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@coal
I am just going to say as well that I very much do not like the "like" feature because I can't see who is liking these posts.
I liked danis 119 and 121 if it matters lol
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@coal
Whats your personal answer to that question btw?
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@coal
Most of your post above is circular and it does not now and has not changed my mind about Zaradi.
Yeah, definitely not trying to change your mind anymore, you have shown it was made up on the issue already lol.
You want me to VTL Zaradi and are implying that my disinclination to do that implies that I'm scum, which again is just a creative way to say "you disagree with me and therefore you're scum."
Nah you didn't even read what I said. I told you at this point you've already sold your soul to the devil by not accepting what zaradi did as scummy before he even said it. You were clearly shown the implications of what he did and are only NOW pretending to be suspect of it and open minded lol.
You have not, in any way, dealt with the analysis I posted when I got up this morning because you are not considering, subjectively, what town Zaradi would or would not do and that is not going to get me to change my mind.
I responded to the part of your analysis that was relevant, the part where you are exonerating him because you think he is baiting a nk. I have touched that issue plenty.
Objectively, I think Town Zaradi doesn't and shouldn't be doing what he did; also for reasons I've already said.
Zaradi also doesn't agree with what "Town zaradi" did since he was lecturing you about openly digging for information that would implicate power roles, but was okay with one potentially CC'ing him lol.
I agree Zaradi's conduct today isn't helping him; and if your claim that I am scum and helping him by buddying him today and setting him up for the lynch, then why on earth would I have allowed that move in the first place?
I think you also thought Ragnar's mis-understanding of the OP meant you could use it against him (you were still pressing for ragnar at that point). This post kind of shows that your inside information was intended to be used as a weapon:
That, after the nonsense he pulled last night, keeps him as a scum read. Also, he says we should be treating him like he's dead. Why, because he knows there's not a doctor? Did he maybe not think about that when claiming what he did? But the fact that he says that there is nothing that can save him implies that he knows that there's not a doctor in the game; just like he knew the setup based on the knowledge of his scum-mate's role.
If you were two goons you knew that he got it wrong because you understood the OP better, looks like you were setting him up here. If Ragnar got mislynched, you could have said "wtf ragnar lied" next DP (even though it was likely just lazy or mis-read).
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@coal
I respect the attempt at town cred here, but I am not buying it. Zaradi answered exactly how you expected him to (probably based on lots of prodding in the PM). You set up the scenario for him way before he got online and posted it himself. Trying to look open minded about this now just makes you look more suspect. I brought up to you the implications of his actions before he even posted, and you were okay accepting them as a town tell before... All of what Zaradi said sums up perfectly with the narrative for him you had already conveniently set up lol.
To me this post reads like you are wanting to seem like you considered lynching him in case the others get on and buy it and lynch him, so it will give you some town cred later on, or if they for some reason don't buy it, you can revert to your town read on him and say you buy his explanation. Maybe you hope this will get you a townread in the next day phase.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for you voting for your scum buddy, but you've already signed your life to his in blood in my eyes lol.
What new answers are you expecting from him? He's revealed everything already, and it simply contradicts what he's said already. He claims he went along with you softing him as a PR, which meant he was fully aware of the consequences of doing that, and admits to the risk. But at the same time he plays dumb and asks both Danielle and you to show proof of him bread-crumbing, which is him feigning ignorance to going with the soft claim. There was 0 reason for him to keep going along with this after Ragnar's flip, and he continued to do so. So at the start of this day phase, he wasn't planning to admit he was softing to draw the night kill, but now he's going with that because he's backed into a corner. You should have been aware of all that before zaradi even posted.
