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@WaterPhoenix
when people hear "utah" they immediately think about all the mormons there and don't realize how much beautiful scenery there is. i'm miller cause of people "sleeping" on me.
Yeah that's literally the justification I expected.
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@RationalMadman
I suppose in that way I'm a hypocrite yes. In fact, I do believe the fact I had to do that rather than be able to appeal to the mods themselves is definitely a sign that the system of justice here is broken.I know that I'm an asshole in your eyes even though you say I'm not somehow at other times, however please read Ragnar's post here regarding the evidence if my harassment. Two of the examples are so wrong and not remotely targeted harassment. One was me saying your clique is braiding hair and getting manicures, I was tokd this is either lying or doxxing... Really read his post. I accept it though, you're right. I should not speak of Hamburgler any more while he's not here to defend himself. I am sorry genuinely to you, because you're actually an okay guy unlike most of your clique.
If you want my honest opinion about your ban, I don't agree with it at face value, but then I also don't know all the details and don't really care to look into them, because pointing them out in the past has proven useless. I've mentioned issues with bannings on the website before and was mostly ignored, so I've become detached with the website outside of the games forum for the occasional mafia game. I don't blame the mods, as they are just dealing with a really strict code that was made before them. I prefer a more relax style of moderation that allows for freedom of speech.
In regards to the comment of my clique, I also think you are generalizing all of them because of the actions of one. Mikal was the one who banned you from the discord, the majority of people expressed they didn't even care if you participated or not. Only a few actually said they wouldn't play if you were there. That said, most of them are just there to play mafia anyway, and it seems you don't even get enjoyment from mafia. So if the ban made you dis-like everyone who participated in that, I think you are un-fairly grouping them all into that, when it was really just Mike who went out of the way to ban you.
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Mikal asked me to post this for him since he is banned, and can't speak for himself:
" the only reason I'm typing this is because I feel it's fair to bluesteel. You can think whatever you want of me and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But accusing him of what you are saying is assinine. Not only did he start that, he lended me money on top of that to help me get out that situation and move. Attacking his character is not fair because he's not even here to defend himself.
In retrospect I never made good choices in DDO. I was going through a bad time. Being homeless was in fact one. Anyone who knows me, knows this is true. I openly embrace those days because of what it did for me and taught me.
Also I trolled the presidency because the position was useless. It was definitely not the correct choice, but younger days and a bad mental state can make you do things that aren't helpful
To say that I didn't care about people on that site is objectively wrong, along with saying I didn't use their help to better myself. Anyone that is close to me, knows that story and what I had to deal with it.
Ironically I also didn't asked for you to get banned. I asked for my own ban so I didn't have to deal with drama. I actually just asked Ragnar to not ban you, he can confirm that. I know you find value in this site and hopefully you can use it to help you, because it actually really did change my life and if you would stop attacking people blindly you would be surprised at the friends you make. I've been friends with these guys for 7 years and still talk to them every night.
Whatever you are looking for I hope you find, mainly responded to this to clarify what was said because it wasn't fair to bluesteel when not only did he not get any more from that, he put more money on top of it to help me get in a good spot. A very large amount. I lost track of him when I moved because I didn't have internet or a phone for months but he doesn't deserve that attack. He's one of the best people I've ever met. "
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@oromagi
Do u think MILLER is too underpowered for a bastard game?
Without knowing the setup, I don't know. Also I don't think this is bastard in role set up, warren quite clearly meant it was bastard due to his own participation in it.
This game will be bastard. I'm making this very clear so nobody can be upset about it. I, as the host, will participate in the thread. Say a cop claims results. I might interject "well that assumes you're a sane cop." Or if someone votes for someone else, I may say "Oh, nice bus!" even if they aren't mafia partners. Some of the stuff I say will be true, some will be lies. Up to you to decide if I'm telling the truth or if you even bother reading what I say. This game will have some sort of theme but it'll be something really simple like food or animals or something.
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@RationalMadman
No I didn't. I didn't remotely dox him to stand up to him. I know what you may think you are referring to but if you want to kick me down at my lowest then it hardly proves I'm the bad guy.
This is really your lowest? a 2 month ban from a mostly dead website?
