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@ILikePie5
Burden of proof is on you to prove a positive: That Two Town JOATs exist. Otherwise they don’t exist.
Your argument basically amounts to "No u".
You made a claim. Substantiate said claim.
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@Speedrace
Here's one I did remember, very similar to this one actually. investigative JOAT roles were split between viperking and myself.
There are others too, I don't remember.
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@oromagi
The fact that you are feeling persecuted is likely a manifestation of your scum guilt. I scum read you all last game because you were scum all last game. I did not scum read once in the game before that although you were quickly killed off. As I said in the last game, I find you hard to read so when you refuse to play as town and refuse to acknowledge how hard your claim is to accept, you naturally drop in the polls. That's not just my reads, that's everybody.
If you want my claim you know how to get it. Pressure pie with me. put the bastard at l-1, then if he claims you get mine as well. Your list says he is higher on the scum list so why not?
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@Speedrace
You have the BoP to prove that those games exist lol
YOU made the claim that no two JOAT's ever existed. That's your BOP pal.
You would never say this as town lol
Well I am town so, you have mis-calculated something.
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@ILikePie5
There has been games with multiple JOAT's before, and it actually makes perfect sense that the power roles were divided between two individuals and the rest of the role mad players are weak versions of some other role or anti town utility. Danielles flip, and skittlez claim demonstrate thisProve it.
I could if I felt like digging through a million games, but I don't need to prove myself to scum. If you want to disprove me, click through every end game in the archives of DDO to prove it how about that? It's your guy's claim that two JOAT's cannot exist in the same game, your BOP.
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@Speedrace
Links?
I've played in hundreds of games, I don't remember which games I've seen them but I know I have. Link to where it's written by the mod that there can't be two?
Except the fact that there are unclaimed PRs but ok
Impossible. Me and supa are the power roles, or anyone that claims one from this point on is probably lying. Pie hinting at one is enough already for me to think he is scum.
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@Vader
We wait on what results come in from the night. I still have my Watcher role, and I have until NP3 to live. I can get another investigative role if a Doc, JK, or BP comes in NP3. We will have much more clarity on what goes on.
Do you need to be protected tonight or the following night?
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@Speedrace
I scumread you first but ok. You've literally been accusing Oro of wagoning ME this whole time xD
It doesn't matter, your reasons are still pathetic and devoid of logic.
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@ILikePie5
Where tf have you seen two JOATs where one isn’t scum and one is. It’s unprecedented and frankly a stupid move by Bullish.
There has been games with multiple JOAT's before, and it actually makes perfect sense that the power roles were divided between two individuals and the rest of the role mad players are weak versions of some other role or anti town utility. Danielles flip, and skittlez claim demonstrate this
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@ILikePie5
Then you can continue to live in your fantasy world as much as you need to - 2 Town JOATs with “parallel” roles, whatever the fuck that means
Lol okay scum. Let the record show I have been voting you since the beginning of the phase whenever you eventually get revealed.
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@BearMan
Can someone brief me on what happened? Y'all are night owls or something
- Intelligence claimed mimic, who copied skittlez and is now a roleblocker.
- Supa claimed to be a suicidal JOAT with a watcher and tracker ability
- I claimed JOAT, currently keeping abilities hidden
- Pie refuses to claim
In a nutshell, supa has dreamer results that one of oro, pie and warren are scum.
Oro wants to lynch intelligence but also scum reads me for some dumb reason, and speed is wagoning him. Pie thinking he has a chance to not be lynched, is taking advantage of that quickly forming wagon as well and bandwagoning it.
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@oromagi
Intel is bottom read and because I suspect some recruitment (TP Cult leader, perhaps) I think Intel is the priority. I can't tell if Luna is scum or not but any player that unapologetically claims second JOAT without explanation, role claim, or justification should expect to be lynched and Luna fervent defense is deeply anti-town. Which makes me think Luna is scum trying to get lynched.