What makes me all the more suspect of all this is before he posted I was weighing in my mind what I would do in this situation as scum between weighing the options of
1. Admitting I was the doctor and claiming to be roleblocked
2. Admitting I was the doctor and come up with some crazy BS reason for choosing to doc someone else and hoping people would buy it
3. Going with the situation Coal set up; Saying I was trying to draw the nk and actually being vanilla.
All three are pretty horrible, and I expected I would scum read him for any of them, but wanted his response just in case he had a better excuse that made perfect sense and maybe I just hadn't thought of it. 1 would have been the best option if he had started out even hinting at some annoyance for being roleblocked, if not outright saying it since it was pretty well thought he was a PR anyway. 2 would have been a hard sell, probably not worth trying. 3. Still bad, but semi-explainable but opens a whole other can of worms that go against things he said last day phase of things I mentioned already.
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@sui_generis
@oromagi
@airmax1227
Well I'll get to work on a case against Zaradi. I am about to drive home from work and have an hour drive, so it will be a while. In the mean time, if you have time, please read the day phase if you haven't. Most relevant posts from DP1 should be linked already, though I will format it better in the case I make. If I end up gaming with max later, I will post pone the case until tonight after he's hit the hay.
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@Zaradi
You were perplexed but also acknowledge you took a risk by playing along with coal's insinuation you were a power role?Yes? I could've said I wasnt a pr to shut down that entire conversation and give mafia zero reason to NK me. But I didn't. So I played along with it.
There is no reason you should have been perplexed when Dani or Coal asked you about the bread crumb then if you were knowingly playing along. If you were playing to bait the night kill, you did it in the most useless way possible. At that point you might as well have come out and admitted it, which would have still been anti-town, but at least easier for us to buy. The way you supposedly did it allowed for you to dismiss the possibility that you were baiting the night kill entirely! There was absolutely no reason to play dumb when Danielle asked you if you were breadcrumbing at that point!!
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@Zaradi
Did you have a reason to doubt Ragnar's claim of having knowledge of the existence of a roleblocker?No?
So if you didn't have any reason not to believe there was a roleblocker, then for all intensive purposes, you thought there was a roleblocker, which meant that you knew there was a second town power role and that by softing it you risked being CC'ed...
You would have known that playing along with the "draw the nk" strategy could potentially mean you would get CC'ed. If you are town you would know that's anti-town.That is the risk associated with vanilla's trying to draw the NK, yes. That's if I get CC'd though. If I dont get cc'd, though, and I draw the NK, it's a massive win for town in that the PR's get night actions off. Town PR's getting night actions off = pretty fucking pro-town.To be clear, again, I didn't come into the game wanting to soft a PR.
I get that you claim you didn't come into the game looking to do it. But the fact of the matter is that you DID go along with it, and it's not like you had to. And if you weren't lecturing Coal for baiting information out it wouldn't look nearly as it does now. You thought Coal (and Dani for that matter) was going too far by digging for information and openly speculating about power roles right? It's the one thing we agreed on last day phase. But then you are suddenly okay with risking outting the other PR by going along with it? It's hypocritical for one thing, but then I don't think you really thought of the negative impact of what you were doing, because you could still potentially just claim ignorance to ever softing in the first place...
I don't buy that you really took a risk here either,The cognitive dissonance to say that drawing the NK risks outting a TPR while also saying that I didn't take a risk is staggering.
You know what I am actually saying though, because of your constant perplexity of the bread crumbing (which you've now admitted to par-taking of) you likely didn't see this scenario biting you in the butt the way it has, and I expect you were willing to dismiss the idea entirely that you had soft claimed.
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@Zaradi
I was perplexed. I didn't think I had softed anything that day phase (still don't). So I wanted to know what she saw (which makes no fucking sense for me to ask if I'm actually a PR, btw. I'd be either ignoring or trying to stop as much discussion of me being a PR as reasonably possible).
You were perplexed but also acknowledge you took a risk by playing along with coal's insinuation you were a power role?
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@Zaradi
Why does me wanting to draw the NK mean I have to believe theres a roleblocker?
Did you have a reason to doubt Ragnar's claim of having knowledge of the existence of a roleblocker? This seems like a slip. You of course if scum, may have already known that it was a 2 goon set up, which very much explains you being okay with Coal setting you up for being a PR.
