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@oromagi
I'm sorry to hear about your mom oro...
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@sui_generis
there really was very very little chance of me changing my read on coal.maybe Dani will reveal she had a huge thesis planned and I fucked myself, but
Reads didn't even need to come into play at MYLO. The second you got voted by him, math should tell you with 2 scum left you would be quick hammered, and if not then he has to be the other scum.
The fact that no one used the normal MYLO logic here was sad...
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@coal
Frankly, you would have lost as soon as Danielle voted for Sui, because the result would have been the same. I gave serious thought to keeping you in the game because literally no one was buying your "case" againt me.
It would take them reading it too buy it. But that's too much actual work and people are lazy lol. I am liking mafia scum much better atm, people actually put in effort over there from what I am seeing.
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@coal
TUF needs to BTFO of Oro because that's just mean. The idea is to play so that people want to continue to play with you, town or scum. And acting like a jackass and blaming everyone else when you never had it right in the first place... it's just not a good look. There is exactly zero chance you would have led the town to victory.
You haven't played with oro much lately have you? He has a reputation for inactivity; just posting enough to not get replaced but not enough to ever be helpful. I suggest making him a policy lynch going forward.
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@coal
Back off of Oro. He just put his mother in hospice and his play was fine.
Sounds like it was a day long endeavor, he was out much longer than that. He could have opted for replacement at the very least.
I was the most pro-town player in the game, and no one read your "case".
I don't get why you were town read so well, but obviously you made the right move killing me.
I night killed you because you broke the rules by posting game relevant content outside of the game in a Google Doc and Lucky wouldn't do it. I suppose Lucky made the right decision, because the win is better this way.
That's fucking ridiculous people post cases from google docs all the time. I invited you to screenshot it too to use against me if I edited it.
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It should have been obvious that Coal was scum when I got night killed; He's literally the only one who would gain from my death. If anyone else was scum I was better as a mislynch target in the endgame. The other give away was that it was LYLO and coal instantly voted for sui, so with two mafia left, there was guaranteed scum in sui or coal else mafia could quick hammer.
Sui it blows my mind you voted for danielle.
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I am policy lynching Oro from now on when he fucking flakes on a game. He legit posts just enough to not get replaced, and never contributes. I am surprised mods even let him play when he does that sh1t lol
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@sui_generis
VTL Dani
Dawg you are so lazy. Never play forum mafia again if you don't plan to put in a shred of fvcking effort.
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@PressF4Respect
DART just ain't the same without ya
I appreciate ya saying so. I would play more if the activity was better
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@coal
Unfortunately your threat to lynch me is poorly substantiated. You had nothing in DP1, and you have nothing now. If we are wrong about Zaradi, what is your case gonna be based solely on that? Ignoring you were also wrong on him but in a worse way since you defended him the whole day phase and still went through with it?
I on the other hand have compiled loads of behavioral evidence that suggests your actions are scum motivated. I am not afraid of being mis-lynched either, and will not back out of the game the way zaradi did. I'll fight it tooth and nail, assuming anyone buys anything you have to say to begin with. It will really come down to oro and sui. If they wanna be brick walls and sheep next day phase or substantiate their own opinions. We shall see.
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@coal
You are deliberatley misreading what I wrote and it is transparent based on what the very quote you linked. I town read him then and my town read on him didn't change until he replaced out. Then, it changed. But now, it sure as fuck looks like you think he is going to flip town and are trying to pivot against me.
If you are willing to defend someone then you think they are town, else why would you do it? The problem is, that it is already extremely obvious that you were supporting the idea that zaradi was town even before you voted. Your willingness to actually lynch him makes no sense in conjunction to anything you've said about him. It's either distancing or opportunistic, and doesn't look good no matter how you look at it.
I suppose that's because perhaps I've been on you in the past and you know I'm coming after you if he flips town?
Again, meaningless threat. You've advocated my mis-lynch already and were already in the position of wanting to lynch me today before everything came out about zaradi.
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Btw it is pretty convenient Coal posts again immediately after warren hammers. I have the feeling he was just waiting around to bring up final statements of "is zaradi is town TUF is scum" As if I was the only one on the lynch lol. I didn't even lead this lynch lol. And if we were wrong, we were wrong for the right reasons, because what zaradi did was very anti-town. Coal has the worst reason for voting Zaradi/speed than literally anyone on the wagon, since he still actually town-read him.
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@coal
That plus you already admitted you thought he was town when you voted him.That is a fucking lie. I said that I don't see a way to read Zaradi's behavior other than as scum since it seems like he was caught.
Let me qoute you: If Zaradi hadn't replaced out, I would probably have continued to defend him because I did not then and do not now see how an informed player does what he did.
If you would still defend his actions you still think he is town... You were defending him but also making it look like you were willing to lynch him prior to this as well. You have always opted to settle for going with the flow even if it's against your town read. You did the same thing to me the second I looked like a convienent mislynch oppertunity in DP1.
I am, however, now less sure in light of what you have done while he was at L-1 to make yourself look super-pro town just like you did right after Ragnar "claimed" when he was at L-1 ... presumably because you knew where that was going.