Listen Oromagi, if you scum read me in every game, stastically your going to be right some of the time, but odds are much more likely that I am going to be town. I can't remember a time where you've ever town read me so I am taking this with a grain of salt. But it is interesting that you didn't mention a scum read on me until after I claimed. If you only read people on how you percieve game mechanics you will be wrong most of the time. You are like Mikal, in that you love to overanalyze things that go absolutely nowhere.
Why can't there be two JOAT's in this game? Why are you saying that is impossible? JOAT isn't a direct counter claim like cop watch or doc, because it usually encompasses multiple abilities. I think town's power roles were split up between me and supa. Notice danielle's wasn't really a power role. The remaining roles are probably weak version of themselves.
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@Speedrace
All I want in life is an Intel justification and a Lunatic and Pie claim
Help me pressure pie and your wish will be granted on two counts. My claim comes after pie period. If pie doesn't claim I don't either.
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@Speedrace
I think you're scum specifically because you're not claiming
I claimed that I am a JOAT. You dont need to know my abilities. You either believe me or you don't, my claim isn't gonna make that difference. The reason I am not claiming is because I expect one of my abilities might counter claim pie and that is why he won't claim. I didn't even have to claim there was no pressure or scum read on me prior to claiming. I literally only did because supa also claimes JOAT and I don't want it coming back later that I didn't CC.
Because you're being scummier. And if he can't then we'll just lynch him next DP
You scum read him esrlier but now your letting him off the hook because you wanna be a stubborn mule. Awesome.
And that you're withholding your claim, the only thing that would convince me that you + Supa are telling the truth, and the fact that you've pulled gambits before, and the fact that you say you have no tangible justification going against what the mod said. Almost like what you just said is a fallacy...
There's no good reason to doubt me or supa. Also you are willfully ignoring results.
And this one doesn't? You claim results like Warren and Press did in my game and win because of them
More evidence that me claiming my abilities is pointless since you won't believe any results from me anyway.
But for the reasons stated above, I have good reason to suspect you
The only reason is you have a feeling I am pulling some gambit. Thats a horrible reason. By your logic I can just never be town with a power role and if I ever claim to be one you will just not believe me. Whats even sillier about that is I didn't evek gambit in the last game I was scum. I was super patient and coservative and chose the easiest mislynches and calculated all my kills. You modded that game and saw me play and now you are going with "he's Yolo gambitting".
Face it, you've already made up your mind not to believe me. This is an ego thing now. So if you want to lead a mislynch because of a bruised ego go right ahead.
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@Speedrace
Ok, have fun being dead
Have fun losing the game because of your pride.
Question: How does me claiming my abilities help you determine anything? It's not gonna suddenly make my justification make more sense. If you think my role not having a sensible justification means I am scum, you are going to try and lynch me regardless.
Because he can confirm himself, you can't lol
Who said I can't confirm myself? Also you are just taking his word that he can. Why won't you take mine that I can as well? Of course it relies on me not being killed or blocked and sucessfully targeting someone.
Gambler's fallacy
Your entire argument that I am scum is based on WIFOM that I am pulling a gambit with supa lol. Don't talk to me about fallacies.
Yes, you've done crazier things lol
Any gambit I've pulled as scum at least makes sense though lol.
Of course you are, but you like to gambit. You've literally told me that
You have no reason to think this is a gambit, you are just writing it off as one for no reason. If you are town and you suspect me because I've "pulled gambits before" then you can literally spin that argument in any game I play in. Statistcally I am going to be town too, you can't write that off.
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Nah speed. I'm not claiming for any reason if pie doesn't claim first. If you think you can lead a mislynch on me go ahead.
You went from being okay with pressuring pie to complete 180 in no time at all. Town paranoia will be the death of us. You really think I got scum twice in a row? You really think I would CC a JOAT and purposefully give a weak justification? You dont think I'm capable of fake claimimg as scum? You literally jave no reason to pressure me.
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So my vote is on scum. Town seems kind of retarded this game, so if you guys aren't lynching pie or at the very laest pressing for his claim, there's nothing much more I can do.
