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@oromagi
nobody's rules specifically . I think you do a good job at modding, in fact. Look at bullish defending his ROLE choices in the last game-everybody's using a different list of ROLES so how can any player deduce whether a fellow players gameplay is standard or a player's role claims are false when ROLES can be anything? These games have become more random crap shoot than any game of reason or skill.
Draftermans list has some rules that have some very interesting mechanics. Many of the roles in my games are taken from his list, but I do think it's necessary to change the mechanics of many to make them balanced in a normal game. The roles are as said in the drafter list can be pretty over powered in many cases.
I don't know if I stand behind the complaint that roles should only function one way, I think at the end of the day behavior should matter more than anything. But if that's an issue for you I suppose I understand.
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poor danielle is either lynched or killed early in every game she plays
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@Danielle
I don't like the "town wasn't really active" on day phase 1 bit because I was prodding activity, but everyone refused to stop focusing on (whomever warren replaced - that1?) who turned out to be innocent. What a waste of time. We could have pressured more people for claims if/when the Skittles lynch wasn't going to happen -- instead everyone was obsessing over the inactive player.
Agreed. Let the mod replace the inactive, and if they don't get replaced by the next phase, it is more likely they are just lurking and then should be lynched.
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@Vader
There needs to be a definition of excessive. I don't have a problem with excessive harassment if there is a proper definition of it. If yours was excessive and mine wasn't, then idk what is
Excessive had nothing to do with it lol. I literally just hurt bullish's feelings by denying wrong doing so he punished me for it.
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Though honestly I think the mod kill helped town win. My reads were wayyy off. Also supa was basing his JOAT claim off of my doc to save him, so me dying ultimately got him to admit he lied about being JOAT. I would have dropped my town read on him if he claimed he wasn't a JOAT, but he wouldn't have done that if I would have lived. My death was way beneficial to town.
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@Vader
I disagree with the modkill 100%. I am allowed on this website to call someone a fucking idiot if I believe they are being an idiot.
It was a pride issue for Bullish that's all. He doesn't want to admit that he created a ridiculous rule, so he is going to instead double down. The mod kill was really just a way to call my bluff and say "fvck you" to me lol.
Oh well. Tells me and others a lot about who bullish is as a person.
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@oromagi
Come on. Think about it and stuff, but I would like to see you play. Is there any issues with my rules?
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@Bullish
Lunatic was given a warning for excessive insults, and I stand by that.
Excessive? I was literally warned about just one lol. Also what about supadudz? I don't think he should have been threatened for mod kill either, but he said much worse than I did lmao.
First of all, it's not even censorship, I didn't even remove the comment.
You cannot remove comments without moderator abilities lol
Nobody likes an asshole in game, you will be warned and kicked if you engage in actions that turn other players off.
Who said they were "turned off"? Also you didn't mention that in any rule prior to the game starting.
Second, Lunatic is being a massive hypocrite for complaining about "censorship." In his discord server he asked people to not talk about politics so we could keep mafia players, which caused YYW to leave on at least 1 occasion. It is way more justifiable to warn players for insulting each other than to ban political talk when we're not even playing the game.
This is actually a bold faced lie. Here's a screenshot of what was actually said: https://i.imgur.com/41sqs4e.png
First of all Mikal who was the one who even brought it up. But what he said was that he was going to avoid talking about it, not that no one could talk about it.
The reason was because LikeMagic was really heart broken about the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and we were told that she didn't want to get into any talk about her prior to the game starting. When YYW joined the first thing he mentioned was RBG's death, and it resulted in a brief argument that resulted in us losing a mafia player for the whole night. I don't give a crap what people's political opinion are, but ultimately we get together every friday for mafia, and if people are going to leave mafia over political differences, I'd rather it just wait until after mafia. That said if people would rather debate politics they are allowed to, just means we will probably go play games or something else if we aren't going to get the numbers for mafia.
