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@sui_generis
pretty much my thoughts exactly. whoever said tuf likes to cause town infighting had it lol. I def remember that part on ddo.
How do you think I am promoting town infighting? Also the person who said that, Oro, never substantiated it. I am assuming he made that comment because in general he's not all that active, and barely makes an effort to read what I, or anyone else who posts frequently, has to say.
@lunatic it's not personal man but I do think you're the optimal lynch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ town has two jobs: lynch scum and don't get mislynched
You can at least substantiate it, don't be a sheep man just cuz your too lazy to read lol
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Just to be clear, Ragnar basically said "I have a power role" which I understand why he would have to do... but you believed him with no questions asked. Am I remembering that correctly? Why did you automatically accept that when that's what every scum being accused is going to have to do in a game like this?
I didn't. please read post 550.
I said it was a bad idea to lynch him regardless, barring he doesn't outright admit he was scum.
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@Lucky
Policy. Dead players replacing back into a game in a new slot is bad for game health. I already have fresh players waiting to come in if a replacement is needed.
Dis-agree entirely. Guarantee you they won't fully read the 700+ posts, they will skim and still not be aware of certain facts. People will catch them up with their biased views of the DP's and they won't get a full spectrum. But it's your game.
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@Lucky
Can dead town players replace back in the game?No.
Why, to spite me? or...? Why?
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You made a show of it ("If people can't see why I'm unvoting I'm not gonna spell it out.")
I don't think I made a show of it. I was hoping that would be the last anyone would talk about it. Coal was the one who made a show of it by openly speculating the man's role directly afterwards...
I have no idea why Ragnar specified which power role he had in the first place. That was completely useless because he didn't even ask anyone to confirm him.
He HAD to. He was at l-1 at the time, practically about to get lynched. If there's any time to come out as a power role that's the friggin time lol. Asking someone to confirm him hurts the only other power role in the game for NO reason. One power role being outted day phase 1 is bad enough.
If he's town, he could have allowed scum to think he was cop and make them sweat it out -- make them think there was a doc protecting him, who knows.
He did try to make them sweat it out though! He didn't give any information indicating he was the mason until Fvcking Coal pried it out and made it known.
Instead he just said he had a power role and expected everyone to believe him, accept it and move on with no questions asked.
No questions asked should have been accepted prima facie when a power role out in an open set up. This is the important part you keep not responding to- If he was lying and scum we would figure that out pretty quickly. Making him prove it by giving more information just helps the mafia...
The fact that you accepted it so easily is sus.
It should have been accepted at face value because of the open set up. You can't treat an open set up game the same way as any regular old mafia game. There are pretty really consequences to fake claim and it won't take long for that info to make itself known.
Now you're buddying up to Zaradi. I just don't town read you
Zaradi had the same reaction to Coal, if even stronger than I did when he was openly speculating about Ragnar's role. The fact that you don't suspect him for the same reasons shows you are being in-consistent with your logic, or, more likely, you are choosing the one you perceive to be an easier mislynch
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@Danielle
I think that's what's happening here: TUF genuinely thinks we have a bad reason for FOSing him but he's probs still scum (and the reasons aren't actually bad).
The reason being that I (as well as zaradi) thought it was obvious that ragnar was claiming a power role and pushing for information was scummy? You are absolutely unable to see why a townie would do that?
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I feel like zaradi agrees with me but is so intent to be right about the earlier case, that he wants to pretend we dis-agree here. Its unfortunate.
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@Zaradi
This is where our reads diverged. You scumread him for doing something so decidedly anti-town and continuing to do so.
How is it decidedly anti-town if I am the only one who seems to think so? Also what about danielle, she followed his same logic?
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@coal
I love how TUF only admits the flaws when he's beaten over the head with them. Second major time now. Actually the third if you count his reaction to Zaradi's initial case against him.
I love how YYW stops responding and makes vague over-arching statements when he doesn't have a response ;-)
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Not...really. It just shows that coal was tunneling on Ragnar, which was, as you noted, anti-town. Anti-town =/= scum indicative. Townies do things that are anti-town all the time. You have to ask yourself if the anti-town play is coming from a town perspective or a scum perspective, but that relies on the 'behavioral analysis' stuff that you enjoy not using.