Why cant vanilla's try to draw the NK regardless of setup?
I'm not going to get drawn into an off-topic meta argument here. because that's not what I said. If you are town going to pull a strategy like that you'd have to hiope the real power role would be in on it as well though.
It's an open set-up, in this specific scenario a true townie would have no reason to doubt the claim that there was a roleblocker (especially since you also town read ragnar) which meant that the other power role was a doctor or mason. You would have known that playing along with the "draw the nk" strategy could potentially mean you would get CC'ed. If you are town you would know that's anti-town. If you were Mafia with inside knowledge there was 2 goons, you might think this is a safe way to play off being a potential power role while using this exact scapegoat you are using now if it you were wrong.
Also, I object to vanilla's trying to draw the NK as anti-town. Vanilla's dying over a town PR is pretty fucking beneficial for town. You are correct, however, that it is a risk, hence why I didn't come into the game wanting to do that.
I don't buy that you really took a risk here either, otherwise you would have been a little more forth-right with it. You played the line just enough so you could have a scape goat either way...
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That, after the nonsense he pulled last night, keeps him as a scum read. Also, he says we should be treating him like he's dead. Why, because he knows there's not a doctor? Did he maybe not think about that when claiming what he did? But the fact that he says that there is nothing that can save him implies that he knows that there's not a doctor in the game; just like he knew the setup based on the knowledge of his scum-mate's role.
By the way given, what we know now, this post looks very shady from coal...
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@Zaradi
Also if you acknowledge that Coal was indeed setting you up conveniently to draw the night kill, why did you keep pretending to sound perplexed when Danielle pointed it out?
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This is the opposite of what you appear to want when you are lecturing coal..*
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@Zaradi
Do you realize how anti-town that post was though? You playing along with coal's assumption because you thought it was conveniently setting you up to draw the night kill, meant that you would have had to buy that there was indeed a roleblocker (at that time we had no way of knowing Rag was wrong about that). The real doctor or mason or whatever could have outted themselves to CC you. This is the opposite of what you appear to what when you are lecturing coal... It's why I don't think I can buy this... At all..
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@Zaradi
Out with it; Cat's out of the bag.
We need to know, are you the doctor? If so who did you protect and why? If not what did this post mean?
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@Zaradi
Also pertaining to me earlier read; Danielle has since admitted her digging about the power roles last day phase was wrong in that she hadn't read the OP to understand the full implications of her doing so. It doesn't entirely excuse her actions, but I am more inclined to believe someone who admits they made a mistake than I am to believe someone who double's down on the mistake. Which is why I probably mis-took Coal for town dp1.
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@Zaradi
What's your read on danielle?
Irrelevant atm. It's contingent upon how you answer some of the questions that have been asked that day phase. I read her as scum initially, but I would have to buy that she is bussing you if that's the case. It's not out of the question, but I don't see it as particularly strategical for scum to do at this juncture. I am willing to be open minded to it though.
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@Zaradi
I haven't seen 15 "zaradi needs to post" posts. I think you are confusing the DP scum DM's with coal ;-)
jk... Kind of.
I actually do lowkey feel like Coal's response time is a little slower this DP, and kind of find it convenient that you are posting now when he and I are mid-response. I feel like he is trying to get you in quickly to answer these questions because he no longer can lol.
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@coal
If you two think I'm wrong about town-reading Zaradi, then explain why because I still cannot see how scum zaradi so blatantly and obviously puts himself in the line of fire to protect a townie who claimed a power role that, if scum, Zaradi would have understood. It just makes absolutely no sense why scum town read a townie power role the entire game and then put himself on the line to protect a town power role.
He didn't actually "put himself on the line" though, at least in his mind. Ragnar's statement about the set up was wrong obviously since he over-looked the other set up where his role was possible. All Zaradi did was use that mis-information to create a nice little scape goat for himself to claim a power role. Note he still doesn't want to outright admit the breadclaim though, so he still may end up trying to revert to the "I was trying to bait the night kill" tactic. And again if that's the case, you refer can to me and Danielle's other points about how that is anti-town.