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@oromagi
->@oromagiWhose pissed? Not me.-->@SpeedraceI mean a full role claimNO. FVCK that. You are retarded ..... Fvck that fvcking noise.
I thought it was hilarious that I was being asked for a claim before pie lol.
I am the cloud. There;s not really a tangible link from my character to my role, or at least that makes sense to me. Advantages of the cloud include flexibility and easy load balancingLet's remember Bullish said:roles ARE related to characters, and there IS a theme split.....I don't give fake claims to the mafia directly, however they may receive hints and help with fake claims,You are claiming sufficient INFORMATIONAL roles to make a COP unnecessary that is related to... flexibility?
Take it up with bullish, not me. I said there wasn't a tangible link, if bullish is claiming all roles have tangible links, you can just cry about it in the endgame when you lose the game because you attached onto something so dumb.
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@ILikePie5
You didn't say anything until speed said his read. Seems oppertunistic. you were also on that dreamer list if I recall... HMMMNice OMGUS
Nice evasion of a claim all day phase.
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@Vader
I have more of a sus on Pie than you, otherwise I'd be voting you
If you actually turn on me here I have officially given up hope that town has a chance to win here lol. Because that is ridiculous
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@oromagi
Whose pissed? Not me. Something about clouds lol thats rich. Cute tactic pretending like you didn't read my claim.
Not saying sh1t about my role til pie claims. I had no reason to claim JOAT and not vote supa. Obviously our roles coincide otherwise I wouldn't have done any of this
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You didn't mention a scum read on me til speed got paranoid. If you did scum read me you had ample oppertunity to say so before it became convienent
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@oromagi
OMGUSucking won't help your case. IF you are TOWN you need to act like TOWN. At MYLO there are no unrevealable or indispensible ROLES.
It's not omgusing, you jumped at the earliest oppertunity to bandwagon. I guess you are okay with any mislynch at this point huh?
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@MisterChris
*sigh* In that case, I guess I would like Lunatic to full claim as well. I'm really torn, because on one hand, we have 3 potential scum candidates (Oromagi among them, I might add), but Oro does make a good point... 2 JOAT claims is weird, I want more convincing. If Lunatic can provide a decent full claim then we can assess our situation better.
The only way i'm claiming the abilities is if pie full claims first.
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@oromagi
The fact that 2 JOATs jump out together and say they are perfectly paired but they won't tell us why is Alice in Wonderland scummy.
You didn't say anything until speed said his read. Seems oppertunistic. you were also on that dreamer list if I recall... HMMM
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@MisterChris
Why are we even discussing mass claim? We've literally been given a list of 3 people who are potential scum with 1 GUARANTEED to be scum, and we're not pressuring/voting those people? WTF?
Who said anything about a mass claim? Just pressuring pie for a claim since hes implicated by the results and warrens already claimed.
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@oromagi
hardly a slam dunk. esp. considering that Warren is claiming VANILLA and out
im not saying its a slam dunk, need claims to deduce/
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@oromagi
rage is a scum tell
Not rage, I think it's hilarious that I am expected to claim more
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@oromagi
what is the result on pie?
Dreamer results on him warren and you...
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@Speedrace
I mean a full role claim
NO. FVCK that. You are retarded if you think I will claim further. I am a power role and pie has results on him and hasn't even claimed. You can't get more info from me when pie refuses to claim. Fvck that fvcking noise.
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@Speedrace
I need both of you to restate your role justifications and to be as specific as possible without being modkilled
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@oromagi
@Speedrace
Pie needs more pressure, since he won't claim. Might need to put him at l-1.
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@ILikePie5
So complements. How do you complement an Oracle and a Watcher?