I was the one who made the same statement earlier when I responded to you remember? It's why I continued to town read Coal earlier, where my instincts would have scum read him for lying about not reading the OP. I don't use the same logic consistently when judging different players. But we can't pretend that Coal didn't know what he was doing and the implications of the consequences when he was told he was wrong. And he pretended to care for a minute when he unvoted ragnar to make it look like he was giving it careful consideration, but still hasn't dropped the issue with it, since he turned on me for doing literally the same thing you did. That's where it shows he is going for whatever mislynch he can get a hold of. I wish you could see it because we are so narrowly missing being on the same page, because of the earlier exchange we had.
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@oromagi
fucking love the Stand. I know Boulder well- the house where Abigail lived, the bandshell, Chautauqua, etc Perfect book to be reading rn"Cibola! My life for you!"(boom)
G-R-E-A-T, that spells moon! I love the stand. LAWS YES I do. lol
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@coal
And yet you aren't making the same case against Danielle? In fact you are warning Danielle against town reading me even though she and I both independently came to the same conclusion?
The same case applies to Danielle, you are more scummy though because you were actively being anti-town when by trying to theorize about ragnars role when he claimed. Danielle is secondary for trying to publicly out the second mason, and for following much of the same BS reasoning that not pushing for it lets ragnar off the hook. I argued with Dani for 3 pages about how her behavior just as anti town as yours lol.
Presumably because you know we're both town and you are actively trying to lay the foundation for my mislynch....
This makes no sense given the predicament I am in. I have accepted I am todays lynch, and that's okay. If I am town why would I be laying the foundation for a mislynch after my death lol You have to know what you just said sounds absurd.
Again there are plenty of things you could be doing to change my mind about you but instead of doing any of them you are making non-unique arguments for why I am scum but you are actively treating Danielle as town even though based on your own logic you should be arguing that both Danielle and I are the scum team. So again nothing you are doing makes sense as town. At all. Zero.
Doubtful there is anything I could do to change your mind, but that isn't my priority right now because you are probably scum. If someone isn't giving you a handy under the table about all your reads, then in your mind, they quite clearly are against you lol.
And you are going to die today.
This gloating won't look so good for you when I flip buddy old pal. And if I replace back in, Im comin for ya sonny.
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@Zaradi
No but not pro-town =/= scum indicative. I don't think any of the discussion from any side surrounding Ragnar has been pro-town. But I don't scumread him for it.
But you and I were reminding him the whole time it wasn't pro-town and he continued on with it anyway. That's where malicious intent =/= Naive townie is determined.
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@oromagi
Your profile pic looks like luke skywalker fighting my profile pic
Yeah, I guess it does lol. It's cover art for the Stand, the King book I am currently reading and loving.
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@Zaradi
Remind me which part in particular you're talking about?
Your interactions with coal on page 22, and 23 after Ragnar revealed what he did. I got the vibe you were getting scum vibes from coal for the same reasons I was.
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@Zaradi
I am not asking you to remove your vote btw, I know you have your mind made up. But since we got time and your on, and I havent been hammered yet, just play along. Assume I am dead and flip town. Do you see any merit to what coal did as being pro town?
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@Zaradi
It's whatever. If I am lynched, I am lynched. But god forbid if I am allowed to replace oro, will I be letting coal off the hook next day phase. And maybe you can get past your dumb fvck read of me to work towards an actual solution. Did you not think what coal did by inquiring publicly and loudly about Ragnars claim was scummy? I got the vibe you did.
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@coal
Zaradi may be able to be a brat but there is nothing about what he has said so far that is ignorant.
I am referring to the part where he had his mind made up about me before the ragnar business even came into play. You yourself were asking him for a full page why he still had his vote on me at that point, so you know what I am talking about here.
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@Zaradi
The crux of the problem with mafia on DART.
Oh get off your high horse of what you think the crux of all issues with DART mafia are lol. I was in most of the games you were in on this site, I don't remember any game-breaking town play coming from your ass. Your on the same high horse as Lucky and lucky rage quit early in the first game he played. Not a shred of humility in either of you lol
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@Zaradi
Not necessarily true, but not necessarily false either. It's the manner in which you do something that you're being scumread for, not the literal act of doing something a.k.a. the "behavioral analysis" boogyman.
But your vote was on me before the whole instance with ragnar, so for you it didn't make a difference did it? You were happy no matter what happened, as long as I was lynched, you ignorant prick.