Again, you act like the case on Ragnar was way more rock solid than it actually was. I never pretended it was rock solid evidence he was scum, but tenatively agreed it was the best option at that time. When a power role claims in an open set up you unvote. The fact that you did not immediately do that and continued to role fish was inherently scummy.
If Zaradi flips town I am VTLing you for death tomorrow. Realize that.
This is a meaningless threat, you were always willing to vote me lol. You will go with whatever lynch you think is easiest. You've proven this time and time again.
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@coal
Thank you for reminding me. I almost forgot that you were the lynch before Ragnar's bullshit.
It was actually after. It's part of my case against you, when I talk about how you were vying for the easiest mis-lynch despite multiple times saying I was a town read, or that I wasn't the day's lynch lol
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@coal
I didn't read your case, but I don't like the fact that you didn't post it here. It means you can post, but then go back and edit it, post facto.
I encourage you to go and screen shot each page, and if I edit anything you will have me nailed for it. Do it now.
This is especially relevant in view of the fact that you are claiming that you're going to be killed tonight;
I am not claiming that. I am posting it in case of me getting killed tonight. You mentioned if zaradi is scum then I must be town, which is a scary thought considering I think you are mafia, that makes me a viable kill option if he is scum.
which suggests to me that you are trying to capitalize on the fact that, despite the fact that a viable wagon formed on you at least once in this game; I recall you were at L-2,
Nah you fvckers had me at l-1 for hours.
you are not endeavoring to manipulate and capitalize on Zaradi's untimely departure. That makes me think, increasingly, that you know he is going to flip town; and you are threfore scum.
All this actually makes it look like you think he is going to flip town. That plus you already admitted you thought he was town when you voted him. Like I said, this looks worse for you if he does flip town.
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@Lucky
Let's see that good flip. Give me some good news my man
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@warren42
I think Lucky gave us a day extension because of all the inactives, but I am fine with the phase ending. I highly doubt oro or sui want to contribute more. They've had ample time over the last three days.
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@Danielle
Pretty sure scum is among Zaradi/coal or Zaradi/Oro. I'll play Mafia with you elsewhere. Work is slow. Send me the link next time :p
Will do. The game just started but I didn't think you would like it because it is themeless. It's actually the same set up as this one. But I am sure they may end up needing replacements sooner or later. If that's the case I'll hit you up
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@warren42
Interesting. So why are you advocating for zaradi/speed's lynch rather than coal's?
I've been pushing Coal for the last 300 posts or so of Dp1 to no avail. And frankly, does it matter which order both scum die? My scum read on both is equal.
It's also not lost on me that you'd be setting up two mislynches to win mafia the game if they're both in fact town
I made the case on Coal as well in the case of my death tonight. I want the case out there if I can no longer post. That said, I don't think I've been particularly convincing anyone here much to my dismay. Your faith in my ability to lead a lynch is gratifying, but frankly my opinion on Coal seems pretty un-popular. I think id I was scum I'd have an easier time setting up a mis-lynch on an inactive, would you not agree? Coal, besides me, is probably the second heaviest poster in the game next to Danielle. I made this same argument to Danielle last DP, I am doing myself no favors by going after him if I am scum. He by no means is an "easy" lynch.
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I also townread coal but haven't yet read lunatic's case against him (which is likely only worth much assuming speed flips mafia)
I go out of the way in the case to show that my scum read on Coal is not hinged to Zaradi (speedrace). In fact, if Zaradi is town, it only makes Coal look worse.
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@warren42
Mafia Universe is better :D
How so? Genuinely curious. Looking to play mafia with people who actually play. Sick and tired of people who flake out of games because they don't like how things are going or continuously sign up when they barely play or contribute.
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@warren42
Would you have publicly called attention that you were contacting him?
Probably, but hard to say. Definitely with someone other than max, but max specifically I game almost daily, so I can yell at him in discord to post.
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After spending 4 hours on a case no one read yesterday, I decided to sign up for a noob game on mafia scum yesterday with mikal. I'll be splitting my time between the two now, and probably focusing more on whichever one is more active. I was hopeful about this game at first, but I am increasingly annoyed with players like sui and oro. Sui I remember being a lot more active. Oro on the other hand is notorious for posting just enough to not get replaced, but not enough to be really helpful. Kind of want to start policy voting him like drafter did from now on.
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@warren42
Well not to argue with something that looks good for me, but we were both scum I would probably also want to prod him, as inactivity unwillingly seems to draw attention to you.
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@warren42
For what it's worth #154 of D1 should show that lunatic and I are never mafia together
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@oromagi
town vanillas do sometimes hint at PRs tactically
It's more prone to backfire in an open set up (it's how speed got vigged in Virt's themeless game). In this case if there was another PR, and if he was CC'ed it would have been bad news.
If scum, Zaradi's motivation for hint is hard to credit
Keep in mind, he was still attempting to deny he ever bread crumbed in the first place. If he was scum his motivation was to keep a power role claim as town cred. Even at the start of this phase he was denying where he was breadcrumbing, this before he finally admitted to having bread crumbed.