Also this is another example of that habit I mentioned of you playing victim right after being the aggressor. I'm commenting here because you are quite aggressively calling Mikal out when he's not even here to defend himself. And now I am kicking you at your lowest. You spoke first, and I just poked a bit of fun at the hypocrisy, that is all.
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@WaterPhoenix
i'm utah and i win with town too.
Though I know warren took a trip through Utah, I thought he enjoyed it, but I can see why it might be miller in context of being usually mis-read to be a bad place because of all the mormons. Did you get a justification?
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@RationalMadman
How can I know that and how can you say that without doxxing him?
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If you are allowed to use his DDO username yet I'm accused of Doxxing for referring to his DDO activity under the username, how is that just/fair?
I think you are purposefully mis-interpreting the reason for your ban, but either way you should talk to the mod about it, not me. I just wanted to point out of a few of your hypocrisy's. In that post that was deleted did you not justify doxing two people because you thought they were standing up to them? It's really a shame that post was deleted, because it was the only one so far where you actually admitted to doxing, and everywhere else you denied it. I should have screenshot it haha.
So after he ditched it and trolled, he stayed in touch? Why did he ditch it?
People come and go, it's hardly ditching. He was on the site pretty regularly in DDO's last months too.
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@Imabench
Tell him I said hi!
Done. He says Hi and he misses you and you should join us one of these fridays in the discord
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@RationalMadman
I admit it, I lack proof. I think if I am wrong it still isn't a sign of the slightest good character to ditch a place that truly saved someone from homelessness.
Mikal is more in touch with the people from that website, than practically anyone. Thus, the every night friday hangouts.
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@ILikePie5
Policy on millers folks let’s do it
When is the last time you've seen a fake miller claim, besides the one where I got CC'ed in your Narcos mafia? Genuinely asking because I've missed like 3 games on here since then. Maybe fake claiming miller suddenly became an actual scum tactic in every single game since I've left, but it's generally so rare it's not even worth considering. I did it and failed lol.
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Aww too bad that big block post was deleted, I had a real good curb your enthusiasm meme for him claiming he never doxxed people while literally admitting it in that post to "stand up to bullies". Oh well.
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Usually I give an angry remark then block people. People even mocked me for my repeated habit of ceasing to engage with trolls and just blocking them.
RM blocking and reporting someone over a dis-agreement of an anime debate.
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As much as I love warren, I'll probably be mostly ignoring him this game. I realize some of what he says might be true but I don't wanna get caught up in overanalyzing the stuff that isn't
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btw I'll be super active tomorrow evening at work, I need to catch up on some major sleep though so I probably wont be active tonight
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My gut is telling me you and cookie might be town... jk basing that off nothing like you haha
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Current Mafia
None- Hurry the F up warren!
Signups
warren42 - Pick Your Poison
In the Hopper
Mharman - Satire Mafia
PressF4Respect - JARGOM 2.0
SupaDudz- Naruto
ILikePie5 - U.S Senators, Civil War Generals, Taco Bell
Crocodile - Jojo Mafia
Speedrace - Arrowverse
Bullish
RM- Pirates of the carribean
Lunatic
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, drafterman, danielle
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1. Supadudz (Siege)
2. Discipulus_Didicit (Bastard)
3. Bearman (Bastard)
4. oromagi (Bastard)
5. iLikePie5 (No Vote)
6. Speedrace (Siege)
7. PressF4Respect (Bastard)
8. Ragnar (Bastard... so bastard that he edited this post to put himself on the list)
9. Lunatic (bastard)
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10. littlecookie (siege)
11. crocodile
12. waterphoenix
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@Bullish
Was still an even number of players, so U could have saved us an additional mislynch by doing nothing.
With how close croc was to being lynched, he would have probably been at risk of being mislynched the whole game you think? I didn't think it hurt town too much especially since he was a vanilla and there was already a no lynch but yeah could have potentially bit town if you didn't get your cop result.
Mafia had rolecopped you night phase one, and could have blocked or killed you np2 but they were betting on you investigating cookie for free confirmation. It was risky for sure, but you were clever in foreseeing that. Nice job.
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@warren42
Warren your night actions were very good btw, you just got really unlucky with the 1x ninja np1. And np2 they were wiffle waffling on killing press and actually almost submitted that as there kill but changed last minute. So you almost caught scum on that one. Bullish was the obvious target np3. Very good use of the role overall.
