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@Greyparrot
Sounds like you just admitted you don't care about winning. If you did you would try to actually convince the town.
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@Greyparrot
If you wanna lynch me your gonna have to actually try. Just saying I am scum and not backing it up is not gonna get you anywhere. Until you can back up anything you say you are literally useless to the game and throwing away your vote. If you wanna lynch me make a convincing case. Not this tunnel visioned bullshit.
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Since you are scum, it's no surprise you are going to conveniently forget the fuckup that was the lynching of drafter
You would have fucked up if you lynched me too, but since it was your decision I'm sure you would defend it lol. Your pathetic.
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@Greyparrot
This is the most silly horse shit thing ever. Your playing a game now. Bring it up now or admit you got nothing.I'll bring it up in the end game. I don't see much chance reasoning with you after your performance last DP and this DP.
You and wylted both are guilty of this endgame finality crap. I don't care if you wanna convince yourself of absolutes, but if you are town you simply do not know with 100% finality who town or mafia is. If your wrong then what, your just gonna say well it was his fault for playing like shit? Meanwhile you don't bother trying to actually argue your point, you just mindlessly state your read? This game is more about pride for some of you then it is about scum hunting and winning and its freaking ridiculous.
You don't take the game seriously. Why do you play? What do you get out of it? Ever since I've known you, you've played lazy as shit. You don't seem to care less about winning or losing. Your seriously just a placeholder on the player list, you being in a game doesn't effect or influence anything that happens.
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@Greyparrot
I never said I had poor town play lol. You are the epitome of poor play. I have demonstrated this over and over again.
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@Greyparrot
You live up to your name. You about meaningless statements over and over like a parrot.
"Double bus"
Sqwuaaakkk
"Double bus"
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@Greyparrot
@warren42
@A-R-O-S-E
@airmax1227
That day and time work for you guys?
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@oromagi
@Speedrace
Who are your top scum reads right now and why?
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@airmax1227
I'm saying you are wasting your time (the comment was tongue in cheek, don't read into it too much)... I'm already the #2... let's play this out... You get lynched you flip inno... I'm the auto #2 target already... You seem to be assuming that this is some sort of gambit to get town cred, but I'm already assuming I'm the next best target for DP4... All my chips have to be on the table right now
Why do you think your automatically the auto #2 lynch target? While that's certainly what I was hoping to achieve if I was lynched, besides speed race, I don't think I've seen a ton of other opinions in favor of opinion. And even speedrace seems to have changed his mind.
It's partially true that it's self preservation cuz once you are gone, I seem to be the next wagon... but I'd be happy to be lynched right now if town then went after scum the next DP (whom I'm starting to have a better sense of - and will post more about tomorrow)
over 50 hours left, I am in no rush. I'll await your case, and potentially others.
Unvote.
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I okay with considering other options. If you can get a case going on someone else and it is convincing enough, who knows maybe I will bite. Honestly have a hard time wrapping my head around certain options. AROSE I could potentially get behind, because I can't think of an excuse for his (in my opinion) bad behavior all game. He hasn't really provided much of any analysis behind any of his votes, and flip flopped hard all day on the drafter/me wagon as if there weren't other choices. Didn't explain his read til today. The only excuse I am kind of giving him is that he did something pretty ballsy that most town would consider stupid in dark crystal mafia, when he fake claimed as town to get drafter lynched. While he was conveniently right, if drafter didn't full claim and screw himself right after, town's would have potentially got their biggest power role mis-lynched over a failed gambit. That said, I can't deny his behavior in general has been vastly different from that game to this game. He definitely seemed to care about accurately finding scum more than he has this game. That was my reason for pushing him DP1, and that hasn't necessarily changed a lot. You could also maybe make a convincing case for greyparrot. Problem is (insult incoming) I don't necessarily know if grey parrot would be willing or devious enough to night kill wylted since they were buddy/buddy last dp just to cast WIFOM on me.I'm not gona get sucked into a Lunatic versus Airmax dynamic... this is how the town will lose. Lunatic is pushing me as scum, while I'm genuinely trying to get us to focus elsewhere in the meantime. Yes we can lynch Lunatic at the end if we have no other option, but no further case is going to be made more convincing against him as far as I can tell, so we really don't have to focus much there for awhile until the end of the DP if we really can't discover a better option. Let's not get tunneled on this if we can avoid it.