I'm not going to go into details and give away what abilities I have. But with the abilities he has hos role fits as a perfect puzzle. I doubt there are any other investigative power roles. I am half expecting you to claim one tbh because I'm pretty sure mafoa were given cop as a fake claim lol
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. If they do try to roleblock me then we can catch them.Assume we no lynch here. DP3 it’s 6-3. If I’m roleblocked then we can go for Intel. If he’s town then Skitlez is also town and in that scenario you lynch me cause I’m lying and 3 RBs existing is very minimal
It doesn't matter because your scum and caught just trying to live an extra day phase. You are on a result. You need to full claim.
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@ILikePie5
In what way are they parallel? It makes no sense. Are you saying you have some of the same utilities as he does?
No, opposites.
Who’s going to Roleblock me? Intel can’t and neither can Skitlez. Unless you’re saying there’s also a scum RB making there be 3 total RBs in the game. I’ll do the math in a second and optimize the course of action that helps us.
I mean prior to supa outting you were operating under the believe he or skittlez was scum, so if you that is true then why wouldn't they roleblock one of the three of us?
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@ILikePie5
How can you say you are confirmable tomorrow beyond a shadow of a doubt? Doesn't just saying that make you a roleblock or night kill target? If you know you can prove yourself, it's likely you are scum and know your action won't be interfered with.
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@ILikePie5
What does that even mean?
What I said...
Supa’s first post was #22 where he specifically said he doesn’t see me as scum. Why did he say that if he knew I was on his results? The whole argument over vanillas hadn’t even happened yet.
I'll let supa answer that. He probably should have, but it is supa were talking about. Also he pushed warren relatively early, by post 60, so likely he was leaning it was warren.
Regardless, you should just claim. If you are a town power role, mafia still have to juggle the kill between me you and supa. One of the three of us is likely to get protection/results off. If you have a convincing enough role I may be able to buy that supa is the scum here.
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@ILikePie5
Well that’s pretty dumb
His role parallels my abilities, so it makes a lot of sense actually.
Yes I think Supa is scum. What is his motive for sitting on his result for more than a day?
You and warren have already been the subject of todays lynch interests, if I thought one or the other of you were likely to be lynched, I wouldn't out the result either.
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@MisterChris
No need to give gritty details about your powers... But I would at least like a character claim.
I am the cloud. There;s not really a tangible link from my character to my role, or at least that makes sense to me. Advantages of the cloud include flexibility and easy load balancing, therefor I am the JOAT with the following abilites (redacted)
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@ILikePie5
Are we just going to ignore that there are 2 JOATs? This is Speed’s game all over again.
Yes.
Do you think supa is scum and lying or is it me? If neither then you should be making a case on oro or warren right about now, as the dreamer results implicate you.
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@ILikePie5
Huh? If I was bussing him why would it matter how fast the occurred?
It doesn't really matter, supas result basically confirms that my pie/warren theory is wrong I think. But the logic was: You weren't expecting him to be lynched, because you knew that bullishes would vidicate him.
I never said they were town in my eyes. You’re FOSing me for adjusting my view after Bullish’s response and the link to Meme’s Mafia where he has more than one vanilla?Let me ask you this. At this moment are both me and Warren scum, am I the only scum, or is Warren the only scum?
Supas result suggests that one or the other is scum, but a minute ago it was both you and warren in my opinion.
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Supa is like town confirmed to me based on his claim. And if we are going off the dreamer results, I think we should lynch pie or warren because oro seems pretty pro town.
Pie needs to claim immediately.
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@Vader
I am also a JOAT. I don't consider this a CC however, because my JOAT complement his as opposites. I am only claiming because it will look bad if I don't. I have a result that is not particularly useful for determining anything.
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@oromagi
No you're probably right. Intel is claiming he did the visiting and no watch/tracks claims are out there so he's more likely to be telling the truth there. Also, if skitz was telling the truth about RB DP1, he would be the most appetizing candidate for recruitmentUNVOTEVTL Intel
What about the np0 stuff? you think the game started with just one 2x recruiter or something?
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@ILikePie5
Do you need me to say unequivocally that it’s possible both are town?
Too late for that, you needed to acknowledge that before you decided to exclude it from the option that makes it look like you are vying for 2 mislynches.
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