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@Bullish
I wasn’t gonna investigate cookie when I was sussing him the whole DP lmao. Investigating cookie would have been asking to get lawyered. Might as well investigate a miller at that point.
That was smart, because they did actually lawyer cookie that night lol
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“I once saw a spindly man carrying a stone larger than his head upon his back. He stumbled beneath the weight, shirtless under the sun, wearing only a loincloth. He tottered down a busy thoroughfare. People made way for him. Not because they sympathized with him, but because they feared the momentum of his steps. You dare not impede one such as this. The monarch is like this man, stumbling along, the weight of a kingdom on his shoulders. Many give way before him, but so few are willing to step in and help carry the stone. They do not wish to attach themselves to the work, lest they condemn themselves to a life full of extra burdens. I left my carriage that day and took up the stone, lifting it for the man. I believe my guards were embarrassed. One can ignore a poor shirtless wretch doing such labor, but none ignore a king sharing the load. Perhaps we should switch places more often. If a king is seen to assume the burden of the poorest of men, perhaps there will be those who will help him with his own load, so invisible, yet so daunting.”
Littlecookie08- 2/3- Ragnar, water
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
@warren42
@skittlez09
Day phase 4 bros! less goo!
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Dead players:
Supadudz- Navani Kholin- Messenger - Town (Lynched DP1)
DD- Renarin Kholin- Doctor - Town (Killed NP1)
Speedrace- Dalinar Kholin - Vigilante- Town (Killed NP2)
Crocodile- Rock- Vanilla- Town (Killed NP2)
WaterPhoenix- You are Szeth-son-son-Vallano, AKA “truthless of Shinovar”, AKA “The Assasin in white”. Szeth is one of the most feared individuals in Roshar, being responsible for the killing of multiple Monarchs across Roshar at the command of King Taravangian. You hold one of the ten herald’s (Jezrien) honor blades, and are thus granted the abilities of a knight radiant wind-runner. You are the JOAT and have the following 1x abilities at your disposal. 1x Lawyer, 1x Frame, 1x Janitor, and 1x Ninja. You win with the mafia. (Lynched DP3)
Bullish- You are Shallan Davar, A knight radiant of the Lightweavers. After living a sheltered, abusive childhood, you are finally free and on your own. After a long journey in which you basically went from rags to riches and ended up becoming ward to the powerful Jasnah Kholin, you have since discovered the ability to lightweave and summon your spren ‘Pattern’ into a shardblade. In addition, you can disguise yourself as almost anything. You commonly use your alter-ego “Veil” to uncover the secrets of Urithiru and solve murders. You are the Cop, and can investigate a person in the night to see if they are guilty or innocent. You are not flavored, though other roles may exist that could tamper with your results. You win with the town. (Killed NP3)
Living Players:
1. iLikePie5
2. Ragnar (PressF4respect)
3. Warren42
4. Littlecookie08
With 4 players alive, it takes 3 votes to secure a lynch.
Day phase 4 ends in 72 hours 8/8/20 at 1pm CST.
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Official Vote Count:
Waterphoenix- 4 /4 - Bullish, iLikePie5, warren42, ragnar
Night actions due in 48 hours.
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Water has been lynched! He was guilty! Submit night actions!
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@Bullish
Day phase 3 is being extended an extra day to allow ragnar to catch up. It now ends on 8/6/20 at 10AM CST.
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May regret it based on current activity levels on this site, but w/e. /in
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"Punish them..." Dalinar said, the Thrill rising again. Pain. Anger. Humiliation. He pressed his hands against the map table to steady himself. "The Soulcaster that my brother sent. She can make two things?"
"Grain and oil," Teleb said.
"Good. Set her to work."
"More food supplies?"
"No, oil. As much as we have gemstones for. Oh, and someone take my wife to her tent so she may recover from her unwarranted grief. Everyone else, gather round. In the morning we make Rathalas an example. I promised Tanalan that his widows would weep for what I did here, but that is too merciful for what they've done to me. I intend to so thoroughly ruin this place that for ten generations, nobody will dare build here for fear of the spirits who will haunt it. We will make a pyre of this city, and there shall be no weeping for its passing, for none will remain to weep."
