that's fine, but I'd like them to explain why they liked it
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@Speedrace
Discord and a forum are two different things, That's different than liking
There still forms of reaction similar to a like.
Thankyou. The one flaw I've realized with the screenshots, if scum were big brained enough they could just quickly unlike it, have their scum partner like it, and take the screen shot and dod Vice Versa for their partner. That said I will probably cede on the like point, because I admit it's kind of a stretch.
So I'm scum because I didn't scum read you...? What?
Again, it's just theory wifom, but it's only because you bothered pointing out that the reaction test was not efficient without the bulk of the players. Town speed should have probably assumed it was a contrived reaction test under that logic, you didn't say anything after, just kind of waited to see if it would be swept under the rug.
I didn't vote you before because I didn't even scum read you and was just confused about why you were claiming you were mafia. In fact, no one else was voting you lol
Why would you be confused instead of assuming it was some joke or RVS like a good portion of other players did? The fact you reacted that way just felt odd to me considering your experience and intelligence level. It seemed more like a signal.
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@Speedrace
And? You just said that the reason why this situation is different than the one with Oro is because Oro did something that he has never done before; that implies that you have claimed mafia before as town.
This is a semantics argument. The situation is different, oro did something completely opposite of his town meta. Can you prove that I wouldn't do this in my town meta? I obviously haven't used this strategy, because it was specific to the information I got in my role. A completely unique role PM that I've never seen in my life. Why would I have done that elsewhere without having this specific particular role?
You claimed that I liked the post...even though I never like posts...and even if I did...I would have literally no reason to as scum (or as town for that matter)...so where exactly is the implication?
I assume you like the post for the following reasons:
1. You react frequently to posts on discord using the little emojis.
2. You frequently react to posts you like or think are funny even if it's a seperate post just containing an "XD" or something.
3. In my recent arguments with RM on the front page of the website, I was calling him a hypocrite for his actions, and got a ton of likes, most of which I assume came from the mod team as I assume mods probably took that as me siding with them.
If you didn't like the post to signal me because you thought I was your mafia partner, I obviously have no way of proving that except asking you for a screenshot. But that's also not the only reason I scum read you. I also pointed out that your "Huh" felt a little like a signal of "hey bro what are you doing", and your subsequent lack of pushing what seemed like should have been a scum tell in you thinking I wasn't pushing my gambit correctly when you thought I didn't wait for enough players to get on. You didn't vote me til you realized I was undoubtedly town by exposing that information (if y our scum it is undoubtable).
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@Speedrace
Ok then, please point me to the last game that you claimed you were mafia in as town. I'll wait
You didn't vote me for claiming that I was mafia remember? It's part of the reason I scum read you. You voted me after I revealed information that implicated you.
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@Speedrace
I don't think Supa has ever even made a game with a unique role
Completely untrue. Scum slip? Do you not remember your crazy wierd JOAT strongarm/vengeful/PGO bullshit role from naruto? lol
Misterchris was a randomized JOAT.
Both of those roles were based on character justification, just as mine is.
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@Speedrace
Yes you do. For example, everyone was voting Oro last game whether they were suspicious of him or not because it benefitted town for him to claim
Oro did something suspicious. I did not. Oro did something he's never done as town as far as i'm aware, and basically hard claim a character in a pretty direct way when literally every town game he does vague and obscure hints. All I did was reveal helpful information for town from my PM after using it in a way I feel was advantageous for the town. There isn't an imperative for me to reveal more unneccesarily.
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@Speedrace
I currently do not scum read Lunatic, but I think we should gather more info+1
I'm glad you agree we should get more information. Since I've said I am not claiming, what is your new plan to go on about gathering information this day phase?
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@Speedrace
I completely disproved that theory lol
You didn't really dis-prove it, you just reverse wifomed my wifom. If your scum it's not like you would admit it though.
Because I don't see what role you could possibly have that would make Supa give you that info
I've never seen this role before. Sometimes mods make crazy roles, I do it all the time too. Just cuz you haven't seen a role doesn't mean it doesn't exist homes. If you don't scum read me there is no point in pushing for more information. I think you are playing both sides of the fence, so that when I do eventually claim or get lynched you can make youself look good by saying "hey I never said I scum read him". You don't vote people if you aren't suspicious of them.
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@Speedrace
I don't even scumread you but ok
Why vote me? It's conviently after I pointed out my scum theory on you. Just getting flash backs from BAMF mafia here.
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@warren42
I, for one, don't want to lynch Lunatic if he says he's willing to claim D2, which it seems he was. BUT that better be your first post tomorrow.
It's a bit more fundamental then that though, because I don't understand why anything I've said means I should claim anything. I freely gave the town information that I didn't have to, that info being public only hurts mafia. At the very most it should be a null read. I mean I can claim but I would at least like to hear a valid reason for me to do so. Pie hasn't given one. It's completely based on WIFOM that makes no sense at all, and doesn't consider the option that I am being truthful. He could literally cut and paste the same case against a cop who outted guilty results and say he didn't believe them. It's pure WIFOM. And speed is probably scum (he frequently omguses as mafia also, so im really not surprised he is voting me here). But if you think I should claim at all, even if it is day phase 2, please at least provide an elaborate reason as to why.
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Then you’ll be lynched for being anti-town
Maybe I guess we will see what the others have to say.
As a side note, I'm not one whose ever been hesitant to claim as scum. Normally as town too. So as town theres probably a pretty good reason I am resistant to claiming in this circumstance. If I am mafia all I am doing is drawing unnecessary attention to myself here. Think about it.