I'm a bit concerned with how quickly Speed was on and then off my wagon... I also don't understand why he reads Lunatic as town (Yes I realize I do, but I feel I'm out on my own limb on that one)
I don't see speed that scummy. The fact that he left your wagon is part of the reason I town him. He could have easily bandwagoned the strong 3 player wagon on me last DP and easily got away with it. I think the only reason I am alive is because of speed. He could have wagoned that so easily and gotten away with it. He's one of the few players not tunnel visioned in a group of players that for some reason supports tunnel vision over careful deliberation. The only scummy reason I can think of for him to take my side last phase, was potentially because he knew drafter would be a problem later on and a hard lynch (which is true), and knew that letting drafter get lynched innocent I would naturally also be lynched. That is a pretty far stretch though. If you wanna talk about a player who is quickly on and off wagons, look into AROSE from last DP, he was by far much worse.
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As far as treading carefully, the threat doesn't make much sense. I am pushing the logic that when I die that people should be hesitant to grant your town read on me as town cred. Are you threatening my already likely death with an OMGUS read?There's no point at which I said we "Should" be lynching you. In fact, I am saying the opposite of that. I'm really confused at the motivation of this (aside from putting the suspicion on me instead of you, which I get - but I'm the only true believer in your cause at the moment, so I'd tread carefully)...
If you are assuming that I'm saying we should be lynching you, are you saying that I'm scummy for not pushing your lynch? What is even the point of what you just said?
Precisely. I know you to be conservative, but I do question your motives. Your town read on me seems based on convenience and self preservation, thus manufactured.
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@Greyparrot
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@A-R-O-S-E
I get that because I have been wrong several times in the game I look bad. I don't think the same way as a lot of you do. If anything I think town are wrong all the time. The current pool of players has a vastly different playstyle then the old DDO players. Sometimes you get it wrong in the early phases and come around in the end. I've been in enough games where I've pulled out wins late game after being wrong early many times. The players of old DDO are much more like me in most cases, where they pick a read and make a case similar to how I have. There was usually several different cases made by multiple players in a day phase. In order to pull of a lynch it took a lot more deliberation and people having to meet in the middle to pull of the best lynch.The difference is this player base seems to just wagon a lot more and I have actually been one of the only people making a case. So it's easy to just say "He was wrong a couple of times that means he is scum". Town are wrong all the time. No one is a super detective who gets everything right, it's just easier to look at it that way when one player makes up 60% of the games activity.
Anyways, I'm fully aware that I am the day's likeliest lynch based on this perception, but if I die I am just asking you to take my reads with a grain of salt. Also seriously analyze Airmax's reason for town reading me, given he is alternatively trying to sell you that he buys into the "Lunatic is scummy because he was wrong several times" logic. Max doesn't buy that, he's an old school player, and yes while he is objective, if he thought I was scummy he wouldn't dismiss me as town so easily. I see his read as heavily manufactured. I've put the spotlight on him this DP, and it will look really good for him to have town read me in the next day phase when I flip town. Similar to how he probably thought it would look good for him to town read drafter last day phase, even in his vote sentencing him to death....
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@airmax1227
Can you say what specifically was poor about my play? Just saying I was wrong about drafter and didn't participate on a scum lynch isn't scummy by itself. Assuming I am town I wouldn't know the affiliations of either of those idividuals. All I have is the logic I used about behavior, and so far no one has tried to prove that wrong. Town can be wrong but for the right reasons.while Lunatic is definitely scummy, I don't see this as his scum play, but as his poor town play...
Point behind all of this is that you actually read me town even though to you I am behaving scummy... It seems to me that if I get lynched and flip innocent you want to give yourself some town cred for strongly considering the possibility I was town. The read on me seems manufactured my friend.
