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I’d like to pursue one more claim from a vet before we move on. My current thought is mharman for the same reasons of scum reading moozer, I know people seem to be towning him interestingly enough.
Vtl mharman
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anyways I can Unvote for now. I’d also have expected scum Whiteflame to out a bit of resistance of to claiming maybe some righteous indignation which he would be justified in. Idk how to read the easy compliance and the willingness to be voted (I mean I also played the willingness to be voted in the last game card, but I digress).
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@whiteflame
I mean the character is accurate, what he does is accurate to your claim. I’ll have to consider the wifom behind “would you claim that as scum” but I agree I feel like you are a bit of a mastermind in the fake claiming department usually so behaviorally I want to town read the claim even if strengther is a go to scum fake claim.
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Holy crap auto correct made most of that first paragraph in readable wtf
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I’m torn a bit on Whiteflames claim. His character is a bit more mysterious nor than I would have expected in a game like this, and oddly when doing research on this game his character isn’t really mentioned as being part of the escape scevem in a lot of the summary videos I watched. Even the wiki doesn’t honor of its way to mention this character. I had on my character sheet written “Viktor Reznov” as being probably one of the only characters to be likely included from the labor camp escape level, as he’s kind of Masons right hand man and organized the whole thing.
The character is accurate enough to what happened though, ultimately I don’t like the justification for strengthener, but my own role kind of is a stretch in its own justification imo so I can’t be too overly harsh on that.
Man I’m a bit torn on this claim at the moment, my current thoughts are that it’s likely fake, as strengthener is also a role that is commonly fake, and I think it’s wierd this character was included in general, but it’s not impossible that it’s legit and since it’s the only claim we’re working with so far my gut says maybe we shouldn’t push it until we have at least one more claim to judge it against. But yeah that said I’m still suspicious naturally.
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@Bullish
I mean I know lunatic is all about behaviour over roles, that's why it's sus for him to be so concerned about roles this game.
I am pushing behavior over roles, which is my whole point in saying we should be pushing for soft claims for no reason. It only benefits scum not town.
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I wanna pressure whiteflame I think.
VTL whiteflame
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Anyways the chances that scum are exactly the two people that most might consider “nooby” or easily to manipulate (banana and moozer) seems low enough to me that I’m willing to almost confidently bet that scum is likely going to be one of the many vets in this game. I’m not town passing those two completely just speaking from probablility and mod psyche mostly that I feel
Like scum is gonna be a deadly pick this time.
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Actually I just read the post where mharman is also sussing moozer, I’m gonna change my mind on that town read for now. Saw a few big posts from him and had only kind of skimmed them at the moment but now I’m a little skeptical of that read and can see that whiteflames was in part probably based off of mharman thoughts there. So that would technically make mharman the scummier of the two. Not that it exonerates whiteflame.
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Writing this all from mobile so my thoughts are a bit scattered and disorganized looking. I will say this mharman feels town to me, judging from his musings last night, I am not passing him off all together because it’s way too early for that. But I don’t initially suck read anything he’s said or done, and feel like he’s playing to his town meta convincingly enough for me to temporarily buy it at least.
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Writing this all from mobile so my thoughts are a bit scattered and disorganized looking. I will say this mharman feels town to me, judging from his musings last night, I am not passing him off all together because it’s way too early for that. But I don’t initially suck read anything he’s said or done, and feel like he’s playing to his town meta convincingly enough for me to temporarily buy it at least.
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With Wylted it’s more of his thoughts and reactions towards softing and his being willing to freely claim info of his own real, I feel like he was expecting or hoping for town confirmation, when it’s been explicitly pointed out that soft claiming in general is harmful with mafia having a whipping 4 questions. Him softing early doesn’t give me a ton clear for him either, there are obscure enough characters to claim in this theme. But I do expect mafia will want information fast and early to so they can start working on POEing out soft claims. Mafia need this information worse than town does in my opinion.
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Well I am suspicious of Whiteflame and Wylted. But too busy at the moment to really get into the ability to spend time trying to pursue them. With Whiteflame it’s that I feel like he’s trying to push the pace of this day phase in a way that’s “permissibly” scummy. I was already concerned with his initial suggestion that we should be careful claiming (said the same thing I did about the 4 questions mafia have) to then suggest a soft claim method that allows mafia a very easily identifiable way to narrrow down claims.
But the big thing I noticed in this game is that there aren’t a lot of noobs, and since “noob mislynches” are kind of the common scum strategy I was interested to see who would push one of either banana or moozer. Not that I think they are noobs still but that people might look at them as being the easier types to mislynch. ATM I do town read banana and while I don’t neccesarily town read moozer I think the argument for cussing him is pretty weak especially when moozers gameplay has been consistently the same in the past.