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@Zaradi
@Lunatic: If you think my reasoning for why you're scum is bad because I'm not going to debate the finer points of the case for why you're scum with you, then that's a level of stupid that I can't really help.
I doubt you even read the finer points lol. If you were truly open minded you would have taken them with a grain of salt for possible re-consideration. You are so stubborn and have your mind made up though, that at this point I feel you want me lynched more for vindictive reasons that actually wanting to win the game. Real townies shouldn't play the way you are playing. The sad thing is that you probably are town, and that is what makes you all the more infuriating.
Also your reading comprehension needs work if all you've gotten from recent posts against you is "you stood up for Ragnar" as if just that literal statement is the reason.
If I would have stayed tunnel vision on ragnar (which you should admit is anti-town based on your own interpretations of events) I wouldn't be at L-1 right now. That is the most infuriating thing, is I saw the same thing you did when you were pestering Coal after Ragnars claim, and you still want to see us as enemies here.
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@Danielle
You scum read coal and he is my strongest town read. Not tunneling me is the only way he isn't playing to his/a town meta. And obvs I know I'm town so at this point it seems like you aren't doing anything pro town.
Well. just remember, coal thinks he is being clever. If you are town and he thinks playing you around his finger will work, then he will do it. If you are town, and I hope I am wrong about you, you are probably the only one here with enough independent thought processes to oppose Coal later on, so I do hope you'll be open minded if that is the case. If your scum, well then, mafia got pretty lucky to have the most active free-thinkers on their side. Not that the other players are bad; but when the post counts get too high they seem more prone to follow the leader than to try and form independent thoughts. That seems pretty clear about now.
All you have to do to win is spam the Day phase like Coal with large blocks of text that people are unlikely to read.
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@Zaradi
The sad thing is that I can believe that you believe this is true. Which says some sadly disappointing things about how mafia is played on DART.
Says the guy who builds a case on a mis-representation and dips when confronted about it lol.
inb4 you won't explain to me why I'm scum so you must not have a reason. Trying to convince you that you are scum is the epitome of not fucking helpful
This is a non-answer. I know why you think I am scum; It's pretty bogus, but that aside you said I am ultimately not being lynched for defending ragnar. However most of the last votes on me are for precisely for that reason. So what in your infinite wisdom is the real reason?
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@oromagi
@Lucky
Can dead town players replace back in the game? If so, and I am lynched, I'll take Oro's spot if he doesn't want it.
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@Zaradi
Let's be perfectly clear: this isn't why you're being lynched and you know it.
Why in your words am I being lynched? I am genuinely curious. When mis-lynched here I will vehemently defend my town actions in the end game. I haven't done anything scummy.
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@sui_generis
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Also please for the love of god stop blindly following the post leader coal. Just because he has more time to post and is on virtually every page of the game doesn't mean what he is saying and doing is right. This will be clear when I flip, but think for your god damn selves. I am mostly referring to Oro and sui here. Ya'll straight turned into sheep at the end of this phase.
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If I'm getting lynched I'll accept that, but take what I've said about Coal and danielle with a grain of salt going into next DP. Also don't be surprised if Ragnar isn't killed, that would be a clever scum move to make him look scummy. Keep in mind the reason I am getting lynched too, because I stood up for Ragnar. If Ragnar is still being pursued by Coal and Danielle next Day Phase, you all should be getting some major red flags lol.
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@sui_generis
Thanks for the stellar contribution pal lol. Wow.
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@coal
TUF has absolutely no basis for town reading Ragnar other than the supposed claim Ragnar made, which TUF either understood too well or didn't understand at all.
The claim should be enough. If he is lying it will be shown, but I think it's almost safe to say that based on zaradi, him lying seems nearly out of the question. That said, if you are still thinking Ragnar is potential scum, why don't you also suspect zaradi? If you think my defending of ragnar is scummy, why not zaradi?
And TUF was on the Ragnar lynch up until it became obvious, at least, to him that being on that lynch would be very, very bad.
Correct... I didn't want to participate on a lynch that is bad for town lol.
Moreover, TUF is now acting like anyone who disagrees with his divine revalation (read: informed perspective) is scum by default, while criticizing me (incorrectly) and warning Danielle that I am going to do the same thing.