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@sui_generis
k I'm here
Are you really though?
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@warren42
Objectivity was from DDO, he mostly played live mafia. I don't remember playing forum mafia with him ever. And yes Coal is YYW
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@oromagi
I'm not sure I think the case against Zaradi is sufficient
Feel free to offer why you think it isn't sufficient, proving you actually read it ;-)
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@sui_generis
Thoughts on zaradis "night kill baiting"?
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Looks like about 19 hours remaining in the day phase.
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@Danielle
@warren42
@sui_generis
@oromagi
@airmax1227
Ladies and Gentlemen, my college essay of a case against Speedrace (Zaradi) and Coal. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WiRKKOWLPlz9GON_-5Az-MXCqaFBK-oxqAKuxN2Ii7s/edit?usp=sharing
I apologize about the length, but there's a lot more than just Speedrace (Zaradi) at the focus here. And if I die, I want you guys to know who the next obvious lynch needs to be. The case against Coal is not dependent on Speedrace (zaradi) being scum either. In the off chance Zaradi is actually town (very very extremely unlikely), Coal is still scum under this case.
Alright, now I am okay with whoever hammering the day phase. Please take this case into account when going into DP3 if I am killed.
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Please no one hammer before I post my case. If I am killed tonight I want my case out there first for yall to read the next day phase.
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@warren42
The first link was Zaradi's claim before he was replaced by Speedrace.
This link is a catch up post I made for you and speed to save you a bit of time. I am also in the middle of my case on Coal/Speedrace (zaradi) and will be posting it soon.
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@warren42
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Lucky should have just left the zaradi slot empty since it's getting lynched anyway, and used speedrace for oromagi or sui...
I feel bad for speed lol. I don't want him wasting his time trying to refute a case on a slot he just filled just for him to get lynched anyway.
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@Danielle
For some reason I just realized speedrace replaced zaradi, I thought he had replaced oromagi.
Interesting that Zaradi chose to rage quit after a little FOS.
VTL speedrace.
Danielle, make sure to re-vote speed
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Playerlist:
Warren (airmax1227)
Danielle
Lunatic
coal
Speedrace (Zaradi)
sui_generis
oromagi
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@Speedrace
Get a chance to read through things yet?
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@Speedrace
For sure it would be fun to play with you
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@Speedrace
meant to tag speed in the above whoops
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@warren42
@sui_generis
Key Events of DP1
- Zaradi starts a case on me
- Coal reads it and instantly switches his town read on me (lol)
- The Ragnar wagon starts
- Objectivity gets modkilled for post editing.
- Raganar at L-1, softs a power role by saying he knows there is a roleblocker (This is an important one because most of the discussion in the game has centered around this event)
- I unvote and suggest we do not talk about Ragnar's claim further. (this fvcking post almost gets me lynched later which is why I note it a key event)
- Coal doubts the claim, and continues to openly speculate about Ragnar's role despite Zaradi and I suggesting its a bad idea
- Zaradi soft claims a power role (This post has been the major focus of dp2, very important to read this)
Most of the rest of this phase is me arguing for my life based on people not liking my post where I unvoted for Ragnar. I argue ad nauseum with sui, coal, danielle, and zaradi which feels like arguing with a brick wall and goes nowhere. Luckily I scrape by the end of that day phase at L-1 by the skin of my nuts because the rest of everyone else was too inactive to hammer me.
Key Events of DP2
This one is much shorter, I probably don't need to catch you up on much. At the start, me and coal resume our FOS'es on each other.
- Zaradi continues to deny he was bread crumbing being a power role
- Danielle brings up Zaradi's post 632 to from DP1 that confirms he actually was hardclaiming. In light of Ragnars flip we realize that Ragnar mis-understood the OP whe he soft claimed, which indicates that if Zaradi was the second power role like he kept hinting at, he should have protected Ragnar who was the only other PR, which makes him look scummy.
- I get on board with this logic
- Oro gets on board with this logic.
- Coal gives zaradi an excuse and defends his actions for zaradi, and set him up with a scapegoat answer before he can even speak for himself
- Zaradi finally gets on and conveniently pretty much chooses the exact response Coal already set up for him and admits to trying to bait the night kill as a vanilla (lol)
- I bring up the how this is hypocritical since he was lecturing Coal for digging for info in the previous phase, but was okay to potentially be CC'ed which is even worse
- Me and danielle argue the finer points of this with coal while waiting for inactive townies to help us lynch zaradi, since it's pretty damn obvious at this point he is scum
And now you guys are here! My DP1 summary pretty much mentions all the key points, and while I gave a summary of DP2, there is a lot of fine details I left out about the zaradi case, so I highly reccomend you read it. If he still isn't lynched by tomorrow afternoon when I get to work I will elaborate the case out in a google document to help speed things up, since I haven't had the time today. But basically we are just waiting on a zaradi lynch, and need yalls support.
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@Speedrace
Hey speed! I will in a bit, just give let me finish this match of warzone with mike
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@coal
You first. I have my thoughts and will post them, but you answer my question first.
Your asking me if my opinion on whether I am town or not would change? No I would still think I am town lol.
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