Whiteflame isn’t heavy pushing him, and he might try to spin me saying as he is, I am not. In fact I am aware that these scum yells are minor but you have to look closely under a microscope at these things with players like Whiteflame who are in general very good at playing the “coasting” game of going with the flow, while also encouraging non unique strategies that could result in getting town lynched but for what seems like logically sound reasons.
But the big thing I noticed in this game is that there aren’t a lot of noobs, and since “noob mislynches” are kind of the common scum strategy I was interested to see who would push one of either banana or moozer. Not that I think they are noobs still but that people might look at them as being the easier types to mislynch. ATM I do town read banana and while I don’t neccesarily town read moozer I think the argument for cussing him is pretty weak especially when moozers gameplay has been consistently the same in the past.
Whiteflame isn’t heavy pushing him, and he might try to spin me saying as he is, I am not. In fact I am aware that these scum yells are minor but you have to look closely under a microscope at these things with players like Whiteflame who are in general very good at playing the “coasting” game of going with the flow, while also encouraging non unique strategies that could result in getting town lynched but for what seems like logically sound reasons.
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DART games are very role heavy, why wouldn't mafia be leaning on them? Usually they power role hunt
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On that note “well fvck Luna you stopped activity from progressing! And your not even doing anything to further it!”
Yeah yeah. Idk man, we gotta find some ways to get activity stirred up that doesn’t revolve around soft claiming. Maybe Austin has some suggestions from playing in MU all the time lol
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Tip mafia off more than we already have*
Don’t know why tomato got auto corrected there
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Nah I’m actually cool with not getting anymore soft claims, mafia getting 4 questions, we really don’t want to narrow things down. We can get a claim from someone we seriously suspect, but with this theme I feel like all characters are very easily reaearchable and I don’t wanna tomato’s off unnecessary more than we already have. Hope that makes sense.
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@whiteflame
I don’t know how to answer that question without basically giving away my character because it’s not a simple yes or no. In fact this method of soft claiming feels extremely revealing in general. I was going to do research myself to find a better soft claim method but haven’t had the time yet, so while I’m critiquing this one I don’t have a better alternative atm
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It’s my weekend so won’t be the most active but I am doing research on the theme and watching videos on the campaign. Got a character notes document I’m working on
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Nah bullish claiming to be relieved at being town is null af lol yall be passing people off as town too easily
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I’ve played this game, but I don’t think I’ve finished it. But anyways it doesn’t seem like a hard theme to research which is why I voted for it over others.
Anyways my sleep schedule is still out of whack so I’ll be asleep for another couple of hours. Excited about this game though!
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@Barney
okay I promise I wont lynch you til dp3 even if your scum confirmed.
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@Barney
Be a homie and help us get this game started XD
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@AustinL0926
dawg this game never gonna start now lol
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@Vader
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@iamanabanana
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@That2User
@Savant
@Cerulean
We need more mods list is down to two names, and my game literally just happened lol
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@Casey_Risk
It's my fifth game, lol. Ace Attorney, US Presidential Elections, Classic Movies, ERB, and now this one. Thank you for the comp, though, I appreciate it.
Oh duh lol. I guess your a vet then
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@Casey_Risk
I also apologize to you for my neurotic rants about balance lol. Ultimately I do think it was town sided but mostly because 4 mislynches is a lot and mafia is pretty challenging in games where the majority are made to be role madness (no vanillas and a lot of confirmbale roles), Poe inevitably catches up. That said I loved the theme and the roles I do feel were balanced. We had counters to everything and the vote theif could have been very powerful just didn’t end up needing it. I liked the anti claim mechanic as well.
Game overall was great and for you being newer as a mod (3rd game right?) you balance better than a lot of mods with experience to props to you for that. Fun game and role interaction.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I caught a hint of saltiness with the unsportsmanship behavior comment. I don’t really know what to say but I am sorry you feel that way. I don’t think I was more unruly to you in this game than I have been towards others in the past (seriously I think I’ve tamed down a lot, ask pie how much of a dick head I used to be in some of these games).
Anyways if I contributed to you not wanting to play mafia I apologize, obviously most of my argument to you was scum manipulation and strategy. You were always intended to be a mislynch target, I specifically chose people on my dreamer results that I thought would be easy to frame (and obviously you being a newer player means people don’t know your meta yet, thus it would be easier to cast suspicion).
The only real argument I made to you that I think agree with as town is that you CAN lie as town but the lie has to be good and the strategy has to make sense. The risk vs reward factor of a town lie has to make some degree of sense. Some people including myself have lied as town before and it has backfired. Some people have succesfully pulled it off. For example that2user lying about Rasputin actually nearly screwed me dp1. You can ask Casey how close I was to fake claiming Rasputin. I ended up backing away from that claim because Rasputin was to close to Anastasia in the Russian history timeline and too closely related events wise.