Quite the opposite really; I was willing to dismiss your interactions with zaradi and I after ragnar claimed initially as just missing the point. The fact that you turned on me for stating what I feel should have been obvious, showed it in a more malicious light. You voted me because of a dis-agreement, and I chose to see what that might mean. That action doesn't come from a town motivation.
Yet, he town reads Danielle and VTL's me. Recall that Danielle and I have basically the same reads, albeit for different reason, on Ragnar and have for the whole DP.
If I think you are both scum, does it matter who I vote for? That said, I will tell you why I am on you specifically instead of Danielle. Your actions directly after Ragnar revealed, where you were fishing for information town DID NOT need, was so inherently scummy. In the off-chance Danielle is actually town and just blind, there is a lot less excuse for your actions.
TUF was on board too, for a long time. Danielle's and my reads haven't changed; they are still consistent.
Why is changing reads a bad thing? Are you arguing that tunnel vision is pro-town? Also said you have FOS'ed basically everyone but zaradi and Danielle, if that's the case you reads have changed because you can't think there are 5 scum in this set up lol.
I changed my read on Ragnar in light of new information that should have changed basically anyone's mind on him who had been voting for him.
But TUF scum reads me while cautioning Daneille that I'm going to turn. This is manipulative anti-town behavior. It's neither logically consistent nor indicative of town intentions; it is rather TUF setting me up for a myslynch for tomorrow
So it's manipulative to show how you are being manipulative? You changed your solid town read on me at the beginning of the game THE INSTANT a case came out against me. Nevermind the case was built on mis-representation, the second you thought Lunatic didn't look so wildly town to everyone else, you distanced the fvck away. That's scummy as fvck lol. If Danielle is town she should know how you treat your 'town bloc'.
And keep in mind TUF was on that same boat too... until he wasn't, and now he's just going to totally forget about everything that happened in the DP and expects me to do the same, and scum reads me for not doing that; while town reading Danielle despite the fact that she reached the same conclusion independently?So this confirms my prior assessment that TUF is scum.Reminder: VTL TUF for death
None of this has much to do with your prior assessment. This sums up to this: Lunatic is becoming a problem for the mafia. Let's get rid of Lunatic. lol
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@Danielle
Because Ragnar has been playing like trash and confirming him town would get me to stop focusing on how anti-town he's been playing.
Let's not lie and fool ourselves that our case against him was iron-solid to begin with. Yeah he hasn't been on every other page of the day phase with hard hitting analysis, but neither have airmax, sui or oro. I too suspected more from Ragnar but I think we also over-hyped his ability a bit. To say he's any more anti town than airmax, sui or oro, is just trying to convince yourself harder of what you already want to see; a Ragnar lynch.
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@Danielle
By the way, if you are actually town, which I doubt, but I digress; Coal is only sucking up to you so far as it is useful to him. The second you have a differing opinion then him, you yourself will be a scum read for him. You've been warned.
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@coal
Every level of this post is correct. If not for Zaradi, I would be virtually certain that scum are Ragnar and TUF. Zaradi is the sole reason Ragnar isn't today's lynch.
I'll ask the same question to Dani, as I did to you. And if I flip town, does your opinion on Ragnar change?
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@oromagi
Meaning that ragnar has ruled out column B based on his role which could only be Mason because Mason is the only role that doesn't iterate in Column BThat suggests two possible setups.Column A & Row 3: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5Column C & Row 3: Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5But the major utility of Mason is to form a town core.
If he knows there is a roleblocker, it rules out column C too.
- If Ragnar was a mason, he would have discussed his decision with his partner and they together must have realized they'd have to come out together or stay in together.
- Lack of confirmation definitely weakens Ragnar's claim
Why does if one person outs, mean the other has to out? Also Ragnar didn't come out saying he was the mason; Oh no. That was all Big Daddy Coal. Ragnar was a vague as possible about the whole thing, which was the pro-town move if you are actually that role.
- What was the value of claiming any PR yesterday?
Ragnar was about to be lynched, it was the last option at that point. And he did it in the most pro-town way possible by trying to limit as much of the information coming out as possible.
- Scum might like the idea of claiming mason, since a scum partner can claim confirmation
In an open set up that is suicide. We know what roles are in the game, the second more than a mason shows up in the graveyard the remaining scum will be known if they claimed mason, or if someone else claimed a role not in the mason set up. The only way this makes sense for mafia to claim both masons if they know its the all vanilla set up, in which case scum will be found out in the MYLO stages.
butt then again, where is Ragnar's scum partner?