If Ragnar flipped scum then we would be lynching Zaradi but I do not see the logic in how scum Zaradi pulls that off. If scum, Zaradi should have been on Ragnar's lynch and then pulled off it loudly and dramatically after Ragnar's "claim".
He's simultaneously trying to pretend it wasn't that loud and dramatic. He's drew himself a nice little fallback in case the "claiming power role" tactic doesn't work.
You yourself think that he bread-crumbed last day phase so I don't get why your red flags aren't up by his responses to you in 20 and 21 of this phase.
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@oromagi
@oromagi - I see that you agree Zaradi claimed something. What do you want to do about it?
Ive been waiting for his follow up to that statement too.
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@Danielle
Re: Your read on coal; Interesting. What do you think of his theory of zaradi trying to draw the night kill? Do you not find it as fishy as I do that he seems more interested in making excuses for zaradi's intentions and doesn't genuinely seem to see how any of what zaradi did could have links to him being scum? It doesn't even seem like he is considering it. Even in his big post telling zaradi how frustrated he is with him, he doesn't display even the slightest inkling of doubting zaradi lol. Which to me means he's thought of the implications and that big large post was designed to blow away any potential arguments about zaradi's behavior being scummy before they could arise. I don't like it.
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@coal
This is a hindsight-based question. Zaradi was never going to hard claim because if he did that would have defeated the whole purpose of what he was trying to achieve in the first place.
It is a hindsight question: the whole reveal only matters im hindsight because under the circumstances scum didn't have all the pieces of the puzzle together either.
Which brings up another counter point to the theory of zaradi trying to draw the night kill; How would he have expected to fool scum? Scum would have way more insight on this knowing their own roles. If they were both vanillas then they would have already known what he was doing, and if they had a roleblocker and no one else claimed in the day phase than they know he was the doctor. If you think he was drawing then only outcome from this would have been a negative one; outing whoever the real power was.
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What was the drawback to him being forced to hard claim?*
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@coal
Zaradi isn't, and can't be the doc, to the extent we have one, because if he WAS a doc then he would have been Doc'cing ragnar as per his activity yesterday, which means there is a role blocker, which means the role blocker blocked Zaradi, which is why Ragnar is dead.
You are right about why zaradi can't be the doc. So why then is he still denying that he bread crumbed at all? The fact that he is questioning everyone about where he actually bread claimed seems to indicate he is playing ignorance and more likely to claim vanilla now. If he was roleblocked I am surprised he didn't show any frustration about the night kill not going through. With his play yesterday, it's not like there was any confusion that he was claiming a power role; Natural thought process if you are to buy him as town puts him as doctor.
And Zaradi knew, though, that Ragnar was the target and he also knew that drawing the NK meant that Ragnar might be able to post his result, which is obviously proving that he doesn't have a power role because if Zaradi was the doc he never would have made the post you identify above. He would have just doc'd Ragnar and there would have been no NK, because, again, Zaradi was never on Ragnar's lynch in the first place.
If Zaradi was trying to draw the night kill was the drawback to him being forced to hardclaim? Also if he was drawing the nk, this was a horrible anti-town plan. If he was CC'ed by (the only other person it could have been who hasn't read up til now) Airmax, then his attempt to draw out a nk would have hurt town by drawing out the other PR...
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@coal
Explain what you mean by this.If Ragnar flipped scum I would be VTLing Zaradi for death. That didn't happen. Zaradi's actions don't make sense other than what I said, unless you have some alternative theory. There is an alternative theory, I just don't think it's plausible.