None of this is censorship though. No one will actually get banned from the discord because of their politics, the way you modkilled me in your game. Feel free to pull an actual qoute of our discord taking mod actions on anyone because of political reasons. In fact, ironically, most of the talk in the DDO chat currently is related to politics lol.
And he wants to talk about censorship with me? I wouldn't have modkilled him either, but Lunatic decided to throw a tantrum by threatening to break the rules out of spite (being a hypocrite again), and talking about the game in RM's thread; outside game talk is a big no-no, I would have modkilled him for that alone.
I didn't throw a tantrum. I wanted the ban because even accidentally, I will break that bull crap rule. I am not going to monitor what I say because the word "Cunt nugget" hurts your feelings.
Ironically bearman wasn't even all that offended by it lol. We moved on from it, got a lynch, and you still decided to dis-respect me in the night phase by bringing it up. So yeah, I won't be playing in anymore bullish games as long as your a "snowflake" (using your own words here, how do you like it?) about player conflict lol.
On top of that he failed to submit a night action, which made him not fulfill the activity requirement. He was modkilled for these 4 reasons combined.
Why would I submit a night action when you told me I would be getting mod killed? You never responded to me, so it was clear I was getting mod killed, there was literally no point in submitting the action at that point.
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@Speedrace
Yeah but I suppose it all worked out in the end
Yeah, you gotta admit though, skittlez had some rock solid defense in the endgame.
"Bruh it's not me"
That would have convinced just about anyone.
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@oromagi
Not wanting to play in a lunatic game?
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@Speedrace
I just want to know why the vote was swapped to me at the last second
Your lynch was pretty goofy, because dp3 it was either you or intel, and it was found intel was scum. I mean if they thought it was a bus that its one thing, but I don't think anyone mentioned a bussing theory. Your lynch was a bit random lol
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@RationalMadman
I didn't say I am a victim, I said it's ashame I can't just ping people and they say /in just like that.If I truly wasn't a 'victim' of any kind (despite me not saying I am one originally, I will now explain it), you wouldn't dare host this in competition with me based on the assumption I'm too unpopular of a host to get a game going.
I don't know what you are saying, your language doesn't seem to be English sometimes.
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@RationalMadman
Shame I'm not in the cool kid clique.
What the hell are you talking about lol. Just gotta advertise your game more. You didn't even ping anyone. I would have signed up for yours myself if not for the censorship thing. No one is isolating you, stop with the victim mentality.
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@RationalMadman
He is fighting back, he's the one who started it. He wants me banned for six months and is responsible for the pure lies that Ragnar is saying I did, such as multiaccounting and doxxing. David is the one pulling strings even now. You don't understand that my beef is with him because he's refusing to face me after getting me banned over his lies.
Your ban is over now, and seeing as your still here, you obviously aren't quitting the site. You've called him out multiple times despite his lack of response. His lack of response shows he doesn't want to engage further and dropped the issue. Bullying someone is basically kicking someone while they are down.
"a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable."
While I think the context is changed a bit on a debate wesbite, no I don't actually think you are a bully. I am just saying that if anyone meets the definition of one, it's more likely you than me based on the definition.
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@RationalMadman
So we can hold rival signups at the same time?
If your sign ups fill up faster, I will wait. Your at 4 though after a week so I didn't think it was looking too promising.
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@MisterChris
Luna didn't do anything to warrant a modkill bruh
First and only post about this: I basically asked for a modkill after getting a slap on the wrist for that post. I simply refuse to play in a game where I am censored. It was extremely silly considering the issue was already dropped and moved on from. I told Bullish I would do it again as a matter of principle in defiance of censorship, so that's why I was modkilled.
Something tells me Lunatic is gonna be really pissed...
I am not pissed in the slightest, just wish bullish was upfront about censorship being a rule before I signed up. Just wasted my time that's all.
Good luck to yall on the rest of the game.
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@Barney
In this case, multiple people who were directly involved made reports. However, yes, in other cases certain people have crossed the line seeming to abuse the report function to attempt to get moderators to harass someone they dislike at their behest while they keep their distance. I still look in at what's going on, but I've learned to take it less serious if some third party is making the reports (not to say ignoring any and all wrongdoing).