That said if I was town I genuinely would have tried to defend you from being punched there, maybe it was just my inside knowledge but your behavior screamed “town” to me. Mafia wouldn’t bring unwanted attention to themselves by outright refusing to claim an action like that. Anyways, I genuinely feel bad for choosing you as a mislynch target now, I didn’t think it would cause you to full on quit, and I think you’d make a great member of the mafia community here if you stuck around. Maybe you could change some minds with your ideas and theories eventually. Some of us are stubborn, but the meta always changes, and it had to start somewhere.
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@WyIted
Nice job. First claim dp2
Thanks man, took a huge risk and it paid off
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Just woke up lol still recovering from the mental exhaustion from needless stress in the last day phase. Overthought everything but apparently it wasn’t even close knowing Whiteflame would have sided with us
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@whiteflame
So if pie had voted for me my last ditch effort to you would have been a “join the dark side” speech. Just curious if you would have sided with me or town in that case?
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Current Mafia:
None
Sign ups:
iLikePie5- choose your theme
In the Hopper:
Bullish - Themed semi-open
Lunatic - Theme choice
On hold
Earth - Tales of Symphonia Mafia
Mharman
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@ILikePie5
I was contemplating that you would take the risk, but to hedge that I presumed you would include banana as your scum partner in it. But oh well
I was thinking of putting ceru in the results but if the plan backfired and mharman had visited me or something I didn’t want to drag ceru with me as I’d assumed people would assume I as scum would do that
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Ngl that2user lying about Rasputin could have fucked me. I was severely close to claiming Rasputin dp1. I thought Anastasia was too close to Rasputin since pretty much all the events that happened with Anastasia occurred after his assassination, so I ended up going elsewhere. But when I read the part in the wiki about Mendeleev having a dream and finding three new elements on the periodic table I was like “how can I not claim dreamer with this”
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GGs. It probably seemed like that was easy for us but it was actually challenging number wise. Had a lot of paranoid induced rants in the scum chat. Casey is probably sick of me lol
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Vtl banana
Falling asleep I’ll try to check back if I wake up
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Okay perfect, pie you are making the correct decision. We will win this in light of our fellow townies throwing though.
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I just ask if it’s me that gets voted that no one hammer until I can defend myself. I’m drifting to sleep not sure how much longer I can stay up right now. Thought this would be handled by now since ceru was online but he just waffles and we’re waiting again.
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I’ll try to be on. I’m in and out of sleep and cerulean is taking forever.
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@ILikePie5
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@whiteflame
I think there’s a 0 sum chance scum isn’t banana/ ceru.
i think there’s logic is pretty airtight there, pie has been behaviorally town, and the only reason banana has survived this long is because our teammates this game have practically been committing suicide left and right lying about there roles in a game where towns goal is to hunt liars. My results aside even I had a decent case in both ADOL and that2 completely exclusive of the dreamer result that only had to do with them randomly lying about their role. But yeah I’m down to wait on ceru as well no reason to rush anything here but to me it seems there is a low chance of pie being scum, if I’m wrong I’ll praise him in the endgame, he fooled me well.
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Ready to vote whenever. Down to let ceru speak but it’s him or banana for me at this moment.
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@iamanabanana
What is there to have independent thoughts about? we’ve been lynching off of your results this whole time. I thought you were town, and was going based on that.
Because my results don’t guarantee scum is all three of them. You should assume at least one of the people on the results were town instead of blindly lynching all of them.
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@ILikePie5
Why do you think Cerulean claimed to visit Supa as the JK yesterday?
Idk. If she was town though my first thought is why would mafia target Vader over her? That’s the main reason I’m suspicious of her, the fact that she’s alive. Mafias only threat is a town jailkeeper and they don’t kill her? She should be dead. If she’s town it’s because she’s a mislynch target and if she’s not lying then scum would have to have a strongman. But since no one’s claimed a fruit two nights in a row we at least know the roleblocker aspect of her role is legit. But scum risking what should be an easy game on potentially getting jailkept makes no sense to me.
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@iamanabanana
Well I am town. So lunatic must be scum…. I have complied with everything town has asked from me and was honest about my role from the beginning. I hope you can trust me.
that’s the thing, simply “complying” doesn’t make you town. You’ve had no original thoughts this entire game. 0 passion, just raw dead parroting of other people on mislynches. Yeah I was on mislynches too but I had original reasoning for them and i can justify every single one. You… literally just echoed everyone else. I remember town banana having independent thoughts of her own….
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