To rehash: Post 632 You probably didn't make much of this at the time, as did most of us because we were already under the assumption that zaradi was probably another power role; specifically mason. But knowing what we know now about Ragnar's flip, this post is a bit more important. As we've established There either 2 goons and the rest vanillas, or theres a goon, roleblocker, and a doc. Zaradi's statement in 632 doesn't make sense if he is a vanilla. That means he is the doc if there is another power role; which he pretty much did claim. And it honestly doesn't make much sense to argue that him him hard claiming means any different without hearing it from the horses mouth himself. We need to know why Zaradi, if indeed the doctor, didn't protect ragnar, and why he wasn't roleblocked when last day phase the only two to even hint they were power roles were him and Ragnar.
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@coal
Wrong, because he never hard claimed either. He neither CC'd Ragnar, nor hard claimed. What he did was he breadcrumed (at least to me, is how I read it) that he was the other mason, Ragnar being the former --which means he was at once drawing the NK, which means he isn't the other power role. Unless he knew he wouldn't be night killed; in which case you are probably town. But I don't think he knew that. Not based on how he played that yesterday. I think drawing the NK away from Ragnar was his intention; based on the fact that he believed Ragnar (which would be consistent with the fact that he was not, in any meaningful way, supprotive of Ragnar's lynch beyond just saying that he would only be willing to VTL Ragnar at the end of the DP for results).
I also was under the impression he was more likely hinting at being mason, I think most of us were; But what I mean by he couldn't have been the other power role, is because the breadcrum post was a little more than a breadcrum when he actually says "Because holy shit I don't think I can say it any different way without hardclaiming".
If their was another power role they didn't see this post. But if he was scum he would have had to have known there was a 2 goon set up to say this safely without being CC'ed. The only way this was an attempt to draw the night kill is if airmax is the power role and wasn't caught up enough to see this and CC
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@coal
Re: Danielle
We can drop that line of thought for now in light of the new revelations about zaradi; since it means she would have to be bussing her scum buddy early for no reason if she is scum (which is why I am not operating under the assumption she is bussing at this time), and determining the zaradi dynamic is kind of more important.
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@coal
So there's a world where I read your behavior as that you were actually trying to draw the NK by implying you were some kind of power role, potentially with some association to Ragnar (read: mason); in which case, what would have happened is that scum would have killed vanilla and not a power role and at least the cop would be alive. So even though you lied, the effect was pro-town; and that seems to be in line with your intentions.
BTW for this to have been zaradi's strategy it would also have required inside information that there was not another power role, because if their was he would have or should have been CC'ed when the other power role saw all this. The only other explanation for this to be valid is if there was another person as a power role, they were too inactive to see all of that. The only person I can think of who didn't opine after all of this happened is airmax. So if airmax isn't the other PR (something I think is a given) then you can't even say Zaradi was trying to bait the nk.
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@Danielle
If Zaradi is scum who do you think his partner is?
I am still thinking coal is VERY likely given the fact that Coal refused to scum read zaradi for his defense of Ragnar the same way he did me. In fact almost all of their interactions seem "weightless" like they are trying to bicker without any consequence. Zaradi inquisition into coal's behavior implies he may scum read some of it, but even at the end of last day phase Zaradi refused to scum read Coal even though he was on the same page about his role-fishing being anti-town. And Coal straight up doesn't wanna say anything Zaradi does it "scummy". At the beginning of the phase he notes being "frustrated" with zaradi's actions though. Again weightless.
And I can't exclude the inactives. It will be interesting to see where airmax, oro and sui stand on zaradi though.
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@Danielle
He did not hint at all whatsoever that he was RB when he posted at the start of this day phase, which he would have had to do if it were true.
I know. The only potential excuse then is that he hoped maybe enough people didn't pick up on the fact that he was a doctor, and admitting it would unnecessarily out him? Or he is going to have to claim vanilla and that we are reading too much into his post from last day phase? I am thinking he will attempt the latter, but I would have a hard time buying that argument.