Waterphoenix- 2 /4 - Bullish, iLikePie5
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“In the end, I must proclaim that no good can be achieved of false means. For the substance of our existence is not in the achievement, but in the method.”
Waterphoenix- 3 /4 - Bullish, iLikePie5, Ragnar
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Ragnar is replacing PressF4respect!
Living Players:
1. iLikePie5
2. Ragnar (PressF4respect)
3. Warren42
4. Bullish
5. Littlecookie08
6. WaterPhoenix
With 6 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Day phase 3 is being extended an extra day to allow ragnar to catch up. It now ends on 8/6/20 at 10AM CST.
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@Bullish
I asked Ragnar if he can replace. Didn't realize press hadn't been on for 3 days.
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@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
@PressF4Respect
@skittlez09
bump
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“I want you to go back into the barrack and tell the men to come out after the storm. Tell them to look up at me tied here. Tell them I’ll open my eyes and look back at them, and they’ll know that I survived.”
Waterphoenix- 2 /4 - Bullish, iLikePie5
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“Can you feel it? Something just changed. I believe that’s the sound the world makes when it pisses itself.”
Waterphoenix- 1 /4 - Bullish
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@RationalMadman
You are not involved, you're just inserting yourself. You are blinded by some bs sense of loyalty to someone who didn't do shit for DDO and used you all. If I'd been given that amount of money I'd have made DDO severely proud of me forever.
There's more to a person than petty feuds of the past. I've had my bouts with Mikal on DDO, but I don't have a "bs sense of loyalty" to him for any other reason than he is a friend who I enjoy hanging out with. I don't always agree with him on everything, but neither do I agree with much with YYW. Yet I can talk normally with YYW on facebook or in a hangout setting. Same with you. The guy you are acting like right now, isn't the real you either, because I've seen the more vulnerable/genuine side of you. Mike may be the instigator here, but people are more complicated than old beefs and squabbles, and they don't define a person.
You are a pretty aggressive person in general; I don't mind that. Plenty of people have dickish behaviors myself included, it's part of what makes the website fun. I doubt you could care less for my criticism, but the only thing that baffles me about you is how often you say things to Mikal like you did above, and in the next sentence claim to be the victim of bullying. Aggressive opinions are one thing, but to act like your getting picked on after saying something like that; Logically just doesn't compute for me.
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You aren't special, you aren't popular, you're nothing here. This is not DDO and I am not powerless here.
Who wants to bet that RM is gonna call us all bullies by the end of this conversation?
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Beg for more money just to shit on the site that got you out of feigned poverty, fuckboy.
He "sh1t" on Dart, not DDO, the community above which you mentioned that he did a gofundme for. He gave praise to DDO and it's sense of community. If anything you proved his point, your insult is devoid of logic.
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@Mikal
His reply to you also showcases why it is a good idea. You make a comment and his first reaction is to say you have a small brain. I think everyone who plays with us is over drama related stuff and based on his prio actions on DDO and his current response to you I feel entirely justified. That is already additive to multiple people expressing an interest not to engage with him.
I actually think he means well in most situations. He seems like a smart guy, but he doesn't understand social situations very well and in the past live hangouts with him tend to get awkward. I again don't mind him playing still, unless it outwardly effected getting more numbers for mafia games, in which case I favor the action that supports the greater good lol.
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@RationalMadman
Glad to see you've never changed your mind on anything. Also glad to see that your brain can't comprehend criticising something and using it anyway.
So its not worth using when you sh1t on someones idea to increase site activity, but it is suddenly worth using when you wanna join a group you equivilate to teenage girls?
I don't care but your ban isn't based on me saying that.
Mikal banned you for the reasons stated before. I personally don't care if you joined or not but I wasn't gonna fight for him to unban you either. To be fair you wouldn't have liked it anyway. We tend to get pretty aggressive in the mafia games. Most people realize its in good fun, and we clean slate it going into the next game. But from what I have seen of you on the forums here I can easily see you getting too offended and feeling like you are being bullied or something. So you wouldn't have liked it anyway.
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@Bullish
@ILikePie5
@warren42
@PressF4Respect
@skittlez09
Day phase 3!
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