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@airmax1227
What is it that you actually town read me for? I guess I am missing it. If you think you "should" be lynching me because I didn't participate on the SA lynch that you participated on for the wrong reasons and were conveniently right about or that I barely won out on a lynch on drafter that my hand was pretty forced on because of people sheeping (AROSE, wylted, greyparrot). If you "should" be on me why aren't you?I'm not going to OMGUS you, but the arguments Lunatic have made so far in this game have all been wrong... DP1 he tried to sway the lynch away from SA... he, like I, missed DP2... And in DP3 he built the wagon on Drafter... Now, traditionally I might be saying that we should lynch him for this, but I'm not. Again I am not saying we should lynch lunatic. Instead what I am saying is that we shouldn't buy anything he says in regards to whom we should lynch. So I implore you to reconsider listening to him about FOSing me now.
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@Greyparrot
I've destroyed this argument so many times, that it's pretty annoying your still convincing yourself of this garbage.Easy. He somehow convinced town that Drafter was scum for lynching 2 scum. You do NOT have to overanalyze this. Just eliminate Luna, call it POE call it whatever, just do it.
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@Speedrace
Honestly I didn't really think of it til later on. Early on I dismissed Airmax as town because of the result until I thought about it more.This is a really good point...I wish you had said this last DP
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@A-R-O-S-E
Max is confirmed because he has an early claim? Informed minority... Mafia has a better handle on what the theme dinstinction is then town, thus are more likely able to garner an early claim. My profile picture has been set to Andy from the before dp1 was posted. Use the waybackmachine if you don't believe me.
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@A-R-O-S-E
Post 6 contains my current reads. I can delve into them further if you'd like. They are never going to be consistent in constantly changing them.
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Put max at L-1 guys. Look at the rest of the claims... His doesn't fit in. It's too "on the nose".
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If you didn't want to get lynched, you shouldn't have convinced the noobies that double bus PLUS making a case for 2 scum lynches means you are scum.
I spent a good deal of time showing that drafter only bussed because he HAD to because supa scum slipped. He even cast doubt on the supa lynch...
And fuck the rest of the town that bought that garbage justification for lynching Drafter.
To be fair, AROSE didn't put a whole lot into his vote, and airmax claimed he voted him even knowing he would flip town. This is a very lazy player base.
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@A-R-O-S-E
If you want to vote me, at least make a proper case... Using WIFOM to say that I am WIFOMing isn't going to get us anywhere...
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@A-R-O-S-E
You'd choose a player that looks like a scummy kill because of reverse psychology. Your strategy here isn't complex enough and I see right through it.
Then me calling out that strategy makes it reverse reverse psychology. Regardless the strategy makes 0 sense as scum. Straight up night killing everyone who suspects me doesnt make me look good in any light. Which is why it makes more sense that someone is setting me up for a ML.
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@A-R-O-S-E
VTL LunaticUntil further noticeThis first thing he decideds to pop off with is how Wly was NKd to make him seem guilty
Yeah cause as mafia, I'm gonna choose a kill to make look myself scummy, then go directly tell the town about it defeating the purpose lol.
*eye roll*
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post 211 DP1 drafter said he had no justification, mis-remembered.
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@ILikePie5
Im off all day, so whatever works best with you guys
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Greyparrot also claimed his role had a link in DP1, but so did drafter if I remember correctly, so I think a little self interpretation could have been done. Regardless, it seems Warren worried more about balancing the game the way he wanted to then trying make sense of every characters roles (I design my games very similar).
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Seriously analyze these role PM's guys.
ROLES WITH LINKS THAT MAKE SENSE
You are Lonnie, one of the familiar faces around the warehouse. You never really get developed much, which means people often forget about you. You can do your work in the background. You are the ninja. If you carry out the night kill it will be unable to be tracked or watched. You win with the Mafia.
ROLES WITH NONSENSICAL LINKS
You are Creed Bratton, the batshit crazy resident criminal. Nobody really knows much about you. Are you even actually Creed Bratton? At one point you implied that you might have killed the real Creed and stolen his identity. As such, you are the one-shot vigilante. On any one night, you can shoot another player. You win with the town.
You are Darryl, the head of the warehouse. You have the final say on what goes on in the warehouse. As such, you’re the roleblocker. Each night you can select a player. If they have a night action, it will fail.