I think a certain degree of drama is good and healthy for site activity. The more people involved in discussion even if it is heated, the more people have continued interest in the website. Means more donations to the patreon, and more site developments. I think people like to over abuse the report feature here, which is fine, but I am suggesting we don't take it too seriously all the time when multiple posts come in from a controversial post, so long as it isn't overtly doxxing. Just use a certain higher level of discretion, you know?
I will not say this is a flawless solution. I experiment to try to find things which work better within this volunteer position.
Fair enough. I was a little taken aback by the response yesterday, though it seems more directed at the reporter than me, it still brought uneccary attention to an issue that I figured was already dropped. That's all I am saying here. You did delete it promptly and I will admit I've seen a couple of responses like this before, but I don't stray much from the games forum to know how much exactly it is applied.
What preferred synonym or term for stalker would you like used when it's online?
I'd dismiss stalking as a punishable rule on a debate site is more my point, unless again, it get's into the realm of doxxing.
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@Buddamoose
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@coal
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Welcome to Ultimate Weeabu Universe Mafia! This mafia game is a compilation of anime characters from my favorite animes. This is not a role madness game, though it may work out to be a bit swingy depending on how things go.
Basic Rules are no sharing outside pm's with seomeone in the game about game related content, and no copy pasting/screenshotting role pm's.
You can use PM structure argumentation at your own risk, though I am known to switch up role pm structure to counter this. Full tranparency, I usually give mafia fake claims, either roles or characters, usually not both. I will not censor players this game, if you have a problem with another player, dish it out with them however you like. In fact I encourage you to come up with creative insults to your fellow mafia player.
Game will start when bullish's concludes, or if RM's game occurs, after his game. It is currently designed for 10 players.
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@RationalMadman
How the fuck am I stalking?
My whole point is that if you take Ragnar's definition of stalking out of a real life scenario, you qualify. I dis-agree that it should be qualified as stalking, and I pointed that out.
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@Barney
I must have deleted the notification for this when I got responses in mafia games, I didn't realize you had responded.
That thread was not a case of some minor blow-up shortly followed by people self-correcting. Moderation was requested multiple times by multiple people. Heck, the worst of it outright had to be deleted. Honestly, the whole thing would have been deleted, if not for RM's repeated denials of having posted anything in there (it's apparently "invented" "pure lies" designed to slander him... which you implying his presence there with such word choice as "we," means you're part of said conspiracy).
People reporting a thread when they weren't even there, doesn't encourage discussion. It's tattle-telling to the 4th degree lol. When stuff like this happened on DDO, there were multiple people engaging in a dialogue, it wasn't just dismissed and reported as drama lol. Btw this brings up another issue, the "public shaming" of responding to every report. Responding to a report should be done in a private message with the reporter I think. For example, even though you were technically saying what I said in that mafia game wasn't bannable, the publicity of the whole thing just drew more attention to the post when I assumed it was for the most part forgotten about. I see that you've deleted it, but I know this seems to be your policy in general. Why not just PM the reporter about your decision?
Stalking from Merriam-Webster "broadly : a crime of engaging in a course of conduct directed at a person that serves no legitimate purpose and seriously alarms, annoys, or intimidates that person"While online differs a little, I believe the word still fairly applies. A user should be able to start a thread on Topic C, without some obsessed [pick your stalker synonym] barging in to harass them about in Topic A weeks or months ago, they were impolite to the [pick your stalker synonym], and in short order begin accusing them of stealing money.
Stalking mostly has real word application in context to that definition. The stakes aren't as high on a debate website, with two people sitting at a computer desk miles away from each other. I feel like they should be able to "suck up" a bit of stalking. You could term RM's behavior in this whole thread as stalking, for example by that definition. Or the party can choose do to what Dave has done, and just ignore the whole thread.