If you are town, why do you need to know?
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@Barney
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@airmax1227
Here's the question I am faced with and can't see another answer for. In the case of a set up with two masons, and one is forced to claim because they are being lynched (Ragnar), in what world does it make sense to doubt the claim and continue trying to lynch the person when we are in an open set up and whether they are lying or not will be proved in time?
Also what sense does it make to force the masons partner to out as well DP1? Would a genuine townie behave like this? How does forcing this information out at all help the town? This is what both Danielle and Coal have been doing. They still want Ragnar's head and anyone who dares try to defend them. IF RAGNAR IS LYING WE WILL FIND OUT.
Coal/dani scum team is where I am at. FOS on oro too for buying into it so easily. If one of Coal or Dani is just playing horribly as town, he's got to be the third option.
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@Danielle
No, I didn't lie and I clarified to you what I meant. You hadn't focused on inactives after pressure on Ragnar started to build and instead focused on me and coal which seemed convenient because we were the two most active (only people) talking. Stop wasting my time focusing on minutia like this.
Focusing on the two most active people is the exact opposite of convenient. It means I will have a harder time convincing town to lynch the right direction because ultimately there is more posts from the two of you to cloud out any reason I show to them. I am already expecting to fail, you two have already mentioned interest in lynching me today, and because zaradi's got his head up his ass and is too ignorant to admit he was wrong early, it will probably end that way. I am not doing myself any favors by going after the two of you, it's virtually suicide. I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't genuinely think your actions with ragnar were the scummiest things ever.
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@Danielle
MAFIA ALREADY KNOWS WHO THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY OUTED THEMSELVES. RAGNAR CLAIMED A POWER ROLE. If he is town he literally narrowed down which role he has (mason or cop) for no reason and only the mafia knows if he's telling the truth. So he gave mafia definitive info and us nothing but speculation, especially with inactive players.
Mafia at that point only definitively knew who one of the power roles was, and if Coal didn't pry and prod it so much there was a very fvcking large chance that they could have missed it. At the very least the identity of the second mason doesn't need to have more attention brought to them than neccesary!
And then Zaradi said "don't make me hard claim" to coal as some type of veiled threat. What an utterly useless and not remotely slick breadcrumb or hint.
He was trying to tell him to stfu and decide whether coal's continuing not to was scummy or just showed a lack of brain cells. I don't think it was the latter, we both knew what coal was doing.
If he's claiming he has a power role and Ragnar is town, then Ragnar and Zaradi outed themselves as power roles to scum while the rest of us still have no idea if they're telling the truth or not.
The fact that you were asking everyone who the other mason was half an hour ago shows that you weren't on to this though, and a good many other likely wouldn't have been either.
You want to accept Ragnar's soft claim and keep the other mason/role hidden for what exactly? If Ragnar is town he'll be dead during the night. Cool. Then tomorrow we still won't know who the other confirmed townie is. Cool. I don't see the point of this at all and think you need to watch your tone when speaking to me. It's not my fault I don't speak retard.
If Ragnar dies tonight than why do you need to know the other mason? The fact of another mason will be confirmed lol. The only reason you would need to know the other mason is if you were scum needing to know who to night kill next ;-)
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@Danielle
In post 644 you said I was scum reading you for not helping to "mislynch"Ragnar. How do you know he is a mislynch? The only way you could know that is if you're a mason, doctor or scum.
Your and coal's persistence that Ragnar is scum and is still a lynch candidate today shows impatience as scum. I am pretty confident it is a mislynch based on another person basically already confirming him, but even if I mis-interpreted that, which is likely as anything else, the plain and simple fact is that if he is scum, we will find out one way or another and there is no point to lynch him.
You have mentioned inactives throughout the game, but at this juncture you're focusing on coal and I. Personally coal is my strongest town read and it's not even close. If he is mafia I'll be shocked.
Yeah, now that we have less than five hours left, and the likelihood of you two mislynching me or ragnar is pretty high, I am focusing on you. So you've basically admitted that you lied straight up about me not focusing inactives lol.
I'm leaning town on Zaradi after he said he might be forced to "hard claim" which was a useless comment unless he was alluding to being a mason or doctor (to confirm Ragnar). I have no idea why people with power roles are claiming to have them and then not want to discuss how they can be utilized to help the town.