You are Kevin Malone, the dumb but funny accountant. You are vanilla; you can contribute to the game with your voice and your vote. You win with the town.
You are Phyllis Lapin, the friendly saleswoman. You are vanilla; you can contribute to the game with your voice and your vote. You win with the town.
You are Michael Scott, the incompetent Regional Manager of Dunder Mifflin Scranton. You spend the majority of your day paying attention to what others are doing instead of what you’re doing. As such, you are the tracker. Each night you can target someone and learn who they visited (if anyone). You win with the town.
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My role is also the same as the other vanillas, I have been claiming that since DP1 when we had the initial talk about whether characters had a link with their role PM.
Airmax's role is a little "on the nose" don't you think? Michael literally hates toby, and airmax is a hated townie. The only other role we've seen so far that the link made sense was a mafia aligned role.
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So I know this can be spun as extreme WIFOM, but if I was scum I wouldn't kill wylted... That's the last thing I would do, given he was pressuring me hard all day phase. That night kill was done purely to make me look scummy. Wylted himself was making that callout last DP (which was stupid for exactly this reason). I am clearly being set up as the mis-lynch today lol. The only person I see making that argument is GP though, so we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
So today, let's hear the cop results. I want to hear thoughts on AROSE and airmax. AROSE flip flopped his vote all day yesterday, clearly not concerned whether either of us were lynched. I'll defend my read on drafter all day, I had a behaviorally read on him but was willing to look at other options. He wasn't. That seemed way too hypocritical from drafter considering the argument we had in 5D's where he lectured me for the exact same thing. Drafter should have been willing to consider other options. The reasons I am suspicious of airmax, is because his character claim seems largely different then the rest of ours. Also, water was killed almost as soon as he was copped innocent, and airmax wasn't... I think airmax is godfather. Cop doesn't need to be killed because he'll never get a guilty result again, making the role essentially a vanilla at this point. He's not a threat. Also with wylted being Michael, I find airmax's claim much scummier. First off his character is Michael's worst enemy. Second Max's character is the only other character thats not under michael, and is actually in the HR department.
Also is it just me or does Max's character fit in a little too good for his role, compared to the rest of the town characters? Michael's flip shows a pretty flimsy link to him being tracker. Same seems true with all the vanilla roles and the vig. That Max's role seems to fit his character so well makes me think it is a fake claim. Lastly airmax lurked the entire DP. He made like 3 unhelpful posts. At first I thought he was just busy or inactive, but it seems he actually was in touch with the game, but is playing more passively out of convenience.
Top scum read is airmax. Sorry buddy. AROSE is scummy too, but I'm a little more willing to write him off as lazy/ bad play given he almost severely screwed town in DP1 of dark crystal by fake claiming as town. I can see mafia maybe getting cop as a fake claim, meaning press could be scum, but I am dis-inclined to believe that as much given water was killed after being copped innocent.
Oro and Speed seem town. Oro was the one who caught on to the Supa slip, and speed has probably been the most conservative town player in the game; one of the only ones actually trying to scum hunt and being willing to deliberate his options.
Grey is null leaning town. He is a parrot, and doesn't justify his opinions very well, but even if his opinions are misguided he does seem to following his gut. IDK I could switch on this one.
Let's hear these results, but I want to test max's hated claim.
VTL airmax.
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I dont even know what to say. I dont see how I'm scum. Theres barely been anything on me. Arose is clearly just tired of waiting and on the most convienent lynch.
Hopefully you guys dont hammer. I doubt it.
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Yeah dont buy wylteds unsupported bullshit. I think even he knows I'm town but doesnt wanna look like an idiot and admit hes wrong.
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@oromagi
Drafter was saying max was town. I asked him why he thought he was town. He said because he was copped into. I sarcastically asked him if he knew what a godfather does.
Context matters.
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@oromagi
I'm not pretending to not know what a godfather is. I was making a point.
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@drafterman
Did you, or did you not say I was trying to portray you as the ONLY one wrong?
Why not press others on the wagon then? Oh right, because of OMGUS.
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@drafterman
If you actually had a point about anything and could defend it beyond one post... jesusOkay, RM.
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@drafterman
unsubstantiated claims. Everything. All of it. Garbage.
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