If the mafia had a RB, it would be more useful to role block Ragnar and night kill the doctor to get rid of him; then kill Ragnar the following night. It's not like Zaradi didn't out himself with a role yesterday which was called out multiple times. Mafia would know he was claimin doc by whichever set up their scum team is based on. So it would make no sense to kill Ragnar first, because with a dead doc they could just kill Ragnar the following day and know the town lost their only two roles. Per my last post, there is no way Zaradi is town imo.
Yeah I would still like to hear his response, but you are probably right. The more I think about it, the harder I am going to buy any potential excuse here.
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@oromagi
Because holy shit I don't think I can say it any different way without hardclaiming
This part is even more damning because what sense would that make if he is vanilla?
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Okay well that's good to know; and kind of bad. Maybe I should have waited to ask that to hear zaradis answer because I inadvertently gave him a scapegoat. Now he can claim he did actually protect ragnar but was likely blocked.
And he still could claim to have targeted someone else entirely though that will look even worse.
I am kind of inclinded now to doubt any answer he gives unfortunately but I will try to be open minded.
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@Lucky
I do remember reading that post but not making much of it, because I already thought it was obvious at that point that Zaradi was the second mason, and even if was wrong I didn't think it mattered because I was busy trying to push the point I thought was obvious that we shouldn't have been trying to dig for the information to begin with. The gravity of Ragnar flipping cop though brings out the implications of that post a little more strongly though. Zaradi will claim doctor now, he has no choice, but if he wasn't roleblocked, that is heavily suspect, as is the fact that he didn't protect ragnar. The only logical explanation I can see him making is that he protected himself; If that's the case we have to consider the fact that many mods don't allow self protection from doctor's. But it's worth asking lucky. He seems to think asking questions about hypothetical in game roles are okay based on the mafia games the other night, so I don't see why he wouldn't answer this:
@ Lucky, can doctors self protect? If someone was roleblocked would they be told their action failed?
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@Danielle
Btw @ Lunatic if I am scum, that would mean Zaradi really is the doctor and that scum either role blocked him or took the risk of not successfully killing Ragnar which I personally would not do in this game as scum -- it doesn't make sense since town is already 1 down one player (Objectivity). Scum knew there was no doc. Zaradi said nothing about being role blocked either and there's no one else scum would have role blocked since we all talked about Zaradi's breadcumb yesterday.
Yeah you are right. I wasn't looking at the situation objectively, and didn't pick up the same logic also makes zaradi look bad, if not worse.
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@Danielle
Danielle, sorry, I see what you are saying now. May have been tunnel vision a bit based on the last phase.
I am unsure what to think about zaradi. He is either extremely town for his actions with Ragnar last phase, or he is extremely scum because to the same extent, the argument I used on Danielle kind of applies to him too; If he had knowledge of a 2 goon set up with Ragnar claiming what he did, he knew there was a vast array of fake claims he could pick from. The "Hard-claiming" statement indicates he might have been hinting a power role, but without knowing what exactly Ragnar was, he couldn't pull the direction of doctor.
If this isn't a 2 goon set up though he has to be a doctor, and we need to know why he didn't protect Ragnar.
Unvote, vtl zaradi.
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So why did Danielle say she thinks this is an all vanilla game if she thought as far as yesterday that Zaradi was softing the other PR?
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@Danielle
"I'm gonna throw this out there: if Ragnar's lynched today and I get shot tonight, I think there's strong merit to pressuring coal. Because holy shit I don't think I can say it any different way without hardclaiming."
Nevermind I found where you think it was a breadcrumb.
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@Danielle
Link the post where zaradi actually bread crumbed a power role?
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@coal
I disagree with Danielle's conclusion that there is no doctor in the game. She is probably right, but the other possibility is that there is a doc and that person just didn't correctly use their role. So we are in one of two possible setups:1. Column A & Row 1: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 52. Column C & Row 1: Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6
I am going to have this conversation with you and temporarily ignore my scum read on you for the sake of finding what you wrote here interesting because it coincides with my train of thought on Danielle.