Zaradi was smart to be vague. Just 30 minutes ago you weren't under the impression that he had claimed, which mean his strategy had worked to an extent/ I unfortunately by dialogueing with you may have brought more attention to this issue.
Re: and then not want to discuss how they can be utilized to help the town.
You guys really wanted the cat out of the bag on this one. This is so scummy.
Right now the town has NO IDEA if these people are fibbing but mafia does.
Why does town need to know RIGHT NOW when it will inevitably reveal itself?
So mafia gets solid info from these dumb little breadcrumbs while the rest of us are left to speculate.
Mafia have to guess the same way town do. Town however shouldn't NEED to know right now the same way a mafia might. Blatantly info fishing is something that's been done a lot of DART and DDO, but on Mafiascum this is immediately read as a scum tell. Wish that was the case here.
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@sui_generis
Hold up before voting sui, a lot has happened since then. I was convinced by a lot of that too at the time.
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@Danielle
100% disagree. It confirms Ragnar is town and confirms another person as town so they aren't mislynched. This helps town narrow down the scum pool.
Why does ragnar need to be confirmed today? If he is lying the set up will show that in a phase or two.
Literally the only point of the masons is to confirm each other. Otherwise they are utterly useless vanilla townies.
In context of a normal game? Maybe, but not here. This is an open set up, which means basically they are two innocent townies when they decide to out. Getting them to out early in DP1 is just handfeeding them to mafia. Why would you want that if you were town?
Staying quiet at this point doesn't help them and it doesn't help town (especially if Zaradi is the other mason... he practically spelled out having a power role).
SO THEN WHY THE HELL DO YOU STILL SCUMREAD RAGNAR OR EVEN ME FOR THAT MATTER. This is beyond fvcking dumb. The fact that you just omitted this is literal proof of trying to pursue a mislynch. You've shown you are at least aware enough to have picked up the obvious but ARE STILL PUSHING FOR THE OTHER PERSON TO OUT. My mind is blown if anyone actually buys this.
Who gives a shit if claiming mason puts a target on their back for a NK? They have completely useless roles anyway. They don't do shit during the night. The whole point of their role is to be confirmed town so they aren't lynched during the day. That's it. Unless you're saying they can claim mason later in the game to prove themselves town. That only works if Ragnar is lynched/town confirming there's another mason in the game in the first place.
That's an insane opinion. Having confirmed townies form a town bloc and help in much needed POE late game is huge. This isn't a very big game.
If you aren't scum then you're playing dumb. I'm very comfortable lynching you or Ragnar today but my vote will stay on Ragnar.
There is no way you are town with this belief.
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Lol the funniest thing here is that Danielle and Coal aren't even willing to see this as "Oh maybe I am missing something obvious" or "Maybe we just have a meta dis-agreement on what to do about ragnar".
The fact that their heads show "Ragnar is scum, and Lunatic not wanting to lynch him means he is scum too 100%" Shows how open minded these two are being.
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@Danielle
Lol. Your post reads so desperate. coal says the only person he hasn't FOS'd today is Zaradi and I. "Oh they must be scum together! Har har! They're active and can't wait to gloat." It's more likely that you'd just wanna end the game because scum was found so easily. This is such a novice (and bad) attempt at game psychology by the way -- it's not getting under my skin. Just making you read scummy.
If your first reaction is to swipe what I've said under the rug as a veteran of 11 years playing mafia is to assume I am being "desperate", then I don't believe this is a real reaction. This doesn't sound like something you would say as town. Dismissing what I've said for the reasons I've said would be another thing.
I'd also like to note this assessment is BS since I'm the only one who has been consistently on Ragnar. coal has delayed lynching him, prodded others and voted for others so he isn't tunneling; I am. Ergo you are looking for a BS way to link coal and I and you failed.
Backing off ragnar after what he had said was the town thing to do, there is no question or debate about it. The two people who were still hard core pushing him after his claim was you and Coal, so naturally that's a scum team forming in my mind. Mason in general may not be a big town power role in normal games, but in this game two people who can confirm themselves is pretty big. If this communication doesn't exist, it will be found out inevitably. We don't need to crack the case of "If ragnar's is lying" today, if he is it would be found out. To continue to pressure Ragnar is so purely scummy, I don't know how to view you in a town light anymore than I can Coal.