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@RationalMadman
Your last line only supports reconciling the first person with the second by mod intervention.
I have no clue what you are trying to say. That said:
I'd say your behavior in this thread in regards to dave qualifies more as bullying than anything that generally occurs in the mafia games for example. You continued to insult and tag someone who wasn't responding to you, that's like shoving someone down and continuously kicking them when they aren't fighting back.
I still don't really considering it bullying, but it's more in line with what your defintion of bullying seems to be.
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@RationalMadman
What if they use insults and/or 'hooked jabs' that bait the victim into lashing out at them etc?How would you handle them?
How would I handle them as a moderator of a game? I would let the two parties hash it out on their own, because it could be for strategy. If it gets too personal or doxxy let the mods handle it, though that rarely happens.
As the recipient in the game? I suck it up and dish it back lol. Or don't respond, though that's not usually my style.
You can't say someone's a bully if you pushed them first and they just pushed back a little harder lol.
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@RationalMadman
Google says: a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable.
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@RationalMadman
You tend to throw around the word "bully" pretty loosely.
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Agree to disagree. I will not be signing up for games where I have to censor myself.
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I'm not sure your issue is with this site then. Try to say that on facebook or in real life as a reaction to someone saying you are bad at something, the discipline will happen.What you describe as the 'right to hash it out' is an illusion because why don't the mods have the right to hash it out with you too? It's their game you're in. I don't agree with retributive-rooting in justice. It should be about solving the issue. The player who was calling you bad and making you feel hurt should also be encouraged to apologise and clean up their act. There's no reason to abuse each other unless moderators truly are neglecting things entirely and it's really a trollfest. In that case, leaving the site is often better than engaging the trolls.
Over censorship isn't the answer, freedom of speech is what attracted people to DDO. My little spat with bearman was over quicker than it started so the fact that it was brought up at all over 24 hours later makes no sense. Moderators feeling like they have to get involved in every little thing is the issue. Their only concern for rulebreaks should be stuff that confirms people to others in the game; IE copy pasting role PM's, outside PM's, etc.
I'm not defending facebook, that site is sh1t, and part of the reason I would come to DDO. You can have a discussion with someone you don't see eye to eye with and the other party doesn't have to get instantly offended and block you. The reason DDO had appeal was because of the freedom of speech.
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@RationalMadman
I don't even agree with so much as a slap on the wrist lol. It's beyond ridiculous that this site caters to crybabies so heavily. The blocking and reporting is way out of hand. If two members have an issue, let them hash it out. It's a fundamental problem with this site, and it's a bit tiring.
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@RationalMadman
Why not sign up if you actually wish me good luck?
I'm not signing up for a game where mods threaten to ban players for censorship reasons. Bullish threatened to modkill me in his game because I called someone a "cvnt nugget" after they said I was horrible at mafia. This is pretty mild compared to some of the stuff I've said in other games, and I'd rather just know what mods rules are involving censorship before I sign up for games from now on. I find it pretty condescending to play mod like that as a mafia moderator. Also it was one quip, and we moved on from it. I fundamentally have a problem with that.
I just want to know what I am signing up for in future games.
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@RationalMadman
I don't even understand the question
Like if two members are arguing and its gets slightly heated are you gonna threaten to mod kill one or the other
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@RationalMadman
I censor everything
Whelp, good luck then I guess lol
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@RationalMadman
What are your rules as far as censorship goes, for modding?
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Here's hoping it is warren and I don't have to waste next phase tunneling oro or pie lol.
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@oromagi
vote warren, or we are going to no lynch again today and not have any POE to show for it.
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Unofficial Vote Count
oro (1/ 6) - Supa
Intel (1/6) - oro,
Lunatic (1/6) - Speed,
warren (4/6) - bearman, pie, lunatic, misterchris
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The only way we are getting a lynch in the dreamer results then is by lynching warren. So I guess unvote, vtl warren.
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@BearMan
Fifty-fifty. Lynch warren, there's no way Pie will vote himself.
Why warren over pie
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