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@Greyparrot
@skittlez09
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@BearMan
On the contrary, I reccommend you all think independently for yourselves and decide for yourselves whether you agree with pies logic.
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@ILikePie5
Asking for a full claim doesn’t mean you’re scum. I have an FOS on you which is why I’m asking you to full claim. If you choose not to then that’s anti-town and I’d policy lynch you just for that
There isn't a strong enough basis for me to claim based on fallible WIFOM, I'm sorry.
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@MisterChris
Good to know. Heres mine: https://ibb.co/7bSfB3k
I'm not sure if this is allowed but Yolo. Everyone else should do this as well.
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@ILikePie5
It would be anti-Town for you to not claim. I ended up claiming to not be lynched. Maybe you should do the same if you are town
With the role I have its not actually all that anti town for me not to claim. I may claim day phase 2 though. If I'm lynched today its a minor inconvience as in a waste of a lynch, but it doesn't severely hurt the town and at the very least will get you guys to take my earlier analysis with more of a grain of salt than you are now.
At this point I'd rather hope that Danielle, Warren or grey can talk some sense into you. Im not particularly close to being lynched with only two votes anyway.
Your entire suspicion is Wifom, as is my counter to your suspicion. I do not think their is enough here to justify lynching me. I admit a lot of the logic behind my theory on scum is also wifom, but its why I am asking for others opinions about it. Youve just made a conclusion and are sticking to it without considering the possibility you are wrong.
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@ILikePie5
Are we allowed to post screenshots of the day phase? I can prove its not me who upvoted it right now if so.
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@MisterChris
Did you upvote my post saying I win with the mafia?
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@MisterChris
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@MisterChris
what was your scum hint?
My role PM reveals the info that there is 3 scum, 1 who isn't in the PM with the mafia and who they do not know about. I asked supa if mafia know that someone else knows this information before the game started, he said they do not. Thus my gambit.
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@Speedrace
But you have no way of telling who liked it and who didn't. For all you know it could've been someone who is not even playing
The fact that one upvote magically dis-appeared after I claimed my info has me thinking otherwise.
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@MisterChris
If someone can explain what exactly happened there, I might have better insight.
I was lone wolf and immediately tagged my scum partners hinting to them I was scum. No one pointed it out until LYLO. The difference here is pretty big, because now I am openly giving the info that I know there is a lone wolf, which would be pretty contrary to helping my scum team if I were actually the lone wolf claiming this information.
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@Speedrace
Whenever someone does something like you did and I'm town, I never ignore it, why would I start now? Pretty sure my reaction when Wylted did the same thing was very similarI never thought you were trolling or pushing for inactivity btw, Besides this, scum could easily be anyone who hasn't reacted (either purposefully or by inactivity) and you've now put unnecessary sus on town.
I think it's more likely both scum have reacted already. By the time I made my reveal all but two plaeyrs had posted. The day phase does need to move along though, and I am pretty sure by the two upvotes, both scum were at least online by the time I made that claim. Unless someone else wants to take credit for one of the upvotes and also explain why they upvoted that post, which I am also open to hearing out.
I've already been scum where my partner didn't know who I was and I was much subtler in letting them know. Why would I like the post as scum knowing you don't know who liked it xD
I'd say if you are scum here, you were fairly subtle in this exchange as well. No one would have said anything about it before I revealed the info. It's only not subtle if you don't already know that there is a lone wolf.
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@MisterChris
My interpretations of events revolving my gambit may be whacky, I admit. Its why I asked the advice of several other experienced players to see if I am making a mountain out of a molehill here or not.
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@ILikePie5
Town cred. The one thing you didn’t have Bastard Mafia and were caught because of it
I didn't need towncred. No one openly suspected me. Hmm could be because I'm actually town lol.
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@ILikePie5
I explained to you why you would have to do it.
And your wrong and not considering this at all as me being innocent. Your loss i guess.
Then be prepared to be lynched. That’s how you were going to proceed against me two games ago right?
Considering the fact you were town, that argument works against you does it not?
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@Speedrace
You wanted to tell your teammates that you're the third one?VTL Lunatic
Literally just saying I win with the mafia and leaving it at that would have been enough if that was my actual goal lol. People were dismissing it, why take it a step further unnecessarily?
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@ILikePie5
For the same reason you did in Bastard Mafia. Not to mention it seriously under powers scum if they accidentally kill you. Especially considering you’d be the prime target cause of your experience
No circumstances help the mafia by outing that info needlessly. This is silly. However I am sticking to my guns here, and not claiming til day phase 2 under any circumstances. If that results in my lynch so be it, but at least you will understand my position on not claiming til dp2 if I'm lynched.
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@MisterChris
Or, OR, hear me out, I didn't think of it when making the list. I've only just recently gotten a hold on the whole gambit concept. You're jumping to conclusions pretty hard rn.
Could be. I'm taking it all with a grain of salt but I think there is substance to my theory.
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@Speedrace
I meant why do you have that info
The mod gave it in my pm. Its part of my role....
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@ILikePie5
I cannot full claim this day phase. Your gonna have to trust me on this or try and lead a lynch on me. The circumstances here are very different from bastard states though. Why would I out I was the third scum if I was actually the third scum?
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@Speedrace
What's the info in your pm
I already said the info. Its that there is 3 scum and 1 isn't in the pm.
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@skittlez09
i looked i just saw it
perfect. There was 2 a couple minutes ago lol
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