If you're a mason, claim so we can avoid mislynching Ragnar and we can put you in the town pile.
The other mason doesn't need to claim. It's a needless waste of a role. The fact we know a mason exists is already bad enough and means mafia have night kill information for the next two nights to kill off confirmed townies. Ragnars affilition shouldn't even be under investigation at the moment.
Otherwise everything about Ragnar's game play has been retarded and I have no problem lynching you today for trying to turn the tables on me when he reads so scummy. He is blaming me for telling the mafia... exactly what he said himself? None of his whining about that makes sense either. If he is town and I am scum, then as scum I would have figured out exactly what he meant because *HE* said it. So bitching about me regurgitating what he already said is similarly desperate to you trying to turn attention towards people that have been actively participating, scum hunting and not being so blatantly anti-town.
I also don't think Ragnar's been on his A game this game. I even cited examples of him as town trying harder. Considering that's been the main argument people are using to pin him though, a continued lack of it he has to realize doesn't help his case much? Maybe he is playing differently, but in the capacity of a different group. That said, as I said early, other than him outright admitting he his scum, lynching him is just a bad idea. Since you and coal are saying you would rather lynch me, let me ask you this, if I flip town after you lynch me how does that effect your read on Ragnar since you are proposing me as his scum buddy? If you don't town read him after my death than that would be fvcking convienent lol but I much suspect that to be the case if I get lynched. It doesn't actually appear you care who gets mislynched as long as someone does get mislynched. You and Coal are trying very hard not to be open minded, not just about this situation, but in general.
You're not even trying to draw attention to inactives; you're literally choosing the two most active people and have not been able to respond or discredit a single thing I posted -- instead just saying I might be scum lol. Very convenient.
Are you fvcking kidding me? I've been drawing attention to inactives the WHOLE GAME. I started pressuring you for the same reason in the beginning. And up until I just barely switched my vote, it was on Sui. I was even pinging him and oro telling them to get their butts in the game. This is ridiculous.
Please explain what you mean when you declare Ragnar a definitive mislynch. How do you KNOW he is town?
Okay where did I say that he was a definitive mislynch? I am leaning that direction but I didn't actually say that did I? Ragnars claim, combined with things another player have said, make me buy the story regardless. And if he is the roleblocker, or on a team with a roleblocker, that information will come out as more dead bodies flip in the graveyard. If ragnar lied, it will show itself. I do not see how town needs to find out if he's lying today when what he said is a death warrant for later if he is lying.
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@Danielle
Getting the mason to confirm is beyond stupid. To be clear the only two people here rejecting the idea that ragnar is a mason in the first place is still Dani and Coal. Please do not out if you are the mason or if you are not the other mason.
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And if this is a dani/coal scum team town is probably pretty screwed. I'm not sure the rest of the town is active enough to get a lynch on either of them if im lynched. I can just see coal and dani gloating their victory and talking about how easy this game will be in their scum PMs the more I'm convincing myself its true lol. If we can lynch coal today though I think we will have a chance.
Unvote vtl coal.
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Sorry for the spelling. I'm half asleep and on my phone. I'll post more this afternoon about what I've said.
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I think my town read on coal was wrong. In fact I am starting to go the direction of a coal/Dani scum team. Both seemed to have a hard time lettimg go of their ragnar mislynch and are redirecting it on to me for not helping them lol. I'm getting the vibes that coal will tale just about any mislynch he thinks he can get at this point. How do you go from "lunatic is town" to being convinced by zaradis half baked misrepresented case of "lunatic might be scum but he's not getting lynched today" to "lunatics todays lynch" the second he stops convienently following his lynch. I've been plaued a bit and should not habe bought into much of what coal has said so far and probably gave him more town credence than was due.
If I have a chance to later I will go into detail about my new theory of dani/coal. But right now it looks like coal is pretty happy with just about any mislynch he can gets his hands on. Same with Dani. And I don't get the vibe either want a no lynch today even after objectivitys death.
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@Zaradi
I mean you've had your mind made up about my affiliation from pretty early on based on purposefully misrepresenting my position. So I am not expextimg big ideas out of you pal.
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@coal
It's not all that complicated. Ragnar's claim is obviously a power role, doctor, cop, Jailkeeper, tracker, or mason.
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My reaction to ragnar's claim was perfectly normal.
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