Don't you find it kind of interesting that Danielle seems to just assume this is the second set up? I mean I fully buy that it is, but like you said, there's no obvious conclusion that it should be the second one. Also she never backed off the Ragnar read (even you reluctantly did), and she kept asking the other power role to "confirm" ragnar. If Danielle is actually scum and knew both mafia were goons, it would make sense that she would think that the lack of another townie confirming ragnar would look bad for him after he claimed he knows based on his role that their was a roleblocker... This is all even more suspicious because of her first post noting how boring a game with all vanillas is.
Thoughts?
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@sui_generis
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@Zaradi
I think it's important to note a few things that Coal has said here. In reference to coal's notable momemnt 1:
Which brings us to TUF's reaction. Maybe it was genuine. But maybe TUF realized he was on a wagon getting ready to mislynch a townie and he knew, for absolute certain, that lynching Ragnar was going to make him look guilty. I don't know that it actually would have, but once you know stuff it's hard to NOT know it; which is why I am now considering that TUF slipped without realizing it. Something to think about .... TUF is looking more like an option for me today.
This part of the post makes no sense. First of all you can see how easily he dismisses the "Maybe it was genuine", but somehow backing off a lynch of someone who claims a power role is a "slip". First of all, as I said in the last day phase, the case against Ragnar wasn't all that solid for me; never was. My participation on the lynch at all was due entirely to remembering him being more active and scum hunting in another game. That said, this game was far more active than that quickfire game referenced, and has an entirely different dynamic than that game, so I am not fooling myself into thinking that was hard hitting, game-breaking analysis, the way coal seems to think Ragnar's lack of caring was.
That said, the fact that I am the sole of Coal's focus from breaking off of the Ragnar lynch makes absolutely no sense. More importantly, zaradi took and still takes the same stance as me that pushing for more information was anti-town, even if zaradi veers from this logic in that he thinks it was more likely an innocent mistake than a malicious one.
I am not giving Coal the same break, because I do not think Coal is a noob, and I think he knew fully well what he was doing. Also it appears obvious now that Coal's reasons for choosing to want to lynch me more than zaradi or anyone else who doubted the case on ragnar, are purely because I am the bigger in-convenience to him at this point. Makes little sense why else he would choose me specifically otherwise.
As for Danielle:
Also I think it's key to note, how much Danielle was pushing to find the "other" person last day phase to confirm Ragnar, and was using the lack of this information as a reason to push Ragnar. Knowing what we know that (what Danielle also conveniently noted) is that there probably isn't another power role. If Danielle knew this last day phase based on Ragnar's insistence that there had to be a roleblocker, it explains her actions perfectly.
Column C & Row 1: Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6
If mafia had two goons, then she knew she could use this logic to hurt Ragnar and was probably why she still chose to scum read him towards the end of last day phase.
@Zaradi
Even if you don't buy my argument against coal, don't you at least see the bit about Danielle?
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@Danielle
Like I said, a game with all vanillas doesn't interest me at all.Let me know if you guys play Live tonight and I'll be there.
Are you uh, quitting?
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VTL Coal, Re: role fishing with the power roles when it was clearly anti-town to do so.
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@Danielle
Oh yay I forgot I was on hold. How many people usually sign up for games on here? The one I have ready is probs too big for a standard DART game.
It depends if someone of the old DDO vets stick around after Lucky's game or not. If they do there will be an influx of new players to add to the current ones
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Current Mafia
Sign-ups
Discipulus_Didicit - Star Control
In the Hopper
Speedrace
Lunatic- Stephen King (closed sign ups)
ILikePie5 - Bakugan or Riverdale
Bullish
Mharman - Terraria Mafia
PressF4Respect - Assasin in the Castle
SupaDudz- Teen Titans
On Hold
warren42, zaradi, Virtuoso, drafterman, danielle
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@thett3
@ShabShoral
@Vader
who am i missing?
please tag anyone else you think would be interested to play.
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@Barney
@oromagi
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
bump
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